Why to take and not take a qb

[Hawktawk]

Last nights game . Trevor Lawrence is beginning to show why he was taken where he was .

Zach Wilson is proving he doesn’t even belong in the league at #2 overall . I just thought it was a great demonstration of what a crapshoot it is .

[NorthHawk]

Every player selected is a crapshoot. Nothing is guaranteed. Need I remind you of Aaron Curry? The guy who was a can't miss LB?
With a QB the difference is what is between his ears more than other positions where they can just react to what his opponent is doing.
What makes it seem more dangerous is the QB position is the most important position in football so it's always going to be higher profile.
That doesn't mean you avoid selecting a QB very early, though.

[RiverDog]

If we are going to roll the dice on a QB, this is the year to do it as we have two first round draft picks, sort of like bust insurance.

JS seems to have a pretty good feel for quarterbacks. He's the one that advocated taking Russell Wilson and flirted with both Mahomes and Josh Allen prior to their being drafted, so if he feels good enough about a QB to burn a first-round pick on him, I'm willing to take that chance.

[Hawktawk]

If we are going to roll the dice on a QB, this is the year to do it as we have two first round draft picks, sort of like bust insurance.

JS seems to have a pretty good feel for quarterbacks. He's the one that advocated taking Russell Wilson and flirted with both Mahomes and Josh Allen prior to their being drafted, so if he feels good enough about a QB to burn a first-round pick on him, I'm willing to take that chance.

Me too. Don't think we need to but Identifying Russ and for that matter Geno and scouting Mahomes and Allen is pretty good acumen. If they think we need one OK.
Lets see if Pete is part of the process

[Old but Slow]

I agree. Take a QB every year, early or late, until you make a hit. There are some promising arms in the '24 draft, but we are not likely to be picking this high. For this year, best would be Levis, Richardson, and perhaps Stroud. If they miss out on one of them, then look at Thompson-Robinson, McKee, Hooker, or even Stetson Bennett (small but that didn't stop us before), all of whom will be taken around 3d or 4th round.

For a year or two, we will be looking at a backup to Geno most likely, although contract stuff might lead to starting Lock. Levis may have what it takes to start right away, but it is better to let a rookie QB sit for a year. Richardson might take 2 or more years to develop, but has a monster up side. Stroud will need some time because he is in an offense that requires little reading of defenses and decision making, but he has good physical tools.

The other guys I mentioned can spin the ball, but are not seemingly as athletic.

All that after a snifter.

[RiverDog]

All that after a snifter.

Only a fellow baby boomer would understand.

[Hawktawk]

I agree. Take a QB every year, early or late, until you make a hit. There are some promising arms in the '24 draft, but we are not likely to be picking this high. For this year, best would be Levis, Richardson, and perhaps Stroud. If they miss out on one of them, then look at Thompson-Robinson, McKee, Hooker, or even Stetson Bennett (small but that didn't stop us before), all of whom will be taken around 3d or 4th round.

For a year or two, we will be looking at a backup to Geno most likely, although contract stuff might lead to starting Lock. Levis may have what it takes to start right away, but it is better to let a rookie QB sit for a year. Richardson might take 2 or more years to develop, but has a monster up side. Stroud will need some time because he is in an offense that requires little reading of defenses and decision making, but he has good physical tools.at

The other guys I mentioned can spin the ball, but are not seemingly as athletic.

All that after a snifter.

I heard an analyst today on ESPN very hard on Levis. Said he has all the measurables and someone is going to bite but he throws into double coverage , fails to read the field etc leading to the 7-6 record and 19-10 TD to interception ratio . No thank you .

[NorthHawk]

And I heard an analyst on NFL Network saying he was under so much pressure that he didn’t have much time to make his reads
so given that, he was his top QB of the last 2 years if you look at how well he did when he got time he had good production.

So pick your poison. I think if he has all the tools and is accurate, a lot of the hard work has been done and it’s a matter of learning this Offense as he played in a Pro style Offense in College.

