Hackett just got fired

[c_hawkbob]

I hate Hairball, I'd love for him to go to Denver.

[TriCitySam]

Nevertheless, opportunities like this one don't come around every day. Bruce Arians, for example, got his big break as an interim head coach. Even if it's only a couple of days, it's something that he can put on his resume that most others can't.

Makes a lot of sense to me that the DC didn't want to be put in a losing position like his friend Hackett was put in. Granted it's only a couple weeks - maybe he said "get RW's people out of the building and let me run this." That would impress me. I want a leader, not a follower.

[NorthHawk]

I hate Hairball, I'd love for him to go to Denver.

There's actually been some talk about Denver going after Hairball.
It might just be rumors but why not? He's been a successful NFL coach and some say he wants to win a SB to match his brother.
We'll know more after the Bowl season ends.

[Hawktawk]

Russ did make a statement that he wished he had played better for Hackett , that his play hasn’t met his expectations this year . Kudos. It’s a good start .

[RiverDog]

Russ did make a statement that he wished he had played better for Hackett , that his play hasn’t met his expectations this year . Kudos. It’s a good start .

Yeah, but he's still taking a lot of flack for due to the wording of his statement. Here's exactly what he said:

“First of all, obviously, devastated about Coach Hackett because I think he’s an amazing man, amazing teacher, amazing father, watching him with his kids, and what he’s been able to do and how he’s taught the game for us,” Wilson said. “This season has been a season we never thought was going to happen the way it did. He was a guy who put all of his time and all of his effort into us as players, as staff members, everybody, coaches as well. I think he’s an amazing coach, one of the brighter minds I’ve been around.”

“It’s been a crazy season, tons of injuries, tons of everything else, but the reality is I wish I could’ve played better for him,” Wilson said. “I wish I could’ve played at the standard and level that I’ve always played at and know how to play at. So what I do know is he’s resilient, he’s going to be a tremendous coach like I said, and I love him to death and everybody misses him, for sure.”

There are fans out there that are picking apart that statement, say that he's making excuses by noting tons of injuries and is patronizing himself by saying that he's "played at the standard and level that I've always played at and know how to play at."

He needs to just stop at "crazy season" without mentioning the injuries and said something like "I wish I could have played better" and not talk about his past level of play. Noting his past "level of play" has become an irritant to Denver fans.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ed-better/

[Hawktawk]

Yeah I dunno . It’s sounding more like the kiss of death he gave Schottie , great coach , great family man etc. Russ can’t win right now unless he starts winning games . His cornball act is unbearable , unwatchable . Open to destruction in the Twitter verse when he loses . I thought he had to say something so I credit him for that . The injury stuff is just making excuses . Everyone’s injured . That roster minus Fant was 5 ppg better with Drew Lock at qb last year .

We all need to accept the man’s personality is what it is . It’s not going to change and it annoys a surprising amount of people . Same could be said for other star QBs but they are producing . When they aren’t everyone will be sick of their act too.
Russ has to win more then ever if he cares at all which I’m not sure he does . It’s got to start with getting himself back in condition and go from there .

[obiken]

No, too many mistakes and bad decisions that were out of Russ's control. No question Russ has to cowboy up, put his big boy pants on and run if the lanes are open but with a good veteran coach things will get a lot better.

[c_hawkbob]

“It’s been a crazy season, tons of injuries, tons of everything else, but the reality is I wish I could’ve played better for him,” Wilson said. “I wish I could’ve played at the standard and level that I’ve always played at and know how to play at. So what I do know is he’s resilient, he’s going to be a tremendous coach like I said, and I love him to death and everybody misses him, for sure.”

There are fans out there that are picking apart that statement, say that he's making excuses by noting tons of injuries and is patronizing himself by saying that he's "played at the standard and level that I've always played at and know how to play at."

He needs to just stop at "crazy season" without mentioning the injuries and said something like "I wish I could have played better" and not talk about his past level of play. Noting his past "level of play" has become an irritant to Denver fans.

