Wild in San Fran

[RiverDog]

Why don’t you stfu ? Honestly you’re a complete Jack wagon . Eat it .

We all watched it . Lost to a better team obviously . The kid threw us a couple early and we couldn’t squeeze them . Geno cracked in the second half with the huge fumble and imo it’s over before the pick . I wouldn’t say he “ wrote back “ . But mr always right will . The officials were weird . Nothing in the first half then boom with the tick tack calls and no calls . 3 man downfield calls in like 6 snaps and if they were a foot too far that was it every time . The announcers called it out once . Another nfl referee job . Clearly wasn’t the difference .

We’re the 11th victim of a team that might win it all , loaded , tip of the cap . The qb is as I told you all a stud , the real deal . We might be dealing with him awhile in the division. .
It was a great entertaining season , highly , very bright future . I’ll focus on that rather than obnoxiously trolling another forum member .

Also, HT, relax a little. River was just giving you s***. Don’t take things so personally, especially in such a small forum. Everyone is disappointed about today.

This. We're all friends here, and sometimes I do get carried away, and for that, I do apologize.

Simply due to my habit of lowering expectations, I probably wasn't as upset at losing as others were at our loss. I actually expected us to lose big, I just throttled back my prediction some so as not to irritate the group and be thought of as a Debbie Downer. I would have been ecstatic had we won as it would have been more unexpected for me than it would have been for others.

Our defense never was in the game. In the first half, the Niners scored every time they touched the ball, and in the 2nd, they burned over half of the 3rd quarter on a long TD drive. Like so many running backs have this season, CMC was gashing us. He had 90 yard on 11 carries in the first half alone. Our front 7 is horribly weak. We were able to keep it close in the first half due primarily to Brock Purdy's playing horribly, a condition he rectified in the 2nd half. The Niners are by far the better team, maybe the best in the conference.

As far as next season goes, although I'm not calling for Pete's head like I did at the end of this season, I am far from satisfied with the results he's been producing. The only reason, and I mean the only reason, I'm not standing on my Fire Pete apple box is because of the results of our draft and the way they went about making the selections. Although making the playoffs might delight other forum members, it doesn't flick my Bick, especially the way we got in this season.

[RiverDog]

Anyone watching the game who thinks we should go qb early in the draft needs your bifocals checked . Hard to win giving up 500 yards .

Well, then I guess we'd all better make appointments with our optometrists as the majority of posters here would like to see us take one if the right one falls to us. Drafting a QB early in the draft is not necessarily a vote of no confidence for Geno.

[Hawktawk]

Also, HT, relax a little. River was just giving you s***. Don’t take things so personally, especially in such a small forum. Everyone is disappointed about today.

This. We're all friends here, and sometimes I do get carried away, and for that, I do apologize.

Simply due to my habit of lowering expectations, I probably wasn't as upset at losing as others were at our loss. I actually expected us to lose big, I just throttled back my prediction some so as not to irritate the group and be thought of as a Debbie Downer. I would have been ecstatic had we won as it would have been more unexpected for me than it would have been for others.

Our defense never was in the game. In the first half, the Niners scored every time they touched the ball, and in the 2nd, they burned over half of the 3rd quarter on a long TD drive. Like so many running backs have this season, CMC was gashing us. He had 90 yard on 11 carries in the first half alone. Our front 7 is horribly weak. We were able to keep it close in the first half due primarily to Brock Purdy's playing horribly, a condition he rectified in the 2nd half. The Niners are by far the better team, maybe the best in the conference.

As far as next season goes, although I'm not calling for Pete's head like I did at the end of this season, I am far from satisfied with the results he's been producing. The only reason, and I mean the only reason, I'm not standing on my Fire Pete apple box is because of the results of our draft and the way they went about making the selections. Although making the playoffs might delight other forum members, it doesn't flick my Bick, especially the way we got in this season.[/quote]

Apology accepted.
Hard to use yesterday as a yardstick. Our point total would have won the second game. The field was actually pretty damn good but I still think footing was unsure enough to favor offense a bit. And quite frankly its the best offense, best called offense, best skill set in the league by a mile. We were running in place trying to contain that circus act
That includes Purdy. Beyond the second half dominance sneaking for a first down and a TD with a smaller guy was impressive. In the first half they slowed him down, it was actual pressure that created his mistakes and he made several big plays while under pressure. We could have had 2 picks maybe .