[Hawktawk]

And I heard an analyst on NFL Network saying he was under so much pressure that he didn’t have much time to make his reads
so given that, he was his top QB of the last 2 years if you look at how well he did when he got time he had good production.

So pick your poison. I think if he has all the tools and is accurate, a lot of the hard work has been done and it’s a matter of learning this Offense as he played in a Pro style Offense in College.

Geno is playing behind a line with rook tackles and inferior interior linemen and its showing up now. 37 sacks. I know hes had games with 10 hits to go with it, got laid out by a mad dog named Bosa all night thursday. Thats 14 games.
Levis has played 13 and has also has been sacked 37 times. Levis has some damn injury constantly.

Geno was listed with a shoulder on the IR 3 weeks ago but thats it and still among league leaders in damn near everything.

Levis bad line playing college guys 19-10 in TDs-Picks in 13 Games. Middling to bad stats other than a 68% completion rate.

Geno in the league 26 TDs(4th) 8 picks. 71.5 % completion (1st) 119 QBR on the road. over 300 rush yards. #4 scoring offense.
I know C Hawk Bob is high on this guy and apparently you are too but he scares me more than any guy in this draft. And looking at where will likely draft to get one of these top guys will likely cost us both first round picks, no ability to get a generational front 7 player, killer safety, nasty center. I think we have a window to win now and I dont think Mr Bill from Kentucky is the way.
Franchise Geno barring an absolute collapse these last 3 unless a 2 or 3 year deal is reasonable. Try to resign 26 year old Drew Lock with 24 starts in the show and a year in our system. Its a better bet than anyone in this draft IMO especially with what were trying to do. If someone wants to kick the tires and pay more then go down the draft board for Stetson Bennett or something like that. He can be our Brock Purdy if we build a defense.

[NorthHawk]

You can improve the interior of the OL in the 2nd round on. If we are really high on one, it could be an early 2nd rounder. This is true for Guards as well except for the Quenton Nelson types which there doesn't seem to be in this draft.
A good QB is the rarest of all commodities and it's why QBs are always taken early to the point of being overdrafted. Bryce Young and CJ Stroud are said to be the top QBs but they have never really been tested because of the abundance
of talent around them. Stroud seems to have some of his worst games when he's under pressure and both players run simple types of passing Offenses unlike Levis. The wildcard in the QB class this year is Anthony Richardson who might
end up being the best of the bunch but of the top 3 QBs in this draft is probably the least pro ready. That shouldn't matter for us as we should have a year or two to develop whichever QB we select (hoping we do) as they would play behind
Geno or Lock.
A different option for the long term QB issue is signing Nathan Rourke from the CFL. He's been making the rounds of NFL teams for workouts and it's been said he's getting some offers from teams. He played at Ohio University, is
athletic and can really spin the ball. It would be a real good situation for us because he wouldn't cost a draft pick and we could concentrate on the interior of both Lines of Scrimmage.

[obiken]

We have to a QB even if we take a project in the 3rd or 4th round like a Bennett outta GA, or a Rising out of Utah, we have to have someone who in 2-3 years would be a B+ QB. I am not impressed with any of the top shelf guys. WE have to take the big DT outta GA who could push the pile and be a 10 year run stopper, with our 1st rounder.

[NorthHawk]

The vibe I get from Bennett is Colt McCoy. A good college QB who understands the game and will probably be a backup in the NFL or end up being an OC in College or the NFL.
But that's just my opinion.
Rising on the other hand (from what I've seen of him) seems to be a much more athletic QB with a huge will to win. If he was 4 or 5 inches taller he would get more respect. Maybe with the shorter QBs now
accepted he will get a chance to play. I don't know where it will be but he has some real good tools to start from. What's between his ears is what will determine how well he does - like all QBs.

[Hawktawk]

I don’t want to go the short qb route anymore. Brees and Russel were the exceptions .. Russ in particular made a lot of short guys money , Manziel , Mayfield , especially Kyler Murray who is even shorter . But the shelf life is shorter . I like watching the qb scan the entire field .

