Harby to Denver.

[RiverDog]

It you look at the overall body of work he’s the bridesmaid coach , never the bride . And the attitude is baggage . He’s annoying . Who wants to pay some smart ass 10 million to go close but no cigar.

You're preaching to the choir, bro. As I mentioned to Obi, Hairball walked into a stacked deck in Frisco as they had a number of top draft choices, then after just 4 seasons, they were out of the playoffs and on their way to 4 horrible seasons after he ditched them. He may be a good coach, but when you break it down, his record isn't that impressive. Plus, he's a jerk, and sure to get into a spat with management over something silly, like he is now in Michigan, refusing to cooperate in such trivial NCAA violations.

In other news regarding the Donkeys stupid money Greg Penner decided he didn’t like the condition of the field after the season , HS football etc . So he ordered the field in Denver to be sliced off and re grassed with sod prior to the final game of the season for his 4 win team . Cost was 400K. It will need done again before next season .
In the words of the great Drew Carey “ that’s stupid money “

As a turf manager I shake my head at these stadium fields anyway but it demonstrated money is absolutely no
Object . They will buy Payton . Buyer beware imo but they will .

I saw that, too. I also saw that the Broncos are prepared to throw a ton of money at their coaching position, whether it be Payton or Hairball, who seem to be their top two preferences.

[NorthHawk]

They are also interviewing Dan Quinn who was an apparent finalist last year before they took a chance on Hackett.

[Hawktawk]

Harbaugh not looking too good after TCU got beat 65-7 after beating Michigan . Social media being very unkind to Hairball this evening . Like I say where’s the beef ? What has this guy accomplished to make him worth 10 million a year ?

[obiken]

Harbaugh not looking too good after TCU got beat 65-7 after beating Michigan . Social media being very unkind to Hairball this evening . Like I say where’s the beef ? What has this guy accomplished to make him worth 10 million a year ?

HT comparative scoring doesnt work and you know that. We got beat by 46 in the first game by GA, and OR turned out to be a good not great team. KY and Missouri came within 10, they were average at best. Harby beat Ohio state 2 times in row, thats all that counts in his little world. I think he is better off staying at Mich.

[Hawktawk]

65 -7 . It matters .

[RiverDog]

Harbaugh not looking too good after TCU got beat 65-7 after beating Michigan . Social media being very unkind to Hairball this evening . Like I say where’s the beef ? What has this guy accomplished to make him worth 10 million a year ?

HT comparative scoring doesnt work and you know that. We got beat by 46 in the first game by GA, and OR turned out to be a good not great team. KY and Missouri came within 10, they were average at best. Harby beat Ohio state 2 times in row, thats all that counts in his little world. I think he is better off staying at Mich.

Oregon turned out to be good? They were 3rd in a very weak Pac 12 and barely won their bowl game over an unranked opponent. I guess if you compare them to the teams out here, you could call them good, but they couldn't hold a candle to any of those teams back east.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

And Michigan beat the Ohio State team that went shot for shot with UGA handily. No telling how Michigan would have done against UGA. Harbaugh has that program on track with an up and coming QB. Don't know if this investigation stuff makes him leave, but he's got plenty of reason to stay where he is to try and make another run.

[RiverDog]

And Michigan beat the Ohio State team that went shot for shot with UGA handily. No telling how Michigan would have done against UGA. Harbaugh has that program on track with an up and coming QB. Don't know if this investigation stuff makes him leave, but he's got plenty of reason to stay where he is to try and make another run.

Hairball has been making cryptic, lawyer/politician-like statements about his future, like he 'expects' to remain as the coach at Michigan, so my guess is that he's gone.

[NorthHawk]

According to PFT, Harbaugh had a virtual meeting with Denver on Monday.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

And Michigan beat the Ohio State team that went shot for shot with UGA handily. No telling how Michigan would have done against UGA. Harbaugh has that program on track with an up and coming QB. Don't know if this investigation stuff makes him leave, but he's got plenty of reason to stay where he is to try and make another run.