But our defense. Man I dont know. Its been hard to watch quite a bit this year. Geno had a bad second half but played almost perfect in the first half staking the team to a halftime lead with 17 points in the second quarter. Then after watching another 7:45 meat grinder drive he gets us to the red zone before the fumble.Walker must have been hurt again because an ineffective Dee Jay was all we had going by then putting it all on Geno.
If the were ever a time for the defense to be an active partner that was then down 6 force a punt we're right there. When they scored again it was over. Genos pick was icing on top because they were stopped twice all day, once by a kneel down. The dirty play by Abram twisting Deebos ankle reportedly fired up the 9ers as they finished that drive and never trailed again.

Can't take too much away from that game other than that's a really good team that found white Russell in the irrelevant spot. Not the same dynamic game but same level of confidence and impact on the game. We are way behind in talent as are most in the conference.
Got to get better,especially on defense and the interior line. QB? who knows? There was talk pre game that seattle has decided to franchise Geno if necessary . See how his uneven performance down the stretch might affect that. Fortunately a lot smarter people than I are making the decisions.
Is Pete back? Would he say you know what? I've had enough. It wouldn't be a terrible time for him to go out with a playoff team that was supposed to win 5 and a career backup qb.If I cant watch his defense how can he?

That said I'm delighted we made the postseason and made a game of it for a while . It was vindication for the seahawks after all the offseason bashing.an unforgettable year.

[RiverDog]

Apology accepted.

Thanks. I'll try to tone it back a bit.

Hard to use yesterday as a yardstick. Our point total would have won the second game. The field was actually pretty damn good but I still think footing was unsure enough to favor offense a bit. And quite frankly its the best offense, best called offense, best skill set in the league by a mile. We were running in place trying to contain that circus act
That includes Purdy. Beyond the second half dominance sneaking for a first down and a TD with a smaller guy was impressive. In the first half they slowed him down, it was actual pressure that created his mistakes and he made several big plays while under pressure. We could have had 2 picks maybe .

I wouldn't give Purdy that good of a grade. He played horribly in the first half, jamming balls into covered receivers, breaking the pocket too soon and to his left, had a sub 50% completion percentage at the half. He redeemed himself nicely in the 2nd half, but we can't ignore that poor play in the first. I'd give him a C+ or B-.

But our defense. Man I dont know. Its been hard to watch quite a bit this year. Geno had a bad second half but played almost perfect in the first half staking the team to a halftime lead with 17 points in the second quarter. Then after watching another 7:45 meat grinder drive he gets us to the red zone before the fumble.Walker must have been hurt again because an ineffective Dee Jay was all we had going by then putting it all on Geno.
If the were ever a time for the defense to be an active partner that was then down 6 force a punt we're right there. When they scored again it was over. Genos pick was icing on top because they were stopped twice all day, once by a kneel down. The dirty play by Abram twisting Deebos ankle reportedly fired up the 9ers as they finished that drive and never trailed again.

The refs started losing control of the game because they weren't calling the game tight enough. That's one instance where fewer flags...I think that they threw just one flag in the first half...had a detrimental effect on both teams, and it culminated in that play you referred to. It should have been called.

Can't take too much away from that game other than that's a really good team that found white Russell in the irrelevant spot. Not the same dynamic game but same level of confidence and impact on the game. We are way behind in talent as are most in the conference.
Got to get better,especially on defense and the interior line. QB? who knows? There was talk pre game that seattle has decided to franchise Geno if necessary . See how his uneven performance down the stretch might affect that. Fortunately a lot smarter people than I are making the decisions.
Is Pete back? Would he say you know what? I've had enough. It wouldn't be a terrible time for him to go out with a playoff team that was supposed to win 5 and a career backup qb.If I cant watch his defense how can he?