[NorthHawk]

I just want a QB who has a big upside and is a winner. I don't care how tall he is but he has to have a solid build. It's why I shy away from Bryce Young who is very slight.

[RiverDog]

I agree with shying away from a shorter/smaller QB. IMO part of Russell's difficulties in the past few years has been his lack of field vision, that he's unable to develop as a true pocket passer because he doesn't have a good, clear vision of the field. It was as much as an issue in his earlier years as he was very successful at extending plays and running the read option, but now that he's lost some of his mobility, it's exposed a weakness.

[NorthHawk]

He’s not that much shorter than Brees and Brees played well in the pocket. It’s more mental makeup as
he wasn’t having problems early in his career.

[RiverDog]

He’s not that much shorter than Brees and Brees played well in the pocket. It’s more mental makeup as
he wasn’t having problems early in his career.

Yeah, maybe. But it's clear that he doesn't have as good of field vision as he used to as he's not seeing open receivers, so something has to be at work.

One of the things I noticed was that he wasn't taking as deep of a drop as he used to. Given his short height, could his position in the pocket put him too close to the trees?

In any event, I don't want to turn this into another Russell Wilson thread, so I'll stop with my comments about him here.

[govandals]

I heard an analyst today on ESPN very hard on Levis. Said he has all the measurables and someone is going to bite but he throws into double coverage , fails to read the field etc leading to the 7-6 record and 19-10 TD to interception ratio . No thank you .

Levis fails to read the field? I do not agree with that at all. Levis is certainly not without flaws, but I've watched about 5 of his games this year and he can read defenses, at the college level anyway.
I would be happy with Levis or Richardson as our first pick.

[NorthHawk]

Every pick has flaws. It's just that some have more than others.
Levis is the most Pro Ready QB in the draft, but there might be other QBs with as high a ceiling as well, but they haven't shown the consistency that Levis has so there's more doubt.
Their success in the NFL will in large margin be determined by the situation they end up in. If they end up on a dysfunctional team their probability of success meeting their draft slot
will be much lower than if they end up on a team that is already solid in a number of areas but need a good QB to take the next steps. Going to a team with a good QB coach and/or
and Offensive HC is a big step. Just like the difference with Trevor Lawrence. With Pederson as HC he's made some real strides in his development but if Meyer had stayed, he might
not see a 2nd contract.

In our case, we need both interior of the DL and OL to be improved along with a longer term QB project. So although Levis is probably the best QB at the moment, it could work in our
favor to take a lesser ready QB that would develop in 2 years (or less) and end up as good as Levis. If we are able to trade back a few slots and still get Richardson then we could add
to the draft haul for this and next year and have time to let the rookie develop.
It will be interesting how this all turns out.

[NorthHawk]

The Raiders are giving up on Derek Carr so that puts them in play for a QB in the draft.
Would they want to move up from currently 8th selection to around the 3rd for a QB?
Maybe they could get into a bidding war for that spot with the Colts. We could make out like bandits if one of the QB needy teams really likes a QB in the draft.

[RiverDog]

The Raiders are giving up on Derek Carr so that puts them in play for a QB in the draft.
Would they want to move up from currently 8th selection to around the 3rd for a QB?
Maybe they could get into a bidding war for that spot with the Colts. We could make out like bandits if one of the QB needy teams really likes a QB in the draft.

I saw that. I guess it all depends on if we have our eyes on a QB and if we think we can get him from where we're drafting or if there's someone else, say Jalen Carter, that we have our eyes on. But yes, I'm open to hanging a for sale sign on that draft pick if there isn't a player we really like that'll be available at our spot.

There's also speculation that Carr could end up a Seahawk, but I don't think he'd be much of an upgrade from Geno.