Hairball has been making cryptic, lawyer/politician-like statements about his future, like he 'expects' to remain as the coach at Michigan, so my guess is that he's gone.

That's so crazy to me that he'd bail on them given what's got going there at Michigan to go and try and save the Broncos. It doesn't make sense to me, but I'll now not be surprised if it goes down.

[RiverDog]

And Michigan beat the Ohio State team that went shot for shot with UGA handily. No telling how Michigan would have done against UGA. Harbaugh has that program on track with an up and coming QB. Don't know if this investigation stuff makes him leave, but he's got plenty of reason to stay where he is to try and make another run.

Hairball has been making cryptic, lawyer/politician-like statements about his future, like he 'expects' to remain as the coach at Michigan, so my guess is that he's gone.

That's so crazy to me that he'd bail on them given what's got going there at Michigan to go and try and save the Broncos. It doesn't make sense to me, but I'll now not be surprised if it goes down.

I still don't think he's going to Denver. I'll believe it when I see it.

[obiken]

Yeah Rivs right JH is being interviewed along with Peyton.

[obiken]

Hairball is a way better fit than SP and Denver doesnt have the DChoices to compensate the Broncos. I think if SM leaves the Rams, Peyton would be a way better fit for LA. HT, SP is a great coach, yeah he got screwed on the bounty-gate thing, and he was hosed in the title game. They never had the Draft spot to get a killer player. SP is a much more offensive expert than Pete will ever be.

[mykc14]

I still don't think he's going to Denver. I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't either. The only way I see it happening is if he is given an offer he can't refuse or there is much more to the investigation than we have heard.

[c_hawkbob]

I think Hairball to the Donkeys is at least 50/50 myself.

[Agent 86]

It's official. Harbaugh is staying at Michigan.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/16/jim-harbaugh-my-heart-is-at-michigan/

[RiverDog]

It sounds like he was just using his flirtation with the NFL as leverage to pry some more money out of U of M. Too bad, I was hoping he would have gone to the Cards so we could have an A-hole in the division to root against.

[Hawktawk]

Read comments from the well respected Mike Sando who says the Denver search is complicated because executives and coaches around the league see Russel as “ washed “ .

I actually saw a report that Rosenberg the old ST coach might still have a shot . Of course mike isn’t always right but what a humiliating development if name guys are avoiding the job because of Russ .

[RiverDog]

Word now is that if Payton doesn't take the Denver job, that the next likely candidate is Dan Quinn, now the DC for the Cowboys. Payton is also interviewing with the Cards.

[Hawktawk]

Word now is that if Payton doesn't take the Denver job, that the next likely candidate is Dan Quinn, now the DC for the Cowboys. Payton is also interviewing with the Cards.

And just read tonight that Payton’s job search isn’t going as well as he planned with a 20 million a year asking price and a high first round pick to the saints . As I’ve said where’s the beef ? Guy won 1 14 years ago and never went back . Pete is crucified for not getting back in 7 years after back to back appearances and fans want to throw him away , lure Payton . Let’s see if someone wants to buy the well used car from the used car salesman who is Sean Payton .

[RiverDog]

Word now is that if Payton doesn't take the Denver job, that the next likely candidate is Dan Quinn, now the DC for the Cowboys. Payton is also interviewing with the Cards.

And just read tonight that Payton’s job search isn’t going as well as he planned with a 20 million a year asking price and a high first round pick to the saints . As I’ve said where’s the beef ? Guy won 1 14 years ago and never went back . Pete is crucified for not getting back in 7 years after back to back appearances and fans want to throw him away , lure Payton . Let’s see if someone wants to buy the well used car from the used car salesman who is Sean Payton .

You get a Pinocchio for your "fans want to throw Pete away" remark. No one has been calling for his head, at least not in this forum.

But outside of that, I at least partially agree with you, that Payton is not that strong of a HC candidate. However, he's undeniably the best one available at this time. You have to compare his resume against other candidates that are or were available, like Dan Quinn, Jim Hairball, and so on. Pete isn't looking for a job.