There is nothing at all wrong with that statement. Those that are "picking it apart" wouldn't be happy if he'd said everything was totally his fault, begged forgiveness and even opened a vein in his wrist right there on camera as a blood sacrifice to appease them.

[Hawktawk]

I agree Bob . He can’t win . I wasn’t terribly bothered by it . It’s Russ speak because Russ said it but he took some ownership . He had to say something .

[RiverDog]

“It’s been a crazy season, tons of injuries, tons of everything else, but the reality is I wish I could’ve played better for him,” Wilson said. “I wish I could’ve played at the standard and level that I’ve always played at and know how to play at. So what I do know is he’s resilient, he’s going to be a tremendous coach like I said, and I love him to death and everybody misses him, for sure.”

There are fans out there that are picking apart that statement, say that he's making excuses by noting tons of injuries and is patronizing himself by saying that he's "played at the standard and level that I've always played at and know how to play at."

He needs to just stop at "crazy season" without mentioning the injuries and said something like "I wish I could have played better" and not talk about his past level of play. Noting his past "level of play" has become an irritant to Denver fans.

There is nothing at all wrong with that statement. Those that are "picking it apart" wouldn't be happy if he'd said everything was totally his fault, begged forgiveness and even opened a vein in his wrist right there on camera as a blood sacrifice to appease them.

I agree, I don't have a problem with it, either. But that's not how a large number of his fans, both past and present, are seeing it. It's not just those that wouldn't be happy no matter what he says. It includes some very rational, clear-thinking fans, perhaps even Russ's teammates.

Here's an example of a comment from another forum I frequent that I felt does a good job of summarizing the problems with that statement that doesn't use a lot of colorful metaphors or inflammatory language:

I love how he has to qualify injuries and "tons of everything else" before taking ownership over his own play.

This is a good example of his tone deafness. This would have been a fantastic opportunity to not deflect, but to take all of the blame (even if there are other factors like injuries which is more of an obvious factor that doesn't need to be said) which a leader should do. It's not as petulant as Zack Wilson's comment when asked if his craptastic performance affected the game's outcome or whatever ("No.") weeks back, but it still is an awfully clear illustration that he refuses to accept that he isn't the QB he once was or thinks himself as.

I think that the comment about being a leader and taking ownership of his team's performance by acknowledging his unqualified poor play is spot on. A good leader will accept responsibility even if it isn't all or even mostly his or her fault. He shouldn't have said a word about injuries and 'tons of everything else.' Just say I let the team and the coach down and leave it at that.

Russell is extremely conscious of his image, and right now, it sucks. If he wants to rehabilitate it, he needs to choose his words a little more carefully.

[Hawktawk]

The “ devastated “ comment seems a bit disengenuous .

[Hawktawk]

I found it interesting not only that the DC wanted no part of the interim job but that his reported reason was his friendship with Hackett . Also interesting is that the firing of the ST coach and o
Line coach were done by the interim coach . Not sure I’ve heard of a similar situation with an interim guy firing coaches with 2 games to play . If nothing else he’s no nonsense . Hopefully he’s not the second coming of Vince Lombardi these last 2 weeks

[RiverDog]

The “ devastated “ comment seems a bit disengenuous .

I'm a little confused. Why would being "devastated" that your head coach got fired be disingenuous?

[Hawktawk]

I don’t get you River .
You share a lengthy post about what’s wrong with Russels statement and I say “ devestated “ is a big disingenuous and I’m piling on ? Maybe a better word would be hyperbole .
It reminds me of when Schottie got whacked . Loose quote “ he’s a great coordinator , we scored a lot of points together. He will be a great head coach someday , great friend , brother in Christ “ . Not exactly worded but basically what was said . After the trade it was leaked that it was Wilson’s camp that wanted him fired .