[Hawktawk]

Geno 27 TD - 9 picks
Carr 24 TD - 14 picks

Downgrade from Geno although a pretty solid body of work over 8 years for Carr . He will find a home but so will Geno , here or elsewhere . To the OP after last night Dak Prescott is now tied for the league lead in ints with Carr despite missing FIVE GAMES . Maybe payton to Dallas happens after all and he can “ fix “ Dak instead

And in other news Tua entered the concussion protocol for the third time this season and should consider life after football . Stafford 2 trips to the protocol. So many other questionable situations around the league .

There’s going to be a free agent market and pressure on this draft .

[TriCitySam]

I think we have to take one, and I trust in JS to decide who and where. I could see us trading down out of #3 and getting several good players to help the D, not just line but LB and CB - then later taking someone later (Richardson is intriguing and Hendon Hooker is raw but has some talent). I've played with a draft simulator with that angle and took 3 potential 1st rounders (ED, CB, LB) then took two DI and C in 2nd, taking Hooker end of 3rd.

[obiken]

I saw that. I guess it all depends on if we have our eyes on a QB and if we think we can get him from where we're drafting or if there's someone else, say Jalen Carter, that we have our eyes on. But yes, I'm open to hanging a for sale sign on that draft pick if there isn't a player we really like that'll be available at our spot.

There's also speculation that Carr could end up a Seahawk, but I don't think he'd be much of an upgrade from Geno.

Sorry I just do, the problem is he is 31. But come on River, there is no comparison between GS and Carr. Carr is on pace in 3 years to bust 45,000 yards, only 16 QB's have done that and most of them are in the HOF, except Brady and Breeze who will be. Since the hiring of Chucky and then his departure the Raiders have been a Dumpster fire. Carr is a 3X pro bowler you can win with DC, we just have an honest difference of opinion!

[Hawktawk]

I’m not a draft guru . Is there a great safety ? I think we have to have better play there too.

I’ll have to take a look at these QBs . Geno in the past 3 games , especially the last 2 has raised some questions about whether he’s regressing . He’s had some bad luck with a few calls but every metric is down . The line really isn’t worth a damn pass blocking at this point . Lucas is hurt now . Diss out . We will see about Lockett .
I want to see some more of Geno playing sharp and getting early scores . He needs it . Pete does . Maybe 7-10 exceeded expectations but when you’re 6-3 it don’t cut it for Pete or Geno or anyone . Lots on the line here . Unanswered questions .


Does anyone think Drew Lock has potential or just a waste of a roster spot ? Truly curious the opinions .

[RiverDog]

I’m not a draft guru . Is there a great safety ? I think we have to have better play there too.

I'd be OK taking a safety with a pick outside of the top 10, but not with the pick we're getting from Denver.

Does anyone think Drew Lock has potential or just a waste of a roster spot ? Truly curious the opinions .

He was given an opportunity to compete for the starting job this season and lost. He's a free agent at the end of the season, so I say let him walk.

[Old but Slow]

It would seem prudent to play Lock some to find if he has gained from working with Waldron and behind Geno. Remember, Geno couldn't do it until he did. And it does not hurt to shop him if he happens to play well.

On a different slant, Rob Staton made an interesting comparison concerning our first pick. Some opinions seem to reflect taking Richardson as risky, but taking Carter is a sure thing. In fact, both are very athletic players who will put up good numbers at the combine, neither was a starter before this year, and neither put up great stats. Carter, for instance, has 6 sacks in 3 years. The numbers of flops in the top 10 is no greater for QBs than it is for defensive linemen. So, really not so cut and dried as it seems to many.

[govandals]

I’m not a draft guru . Is there a great safety ?

I'm no draft guru either, but I enjoy watching a good amount of tape this time of year. Seems to me it's an average at best safety class at the top. At SS, I really like Jordan Battle from Alabama. Well-rounded player with good size. I like him a lot. Also, JL Skinner from Boise St. Big guy at 6'4", 220 lbs. Big hitter. Rob Staton compares him to Kam, but I think that's very generous. I think both of these guys are 2nd rounders that will be on PCJSs' radar assuming they cut Jamal Adams.