[Hawktawk]

Pete 10 playoff appearances in 13 years . 2 super bowl trips and a Lombardi . 1 season with Hass and Whitehurst . 1 with TJack . 10 with Russ and 9-8 playoffs with Geno with huge roster turnover . Issues on defense . Run game , horrible injury issues .

Peyton 9 playoff teams in 15 years , 14 of which he had drew Brees . 5 years staying home with Brees.
1 Lombardi in 1 trip . When Brees retired he went 8-9 using 3 QBs with the #3 scoring defense and quit .
Not a Pete vs Payton necessarily but an eye opening comparison .
I will quibble a bit on nobody’s talking about removing Pete . True enough but a lot of crud is being talked about him on the forum. The more I look around the more I can appreciate a guy who can’t draft or acquire free agents who still wins more than most .

[NorthHawk]

Payton to sign with the Donkeys.

[Agent 86]

Payton to sign with the Donkeys.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35564875/sources-broncos-finalizing-deal-saints-sean-payton

[tarlhawk]

Best of luck to something that no longer has any impact on our future. Denver must "squander" a few more resources that are already under Cap Jail". The Saints are still strapped from Cap constraints...while the Bronco's are already there. Sean must have been offered many assurances to want to "rescue" a team from the mire of financial quicksand and player discord.

[RiverDog]

They're giving up a first round pick, #29 overall, the one they received from Miami (originally the Niners) that they got when they traded away Bradley Chubb, plus they're giving up their 2024 2nd round pick in exchange for the Saints' 2024 3rd rounder. Their first pick in the 2023 draft won't be until the 3rd round, the #67 overall.

In other words, as it stands now, we'll have 4 selections in this draft before the Donkeys get to select their first player.

I'm very surprised that Payton would take that job given how little room he has to mold the team into his shape. Good luck!

[Aseahawkfan]

Russell's dream coach has been signed. If anyone can get Russ back to form, Payton can. The guy knows offense very well.

Good for Russ. Be nice to see Payton do for Russ what he did for Brees.

[RiverDog]

Russell's dream coach has been signed. If anyone can get Russ back to form, Payton can. The guy knows offense very well.

Good for Russ. Be nice to see Payton do for Russ what he did for Brees.

Brees-Wilson isn't a real good comparison. Brees was already performing at a high level when he and Payton united in the Big Easy. Russell's skill set has been diminishing for some time and he just posted what was by far his worst statistical season of his career. I do think that Russell can make a significant improvement from what he did this season, but it's going to take more than just a good offensive mind as his head coach.

Now that we don't have draft capital associated with the Broncos' performance, I honestly don't care one way or another if Russell and the Broncos get it turned around or not.

[Aseahawkfan]

Brees-Wilson isn't a real good comparison. Brees was already performing at a high level when he and Payton united in the Big Easy. Russell's skill set has been diminishing for some time and he just posted what was by far his worst statistical season of his career. I do think that Russell can make a significant improvement from what he did this season, but it's going to take more than just a good offensive mind as his head coach.

Now that we don't have draft capital associated with the Broncos' performance, I honestly don't care one way or another if Russell and the Broncos get it turned around or not.

Brees was a lot younger. Russell had his best season in 2020. Then was injured in 2021 and was starting to get back to form near the end of 2021. The aberration is Denver under Hackett. Brees was a QB that suffered a severe injury that San Diego had written off before Payton revived his career.

I don't know that it will take more than a good offensive mind. I think Hackett was a terrible coach. He didn't know how to adapt his offense to his players. His play calling was stale and easy to read. I think Payton will create a far more dynamic offense tailored to what Russ does well. He won't tolerate any of the disorder Hackett tolerated.

It would not surprise me at all to see Russ have some of his best years with Payton.

[RiverDog]

I just saw this factoid. In the past two years, here's what the Broncos have traded:

3 first rounders
3 second rounders
2 fifth rounders
Drew Lock
Noah Fant
Shelby Harris
Bradley Chubb

For

Sean Payton
Russell Wilson
Chase Edmonds
2 fourth rounders

Of course, they've made other moves, like trading Bradley Chubb for a first rounder, but it is an interesting comparison.