That said I'm delighted we made the postseason and made a game of it for a while . It was vindication for the seahawks after all the offseason bashing.an unforgettable year.

As I said earlier, I'm not that impressed with our making the playoffs. As a franchise, this team is treading water. Call me impatient, spoiled, or whatever, I want to see a team that's a legitimate threat to go to the Super Bowl, and we have a long way to go. Having said that, we finally have some resources to get better quickly if we play our cards right.

[Hawktawk]

Up till 2021 I would have completely agreed . I think we agreed 2020 at 12-4 had a hollow feel . 21 was a disaster . This year we jettison a fading star for a kings ransom and cash it in on 7 starters by draft and 2 by trade , almost half the starting lineup . Started a career backup bust . Cut our HOF mike , changed scheme , brought in Nwosu . Our defense was occasionally great , sometimes good but usually historically bad and yet 9-8 . I read a Seattle publication that said it was a “ season for the ages “. I wasn’t surprised based on my 10-7 minimum prediction with a wild card berth and was disappointed we didn’t do better . We lost games scoring 23 twice , 24, 32,34. We were halfway to 34 yesterday when the wheels came off. With any defense at all we’re an 11 win team and remain competitive yesterday . But on the balance I think it was a remarkable story . Very excited for the draft and next season but there’s a mountain to climb in the division .

[RiverDog]

Up till 2021 I would have completely agreed . I think we agreed 2020 at 12-4 had a hollow feel . 21 was a disaster . This year we jettison a fading star for a kings ransom and cash it in on 7 starters by draft and 2 by trade , almost half the starting lineup . Started a career backup bust . Cut our HOF mike , changed scheme , brought in Nwosu . Our defense was occasionally great , sometimes good but usually historically bad and yet 9-8 . I read a Seattle publication that said it was a “ season for the ages “. I wasn’t surprised based on my 10-7 minimum prediction with a wild card berth and was disappointed we didn’t do better . We lost games scoring 23 twice , 24, 32,34. We were halfway to 34 yesterday when the wheels came off. With any defense at all we’re an 11 win team and remain competitive yesterday . But on the balance I think it was a remarkable story . Very excited for the draft and next season but there’s a mountain to climb in the division .

Actually, the only mountain in our division is the Niners. Both the Rams and the Cards are in total disarray. Our strength of schedule this past season was .462, third lowest in the league next to the Chiefs (who played the NFC West) and our division companion Niners. That fact will help us when it comes to draft slotting as one of the tiebreakers is the team with the lower SOS gets the higher first round pick. In retrospect, that's one of the factors that helps account for our unexpected success as we swept both the Rams and the Cards.

[NorthHawk]

As I said earlier, the 2nd half showed how big of a gap there is between us and a championship contending team.
We have a lot of work to do to get to that level and the expected limited Cap space according to Overthecap.com.

If we Tag Geno, we will only have $14M or thereabouts but only have 36 players on contract. If my math is correct, it would mean signing 17 players for $14M not including filling the PS.
So we really don't have much room to move unless we dump some big contracts. The biggest candidate to me is Adams, but that still doesn't give us a lot more with the number of players we need to sign
and will not give us any chance at good FA's.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks

[Hawktawk]

We’re not as far behind as the score yesterday . That was a perfect storm literally and figuratively and we were in the red zone late in the 3rd with a chance to take the lead. The fumble seemed like a 21 point swing . The ridiculous Deebo run on which Woolen appeared to be clamped down tight was it . Haven’t rewound the pick but it looked like a db knowing we had to pass gambled and jumped the route . And of course our defense can’t stand and help out against a team like this . With any defense at all we can hang . We need another quality back. Walker is injury prone . Penny is expected to make a full recovery . Sign him . We need a better interior line . Get CHawk bobs center and a nasty guard . Get front 7 help most of all . We’re in a position to do these things . I think we’re not as far off .

[RiverDog]

As I said earlier, the 2nd half showed how big of a gap there is between us and a championship contending team.
We have a lot of work to do to get to that level and the expected limited Cap space according to Overthecap.com.