At FS, I like Christopher Smith from Georgia. Good awareness and ball skills, though I wish he had more length. Probably a second rounder as well.

[govandals]

Does anyone think Drew Lock has potential or just a waste of a roster spot ? Truly curious the opinions .

I think they bring Lock back on the cheap. After spending this whole season on the bench, I can't see him having any market whatsoever this offseason. I am OK with him as Geno's backup or as competition for a rookie draft pick.

[Aseahawkfan]

It would seem prudent to play Lock some to find if he has gained from working with Waldron and behind Geno. Remember, Geno couldn't do it until he did. And it does not hurt to shop him if he happens to play well.

On a different slant, Rob Staton made an interesting comparison concerning our first pick. Some opinions seem to reflect taking Richardson as risky, but taking Carter is a sure thing. In fact, both are very athletic players who will put up good numbers at the combine, neither was a starter before this year, and neither put up great stats. Carter, for instance, has 6 sacks in 3 years. The numbers of flops in the top 10 is no greater for QBs than it is for defensive linemen. So, really not so cut and dried as it seems to many.

I'd be ok with them taking the best pick available myself. Just the best guy you know will make it on the list. Then again that didn't work out too well with Aaron Curry sadly.

[RiverDog]

Does anyone think Drew Lock has potential or just a waste of a roster spot ? Truly curious the opinions .

I think they bring Lock back on the cheap. After spending this whole season on the bench, I can't see him having any market whatsoever this offseason. I am OK with him as Geno's backup or as competition for a rookie draft pick.

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I don't have a problem bringing Lock back. I'm just not under the illusion that he might turn out to be our QBOTF.

[Hawktawk]

Does anyone think Drew Lock has potential or just a waste of a roster spot ? Truly curious the opinions .

I think they bring Lock back on the cheap. After spending this whole season on the bench, I can't see him having any market whatsoever this offseason. I am OK with him as Geno's backup or as competition for a rookie draft pick.

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I don't have a problem bringing Lock back. I'm just not under the illusion that he might turn out to be our QBOTF.[/quote]

To be fair to Lock you weren’t under the illusion Geno could start either . I wasn’t either before he went 98 on the Rams . I’m not happy with his recent performances but we’re 7-8 and have lost games scoring 23,24, 32 and 34 points . He’s far overperformed

So I look at guys who found Russ, identified what Geno had and I’ve heard Pete praise Lock most of the season “ swag moments “ nipping at Genos heels in practice “.
Just more used car salesman bs? With the track record maybe not .

And I heard ADB talking about Tavares Jackson on Seattle sports radio the other day . He was talking about what a great locker room leader he was , how he would invite the rookies over and cook meals for them, take care of them, be a leader . He loves T Jack to this day .

Pete and John have had a good plan at the position for most of the 13 years here .

I’m certainly not rooting for a loss but if we do why not start Lock week 18? See what a year in the system has done for him .

[NorthHawk]

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Pete and John have had a good plan at the position for most of the 13 years here

I'm not sure they really had any plan at QB. Look at the players they had at the position and it's been said that PC was pushing back when JS wanted to draft Wilson.
They were just lucky that other teams hadn't drafted Wilson prior to our pick in the 3rd round. Nobody thought he was going to be the starter come opening day and it
wasn't just because of the money they spent on that QB from GB. They just didn't expect him to be good enough to start as a rookie. It's the same type of plan they've
had for the interior of the OL after trading away Unger about 7 years ago and the plan they have for adding to the Pass Rush for the last 5 years. Which seemingly is
no plan at all.

Pete kept pushing Lock as being in the competition because he didn't think Geno was the answer. There's no other reason to not name him the starter even at the beginning
of the season if he truly believed in him and had a real plan.

Overall for this team it would suggest the plan is a year to year stop gap effort to shore up obvious weaknesses. We saw it with Richardson, Clowney and Adams and with some of their
wasted draft picks in a desperate attempt to salvage a season all the while under the impression we were only one or two players from a championship run.