[RiverDog]

Brees-Wilson isn't a real good comparison. Brees was already performing at a high level when he and Payton united in the Big Easy. Russell's skill set has been diminishing for some time and he just posted what was by far his worst statistical season of his career. I do think that Russell can make a significant improvement from what he did this season, but it's going to take more than just a good offensive mind as his head coach.

Now that we don't have draft capital associated with the Broncos' performance, I honestly don't care one way or another if Russell and the Broncos get it turned around or not.

Brees was a lot younger. Russell had his best season in 2020. Then was injured in 2021 and was starting to get back to form near the end of 2021. The aberration is Denver under Hackett. Brees was a QB that suffered a severe injury that San Diego had written off before Payton revived his career.

I don't know that it will take more than a good offensive mind. I think Hackett was a terrible coach. He didn't know how to adapt his offense to his players. His play calling was stale and easy to read. I think Payton will create a far more dynamic offense tailored to what Russ does well. He won't tolerate any of the disorder Hackett tolerated.

It would not surprise me at all to see Russ have some of his best years with Payton.

Brees was 27 and had played 5 seasons when he started playing for the Saints, Russell is 34, so yeah, there's a bit of an age difference, but I wouldn't call it 'a lot.' They were/are both experienced veterans that had already played at a high level prior to Payton linking up with them. I'm not going to say that I'd be surprised if things get turned around for Russell and the Broncos, but I wouldn't bet on it, either.

It will be interesting to see how this all works out.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'll keep an eye on Russ in Denver. I'd still like to see him playing good ball again. League is better with more good QBs fighting it out. The AFC West is more fun with more good QBs going at each other.

[RiverDog]

I'll keep an eye on Russ in Denver. I'd still like to see him playing good ball again. League is better with more good QBs fighting it out. The AFC West is more fun with more good QBs going at each other.

I understand your affection for a former Seahawk, but I don't share the same attachment as you do so it's more of a curiosity thing with me. I'm sure that Hawktawk will be poking needles into his Russell Wilson voodoo doll, though.

As far as needing a division with a bunch of quarterbacks slinging the ball around to make it more fun, I don't like watching really high scoring games and appreciate good defenses like the Niners had. The relatively low scoring conference championship games this past weekend were very entertaining IMO.

[obiken]

I understand your affection for a former Seahawk, but I don't share the same attachment as you do so it's more of a curiosity thing with me. I'm sure that Hawktawk will be poking needles into his Russell Wilson voodoo doll, though.

As far as needing a division with a bunch of quarterbacks slinging the ball around to make it more fun, I don't like watching really high scoring games and appreciate good defenses like the Niners had. The relatively low scoring conference championship games this past weekend were very entertaining IMO.

I am with ASHF on this one, I just dont think Russ is all washed up. We will see now with Sean Payton. I am shocked Payton took the job and the cost to get him was ridiculous! Hawk Talk wants to re-write history River, and make RW irrelevant. Russ was a game manager who did not turn over the ball, ran around to find open guys, and had a great, accurate deep ball. RW was a certain HOFamer except for a bad call by our former OC. RW is going to have to run though if the lane is open. Denver has some really good pieces, IF they can stay healthy. As the Zen Master would say, we'll see.

[Aseahawkfan]

I understand your affection for a former Seahawk, but I don't share the same attachment as you do so it's more of a curiosity thing with me. I'm sure that Hawktawk will be poking needles into his Russell Wilson voodoo doll, though.

As far as needing a division with a bunch of quarterbacks slinging the ball around to make it more fun, I don't like watching really high scoring games and appreciate good defenses like the Niners had. The relatively low scoring conference championship games this past weekend were very entertaining IMO.

I love my defense as you know. I do got love for Russ. I like the dude. I like people that are positive like Russ, always looking for the better day or how to improve. And that invest time in their community and doing well. All that football gossip is just rubbish to me, sour grapes and the media looking to mill news to keep up with the 24 hour cycle and to make a boring, decent human being seem somehow interesting and flawed.