Yeah I’m a hater I suppose but if I had to venture a guess on Russels true feelings he wanted Hackett gone and is delighted it happened .
But he had to make a statement . The fact it took a day speaks to the authenticity of his devastation . Maybe he was in mourning

[RiverDog]

I don’t get you River .
You share a lengthy post about what’s wrong with Russels statement and I say “ devestated “ is a big disingenuous and I’m piling on ? Maybe a better word would be hyperbole .
It reminds me of when Schottie got whacked . Loose quote “ he’s a great coordinator , we scored a lot of points together. He will be a great head coach someday , great friend , brother in Christ “ . Not exactly worded but basically what was said . After the trade it was leaked that it was Wilson’s camp that wanted him fired .

Yeah I’m a hater I suppose but if I had to venture a guess on Russels true feelings he wanted Hackett gone and is delighted it happened .
But he had to make a statement . The fact it took a day speaks to the authenticity of his devastation . Maybe he was in mourning

So you think that Russell wanted to or didn't care that Hackett got fired, and the fact that he didn't make a public statement for a day is proof?

[Hawktawk]

I have no idea Russell’s true feelings but clearly someone had to take the fall and Russ isn’t too good at it .

Like I say what’s your beef ? Nobody knows his mind but we have a track record here , very similar situation to his comments regarding Schottie .

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn someday that Wilson requested the move after being benched for the first time . Who knows . All I’m saying to you river is it’s ridiculous to be posting novels on what was wrong with the statement then try to pick a fight with me over a tenth of the commentary . Why ?

[RiverDog]

All I’m saying to you river is it’s ridiculous to be posting novels on what was wrong with the statement then try to pick a fight with me over a tenth of the commentary . Why ?

I wasn't picking a fight with you. As a matter of fact, on this subject I agree with you more than I disagree.

Your 'disingenuous' statement caught me by surprise. I've read and heard a lot of people react to Russell's statement about the Hackett firing, and you're the only one that I've read to have made that connection. It was an honest question. I didn't even say that you were wrong, I was just trying to summarize your opinion.

Over on the other forum that I post in, there's a whole lot of people that are attacking Russell for his statement following the firing of Hackett. There is much less love for him in there than there is within our little group, and although I've been defensive of Russell more than most that care to comment, to a certain extent, I had to agree with some of what they were saying as I pointed out in my reply to C-bob.

IMO Russell seems to have isolated himself, apparently unaware that a good portion of the fan bases both here and in Denver are like you and can't stand him. Otherwise, he'd refrain from making statements that could be interpreted as being selfish or refusing to take full responsibility for the failures of his team this season.

Supposedly, he has some close friends or advisors, ie his "Team 3", that you would think would point out to him some of the criticism as it is very widespread and has been getting louder as the season has worn on. It would be one thing if he got caught by surprise in an impromptu news conference like a post game presser, but these were remarks that he had some time to think about. As you pointed out, he had over a day to think about them.

[Aseahawkfan]

There is nothing at all wrong with that statement. Those that are "picking it apart" wouldn't be happy if he'd said everything was totally his fault, begged forgiveness and even opened a vein in his wrist right there on camera as a blood sacrifice to appease them.

Yep. Like c-bob said, Russ can't do anything right right now. There's just a contingent of media in the NFL that wants to use him as a piñata until they can't or he retires.

[RiverDog]

There is nothing at all wrong with that statement. Those that are "picking it apart" wouldn't be happy if he'd said everything was totally his fault, begged forgiveness and even opened a vein in his wrist right there on camera as a blood sacrifice to appease them.

Yep. Like c-bob said, Russ can't do anything right right now. There's just a contingent of media in the NFL that wants to use him as a piñata until they can't or he retires.

I agree, he can't do anything right and won't until he starts playing better and his team starts winning. But you're kidding yourself if you think that it's limited to "just a contingent of the media". There is a very large part of his fan base, both here and especially in Denver, that want to use Russell as a piñata.

There are a lot of fans out there that make Hawktawk look like a Russell Wilson brown noser.

