Denver Pick Watch

[NorthHawk]

I saw him throughout the year when Georgia was on National TV.
From what I noticed, he is a hit and miss type of player - meaning he's sometimes dominant and other times disappears for stretches.
I don't know if the quality of players around him gives him an edge, but he isn't as dominating as Quinnen Williams from a couple of years ago and not as stout as Derrick Brown from Auburn.
Kinlaw, another comparison and now with the 49ers showed better than Carter on a regular basis, but injuries have slowed him down in the NFL.
If you expect him to be the next Cortez, to me he hasn't shown that type of motor or ability on a consistent basis.

But Carter incredibly athletic for a guy his size and that doesn't come along very often, so I would expect some team to look at him and think they can motivate him to play at his highest level all the time.
And they may be right, but the odds are against that. Do our coaches have the patience to develop him over the course of a couple of years? We haven't shown it since Pete got here.

[NorthHawk]

Pete and John's strategy for guards is that they use the position as bust insurance for tackles. They did it with Carpenter, Ifedi, and Britt. And we all know how much they valued a Pro Bowl center when they traded one away with nothing more than a "Next man up!" as a plan to replace him.

But that was then. Hopefully, with the out of character emphasis on offensive tackles in the 2022 draft, they've gained a newfound respect for the OL.

We'll have two picks between #35 and #50. That would be a great place to select a center or guard. We'd likely be getting one of the top 2 or 3 at the position.

I was watching the OL last night and their Center looks the part. He's a Sophomore, so I guess he's not eligible this year and maybe the competition wasn't the best but he stood out.
Powerful and athletic was what I saw. Maybe we can get him next year if we don't get a good one this year.

[RiverDog]

I saw him throughout the year when Georgia was on National TV.
From what I noticed, he is a hit and miss type of player - meaning he's sometimes dominant and other times disappears for stretches.
I don't know if the quality of players around him gives him an edge, but he isn't as dominating as Quinnen Williams from a couple of years ago and not as stout as Derrick Brown from Auburn.
Kinlaw, another comparison and now with the 49ers showed better than Carter on a regular basis, but injuries have slowed him down in the NFL.
If you expect him to be the next Cortez, to me he hasn't shown that type of motor or ability on a consistent basis.

But Carter incredibly athletic for a guy his size and that doesn't come along very often, so I would expect some team to look at him and think they can motivate him to play at his highest level all the time.
And they may be right, but the odds are against that. Do our coaches have the patience to develop him over the course of a couple of years? We haven't shown it since Pete got here.

Thanks for giving us your take. I don't watch that much college football anymore, and last night is a prime example as to why.

[mykc14]

last night is a prime example as to why.

Of course that happens from time to time, but if you missed the semi-finals you missed two of the best football games you could watch. They were amazing.

[Hawktawk]

Thoughts on Stetson ? 2nd tier ? 3rd ?

[mykc14]

Thoughts on Stetson ? 2nd tier ? 3rd ?

I actually like him. He is undersized and a bit older (will be 26 next October), but he looks like he can play at the next level. I don't like him as a 1st round pick but he is defiantly interesting. I also get worried about guys who are playing with a huge talent advantage over their opponents week in and week out. CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Stenson Bennett, etc are always playing with a clean pocket, throwing to first round receivers, and play in college offensive systems created to utilize their speed advantage and the extra space that the college hash marks give you. More recently we are seeing young QB's coming from those systems having success (Hurts, Tua, Herbert, Burrow).

[TriCitySam]

[Joe Burrow was drafted #1 overall, and so far, the results have been excellent. Trevor Lawrence was also a #1 overall, and after a slow rookie season playing for a total train wreck of a team, he's starting to blossom into a promising quarterback. Josh Allen was almost a top 5 QB, selected #7 overall, and he's an MVP candidate.

As I said, went to 2019 to give a body of work, so they weren't part of the post. Burrow, Lawrence and Allen all look very good, but let's evaluate after 4 or 5 years. The point is that was that the failure rate is higher on QB's than other positions. In part teams reach, plus the field ain't the same. Nothing in there about being afraid to take a QB. That's something JS can evaluate, not you and not I. I have confidence in his ability to gain as much value in this draft as possible.

