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[NorthHawk]

So why do you bother with it if you believe that?

[RiverDog]

Ill say it one more time and then its getting nasty .THERE IS NOTHING OTHERWISE ABOUT MY INTELLIGENCE. Maybe you're describing yourself . Its not got a god damn thing to do with fake elections and fake moon landings. Stop the insults.

It wasn't an insult, or at least it wasn't intended to be that way. As a matter of fact, I was trying to give you compliment in that I consider you an intelligent guy. There are also some very intelligent people that believe in stolen elections and fake moon landings. Bottom line is that a belief in these types of conspiracies is not necessarily a reflection of their intelligence.

It's only my opinion, but I see a lot of parallels between believing that a conspiracy exists in the NFL and that the 2020 election was rigged. Both require no evidence to foster such a belief, only a very intense suspicion. IMO it's a completely fair analogy.

[Hawktawk]

So why do you bother with it if you believe that?

I told you . Why do you live in a fantasy land ?

[Hawktawk]

It wasn't an insult, or at least it wasn't intended to be that way. As a matter of fact, I was trying to give you compliment in that I consider you an intelligent guy. There are also some very intelligent people that believe in stolen elections and fake moon landings. Bottom line is that a belief in these types of conspiracies is not necessarily a reflection of their intelligence.

It's only my opinion, but I see a lot of parallels between believing that a conspiracy exists in the NFL and that the 2020 election was rigged. Both require no evidence to foster such a belief, only a very intense suspicion.

Your analogy is ridiculous . There’s plenty of evidence of games being manipulated and even KJ can admit it . A better analogy would be you also believing politicians and lawyers are honest . Xl was a joke and now a bookie is on the record . The Commanders were pushed from the end zone to the 6 by an unethical trick by a head linesmen and 2 plays later a defender completely wraps up a receiver long before the balls there . No call . See River once a team figures out they are the fortunate son they just foul at will . Like Dee Jay getting tackled last year at So Fi as the ball hit the guy in the back . Then the absolutely non existent hold on Ahmadi to extend a drive on 3rd down in a fairly close game . They got huge breaks on the final drive in the super bowl .
I think there should be an investigation of this claim by this bookie from the bay are and go from there . Good luck .

There’s plenty that can be done to improve the integrity and fairness of the game and NONE OF IT IS.

[RiverDog]

Your analogy is ridiculous . There’s plenty of evidence of games being manipulated and even KJ can admit it . A better analogy would be you also believing politicians and lawyers are honest . Xl was a joke and now a bookie is on the record . The Commanders were pushed from the end zone to the 6 by an unethical trick by a head linesmen and 2 plays later a defender completely wraps up a receiver long before the balls there . No call . See River once a team figures out they are the fortunate son they just foul at will . Like Dee Jay getting tackled last year at So Fi as the ball hit the guy in the back . Then the absolutely non existent hold on Ahmadi to extend a drive on 3rd down in a fairly close game . They got huge breaks on the final drive in the super bowl .
I think there should be an investigation of this claim by this bookie from the bay are and go from there . Good luck .

There’s plenty that can be done to improve the integrity and fairness of the game and NONE OF IT IS.

All of your evidence is circumstantial. There is nothing to tie the bad calls you described into some sort of manipulation by the league, no cryptic messages from a league official to a ref, no witnesses to a conversation, no deathbed confessions, no emails, nothing. If you were to bring it before a judge, he or she would throw it out so fast it would make your head spin.

That's what it has in common with stolen elections.

[Hawktawk]

. There’s clear evidence of manipulation , a gambler who went on a public radio station to say he had a former client who officiated XL and that he believed they were obviously cheating . The story made it to Seattle sports radio . I think it’s sensational .
The end of the Commanders game was manipulated to guarantee a win for the Giants . Obviously . I have eyes to see.

XL was the gold standard . The non call at the end of the saints rams NFC championship should have drawn a congressional investigation of the league . Some lawmakers called for it . XL was far worse .

Zero trust . But it’s occasional . Our 5 most convincing wins have all involved clean officiating on both sides . It’s a fact river
Every NFC South game involved questionable officiating . Munich made flexing the pack look like child’s play .
But you go ahead and bury your head in the sand . Goodell loves guys like you .

[Aseahawkfan]

Refs cannot guarantee a win or loss. That's just horsecrap. They have no idea what's going to happen during a game whether injuries or a player playing bad. Penalties are a small part of the game that fans complain about to make themselves feel better when their team sucks or can't get it done.

[RiverDog]

Refs cannot guarantee a win or loss. That's just horsecrap. They have no idea what's going to happen during a game whether injuries or a player playing bad. Penalties are a small part of the game that fans complain about to make themselves feel better when their team sucks or can't get it done.

That's the truth. There are too many variables for a gambler or anyone else to place a significant sum of money on a game that had dirty refs.