[TriCitySam]

If the belief is that Russ is being treated unfairly, I would disagree. He earned it. His play and attitude is a significant part in the Broncos demise and the firing of Hackett. The road to recovery will require he lose "Team 3" and become a fully functioning teammate, void of special treatment and a coach who is fully empowered.

[Aseahawkfan]

If the belief is that Russ is being treated unfairly, I would disagree. He earned it. His play and attitude is a significant part in the Broncos demise and the firing of Hackett. The road to recovery will require he lose "Team 3" and become a fully functioning teammate, void of special treatment and a coach who is fully empowered.

I don't think he's earned all the talk about his character. His play, sure. The Team 3 stuff is just you speculating. He had a team when he won Super Bowls and went to the playoffs and when he didn't. If he were winning, we wouldn't even be hearing this stuff. When someone is doing bad, people pile on. Nature of human beings. Only people Russ can count is his family and friends, everyone else is just a fair weather fan or associate saying good things when things are going good and piling on when they're going bad. Just like yourself who was probably good with Russ when he was here winning Super Bowls and taking us to the playoffs and now you're piling on now that he's gone and having troubles.

That's why athletes listen too much to the fans or media. They're not there for you in the good and bad times or after you leave the sport. They only want one thing and when things are going bad, they'll crap all over you and call for your head. Same thing will happen to Pete or John or Geno or any player or coach if things aren't going well by a fan base who mostly don't care about their well being or personal character.

[RiverDog]

If the belief is that Russ is being treated unfairly, I would disagree. He earned it. His play and attitude is a significant part in the Broncos demise and the firing of Hackett. The road to recovery will require he lose "Team 3" and become a fully functioning teammate, void of special treatment and a coach who is fully empowered.

I don't think he's earned all the talk about his character. His play, sure. The Team 3 stuff is just you speculating. He had a team when he won Super Bowls and went to the playoffs and when he didn't. If he were winning, we wouldn't even be hearing this stuff. When someone is doing bad, people pile on. Nature of human beings. Only people Russ can count is his family and friends, everyone else is just a fair weather fan or associate saying good things when things are going good and piling on when they're going bad. Just like yourself who was probably good with Russ when he was here winning Super Bowls and taking us to the playoffs and now you're piling on now that he's gone and having troubles.

That's why athletes listen too much to the fans or media. They're not there for you in the good and bad times or after you leave the sport. They only want one thing and when things are going bad, they'll crap all over you and call for your head. Same thing will happen to Pete or John or Geno or any player or coach if things aren't going well by a fan base who mostly don't care about their well being or personal character.

I agree that Russell doesn't deserve all the bad talk about his character. But he did ask for it, so my sympathy for him has its limits.

As far as the Team 3 stuff goes, I could be wrong, but don't think that the Seahawks ever permitted a personal coach not employed by the team to have access to the team facilities as Jake Heaps has in Denver. Russell was also provided with his own personal office at the Broncos' facility, something that I don't believe he had in Seattle.

Also, keep in mind that this isn't necessarily the fans and media that are grumbling about what Russell says. Did you read the post where I quoted Mark Schlereth, a former Broncos' offensive lineman, now a Fox color commentator and a co-host of a program on a Denver radio station? If you didn't, here it is again:

Those last two numbers (sacks/sacks yardage) are getting a lot of attention now, especially after Wilson’s backup QB, Brett Rypien, got into a sideline altercation with guard Dalton Risner, sticking up for Wilson after the offensive line appeared to not have his back after he took some sacks in Denver’s loss on Sunday.

Schlereth hasn’t heard Wilson take ownership for taking so many sacks, and it doesn’t quite sit right with him.

“As an offensive lineman, you’re never gonna say anything (about a quarterback being responsible for taking sacks). You’re just going to eat it and take it, and you expect the quarterback to come up and say it,” he said. “But I’ve never heard Russ one time get up on the podium and go, ‘Hey man, I held the ball too long. Those sacks are all on me. My offensive line is playing great.'”