Russ just keeps doing his business through the good and bad, never really complaining. He tries to live the life he wants to live while dreaming big.

I never minded it. It's much better than having to worry about a guy punching his girlfriend, killing someone while drunk, murdering someone, or acting stupid and selfishly with their money and time. If all you can find on Russ is he's corny and his teammates have problem with his obsessively positive behavior, then I'll take that over all the much worse crap I've seen from the NFL.

[RiverDog]

I love my defense as you know. I do got love for Russ. I like the dude. I like people that are positive like Russ, always looking for the better day or how to improve. And that invest time in their community and doing well. All that football gossip is just rubbish to me, sour grapes and the media looking to mill news to keep up with the 24 hour cycle and to make a boring, decent human being seem somehow interesting and flawed.

Russ just keeps doing his business through the good and bad, never really complaining. He tries to live the life he wants to live while dreaming big.

I never minded it. It's much better than having to worry about a guy punching his girlfriend, killing someone while drunk, murdering someone, or acting stupid and selfishly with their money and time. If all you can find on Russ is he's corny and his teammates have problem with his obsessively positive behavior, then I'll take that over all the much worse crap I've seen from the NFL.

As far as I know, Russell Wilson is a decent, law-abiding citizen. You could easily adapt a worse person as your favorite player, and I do admire Russ for a lot of his qualities that he appears to have. However, I just have this thing about not holding professional athletes, politicians, musicians, actors/actresses, et al in higher regard than I would the random guy I might sit down next to at a bar. All I know about Russell is what I see in the media. The guy I sit down next to in a bar I know a little better because I can look him in the eye.

[Aseahawkfan]

As far as I know, Russell Wilson is a decent, law-abiding citizen. You could easily adapt a worse person as your favorite player, and I do admire Russ for a lot of his qualities that he appears to have. However, I just have this thing about not holding professional athletes, politicians, musicians, actors/actresses, et al in higher regard than I would the random guy I might sit down next to at a bar. All I know about Russell is what I see in the media. The guy I sit down next to in a bar I know a little better because I can look him in the eye.

I don't really have a favorite player currently to be honest with you, only favorite teams. Seahawks and Mariners are my teams.

About the only player I followed was Michael Jordan. He is clearly my favorite basketball player. I'm a Jordan fanatic for certain. I would say he was the best basketball player I ever watched play. It didn't have much to do with his decent nature. He was the most intensely competitive and driven player I've ever seen that had the ability and health to elevate to a level of play that I could call nearly unstoppable. Jordan changed the game of basketball forever. Before Jordan a lot of teams were center/power forward driven teams, the era of the big men dating back to Russell versus Chamberlain and continuing on. Jordan came in the league and he was so utterly unbelievable that he could compete with big men and power forwards as a guard. He never let up on either side of the ball. I can never enjoy basketball again after Jordan retired. I'm glad there is no player that good in the NFL or baseball to make me want to stop watching after they retire because no one feels worth watching any more. I used to love watching basketball because I loved playing basketball. I really enjoyed the Lakers versus Celtics in the 80s and the Sonics were pretty good at times in Seattle as well. But Jordan ruined by love of basketball because no one in my opinion will ever be that good in the NBA again and I consider Lebron James not on par with him. More a player reaching his accolades from being great, but also from time in like Karl Malone. He couldn't even threepeat once and had to go to Miami to win his first championship and he wasn't necessarily the best player on that Miami team. When I see him he does not pass the eye test of being comparable to Jordan. Neither was Kobe who needed Shaq to threepeat even once.

This is what it takes to be my favorite player. You must be so good that when I watch you play, I am in awe. And you must do this consistently for years. Only Jordan has done this for me.

Even as much as I call Tom Brady the GOAT QB, he doesn't awe me with his play. I'm still not sure how he became what he is. Some combination of ability, drive, clutch play, health, luck, good coaching, etc. But he's not an awe-inspiring QB like Michael Jordan was an NBA player.