[RiverDog]

Pete and John have had a good plan at the position for most of the 13 years here

I'm not sure they really had any plan at QB. Look at the players they had at the position and it's been said that PC was pushing back when JS wanted to draft Wilson.
They were just lucky that other teams hadn't drafted Wilson prior to our pick in the 3rd round. Nobody thought he was going to be the starter come opening day and it
wasn't just because of the money they spent on that QB from GB. They just didn't expect him to be good enough to start as a rookie. It's the same type of plan they've
had for the interior of the OL after trading away Unger about 7 years ago and the plan they have for adding to the Pass Rush for the last 5 years. Which seemingly is
no plan at all.

Pete kept pushing Lock as being in the competition because he didn't think Geno was the answer. There's no other reason to not name him the starter even at the beginning
of the season if he truly believed in him and had a real plan.

Overall for this team it would suggest the plan is a year to year stop gap effort to shore up obvious weaknesses. We saw it with Richardson, Clowney and Adams and with some of their
wasted draft picks in a desperate attempt to salvage a season all the while under the impression we were only one or two players from a championship run.

They had a couple of plans for QB, but they didn't work out. We traded a #3 for Clipboard Jesus and signed Matt Flynn as the most sought-after quarterback in free agency before they hit the jackpot with Russell. I'm not sure if we can call that a 'good' plan, more like a stroke of good fortune.

As far as a post-Russell QB 'plan', there really wasn't one. Lock was a toss in on the Russell trade and we didn't resign Geno until late in free agency, and even then, it was just a one year deal. I don't call that much of a plan.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

It's still wide open what they'll do. I like the idea of not going for a QB with one of the 4 top picks availble next year. (the 2 1's and 2 2's). The 49ers are showing what can be done when you have a great front 7 and skill position players. Purdy isn't asked to do much; though, I do wonder when he'll come back down to earth. Geno could do a lot of damage if the rest of the team is filled out. The fact that the Seahwks could nab LB, DL, DE, and OL with the first 4 picks is hard to pass up.

Also not against the logic of using one of those picks on a QB, since you have 3 more and the rest of the draft to shore up the rest of the team. My preference is the first, but I can see where the second option makes sense.

[Hawktawk]

HT.
“Pete and John have had a good plan at the position for most of the 13 years here [/quote]

I'm not sure they really had any plan at QB. Look at the players they had at the position and it's been said that PC was pushing back when JS wanted to draft Wilson.
They were just lucky that other teams hadn't drafted Wilson prior to our pick in the 3rd round. Nobody thought he was going to be the starter come opening day and it
wasn't just because of the money they spent on that QB from GB. They just didn't expect him to be good enough to start as a rookie. It's the same type of plan they've
had for the interior of the OL after trading away Unger about 7 years ago and the plan they have for adding to the Pass Rush for the last 5 years. Which seemingly is
no plan at all”


“KJ Wright has said that the Graham trade was done to appease team 3 as Russ wanted Graham with whom he had as a teammate and target . Maybe quit blaming Pete for appeasing Russ.
The locker room was greatly split and everyone knew why the trade happened . Many players couldn’t stand Graham as he did not represent the toughness they prided themselves on .
That’s per KJ”

“Pete kept pushing Lock as being in the competition because he didn't think Geno was the answer. There's no other reason to not name him the starter even at the beginning
of the season if he truly believed in him and had a real plan.
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“ Ht Nonsense . Drew was at a huge disadvantage as Geno had been in the system 4 seasons and played good to excellent over 13 quarters last year as well . Still , while Pete made clear Geno was in the lead he had scheduled Drew for the start of game 3 . Then he got Covid . That’s where he lost it . But I think he had a chance .

I also think Pete believed in Geno from day one . He said a while back that Geno was starter ready when he showed up but “ we had an established starter . There was never a question about that “
I wonder what might have happened if Russ were here playing like this with Geno on the bench this year . Glad we don’t have to find out . “


“ rd They had a couple of plans for QB, but they didn't work out. We traded a #3 for Clipboard Jesus and signed Matt Flynn as the most sought-after quarterback in free agency before they hit the jackpot with Russell. I'm not sure if we can call that a 'good' plan, more like a stroke of good fortune.”

