Playoff Situation

[Hawktawk]

Well you could have had your way in 2010 I suppose . Seattle at 6-9 vs 8-7 Rams . I was one of very few on the forum that wanted to win the game . We need that draft position !!!! Charlie Whitehurst to BMW to beat a team that had held Matt Hasslebeck outside midfield the entire second half of the first game . I bought tickets to what turned out to be beast quake, one of the most iconic playoff games in history , certainly one of the most iconic great runs in NFL history . If that run won the NFC title game or something it would be considered one of the most amazing TD runs in history . As I recall after al the draft pick hand wringing we were in the divisional 2 years later with a 3 rd round 5-11 qb , one first rounder ET on the lob . Win a Lombardi , almost 2 with almost no first round guys .


I don’t get intelligent Seahawks lifers who think we need to tank to move up . I will never hope to lose if we are 0-16 . Don’t get it .

[Old but Slow]

Guilty, I guess, and not proud of it. However, I am not saying "don't compete". I would like to see Lock get some playing time, give us more of Mafe, Muse, Rhattigan, Blount, Tareke Young, Curhan, and Adams. Sit some older players like Irvin, Woods, Diggs, Jackson, and Ford. Or at least rotate them out more.

Use this time constructively to discover what the depth is up to. Then tell them to play their asses off, and if they happen to win one, that's alright, too.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't think we need to worry about tanking or not this weekend. But I sure hope to see Denver lose again. They are making one last push that might really mess up the draft position.

[RiverDog]

Guilty, I guess, and not proud of it. However, I am not saying "don't compete". I would like to see Lock get some playing time, give us more of Mafe, Muse, Rhattigan, Blount, Tareke Young, Curhan, and Adams. Sit some older players like Irvin, Woods, Diggs, Jackson, and Ford. Or at least rotate them out more.

Use this time constructively to discover what the depth is up to. Then tell them to play their asses off, and if they happen to win one, that's alright, too.

I have to differ. We do all of what you're saying AFTER we are mathematically eliminated. There's always the chance that we could catch lightning in a bottle.

[Hawktawk]

Guilty, I guess, and not proud of it. However, I am not saying "don't compete". I would like to see Lock get some playing time, give us more of Mafe, Muse, Rhattigan, Blount, Tareke Young, Curhan, and Adams. Sit some older players like Irvin, Woods, Diggs, Jackson, and Ford. Or at least rotate them out more.

Use this time constructively to discover what the depth is up to. Then tell them to play their asses off, and if they happen to win one, that's alright, too.

I have to differ. We do all of what you're saying AFTER we are mathematically eliminated. There's always the chance that we could catch lightning in a bottle.

This
If we go into week 18 eliminated lets start Drew. See what he looks like. But not if were in it. I recall a 9-7 team with an underrated QB and young back, good receiver went to the AFC title game like 39 years ago . Ground Chuck.
Id rather win/ If you get in the tournament you have a chance

[Old but Slow]

As I am a bit of a draftnik, I may value a spot or two in the draft order more than most do. It appears that there is a talent drop-off in the early teens, which is where our native pick is or can be. That is why I see value in not winning at this point. If I felt that the team was capable of "lightning in a bottle" I might have a different view, but I do not think that the talent is there yet.

That said, when the whistle blows, I will be pulling hard for a Seahawk win. So I'm crazy, confused, addlepated, and over the hill, but I can still want them to win and still want them to lose. Or something.

I happen to be O K with delayed gratification if it will make us better in seasons to come. This just is not our year.

[RiverDog]

As I am a bit of a draftnik, I may value a spot or two in the draft order more than most do. It appears that there is a talent drop-off in the early teens, which is where our native pick is or can be. That is why I see value in not winning at this point. If I felt that the team was capable of "lightning in a bottle" I might have a different view, but I do not think that the talent is there yet.

That said, when the whistle blows, I will be pulling hard for a Seahawk win. So I'm crazy, confused, addlepated, and over the hill, but I can still want them to win and still want them to lose. Or something.

I happen to be O K with delayed gratification if it will make us better in seasons to come. This just is not our year.

I agree that this doesn't feel or look like it's our year. But I've been wrong on too many occasions for me to put that much trust in my judgement. I've also seen a lot of very strange, improbable events happen, and we only have to go back to last week when the Vikings came back after being down 33-0 at halftime or the Pats committing the stupidest play ever for me to mail it in.

[NorthHawk]

As I am a bit of a draftnik, I may value a spot or two in the draft order more than most do. It appears that there is a talent drop-off in the early teens, which is where our native pick is or can be. That is why I see value in not winning at this point. If I felt that the team was capable of "lightning in a bottle" I might have a different view, but I do not think that the talent is there yet.