[RiverDog]

As I said, went to 2019 to give a body of work, so they weren't part of the post. Burrow, Lawrence and Allen all look very good, but let's evaluate after 4 or 5 years. The point is that was that the failure rate is higher on QB's than other positions. In part teams reach, plus the field ain't the same. Nothing in there about being afraid to take a QB. That's something JS can evaluate, not you and not I. I have confidence in his ability to gain as much value in this draft as possible.

I'm not sure if the quarterback position has a lower success rate than other positions or not. There's a whole lot of variables, starting with what we consider a 'bust.' But even if we were able to quantify it, we have to weigh it against the fact that the quarterback is the most influential position on the field, which would go a long way in justifying that risk over that of a defensive lineman. The other thing that factors in is the length of their careers and their subject to injury, which is one of the reasons why running backs aren't normally taken in the top 10.

We're probably closer to agreeing than we are disagreeing. I am not necessarily advocating that we draft a quarterback. All I am saying is that everything else considered equal, this season would be the ideal time to draft one as we're picking in the top 5, we have a QB in place to where a rookie wouldn't be forced to start, and we have an armload of high draft picks, which lessens the impact of any one of them striking out.

[Hawktawk]

My guess we’re taking a qb somewhere . I’d be shocked if it’s a top pick but whatever . I’m with TCS we have some of the best in the business doing this .

Crazy rumor today that the Bears may be considering trading Justin Fields for a top pick and start over

[RiverDog]

My guess we’re taking a qb somewhere . I’d be shocked if it’s a top pick but whatever . I’m with TCS we have some of the best in the business doing this .

Crazy rumor today that the Bears may be considering trading Justin Fields for a top pick and start over

I wouldn't get too excited about the Bears and Fields:

Bears GM quiets draft debate, backs Justin Fields as No. 1 QB

Bears general manager Ryan Poles backed Justin Fields as Chicago's starting quarterback for 2023 and said he would have to be "absolutely blown away" to take a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick in this year's draft.

"Yeah. We had good conversations," Poles said during his season-ending news conference. "I'm excited for the direction he's going. As I mentioned before, he knows where he has to improve. I think he mentioned that the other day. We're excited about his development and where he goes next. He showed ability to be impactful with his legs. There's flashes with his arm. Now if we can put that together, I think we have something really good."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/354 ... ds-no-1-qb

[mykc14]

My guess we’re taking a qb somewhere . I’d be shocked if it’s a top pick but whatever . I’m with TCS we have some of the best in the business doing this .

Crazy rumor today that the Bears may be considering trading Justin Fields for a top pick and start over

If I were them I would seriously think about it- If you really like any of the top QB's. You obviously don't have a talented roster if you are picking #1 overall and you have an opportunity to add some talent. If you really think his career progression is going to be like Josh Allen then hold onto him and probably use the opportunity to trade down, but there's definitely evidence suggesting that maybe he isn't the guy that's going to make you a serious SB contender.

[NorthHawk]

My guess is the original plan when we unloaded Wilson was to take a QB in one of the two drafts with 2 first round picks.
I hope they don't move away from that as we won't get another chance to get a Franchise type QB for a long time and Geno is getting older and may be coming back to earth.
A QB who has all of the tools would benefit from sitting behind Geno or Lock for a year or so before starting and that would coincide with the OTs being matured and hopefully
a proper Center to lead the OL.

[Hawktawk]

He had the #8 qbr in the league second half of the season and an enormous rush total but was hurt a few times. There’s your run around high draft pick from a major power that has wide open guys , great run game , defense and line etc.

I mean I like the kid but I think they won 3 games in his second season . Buyer beware . I’ve heard hit rate on top qbs is around 30%. And when this GM says “ I’d have to be blown away “ that’s not a no at all . It’s an opening for “ wow I got blown away “ .
Weird stuff .

[Hawktawk]

My guess is the original plan when we unloaded Wilson was to take a QB in one of the two drafts with 2 first round picks.
I hope they don't move away from that as we won't get another chance to get a Franchise type QB for a long time and Geno is getting older and may be coming back to earth.
A QB who has all of the tools would benefit from sitting behind Geno or Lock for a year or so before starting and that would coincide with the OTs being matured and hopefully
a proper Center to lead the OL.