There was also the incident a few weeks ago where a Broncos' defensive lineman got in Russell's face and screamed at him.

It's very possible, perhaps even probable, that these statements that Russell has been making in the media are rubbing some of his teammates the wrong way. What Russell says matters. It's not just a bunch of fans in the peanut gallery taking pot shots and piling on.

[c_hawkbob]

the pendulum has just swung too far, and it's starting to swing back:

Jerry Jeudy⁴
@jerryjeudy
I ain’t gonna keep looking at these false statements about my boii russ man, as a teammate who sees the elite work ethic this man has is incomparable. He got an office because he’s committed his life to this game. I never had a teammate who motivate me more then russ

[RiverDog]

the pendulum has just swung too far, and it's starting to swing back:


Jerry Jeudy⁴
@jerryjeudy
I ain’t gonna keep looking at these false statements about my boii russ man, as a teammate who sees the elite work ethic this man has is incomparable. He got an office because he’s committed his life to this game. I never had a teammate who motivate me more then russ

Sure, out of 52 other players in the locker room, it's not surprising to find one that's in support of him, especially a wide receiver that's not assigned to protect him.

Former Denver Bronco WR and HOF'er Shannon Sharpe came out with a scathing commentary on Russell:

Former Denver Broncos legendary tight end Shannon Sharpe is not a fan of Russell Wilson and he seems to think a lot of players in the locker room feel the same exact way.

Sharpe likely has a beat on how players might feel about Wilson given his close ties to the Broncos’ organization.

This week on ‘The Undisputed,’ he made it clear why he has not earned the respect of the locker room because of how he acts.

"Russell Wilson wants to be famous more than he wants to be a good football player. The players inside that locker room don’t like him! He has not earned their respect. He thinks he’s better than they are and they sense it.”

“I don’t know who the head coach is gonna be, but the first thing you do [is say], ‘Russell Wilson, I’m locking this office. You will no longer have an office. All those parking spaces you get the stadium, they’re gone too — because you’re putting yourself in front of the team.’ I said it before, I’ll say it again, and I stand by it: You ticked a lot of people off with your attitude, bro. You can come out here and talk about how we’re a team and I’m good with my teammates, but deep down inside, they’re seething, and I’m gonna leave it at that,” Sharpe said.

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/shan ... 2EX4JWX97k

[Hawktawk]

A few things here . Starting with week 1 there seemed to be trust issues like attempting a 64 yarder with Russ needing 5 for a new set of downs . It never looked right a single week .
Russ didn’t work hard enough and Hackett didn’t demand it either . He chose to defend Russ in the Denver media as he flew around the planet all summer .
Even after reports surfaced that Russ was underwhelming in camp he was not asked to play pre season .
He was clearly overweight , looks heavier now . He used to be a cyborg . He’s sweating like a pig throwing balls in warmups now . Both he and Hackett are responsible . Pete didn’t stand up to Russ either but he clearly managed the situation far better , got a lot of miles out of it .
River it’s not that I “ can’t stand “ Russ . I couldn’t stand the pain in the ass he became as more and more became public about his disruptive behavior . I had never heard a qb say he was tired of getting hit so much in a sit down televised interview and I knew he was a dead man walking in Seattle .

But it’s Russel F Ing Wilson . Dangerruss. I remember .
Some of the most god damn amazing plays I’ve ever seen by any quarterback ever . He’s 4th all time in rushing . Holds numerous records . For his cornball antics we have a Lombardi because he did enough with line injuries the entire year , last second wins . In the NFC title game he gave away 3 but he hard counted Aldon Smith offsides and gunned it to Kearse on 4 th and 7 from the 37 for the go ahead score . He played as perfect a game in that Super Bowl as it is possible to play .

People say he has character issues. The visits to the childrens hospital and the many charities , charter schools etc always become part of the conversation .