If we Tag Geno, we will only have $14M or thereabouts but only have 36 players on contract. If my math is correct, it would mean signing 17 players for $14M not including filling the PS.
So we really don't have much room to move unless we dump some big contracts. The biggest candidate to me is Adams, but that still doesn't give us a lot more with the number of players we need to sign
and will not give us any chance at good FA's.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks

You have to think that Adams is a goner. Even if it wasn't for his health, it's insane to lock up that much money in two safeties. The problem is that cutting Adams would require Pete/JS to admit that they made a mistake.

[RiverDog]

Actually, I misspoke earlier in the thread with regards to draft slotting. It's not strength of schedule that factors in as a tiebreaker, it's strength of victory. However, our SOV percentage wasn't much better than our SOS. Our SOV was .382, 5th lowest in the league. The Cards and Rams SOV was even worse than ours, another indication of how weak our division was this season.

[Hawktawk]

Injury doesn’t make a player a mistake . Jamaal has been beaten to death . His first year he set a record for DBs for sacks. Didn’t hear a lot of complaining here then . They had to sign him after that . I feel about Jamaal the same as Penney . Healthy he’s a game wrecker , game changer . They tried. Didn’t work out . Pete and John have done a lot more right then wrong over these 13 years

[RiverDog]

Injury doesn’t make a player a mistake . Jamaal has been beaten to death . His first year he set a record for DBs for sacks. Didn’t hear a lot of complaining here then . They had to sign him after that . I feel about Jamaal the same as Penney . Healthy he’s a game wrecker , game changer . They tried. Didn’t work out . Pete and John have done a lot more right then wrong over these 13 years

Injuries is only one of the problems with Adams. He's a liability on pass defense and he's not a ball hawk type player, chalking more surgeries with us than interceptions. Even when healthy, I'd much rather have Ryan Neal in at safety than I would Adams. He's a one trick pony. It's no coincidence that our defense got better after he got hurt.

[Aseahawkfan]

Injuries is only one of the problems with Adams. He's a liability on pass defense and he's not a ball hawk type player, chalking more surgeries with us than interceptions. Even when healthy, I'd much rather have Ryan Neal in at safety than I would Adams. He's a one trick pony. It's no coincidence that our defense got better after he got hurt.

Did it get better? Is this what we're calling better?

I'd get rid of Jamal because he can't stay healthy myself. A guy can't stay on the field, his talent level doesn't matter. He can't handle the physicality of the game, then he's not an asset in the NFL. That's the hard truth of it.

[RiverDog]

Did it get better? Is this what we're calling better?

I was speaking of last season when he went out in Game 12. Our defense improved. This season, he was injured in the first game, so that's not really a fair statement. Let's just say that there wasn't any difference when he was in there vs. when he was injured. He's not a difference maker.

I'd get rid of Jamal because he can't stay healthy myself. A guy can't stay on the field, his talent level doesn't matter. He can't handle the physicality of the game, then he's not an asset in the NFL. That's the hard truth of it.

It's not just is health that's a problem. As North Hawk pointed out, it's that albatross of a contract that we signed him to. Do you want to spend money on a free safety that's a liability in coverage or spend it on improving our DL? We need to cut bait with this guy.

[Aseahawkfan]

It's not just is health that's a problem. As North Hawk pointed out, it's that albatross of a contract that we signed him to. Do you want to spend money on a free safety that's a liability in coverage or spend it on improving our DL? We need to cut bait with this guy.

I would not mind keeping him if he could stay healthy. Right now we have so many holes on defense, players that would be doing a lot better are being asked to do too much.

I think Jamal would do fine if expected to just be a strong safety with a front seven that put him in position to focus on his job. NFL defenses are very specialized. When you are asking your strong and free safety to do too much, of course they look bad. They are trying too hard to support the run defense or make every play that others miss. Defenses are only as good as their exploitable weaknesses.

Strong safeties are not D-line guys and shouldn't be used as such or you're going to end up getting them injured.

Pete and John have to get the front seven rebuilt or they're just stupid to think a strong secondary will fix much of anything if the front seven can't hold.