Do you want to take a qb at 5 ? Young and Stroud are gone and both are slightly built guys from top programs . Like fields . I saw someone say Hurts and Tua are proving this college system works . Tua has brain damage at this point 3 concussions this year alone . Hurts missed games with injury . For that matter Lamar Jackson is hurt and is always hurt . Russ is about the only short running guy who could stay on the field . I like 6’4” guys that can see the field and have the frame to take a hit . So should we move up for Levis or something ? Take him at 5? I really don’t trust that one at all for some reason . I don’t know all the guys in the draft , not a huge college guru . I know I like Stetson but I also know he didn’t get touched all game even running . I think Genos at 45 sacks or something probably a couple hundred hits . Set a few team records .

What if we sign both Geno and Lock and roll with it , load up on defense and O interior line , based on Pete’s continual praise of Drew I have to wonder . Go into TC with Geno the starter and see what happens . Maybe take one of the more promising second tier QBs . Of course we know what happened last time they picked a qb. 3rd round .
Should be fascinating .

[NorthHawk]

No Young, although he might be the most talented, but he is pretty small and about 20lbs lighter than Wilson. We've done the smaller QB, but there are some real good QBs in this draft.
We've talked about Levis as another and there is more and more mention of Anthony Richardson who would need to learn for a year but he may have the most athletic ability of them all.
There aren't any Andrew Luck or Peyton Mannings in this draft, but there are some very good ones that can be long term solutions.
After maybe Carter and Anderson, the DL seems to fall off for the next tier of DL. OL probably isn't going to be considered until our 2nd pick or 2nd round. There are going to be some solid
players, though but there will be some really good talent early, too but we might not need it - I'm thinking players like Bijan Robinson, RB from Texas and Michael Mayer, TE from ND. They might
be the most talented players after the top 4 outside of QB. So I have no problem taking a QB at 5 who can be the Francise QB of the future.
Geno isn't the future. He's the present and who knows when the age wall will hit him. We don't know much about Lock, but he would need someone behind him. Wouldn't it be better if that player
was a top QB?

[Old but Slow]

Stroud is 6' 3" and 215, with some potential to add some beef. Young and Bennett are quite small for the position, and I, for one, am preferring a taller signal caller. Levis, Richardson and Stroud are all big, athletic players, all can make the throws, and all are mobile. All top 10 picks are risks. The balancing factor is that QB is more difficult to find later in the draft. The Brady, Wilson, etc. examples are outliers, and rare enough to get lots of comments.

Risk? Look at Mahomes. Some draft boards did not have him in the first round right up until the draft when he went at #10.

I agree with some of the comments about Carter. Now there is some risk. Questions about his character, conditioning, and production. And, yet, much of opinion seems to see him as a sure thing. Similarly, Will Anderson is a risk. Like Carter, a talented player who will help a team, but, in my view, will not be the kind of game changer that folks are looking for. There is no Aaron Donald in this draft (I hope I'm wrong and we get him, whoever he is). Anderson has high character, effort, conditioning, and intangibles all over the place, but he is still an undersized pass rusher who does not excel in coverage.

My current position (subject to change, as always), is to take Richardson, if he is there and Geno is retained. If we lose Geno to free agency, then I would take Levis. Richardson has one major weakness, and that is lack of experience. Physically he is almost unique. Big, fast, elusive, high character, conditioning, amazing arm (could learn to put more touch on the ball), and played in a pro style offense in the SEC on a team in a major overhaul. If he has hands he could be a TE/WR. Levis is more pro ready, strong, big, fast, good arm, character, leadership, and made a s*** team respectable. His protection was brutal. He was sacked over 40 times and was under constant pressure. For comparison, U. W. leader Penix was sacked 7 times.

At pick 5 we may not have a shot at my preferred 3, but, even then, I would take Bryce Young over Carter or Anderson.

[Aseahawkfan]

I hope you draftniks can find us some good players to slobber over in the 1st and 2nd round so we can guess who we will pick. I'd like a good backer or strong safety in round 2.

[RiverDog]

My current position (subject to change, as always), is to take Richardson, if he is there and Geno is retained. If we lose Geno to free agency, then I would take Levis. Richardson has one major weakness, and that is lack of experience. Physically he is almost unique. Big, fast, elusive, high character, conditioning, amazing arm (could learn to put more touch on the ball), and played in a pro style offense in the SEC on a team in a major overhaul. If he has hands he could be a TE/WR. Levis is more pro ready, strong, big, fast, good arm, character, leadership, and made a s*** team respectable. His protection was brutal. He was sacked over 40 times and was under constant pressure. For comparison, U. W. leader Penix was sacked 7 times.

At pick 5 we may not have a shot at my preferred 3, but, even then, I would take Bryce Young over Carter or Anderson.