But phoniness , pettiness, laziness ( yup ) especially for all that Jack ? Yes sir . Those are flaws . So many current and former players have unloaded . Former teammates . Media types like Kyle Brandt omg Imo as a highly bipolar highly medicated highly functional man Russ has a personality disorder . Putting it out there. Dude needs meds . There’s some great character but some not so great too

[c_hawkbob]

Quoting Sharpe, or his buddy Bayless in support of anything is like quoting Trump.

[Aseahawkfan]

Sure, out of 52 other players in the locker room, it's not surprising to find one that's in support of him, especially a wide receiver that's not assigned to protect him.

Former Denver Bronco WR and HOF'er Shannon Sharpe came out with a scathing commentary on Russell:

Former Denver Broncos legendary tight end Shannon Sharpe is not a fan of Russell Wilson and he seems to think a lot of players in the locker room feel the same exact way.

Sharpe likely has a beat on how players might feel about Wilson given his close ties to the Broncos’ organization.

This week on ‘The Undisputed,’ he made it clear why he has not earned the respect of the locker room because of how he acts.

"Russell Wilson wants to be famous more than he wants to be a good football player. The players inside that locker room don’t like him! He has not earned their respect. He thinks he’s better than they are and they sense it.”

“I don’t know who the head coach is gonna be, but the first thing you do [is say], ‘Russell Wilson, I’m locking this office. You will no longer have an office. All those parking spaces you get the stadium, they’re gone too — because you’re putting yourself in front of the team.’ I said it before, I’ll say it again, and I stand by it: You ticked a lot of people off with your attitude, bro. You can come out here and talk about how we’re a team and I’m good with my teammates, but deep down inside, they’re seething, and I’m gonna leave it at that,” Sharpe said.

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/shan ... 2EX4JWX97k

One? There are have been multiple players supportive of Russ, they get ignored in favor of someone saying bad stuff about Russ.

Tyler Lockett? Nothing bad to say and supportive. DK Metcalf? Nothing bad to say and liked him. KJ Wright brought up the early days, but still never had a bad thing to say about Russ. Greg Olsen liked Russ when playing with him.

Most of the locker room says nothing one way or the other. So you can't assume one way or the other. If someone isn't going to speak out badly or good, you assume they aren't really thinking about it. I don't think most players are thinking about it. They're out there doing their jobs week to week getting paid. Not worrying about whether they support or don't support the QB.

It's the fan base and media spinning this stuff up, not the players. So not sure why anyone thinks they are too pro-Russ or against Russ. I think most of them don't think much about it. They see another NFL player having a tough time, but it's not their situation to deal with. Russ will have to find his own way out of this hell he is in on the field and the other guys will just keep playing their best from week to week.

Same as our defense playing badly isn't making Geno and the offense come out attacking them for not winning games.

People spend way too much time on this gossipy crap. The players play from week to week. They seen guys have bad years before. Denver was losing big under Fangio and I'm sure they didn't hate him and Drew Lock any more than we think Geno is doing something wrong now that we're 7 and 8. Players not look to stir up controversy like Sherm just don't think about it much I don't think. They just go about their business having a hard enough time making sure they are doing what is right.

[RiverDog]

Quoting Sharpe, or his buddy Bayless in support of anything is like quoting Trump.

He's a lot closer to the Broncos locker room than you or I. From the article above:

Sharpe likely has a beat on how players might feel about Wilson given his close ties to the Broncos’ organization.

Besides, there's more evidence of a locker room split besides Sharpe's comments. Did you watch the Broncos-Rams game on Xmas day, with the confrontation on the Broncos's sideline between an offensive lineman and the backup quarterback? What do you think that was all about?

[RiverDog]

[One? There are have been multiple players supportive of Russ, they get ignored in favor of someone saying bad stuff about Russ.

Tyler Lockett? Nothing bad to say and supportive. DK Metcalf? Nothing bad to say and liked him. KJ Wright brought up the early days, but still never had a bad thing to say about Russ. Greg Olsen liked Russ when playing with him.