[mykc14]

Getting rid of Adams is tough. He has an 18 mil cap hit but 21 mil in dead money if you cut him this year. A post June cut would give us an 11 mil hit for each of the next two years, so we could save 7 mil off the cap but then you have 2 high years of cap hits... Quandre is a much more likely candidate to get cut. He has an 18 mil cap hit with only 8 mil in dead money if we cut him. We could definitely save some money by cutting him. If we designate him post June it would only be two years of dead cap at about 4 mil.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'd be more unhappy to get rid of Diggs than Adams. It's going to come down to what Geno costs and what our draft looks like. Cutting before you know what holes you filed with draft choices not wise. I think we'll have more clarity after we see who they draft.

[Hawktawk]

It's not just is health that's a problem. As North Hawk pointed out, it's that albatross of a contract that we signed him to. Do you want to spend money on a free safety that's a liability in coverage or spend it on improving our DL? We need to cut bait with this guy.

I would not mind keeping him if he could stay healthy. Right now we have so many holes on defense, players that would be doing a lot better are being asked to do too much.

I think Jamal would do fine if expected to just be a strong safety with a front seven that put him in position to focus on his job. NFL defenses are very specialized. When you are asking your strong and free safety to do too much, of course they look bad. They are trying too hard to support the run defense or make every play that others miss. Defenses are only as good as their exploitable weaknesses.

If Jamal could stay healthy, I'd be ok keeping him if we can get the front seven rebuilt. But strong safeties are not D-line guys and shouldn't be used as such or you're going to end up getting them injured.

Pete and John have to get the front seven rebuilt or they're just stupid to think a strong secondary will fix much of anything if the front seven can't hold.[/quote]

Jamaal had 9.5 sacks on a 12-4 team . Unfortunately he was playing on 2 injured shoulders in that playoff game and was ineffective , dropped a pick . His second year he had 2 picks when hurt again with an improving coverage rate .

Hindsight’s 20-20. Bad trade ? Obviously . Not because he can’t play . It’s because he’s hurt all the time . But Ryan Neal was hurt all year , playing hurt on a defense that gave up over 500 yards , 338 to kittle , McCaffrey , and deebo alone . This last Adams injury sounds like 1 that could rob his speed making a guy that’s marginal in coverage already pretty much useless .
They tried .
And yes if we do not fix the front 7 it doesn’t matter about the back end . Other than a couple guys nobody in that group should feel safe. I think Hurrt has failed as well and this is a real black eye for a guy like Pete who loves defense . Really need help this off-season.

[Aseahawkfan]

Jamaal had 9.5 sacks on a 12-4 team . Unfortunately he was playing on 2 injured shoulders in that playoff game and was ineffective , dropped a pick . His second year he had 2 picks when hurt again with an improving coverage rate .

Hindsight’s 20-20. Bad trade ? Obviously . Not because he can’t play . It’s because he’s hurt all the time . But Ryan Neal was hurt all year , playing hurt on a defense that gave up over 500 yards , 338 to kittle , McCaffrey , and deebo alone . This last Adams injury sounds like 1 that could rob his speed making a guy that’s marginal in coverage already pretty much useless .
They tried .
And yes if we do not fix the front 7 it doesn’t matter about the back end . Other than a couple guys nobody in that group should feel safe. I think Hurrt has failed as well and this is a real black eye for a guy like Pete who loves defense . Really need help this off-season.

9.5 sacks that may have cost him his career because you don't send a safety to do the job of a defensive end because it will wear them down.

We like to talk about QBs getting hit too much and shortening their careers. I believe the same thing about safeties expected to do too much run support and rush the passer. It shortens their careers. They are not built to go against 300 pound offensive linemen or even 260 lb. blocking TEs down after down.

[RiverDog]

Jamaal had 9.5 sacks on a 12-4 team . Unfortunately he was playing on 2 injured shoulders in that playoff game and was ineffective , dropped a pick . His second year he had 2 picks when hurt again with an improving coverage rate .