So what about Stroud? Are you assuming that he'll be gone by #5? Or do you have Richardson, Young, and Levis all ranked above him?

[Old but Slow]

My omission. Stroud will go in the top 3, in my opinion. I would take any of the 4 top QBs.

[RiverDog]

My omission. Stroud will go in the top 3, in my opinion. I would take any of the 4 top QBs.

Ahh, brilliant minds think alike! Stroud is the most NFL ready QB that I've ever seen this year, plus he's a great athlete in the mold of a Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson. I'd love it if he fell to us.

[NorthHawk]

Stroud had the bowl game where he showed his athleticism. Prior to that he didn’t have to scramble much and needed to
only be a relative statue behind a very good OL. I was surprised at how good he was on the run, but I think
Levis is more Pro ready by nature of being in a Pro style Offense that demanded more of his abilities. He simply had
more obstacles to contend with and still looked very good.
I would take either one, though at 5 as they both have a high ceiling.

[c_hawkbob]

The Georgia player I like for us is their Center, he's only a redshirt sophomore but he's eligible for the draft and if he declares I'd like to see us grab him with one of our second rounders.

[mykc14]

Ahh, brilliant minds think alike! Stroud is the most NFL ready QB that I've ever seen this year, plus he's a great athlete in the mold of a Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson. I'd love it if he fell to us.

I also like Stroud. I think he showed a lot in that loss to Georgia, it might be the thing that catapults him into the top 3 and out of reach for us. The only QB of the top 4 (Stroud, Levis, Richardson, and Young) that I would want to steer clear from is Young. It's probably not fair but he just seems too small for me to draft that early. I would definitely take him later (but he won't be there), kind of like Bennett who is similar in size. I like both of them but I don't like either of them early.

[Hawktawk]

Stroud is bigger than he looks . Objection overuled . Id take him .

Levis ? No thanks . Injury prone , not great numbers and most important by 100 miles he abandoned his team by skipping his bowl game .
There’s no I in team and his team had a game left . No thank you . Hell no . I don’t want any guy at any position who abandons his team . He will do it to us someday .

[TriCitySam]

I really hope we take a C, that has been a weak spot. The two top guys generally are considered to be Wypler from Ohio State and Schmitz from Minnesota, probably both 2nd round guys.

If the top to D guys aren't there, then I could see us going down the board a ways to pick up some more draft capital. Still intrigued by Tyree Wilson, but a Myles Murphy could also be in play, and then go interior later. There is some talent there in the 2nd round as well in Dexter (FL) - 6'6" and 313, and Ika from Baylor is a genuine nose tackle, 6'4" and 358.

[mykc14]

Stroud is bigger than he looks . Objection overuled . Id take him .

Levis ? No thanks . Injury prone , not great numbers and most important by 100 miles he abandoned his team by skipping his bowl game .
There’s no I in team and his team had a game left . No thank you . Hell no . I don’t want any guy at any position who abandons his team . He will do it to us someday .

You might want to revisit Levis and usually I'm on the same page about players skipping bowl games, but I do think it was justified with Levis. His safety was at risk every time he dropped back to pass. He was sacked 42 times this year. CJ Stroud (who I like) was sacked 8 times and Stetson Bennett was sacked 7 times. If you watched the Championship game you saw Bennett having all of the time in the world to throw. Levis had a first year OC who got fired at the end of the season. Lets see how many draft day 1 and 2 offensive players CJ Stroud was playing with vs. Levis. Another thing to factor in is that Levis had a TERRIBLE OL and was playing in the SEC. Let's put Stroud on Kentucky and Levis on Ohio State and see what their stats look like.

Here are the ranked 2023 draft prospects on a few QB's schools that we have been talking about (offensive players in bold):

Kentucy: LEVIS 7, RB 128, C 456, OLB 569, G 597

Alabama: YOUNG 1, LB 2, CB 26, LB 29, RB 36, CB 42, S 59, G 75, DT 78, TE 126, DL 160, WR 170, S 182, OT 216, RB 283, LB 313, C 365, C 436, DL 601

Georgia: DT 3, CB 14, OLB 18, OT 20, TE 49, C 81, CB 98, S 102, RB 133, BENNETT 141, OLB 205, C 227, OLB 313, C 359, WR 391, OT 443, WR 504, DL 519, CB 611