First of all, I said "at least one." I'm sure that there's a large number that support him. But so does every locker room that has a similar problem. I'm sure that Zach Wilson has at least some teammates that support him.

Secondly, we're not talking about the Seahawks locker room, the issue we've been discussing is the Broncos.

The point is that the Broncos locker room would appear to be divided, with some players supporting Russ, others not so much. That's quite common when teams lose and their quarterback performs poorly, so please don't tell me that Russell and the Broncos are somehow immune to that phenomenon.

[Hawktawk]

Quoting Sharpe, or his buddy Bayless in support of anything is like quoting Trump.

Interestingly it’s always the receivers riding to Russels defense .
Bob it’s not near 50-50 and that includes ADB . For the squeaky clean carefully crafted image the dudes got some important critics on his own sidelines .

I saw Hamler furious being overlooked , jeudy too . I saw near fistfights on the sidelines . D linemen screaming in his face . Icy stares . But if you want the ball what do you say ? His last 2 guys here were his biggest fans too .
The 2017 Si article riv shared talked about the Hawks staff asking players not to be negative as it’s hard for him to deal with .

Or maybe they just like a guy with 11 TDs , under 3 k yards and 60% completion .


It’s not the medias fault and this isn’t Trump Bob . You’re more level headed then that . Tremendous insult .

Wilson stirred this up running his mouth then really really not performing . Simple formula . Sports is harsh .

[c_hawkbob]

Quoting Sharpe, or his buddy Bayless in support of anything is like quoting Trump.

He's a lot closer to the Broncos locker room than you or I. From the article above:

Sharpe likely has a beat on how players might feel about Wilson given his close ties to the Broncos’ organization.

Besides, there's more evidence of a locker room split besides Sharpe's comments. Did you watch the Broncos-Rams game on Xmas day, with the confrontation on the Broncos's sideline between an offensive lineman and the backup quarterback? What do you think that was all about?

I don't care where Sharpe is in relation to the Bronco's locker compared to me or anyone else, anything the dude says is completely unreliable. He'll argue any side of an argument just for the sake of furthering the argument. He and Skippy brag about their ability to do exactly that. He is selling copy, period. I don't care that there is a split in the Bronco's locker room, I never said there wasn't. Try responding to what I actually say rather than what you think I must mean.

[RiverDog]

Quoting Sharpe, or his buddy Bayless in support of anything is like quoting Trump.

He's a lot closer to the Broncos locker room than you or I. From the article above:

Sharpe likely has a beat on how players might feel about Wilson given his close ties to the Broncos’ organization.

Besides, there's more evidence of a locker room split besides Sharpe's comments. Did you watch the Broncos-Rams game on Xmas day, with the confrontation on the Broncos's sideline between an offensive lineman and the backup quarterback? What do you think that was all about?

I don't care where Sharpe is in relation to the Bronco's locker compared to me or anyone else, anything the dude says is completely unreliable. He'll argue any side of an argument just for the sake of furthering the argument. He and Skippy brag about their ability to do exactly that. He is selling copy, period. I don't care that there is a split in the Bronco's locker room, I never said there wasn't. Try responding to what I actually say rather than what you think I must mean.

Try responding to the question I posed to you, highlighted in bold.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

So we got Jeudy who likes him. We also have that sideline dust up last Sunday as well as the ridiculous calisthenics on the trans-Atlantic flight while his teammates were sleeping. As Asea said, it's hard to get a true bead on the locker room without being there and without multiple players talking about it, but I it wouldn't surprise me if there's some big issues. You have a $50 million quarterback woefully underperforming. My perception is that Wilson has some authority on what will go down on the field. Unless you're performing like Brady, P. Manning, Rogers, or Brees, that would be a shaky dynamic to operate under.

[c_hawkbob]

Why Riv? What you asked me in bold is tangential to what I posted. It is back to the same thing you have been saying over and over in here that I never disputed in the first place. I made a new observation you chose to ignore to reinforce your previous point. That's how conversations become circular.