And as I keep asking but never getting an answer to: What's in it for the refs?

There was a huge bias in the officiating of XL. IMO the fact that the crowd was pro Pittsburgh and it was Jerome Bettis's homecoming had a lot to do with it. Pittsburgh is the same distance from Detroit as Seattle is from Spokane. But after 17 years, I have yet to see any evidence that the officiating blunders were the result of some sort of organized conspiracy. That's why I put it out there with the fake moon landings and the stolen election. Where's the beef?

[Aseahawkfan]

That's the truth. There are too many variables for a gambler or anyone else to place a significant sum of money on a game that had dirty refs.

And as I keep asking but never getting an answer to: What's in it for the refs?

There was a huge bias in the officiating of XL. IMO the fact that the crowd was pro Pittsburgh and it was Jerome Bettis's homecoming had a lot to do with it. Pittsburgh is the same distance from Detroit as Seattle is from Spokane. But after 17 years, I have yet to see any evidence that the officiating blunders were the result of some sort of organized conspiracy. That's why I put it out there with the fake moon landings and the stolen election. Where's the beef?

I hated the officiating as well. But it was still a tight game and our team collapsed under the pressure of the penalties and the magnitude of the game. Second half gave them plenty of time to come back. They just couldn't manage it. And I don't see any trophy given to us for bad officiating. It makes us look like a bunch of whiners.

[NorthHawk]

I still don't get the motivation to continue to watch and support a sport that they believe is fixed.
When asked why he continued to watch, he listed why he thinks it's no on the up and up, but not why he continues to watch.
A different type of person than me, I guess as I tune out things that I don't think are fair and if I thought the games were fixed I wouldn't come anywhere near to supporting that sport.

[Hawktawk]

Refs cannot guarantee a win or loss. That's just horsecrap. They have no idea what's going to happen during a game whether injuries or a player playing bad. Penalties are a small part of the game that fans complain about to make themselves feel better when their team sucks or can't get it done.

I didn’t say they can “ guarantee a win “ by actions for 60 minutes . They clearly deliberately influence “ manipulate “ games AT TIMES.
Xl was deliberately rigged . Obviously . We had a TD and a first down on the 1 taken off the board , a kick return of over 40 yards , several first downs in the red zone taken away . We lost 187 yards in total offense . Still we had more yards , more first downs and more time of posession. Almost every time we threatened to score or did score it was a flag . Meanwhile the no calls on Pittsburgh were epic throughout the game .
There was a worldwide outcry . But it was 17 years ago .
I have a memory like a Fn elephant. If we win 10 that game proved to me forever they this league will fix or manipulate a game . Or maybe it’s this gambler ref the bookie talks about reffing Xl.


And if it’s a close game they can really influence it at the end , determine the winner .

That was commanders . Only an idiot can look at the final sequence and not see it . Willing idiot maybe but an idiot nonetheless .

And in a Fg league just shut up about overcoming everything . Should not have to overcome bias . The 2019 NO saints were a obvious foul from running out the clock , kicking a GWFG . Refs DECIDED not to flag what’s been called the worst no call in playoff history . 5 years later there’s no mechanism in place to remedy it . But yeah a league that covers for Dan Schneider , Jerry Jones and lied about concussion data for decades has it all on the up and up when it comes to billion dollars depending on outcomes .
Really get tired of scouts riding with the cavalry telling me I’m the blind one .
Goodell LOVES you kind of guys .

[Hawktawk]

I still don't get the motivation to continue to watch and support a sport that they believe is fixed.
When asked why he continued to watch, he listed why he thinks it's no on the up and up, but not why he continues to watch.
A different type of person than me, I guess as I tune out things that I don't think are fair and if I thought the games were fixed I wouldn't come anywhere near to supporting that sport.

BS
I currently continue to watch because I have for 50 years . I said that . I’ve loved my hawks from day one . I almost turned it off after the saints game in week 5. I may still . But I will not be forced into the same false choice you lemmings who are ok with NFL officiating or favoritism .
I’d like 10 seconds in the octagon with goodell . He’s really screwed up the game .

[NorthHawk]

Like I said different type of person than me.
It's almost 60 years for me and if I thought it wasn't fair, and wasn't just bad refereeing, I'd drop it like a hot potato and not look back.

[Stream Hawk]

That's the truth. There are too many variables for a gambler or anyone else to place a significant sum of money on a game that had dirty refs.

And as I keep asking but never getting an answer to: What's in it for the refs?

There was a huge bias in the officiating of XL. IMO the fact that the crowd was pro Pittsburgh and it was Jerome Bettis's homecoming had a lot to do with it. Pittsburgh is the same distance from Detroit as Seattle is from Spokane. But after 17 years, I have yet to see any evidence that the officiating blunders were the result of some sort of organized conspiracy. That's why I put it out there with the fake moon landings and the stolen election. Where's the beef?