Florida: G 38, RICHARDSON 52, DT 53, S 76, LB 113, DL 127, OLB 159, CB 163, CB 230, CB 256, LB 281, LB 286, WR 312, C 421, G 473, TE 613

Ohio State: STROUD 8, OT 17, WR 24, DE 53, OT 63, C 72, CB 103, S 110, S 166, C 184, LB 204, C 210, WR 212, G 304, LB 309, TE 326, K 383, LB 427, LB 444, DT 521, LB 556

I mean this clearly highlights the lack of talent that Levis was playing with. Him and the Running Back may be the only two Kentucky players drafted this year. Obviously this doesn't take into account non-draft eligible players, but its safe to say that all of these other programs had more underclassman talent than Kentucky as well. This also highlights how much offensive support that Stroud had. He clearly had the best OL in the country and was throwing the ball to some serious playmakers.

[RiverDog]

I really hope we take a C, that has been a weak spot. The two top guys generally are considered to be Wypler from Ohio State and Schmitz from Minnesota, probably both 2nd round guys.

If the top to D guys aren't there, then I could see us going down the board a ways to pick up some more draft capital. Still intrigued by Tyree Wilson, but a Myles Murphy could also be in play, and then go interior later. There is some talent there in the 2nd round as well in Dexter (FL) - 6'6" and 313, and Ika from Baylor is a genuine nose tackle, 6'4" and 358.

I'm right there with you about a center, but I don't think we'll have to spend a first rounder. The 2nd rounder we got from Denver, the #36 overall, should yield the best center on the board.

I also like trading out of the top 5 if Stroud is gone, as I expect will be the case.

[Old but Slow]

cBob, you are on it as usual. Van Pram, the Georgia center may be among the best in a long time. He will almost certainly go in the first round. I would not be unhappy if we took him with our native pick. Besides him, Michal-Schmitz, Tippman, Stromberg, Oluwatami, and Wypler are all worthy of 2d or 3d round picks. It is actually a good year for the position, with several big, strong boys. But, Van Pram stands alone.

[govandals]

You might want to revisit Levis and usually I'm on the same page about players skipping bowl games, but I do think it was justified with Levis. His safety was at risk every time he dropped back to pass. He was sacked 42 times this year. CJ Stroud (who I like) was sacked 8 times and Stetson Bennett was sacked 7 times. If you watched the Championship game you saw Bennett having all of the time in the world to throw. Levis had a first year OC who got fired at the end of the season. Lets see how many draft day 1 and 2 offensive players CJ Stroud was playing with vs. Levis. Another thing to factor in is that Levis had a TERRIBLE OL and was playing in the SEC. Let's put Stroud on Kentucky and Levis on Ohio State and see what their stats look like.

Here are the ranked 2023 draft prospects on a few QB's schools that we have been talking about (offensive players in bold):

Kentucy: LEVIS 7, RB 128, C 456, OLB 569, G 597

Alabama: YOUNG 1, LB 2, CB 26, LB 29, RB 36, CB 42, S 59, G 75, DT 78, TE 126, DL 160, WR 170, S 182, OT 216, RB 283, LB 313, C 365, C 436, DL 601

Georgia: DT 3, CB 14, OLB 18, OT 20, TE 49, C 81, CB 98, S 102, RB 133, BENNETT 141, OLB 205, C 227, OLB 313, C 359, WR 391, OT 443, WR 504, DL 519, CB 611

Florida: G 38, RICHARDSON 52, DT 53, S 76, LB 113, DL 127, OLB 159, CB 163, CB 230, CB 256, LB 281, LB 286, WR 312, C 421, G 473, TE 613

Ohio State: STROUD 8, OT 17, WR 24, DE 53, OT 63, C 72, CB 103, S 110, S 166, C 184, LB 204, C 210, WR 212, G 304, LB 309, TE 326, K 383, LB 427, LB 444, DT 521, LB 556

I mean this clearly highlights the lack of talent that Levis was playing with. Him and the Running Back may be the only two Kentucky players drafted this year. Obviously this doesn't take into account non-draft eligible players, but its safe to say that all of these other programs had more underclassman talent than Kentucky as well. This also highlights how much offensive support that Stroud had. He clearly had the best OL in the country and was throwing the ball to some serious playmakers.

Excellent post.

[TriCitySam]

I'm right there with you about a center, but I don't think we'll have to spend a first rounder. The 2nd rounder we got from Denver, the #36 overall, should yield the best center on the board.