[RiverDog]

Why Riv? What you asked me in bold is tangential to what I posted. It is back to the same thing you have been saying over and over in here that I never disputed in the first place. I made a new observation you chose to ignore to reinforce your previous point. That's how conversations become circular.

I'm not sure what 'new observation' you made that I am supposed to respond to. That Shannon Sharpe is an unreliable source? Jerry Jeudy's statement in support of Russell?

IMO the sideline confrontation between Rypien and the Denver OL is directly related to the topic, which at this point in the discussion, has been Russell's popularity with his current teammates and how that might relate to the firing of Nathanial Hackett. It's just as on topic as Jeudy's statement.

[c_hawkbob]

Jerry Jeudy's statement in support of Russell is the only new information in this discussion for some time. My opinion that it evidences a directional shift in the conversation is the only point I made. Instead of commenting on that you chose to rehash already thoroughly covered portions of this conversation which I had never contested in the first place.

[Hawktawk]

So we got Jeudy who likes him. We also have that sideline dust up last Sunday as well as the ridiculous calisthenics on the trans-Atlantic flight while his teammates were sleeping. As Asea said, it's hard to get a true bead on the locker room without being there and without multiple players talking about it, but I it wouldn't surprise me if there's some big issues. You have a $50 million quarterback woefully underperforming. My perception is that Wilson has some authority on what will go down on the field. Unless you're performing like Brady, P. Manning, Rogers, or Brees, that would be a shaky dynamic to operate under.

Let’s remember this is the second destination but a similar story about the locker room dynamic . The difference being 9 years of great play and winning and a disastrous first year after the hype .

I watched him talk to his line for about a minute Sunday holding the ball in front of his mouth like a coach might hold a play sheet . All 5 guys were staring straight ahead ignoring him .

There’s plenty of problems there regardless of a couple receivers coming out in week 16 to stick up for their QB. I still remember Hamler after the Indy debacle “ if he had thrown it to me I could have walked in “
Kenny came to jesus in the end . I wonder if this is part of a circle the wagons and have your teammates back culture with the new coach .

Anyone heard from Hackett himself yet ?

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

It is entirely possible that Shannon Sharpe, a former Broncos star, has some inside information. He could also just be generating buzz. I do agree with his assessment. If I were to see more current Broncos coming to Wilson's defense than just Jeudy, I'd be willing to entertain other possibilities. His statement stacked against what has already happened doesn't move the needle for me. The most telling indicator will be if the Broncos can right the ship next season. Continued dismal play along with other public displays of discord by teammates will pretty much nail it for me.

[c_hawkbob]

Now Von Miller is expressing his belief in Wilson next year. https://denverfan.com/2102625/von-mille ... Bm3mzXEQPM

I'm not saying that there is a sudden seismic shift in the Wilson perception around the league, only that the pendulum has reached the end of it's travel in one direction and now we will see the slow shift to the other direction. This Wilson hate is not going to be a permanent state of affairs, at least not for everyone.

[Hawktawk]

It is entirely possible that Shannon Sharpe, a former Broncos star, has some inside information. He could also just be generating buzz. I do agree with his assessment. If I were to see more current Broncos coming to Wilson's defense than just Jeudy, I'd be willing to entertain other possibilities. His statement stacked against what has already happened doesn't move the needle for me. The most telling indicator will be if the Broncos can right the ship next season. Continued dismal play along with other public displays of discord by teammates will pretty much nail it for me.

Shannon Sharpe is a Denver icon with 2 Lombardi's. and a gold jacket. Its utterly ludicrous to think hes just some guy flapping his jaws. Hes got a point and you can say what you like about everything else he brought up hes dead on the money on Russel's fat out of shape bloated condition.Its the biggest issue with his game.
I found it interesting that the 2 amigos even defended his office and his "multiple " private parking spots. Oh the hatred