Russell I like. He's a former Seahawk, a good guy, and other than the last few years, an upper tier QB that plays some exciting football. I don't buy jerseys, so I'd never wear his jersey. I don't like wearing sports paraphernalia. Sure, I'd like to see him return to form. I get you. I don't like elevating athletes either. I do respect people who make extra effort to lead quality lives and excel in hard professions. It takes a lot of work and dedication and discipline to reach the professional sports level.

[Hawktawk]

I didn't see this coming then I did. If there was an organization with the financial resources and naivete it was Denver and they just keep proving it . They met his demands reported to be in the range of 17-20 per and gave up draft capital they didn't have to give.Reports had them flailing in the wind and payton worried about a power struggle. George Paton had made clear he valued draft capital at this point. He has officially become a wallflower.
So I look at Paytons record in his 16 years in NO 15 of which he had first rounder hall of fame Drew Brees in his absolute prime. 16 of the years he was in historically weak division

10-6 lost NFC championship coach of the year
7-9
8-8 Brees OPOY
13-3 lombardi. Beat injured Favre in the NFC title game who claimed after that he felt they were deliberately trying to injure him. He still could have made the first down hopping on one leg instead of throwing the ball .
Onsides at half was ballsiest call I ever saw.
11-5 BEAST QUAKE still the only playoff game ive seen live
13-3 lost in divisional Drew Brees OPOY
SUSPENDED A YEAR FOR A BOUNTY POOL ENCOURAGING PLAYERS TO INJURE OPPOSING PLAYERS.
7-9
11-5 lost divisional
7-9
7-9
7-9
11-5 lost divisional Alvin Kamura OROY Marshon Lattimore DROY
13-3 lost NFC title game to the rams on the worst no call in championship history. A bit of sympathy there
13-3 lost at home to Kirk Cousins in WC Michael Thomas OPOY
12-4 Beat bears and Mitch Trash Bisky in WC and lost to 55 year old Tom Brady in the divisional
9-8 last year with the #3 scoring defense playing 3 quarterbacks and quit on his team and the organization

Good luck denver.

Russ showed some flashes late last year but he wont get any younger and I doubt he will work on his physical conditioning any harder. Russells success coincided with lots of running under Rosenberg which is not sustainable .

I've never been as impressed with Peyton as many. Weak division. Lucky with great drafts . playoff flameout whose done less in 16 years than Pete in 13.
I dont care unless were playing and Russ will be long retired by then unless we both reach the super bowl and I like our chances better. I see it as a huge mistake by Denver. Doubling down on Russ at 34 and trying to save face. Now I hear they are trying to bring back Fangio with hard feelings in the locker room .
I don't see it working out very well. Lets find out. Hes not andy Reid for sure so good luck.
This is an analysis, not an invitation to fight so please spare the personal attacks

[NorthHawk]

Denver has the basis of a good team as we stand today. There is good potential for the Defense and some good players on Offense. It's not like they are starting with expansion level talent.
Payton is a good coach and is said to be someone who can work with all QBs, but he has to instill a focus and standard in practice and games that didn't seem to be there last year.
With Wilson, I'm sure he knows how the football world is perceiving him and will want to change that narrative and get back on track, so they both have the desire to make things better and get more
out of the QB position. But now, unlike last year, Payton holds the power and should change the dynamic in the locker room so Wilson becomes more a part of the team instead of a "star" player.
I don't think they will lose the games they should win next year and that is a big step from the scat show with Hackett. I'm hoping the AFC West will be the dogfight most of us expected last year for
the entertainment value alone.

[Hawktawk]

I’ve heard analysis today that there will be a change , no more office , expect to be spoken to different then ever before , be challenged more .we will see . If I’ve got to challenge an employee with 12 years in any occupation I’d be sceptical. As I’ve said it doesn’t matter anymore other than pure curiosity . If Payton fixes Russell’s game tip of the cap . It’s a tall order IMO