That said, when the whistle blows, I will be pulling hard for a Seahawk win. So I'm crazy, confused, addlepated, and over the hill, but I can still want them to win and still want them to lose. Or something.

I happen to be O K with delayed gratification if it will make us better in seasons to come. This just is not our year.

Yah, I'm conflicted, too. I want the instant gratification of a win but know the long term benefit of a better draft pick would probably be the best outcome.

[NorthHawk]

I just did a Mock draft via the PFN Mock Draft Simulator for fun as I know the rankings will change after the bowl season and Combine. As well, teams look at them quite differently.
But here are the results:

Trade down to 6 Jalen Carter DT Georgia
16 Will Levis, QB Kentucky
36 Jared Verse Edge, Florida St
38 Gervon Dexter, DT Florida
49 Jalin Hyatt, Wr, Tennessee
80 Zach Charbonnet, RB UCLA
107 Olusegun Oluwatimi, OC Michigan
115 Sam LaPorta, TE, Iowa
149 Zach Zinter, OG, Michigan
180 Jaylon Carlies, S, Missouri

We also get Indianapolis 2024 1st and 3rd for trading down to 6.

[Aseahawkfan]

I have to differ. We do all of what you're saying AFTER we are mathematically eliminated. There's always the chance that we could catch lightning in a bottle.

No bottled lightning is happening. But we're probably going to win the last two games and might make the playoffs.

[RiverDog]

I have to differ. We do all of what you're saying AFTER we are mathematically eliminated. There's always the chance that we could catch lightning in a bottle.

No bottled lightning is happening. But we're probably going to win the last two games and might make the playoffs.

I'm certainly not holding my breath about catching lightning in a bottle. But I'm also not holding my breath about winning even one of the last two games. This team isn't getting any better.

[Hawktawk]

Not today

[RiverDog]

Actually, the playoff situation didn't change much for us today. The Giants, Commanders, and Lions all lost, meaning that we're still 1.5 games behind the Giants, a half game behind the Commanders, and we own the tiebreaker over the Lions, who have the same W/L record as we do. Plus we have two very winnable games against the Jets, who looked horrible on Thursday, and the Rams, who play tomorrow against the Donkeys. If we win both of those games, we're likely in. The Commanders finish the season at home against the Browns and Cowboys, and it's unlikely that they'll win both. If the Giants win next weekend at home against the Colts, they're in.

[RiverDog]

Looking at the playoff situation a little closer, I'm not as optimistic as I was earlier.

Just to review the current status. Obviously, the Niners have clinched our division, so the only chance for us is to get one of the 3 wild card seeds. Of the two leading teams in the NFC East, Philly and Dallas, one of them will secure the #5 seed, leaving the 6th and 7th seeds to be determined. The Giants, at 8-6-1, are currently sitting on the 6th seed, needing to win one of their remaining two games to clinch a playoff spot. Their last two games are at home against the Colts and on the road vs. the Eagles. The Colts have been eliminated from the playoffs and if the Eagles win next week at home vs. the Saints or if the Cowboys lose to the Titans this Thursday, they'll wrap up HFA, making the Eagles last game vs. the Giants meaningless. It's extremely difficult seeing the Giants losing both of those games.

That brings us to the Commanders and the 7th and final seed. They're just a half game ahead of us, meaning that they need to win both of their last two games or split them if we split our last two. The Commanders remaining games are both at home, next week vs. the Browns, who have already been eliminated, and the Cowboys. If the Cowboys can finish no lower than the 5th seed and if they lose to at Tennessee next week or the Eagles win vs. the Saints, it will put the Cowboys solidly in the #5 seed with no chance of moving up or down, meaning that they'll likely rest a lot of their starters.

It's looking to me like the Giants can easily win at least one of their last two games and that the Commanders would be favored to win both of their last two games.

We'll see how it all plays out, but my crystal ball tells me that we're not making the playoffs even if we win out.

[NorthHawk]

If we back into the playoffs it will probably be a one and done situation.
I'd rather just lose both and get a better draft slot for our natural pick.
I think, though that we can actually win both our remaining games so it will be up to the Giants and Commanders to win their way into the playoffs.

Merry Christmas!