Wow, it has been 17 years already?! Dang that makes me feel old! I remember being so distraught after XL about the refs. In fact, for years I was convinced it was rigged. The older I get, the more I blame that loss on Steven's drops, Hasselbeck's lukewarm performance, and Manuel's injury. However, a few of those calls still eat at me. I still don't know if Ben got in, and he likely would have scored on the next play from an inch out. D-Jack did push off, it just isn't always called. Locklear did hold; holding can be called on any play, but NOT in that situation. I was convinced SA would have run in on the next play, putting us in the lead. I always thought that team would be back, but that was clearly their beacon.

Regarding this scheduling controversy. The Hawks put themselves in a vulnerable position. This year any win is a bonus, and we were rolling at 6-3, but clearly this team is flawed. We don't deserve the playoffs. The biggest benefit to this year is Denver's gift that keeps on giving. I am more frustrated with the Balt/Cinci game being scheduled before the Broncos/Charger game. If Cinci wins (which they will especially with the Hamlin motivation) then LA will sit their starters. Chicago will also likely get beat by Minnnesota. So our pick will most assuredly beomome the 5th. That could be a huge deal with the talent drop off from 2/3 to 5.

[Agent 86]

I was thinking today that at first it does seem "unfair" to Seahawks fans that the Lions players could have a "letdown" heading into their game knowing they're eliminated if the Seahawks take care of business. Definitely a factor in the game. But as many have said, even though they could be emotionally let down, those players will still be ready to play at least the role of spoilers against their division rival.

And the bonus is for us fans is that if the Seahawks do win, we get an hour or two of real excitement leading into the Sunday nighter. We will be full of hope and hype and once the game begins we can solely concentrate on that outcome.

If their game was at the same time, we wouldn't be able to watch it fully, and if we do win, our hopes could already be dashed if the Packers were handily winning as well. Or we could win, and 5 minutes later the Packers could win and our excitement would be short lived.

I think I prefer it this way, and as long as we take care of business, we will get added excitement Sunday evening.

[Hawktawk]

Sad . After the DJack call Irvin who was commentating said if that’s a foul I’d never have caught a ball . Chris hope us grabbing cloth from the 10 in and is holding DJack who merely gets off an obvious hold and catches the first TD of the game .
Seattle was called for holding 4 times , one by big Walt I’m pretty sure . They had none . They had three penalties . 2 false starts on a 3 and out drive . 1 opi inside the 10 on a drive that was extended by Heinz ward grabbing a defender by the face mask and bending his head backwards to get open on 3rd and 9. Not only did Lockear not hold but Clark Haggins is at least a yard offsides “ Shaun wasn’t bad there “ saud the late john madden . Brian Baldingers in game analysis “ terrible call , the guys offsides “

So from the one it’s the 30 now . first and 20 SA is gone , for sure a first maybe a touch . The biggest mouth , flag magnet on the planet Joey Porter blatantly and severely horse collars the league MVP right in front of the same guy that flagged Dj.

Madden and Michaels called it “ that sure looks a lot like a horse collar but they probably aren’t going to call that” nervous laughter .

Next play Haggins is even further offsides and sacks Hasslebeck . Next play Hass cracks and throws the pick . He makes the tackle and is called for a low block setting Pittsburgh up near the 50 . A 5 play sequence involving referees decisions on every play . A 14 point swing .

I could go on . There’s lots more . Nobody talks about the no calls . They were as huge as the calls .
You want to blame the best team in the league in 2005 for getting bent over like no other go for it . I’ll never join you . Rapistburger had 2 picks and a rating of 22, the worst ever qbr for a winning team . If they let us play we would have lapped them .

[RiverDog]

Regarding this scheduling controversy. The Hawks put themselves in a vulnerable position. This year any win is a bonus, and we were rolling at 6-3, but clearly this team is flawed. We don't deserve the playoffs. The biggest benefit to this year is Denver's gift that keeps on giving. I am more frustrated with the Balt/Cinci game being scheduled before the Broncos/Charger game. If Cinci wins (which they will especially with the Hamlin motivation) then LA will sit their starters. Chicago will also likely get beat by Minnnesota. So our pick will most assuredly beomome the 5th. That could be a huge deal with the talent drop off from 2/3 to 5.

Since I got the Red Zone, it doesn't really matter to me which game is being televised nationally, at least not those in the first two time slots. I'll be streaming the Hawks on my tablet and watching Red Zone on my big screen.

I wouldn't make the assumption that there's such a huge talent drop off from 2/3 to 5. Each draft class is different, and of course, it all depends on what the teams picking ahead of us do. Besides, we have to keep it in context. At the beginning of the year, would anyone had thought that we would be picking in the top 5?

IMO the Chargers were likely going to rest a number of their starters regardless of the outcome of the Ravens/Bengals, although if the Ravens win, they'll likely pull back even further on the throttle.