Hindsight’s 20-20. Bad trade ? Obviously . Not because he can’t play . It’s because he’s hurt all the time . But Ryan Neal was hurt all year , playing hurt on a defense that gave up over 500 yards , 338 to kittle , McCaffrey , and deebo alone . This last Adams injury sounds like 1 that could rob his speed making a guy that’s marginal in coverage already pretty much useless .
They tried .
And yes if we do not fix the front 7 it doesn’t matter about the back end . Other than a couple guys nobody in that group should feel safe. I think Hurrt has failed as well and this is a real black eye for a guy like Pete who loves defense . Really need help this off-season.

9.5 sacks that may have cost him his career because you don't send a safety to do the job of a defensive end because it will wear them down.

We like to talk about QBs getting hit too much and shortening their careers. I believe the same thing about safeties expected to do too much run support and rush the passer. It shortens their careers. They are not built to go against 300 pound offensive linemen or even 260 lb. blocking TEs down after down.

Adams is 6'1", 213 pounds. He can't be used consistently on the LOS matching up against 6'4" 250 lb tight ends and expected to do things like stop an off tackle run.

All that 9.5 sacks from a safety tells me is that we didn't have much of a pass rush from our front 7. In the first weeks of the trade, we thrived for a time with Adams blitzing, but once defenses started figuring it out, they started accounting for him, his sacks went down, and our pass defense struggled. If you overuse a blitzing safety as we were, eventually offenses will figure it out and make you pay.

It was a bad trade and an even worse contract that we signed him to. It's time to cut bait, write it off as a failed experiment, and move on.

[Hawktawk]

I’m guessing he’s physically shot anyway . Pete said his rehab may may last all the way through next offseason and training camp . I agree with all the above . He was asked to do a linebacker job and then when his shoulders were hurting and fingers broken now catch an interception . It failed obviously . He’s still one of the most violent explosive guys I ever saw . Early last year I saw him flip a Titans linemen , hip roll him with one arm while reaching for the qb with the other . But same game he runs himself out of a tackle on Henry being too agressive and gives up a house call in a last second loss . Still I love the guy , loved his attitude . Another story of a guy who can’t stay on the field . We’re better with him playing .

[mykc14]

I'd be more unhappy to get rid of Diggs than Adams. It's going to come down to what Geno costs and what our draft looks like. Cutting before you know what holes you filed with draft choices not wise. I think we'll have more clarity after we see who they draft.

I would also rather get rid of Adams, personally. Neal showed he can play SS at a high level and Diggs played better at the end of the season. Financially it's just really tough to get rid of Adams this year. It makes way more financial sense to keep him for a year and see how he fits in this system now.

[mykc14]

All that 9.5 sacks from a safety tells me is that we didn't have much of a pass rush from our front 7. In the first weeks of the trade, we thrived for a time with Adams blitzing, but once defenses started figuring it out, they started accounting for him, his sacks went down, and our pass defense struggled. If you overuse a blitzing safety as we were, eventually offenses will figure it out and make you pay.

It was a bad trade and an even worse contract that we signed him to. It's time to cut bait, write it off as a failed experiment, and move on.

To get that 9.5 sacks he had to blitz a ton (probably more than any player in the league). That was a huge liability for us. As he was getting those sacks we were getting exposed on the backend time and time again. Terrible trade for a player who simply does not fit the system!

[Aseahawkfan]

We don't know how well a player fits the system until they get a front seven that isn't forcing everyone into run defense or rushing the passer because they aren't good enough on the front to do the job. As long as Schneider and Pete keep failing to fix the D-line and all that it does, hard to judge the safeties and back end doing their job unless it is just egregiously bad mistakes.

[NorthHawk]

I have my doubts that taking a $30M+ Cap hit @ Safety aids in accumulating talent.
We have so many required upgrades that the draft won’t fill all of them, so I suspect one of them will
have to go or have a serious contract restructure.
At this point we won’t be able to FT Geno. The Cap won’t permit it, but if we do, some big names will be released.