[Hawktawk]

There was speculation after the end of that Commanders Giants game with a huge trap call and blatant no call that the league isn’t real keen on the Commanders being in the postseason . That would make sense. Given the state of their ownership . Especially when the other team is the long suffering marquee franchise giants . That game should have been a 2 point conversion away from overtime . So who knows ? Seems like it benefitted us right now .
But I’m bummed . In hindsight we’ve been roundly beaten 2 or 3 times and in the rest have been a play or 2 away . The ones that got away . Atlanta no run defense wasted a 1 punt day by the offense despite Kenny Walker going the wrong way missing 2 handoffs . 2 brutal penalty calls that wiped a 60 yard bomb to DK the 5 and a 25 yard penny screen to the 8. Ends . on a desperation pick on 4th and 18. Saints trading haymakers with Dalton and the Saints run game , Genos finest hour , should have had 5 TDs with DKs drop and referee manipulating . 4 huge decisions by officials . All went against us .


Munich turd bowl . The more I look at that game , look at us , look at Tampa since that game we’re winning on a decent surface . We’re losing at the point of attack because we lack beef on both sides of the ball but we are fast . Pete has called it his fastest team . We entered the game with 19 sacks the previous 4 games , league best . I don’t care who we were playing that’s a lot of sacks . We got one PRESSURE on Brady . Irvin didn’t complain about kicking off at 6:30 but he went off about the field . We got good pressure on Mahomes , way more then that game on a statue that held the ball just under 3 seconds . K9 fell down 3 times trying to cut and yesterday was a reminder what a healthy Ken Walker looks like standing up .


Yeah no sympathy but I hate scumbag Goodell even more for that setup . Still …. Almost came back and that’s been the story ever since . Calls and no calls and replay were a huge part of the raiders and Carolina losses . But that bears teams that can’t separate .

The team plays like they are gutted . No confidence they can make a play . They are the worst they have been all year .
And I don’t want to say any of this but Geno seems to be rapidly falling back to earth. I’m nit seeing basic stuff like looking off defenders . He’s had at least 1 turnover for a number of games now . Some weren’t his fault but still . He’s looking like Andy Dalton right now . Throws a nice spiral , so so in the decision making department , the mistake will come at a crucial time . I really don’t wish to be right . I love Geno , it’s been fun to watch him and his real genuine personality is refreshing.
But if your being real taking ownership of a loss you’re a loser . He’s been increasingly more of the problem than the solution or even only chance he’s been much of the year .

I can see 7-10. This is simply a bad team . I don’t know what it says for Pete if he loses 7 of 8.

[RiverDog]

If we lose next week and the Commanders win, then we'll be eliminated from playoff contention. At that point, I'm OK with approaching our last game as more like a preseason game and use it for talent evaluation while reducing injury exposure to guys like K9. But I don't want to intentionally tank any game. You always play with your balls out.

It would really suck to go into the offseason having lost 7 of our last 8.

[Hawktawk]

Depending on who starts for New York at QB they are a tough out vs a team playing well . That would be Mike white who has had some monster 4 TD 400 yards plus games . Their defense is legit , the coach Saleh knows Pete well . Sauce Gardner is Cobe Bryant’s teammate from Cincy and with Tariq it’s some of the best rookie secondary people in the league . But Gardner is the most polished . Of our 2 remaining games they are by far the toughest potentially .

As for Geno it’s always been a selling point for me that he’s low mileage , lots of tread on the tires due to his lack of being hit last 7 years .

Well he’s beat up now . Over 40 sacks . Tons more hits . It’s almost like his body is as much of a rookie body as any of them right now .
As for his pick it’s clear it’s a timing route and either he or Goodwin were wrong as Goodwin ran a curl and was 10 yards from the ball . It happened twice at least . We miss Lockett

[RiverDog]

We did miss Lockett. I'm convinced if that was him at the back of the end zone instead of Metcalf, that he would have kept his feet in bounds for the TD. And yea, the interception was a miscommunication. I read a comment on another forum that it was likely Geno's mistake as the safety was staying high, which would have called for breaking off the route instead of continuing to the end zone. It's just some fan speculating, but it makes sense, especially since Geno took the blame.

Of our last two games, there's no question that the Jets are the better team. If the Dolphins lose today vs. the Packers, the Jets will play Miami in their finale for the right to go to the playoffs if they beat us. Just looking at the playoff standings, it looks to me that if the Dolphins beat the Packers, the Jets are eliminated.

[Aseahawkfan]

Looks like Green Bay is back in the mix too.

[RiverDog]

Looks like Green Bay is back in the mix too.

They are, but we own the 3-way tiebreaker over both them and the Lions, at least as it stands now. If the Lions lose and us and the Packers tie for a seed, the Packers will own the tiebreaker.