I also like trading out of the top 5 if Stroud is gone, as I expect will be the case.

I think that's what I said, too 2 guys(maybe 3) are 2nd rounders.

[govandals]

Levis ? No thanks . Injury prone , not great numbers and most important by 100 miles he abandoned his team by skipping his bowl game .
There’s no I in team and his team had a game left . No thank you . Hell no . I don’t want any guy at any position who abandons his team . He will do it to us someday .

Lots of players skip bowl games nowadays. The risk of losing out on millions of dollars if injured is huge. I'd skip out, I bet you would too. I get Levis has been nicked up and missed a few games, but's a stretch to label him as injury prone at this point in his career. I encourage you watch a few of Levis' complete games, not youtube highlights, but complete games. I think he's gonna be a star in the NFL after a few years.

[Hawktawk]

Ok well I don’t want bowl skipping players period . It’s a character flaw

[Hawktawk]

Levis ? No thanks . Injury prone , not great numbers and most important by 100 miles he abandoned his team by skipping his bowl game .
There’s no I in team and his team had a game left . No thank you . Hell no . I don’t want any guy at any position who abandons his team . He will do it to us someday .

Lots of players skip bowl games nowadays. The risk of losing out on millions of dollars if injured is huge. I'd skip out, I bet you would too. I get Levis has been nicked up and missed a few games, but's a stretch to label him as injury prone at this point in his career. I encourage you watch a few of Levis' complete games, not youtube highlights, but complete games. I think he's gonna be a star in the NFL after a few years.[/quote]

I wouldn’t skip out . You don’t know me . I’ve stayed in terrible situations as a golf course supe rather than bail in august for greener pastures . Never did . Gave 2 weeks notice and worked as hard as ever afterwards a few times . It’s a work ethic . It’s supporting your team . I don’t give a good god damn how bad the line is . Geno probably got sacked 45 times and hit 200 and threw 30 TDs . It’s the show . This guys 7-6 19 TDs 10 picks and banged up constantly skipping hie bowl game and people want him .
I have a high school friend Ron Cox who was a 6’7” 3 sport stud who played at eastern and was drafted by the cavaliers before blowing his knee . He had also been offered a contract by Seattle Seahawks to play tight end . He spent his career coaching numerous championship HS teams both boys and girls . We had a little discussion on FB about the issue of skipping bowl games and he completely agreed with me . No way . If they all start doing it we gotta draft them but until then no way .

[mykc14]

Ok well I don’t want bowl skipping players period . It’s a character flaw

That's fine and a hard line stance like this would make you a terrible GM and seems pretty stupid, but OK. So you wouldn't want Brandon Aiyuke, Deebo Samuel, Christian McCaffrey, Trevon Diggs, Kyle Pitts, Bradley Chubb, Jaire Alexander, Derwin James, or Andrew Thomas. I guess we should probably cut Kenneth Walker, Tre Brown, Charles Cross, Abraham Lucas, Noah Fant, abd Tariq Woolen.

Yep all of those guys are un-draftable because they decided to skip their respective bowl games, a huge red flag- major character flaws!!

That's just a quick list I found. I'm sure there are dozens more high profile players who share this terrible character flaw and wouldn't be allowed to play on Hawktalk's team.

[mykc14]

I have a high school friend Ron Cox who was a 6’7” 3 sport stud who played at eastern and was drafted by the cavaliers before blowing his knee . He had also been offered a contract by Seattle Seahawks to play tight end . He spent his career coaching numerous championship HS teams both boys and girls . We had a little discussion on FB about the issue of skipping bowl games and he completely agreed with me . No way . If they all start doing it we gotta draft them but until then no way .

Well, sh1t, you didn't mention Ron Cox agreed with you. Had I known your buddy Ron Cox was against this I wouldn't have even questioned your stance. Now that I know your buddy, Ron Cox, also doesn't want us drafting players who skipped their bowl games I guess I will concede the point. I'm gonna send PC and JS a a quick email letting them know that Ron Cox wants us to steer clear of Levis and that we should probably look for replacements for a number of our good younger players. I'll get on that.

[mykc14]

This guys 7-6 19 TDs 10 picks and banged up constantly skipping hie bowl game and people want him .
.

Josh Allen's stats his senior year. 56% completion 1,800 yards 16 TD's and 6 INT's Y/A 6.3. He missed two starts due of injury.