[Agent 86]

Want to give props to DK Metcalf. I called him out in another thread for too easily letting teams inside his head and getting too concerned of making it personal. It was obviously a point of emphasis during the week in practice I am sure Pete talked to him and teammates. Other than a mild shove he gave a DB who continued to try to knock the ball off after the whistle when forward progress was stopped (and that was in the 4th quarter when game was out of hand), DK kept his composure. Didn't show any reaction at all to anyone who was beaking at him.

The result was 10 catches on 13 targets for 136 yards and 2 TD's. Another developmental step and experience for DK going forward. I was really proud of how he played and it shows if he just takes care of himself great things will happen. He doesn't need to worry about anyone else on the other team.

The defense, oy yoy yoy. Can't add on anything more than what has been said, it was awful. I know he has been a target of mine and I will harp on it again. Cody Barton is an extremely weak link in this defense and that's by my eye test only. No stats to back that up. But he doesn't make any kind of impact, he cannot shed blocks (something that I noticed is a weakness of a few other players on D), takes terrible angles when trying to tackle (again something I noticed alot during the year for many players). He's got a good motor I will give him that, he tries hard. Just not much skill and his football IQ is average. Backup linebacker, not a starter. He is a UFA so hoping he is let go and that spot gets a significant upgrade.

Props to Geno, what a season! Good for him, I hope he is back but at a decent number. All in all, it was a great year. We were all entertained way more than we thought we would be and got the #5 overall pick. Big draft upcoming along with free agency. Will be another interesting off season in Seattle.

[NorthHawk]

I’ve been impressed with our new. kick returner, Godwin Igwebuike.
I think Tanner Muse did well in limited action and although raw, he might have some use.
Ryan Neal needs to start over one of the other Safeties.
Uchenna Nwosu turned out to be a real good pickup.
I wish Al Woods was 28 instead of mid 30’s. We might be able to get his successor in the draft with Siaki Ika.

[obiken]

River, there are/were a lot of decisions that the Hawks made that I felt were bad, and said so at the time, this is not one of them. I think they are darned if they do, and darned if they dont. We will never have this high a first rounder to get a Franchise QB for a long time, yet Geno led the league it Pass completions, but I dont think he can win games for you on his own. I wont fault them if they use the pick for a Carter out of GA, or the Center CBob was talking about. My nightmare scenario with PC, is that he goes outta box for someone that we dont need, or havent heard of, and he turns out to be a bust.

[RiverDog]

River, there are/were a lot of decisions that the Hawks made that I felt were bad, and said so at the time, this is not one of them. I think they are darned if they do, and darned if they dont. We will never have this high a first rounder to get a Franchise QB for a long time, yet Geno led the league it Pass completions, but I dont think he can win games for you on his own. I wont fault them if they use the pick for a Carter out of GA, or the Center CBob was talking about. My nightmare scenario with PC, is that he goes outta box for someone that we dont need, or havent heard of, and he turns out to be a bust.

We won't be using our #5 overall on a center. That much I'm sure of. And, I'd be surprised if we used our natural pick at #20 overall. Centers just don't go that high in the draft. If we're going to select a center, the most likely spot would be one of our two first round picks. I'm not comfortable with Jalen Carter. He doesn't look like a top 5 overall to me, but I haven't seen that much of him, ether.

I hear ya about Pete going off on some tangent and reaching for a player, but they stayed on script in last year's draft and were very successful with it, so my hope is that they've learned their lesson.

[NorthHawk]

I think you meant we would probably use a pick for a Center with one of our 2 2nd round picks.
That's where we would expect the Centers to go although last year at least 1 went in the first round.
We also need a solid RG - make that Guard and if he's a LG, move Lewis back to his natural position at RG.

[RiverDog]

I think you meant we would probably use a pick for a Center with one of our 2 2nd round picks.
That's where we would expect the Centers to go although last year at least 1 went in the first round.
We also need a solid RG - make that Guard and if he's a LG, move Lewis back to his natural position at RG.

Yes, I meant one of our 2nd round picks, most likely Denver's #36 overall.

Center is likely a higher priority than OG, but I wouldn't mind taking a guard, either, if he's the better player.