Will Levi's stats his senior year. 65% completion 2,500 yards 19 TD's and 10 INT's Y/A 8.4.

I don't think anybody would be upset if we had Josh Allen under center right now. I understand the stats don't "wow" you but the guy was playing injured, with a serious lack of talent in the best conference in the country, against the best defenses in the country, and you aren't even willing to consider him? Seems short sighted.

[RiverDog]

I have a high school friend Ron Cox who was a 6’7” 3 sport stud who played at eastern and was drafted by the cavaliers before blowing his knee . He had also been offered a contract by Seattle Seahawks to play tight end . He spent his career coaching numerous championship HS teams both boys and girls . We had a little discussion on FB about the issue of skipping bowl games and he completely agreed with me . No way . If they all start doing it we gotta draft them but until then no way .

Well, sh1t, you didn't mention Ron Cox agreed with you. Had I known your buddy Ron Cox was against this I wouldn't have even questioned your stance. Now that I know your buddy, Ron Cox, also doesn't want us drafting players who skipped their bowl games I guess I will concede the point. I'm gonna send PC and JS a a quick email letting them know that Ron Cox wants us to steer clear of Levis and that we should probably look for replacements for a number of our good younger players. I'll get on that.

I never knew him personally, but Ron Cox and I were classmates at Eastern back in the mid 70's. Fantastic small school BB player, great rebounder and nice touch from 15' and in. He was likely a little short for the pros, listed at 6'6" but that was stretching it, 6'7" is a complete lie, like saying Russell Wilson is 6'0". He was a very good pivot man in small college, a genuine All American, but would have had to play as a power forward facing the basket at the next level.

[Aseahawkfan]

Well, sh1t, you didn't mention Ron Cox agreed with you. Had I known your buddy Ron Cox was against this I wouldn't have even questioned your stance. Now that I know your buddy, Ron Cox, also doesn't want us drafting players who skipped their bowl games I guess I will concede the point. I'm gonna send PC and JS a a quick email letting them know that Ron Cox wants us to steer clear of Levis and that we should probably look for replacements for a number of our good younger players. I'll get on that.

I'm sure Ron Cox was a great guy, but this is funny.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="mykc14"

Josh Allen's stats his senior year. 56% completion 1,800 yards 16 TD's and 6 INT's Y/A 6.3. He missed two starts due of injury.

Will Levi's stats his senior year. 65% completion 2,500 yards 19 TD's and 10 INT's Y/A 8.4.

I don't think anybody would be upset if we had Josh Allen under center right now. I understand the stats don't "wow" you but the guy was playing injured, with a serious lack of talent in the best conference in the country, against the best defenses in the country, and you aren't even willing to consider him? Seems short sighted.[/quote]

Well looks like I shart the bed on this one. As I've said I'm not a college or draft guru and frankly I had no idea so many guy's were skipping out now. I will say some of those skipper names names have had injury issues in the pros. \

But I'm wrong about this in the current college environment, obviously. Im old school, old period and my friend Ron is older. I think we have the right idea but apparently the horse is out of the barn.

As for Levis I really haven't seen much of the guy. Its just when people are whining about him being sacked 40 times and thats why hes hurt or whatever. Its a concern.

If hes Josh Allen I'm all over that. Fortunately its Pete and John who already took all the bowl skipping slackers who will decide this year too

[RiverDog]

Well looks like I shart the bed on this one. As I've said I'm not a college or draft guru and frankly I had no idea so many guy's were skipping out now. I will say some of those skipper names names have had injury issues in the pros. \

But I'm wrong about this in the current college environment, obviously. Im old school, old period and my friend Ron is older. I think we have the right idea but apparently the horse is out of the barn.

As for Levis I really haven't seen much of the guy. Its just when people are whining about him being sacked 40 times and thats why hes hurt or whatever. Its a concern.

If hes Josh Allen I'm all over that. Fortunately its Pete and John who already took all the bowl skipping slackers who will decide this year too

The NCAA has done the same thing to their bowl system as the NFL is doing with their playoffs: They've expanded it to such a degree that they're virtually meaningless. They've completely destroyed the NYD games that everyone used to be so excited to participate in. Now, unless your team is fortunate enough to be in the 4 team playoff, no one gives a rip about a bowl game. That's one of the reasons why so many players are skipping them.

Mykc is right. There are LOTS of players that skip their school's bowl game, and their coaches, administrators, and fans don't give a rip.