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When they hit a pick or a free agent pickup they got lucky . When they miss they are idiots proving they got lucky when they hit . Whitehurst won in effect a playoff game . Minus the coveted third round pick and also winning beast quake we won a Lombardi 3 years later with these idiots running the team . When Flynn was signed there was no Russel and it took medicine balls for Pete to start a 3rd round runt . But he got lucky . The media and fans were as crazy as when he said we’re riding with Geno . “

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As far as a post-Russell QB 'plan', there really wasn't one. Lock was a toss in on the Russell trade and we didn't resign Geno until late in free agency, and even then, it was just a one year deal. I don't call that much of a plan.[/quote]

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Geno was plan A. Drew was plan B. And as Wyman said it was a forced rebuild. They repeatedly bypassed QBs in the draft as well as high priced options like mayfield and JG. This was OBVIOUSLY planned .

But I’ve mentioned this time and again and you just plow right though it for you dishonest narrative regarding Geno off-season .
Pete defended him immediately after his DUI, said it would be cleaned up by the next season. That was 2 months before the trade . The day it was possible to offer a contract it was offered and Pete made a public plea to Geno to sign it “ take advantage of your opportunity “ it was weeks later Geno signed . Geno held out . I though it was odd. But it’s what happened . It’s a flat out lie to say Seattle didn’t have interest day one . If they bid against themselves with a multi year deal you would say they are dumber still .
Unthankful .

[NorthHawk]

If they had so much faith in Geno, why did their convictions limit their offer to one year?
Maybe that’s why Geno didn’t sign right away. He wanted a longer deal but our FO didn’t believe in him.

It’s what makes sense.

[RiverDog]

If they had so much faith in Geno, why did their convictions limit their offer to one year?
Maybe that’s why Geno didn’t sign right away. He wanted a longer deal but our FO didn’t believe in him.

It’s what makes sense.

Not only that, but had Geno always been their Plan A, they would never have had a QB competition last summer.

[Hawktawk]

If they had so much faith in Geno, why did their convictions limit their offer to one year?
Maybe that’s why Geno didn’t sign right away. He wanted a longer deal but our FO didn’t believe in him.

It’s what makes sense.

Not only that, but had Geno always been their Plan A, they would never have had a QB competition last summer.[/quote]

I suppose you could say it’s true . What is true is they offered a deal the minute they could and in fact Geno is sitting here at 27 TDs and 4 k yards . What in the F does it matter ? They got “ Lucky” again cause they are stupid otherwise . Lol .

It was prudent to see what Lock looked like as a highly regarded second round pick John and Pete liked out of college . Pete made clear Geno was in the lead from day one , even when idiot fans screamed for Lock as he blew hot reads and threw picks .

But smart to play it the way they did . Nobody in the world other than a few in this forum would say they got the 2022 starter wrong . But some are rooting for the guy to fail so they can beat their chest about how bad Pete sucks .

[RiverDog]

I suppose you could say it’s true . What is true is they offered a deal the minute they could and in fact Geno is sitting here at 27 TDs and 4 k yards . What in the F does it matter ? They got “ Lucky” again cause they are stupid otherwise . Lol .

You're the one that claimed that Pete and John have had a good plan at the position (QB) for most of the 13 years here, which would seem to have included this season as you claimed that Geno was Plan A, meaning that Pete envisioned him as the starter from the moment Russell was traded. We've simply contested that argument of yours.

It was prudent to see what Lock looked like as a highly regarded second round pick John and Pete liked out of college . Pete made clear Geno was in the lead from day one , even when idiot fans screamed for Lock as he blew hot reads and threw picks.

I agree with your first sentence, but not the second.

It was clear from Day one AFTER we resigned Geno, after it was apparent that we weren't going to be bringing in Jimmy G., Mayfield, and after it became apparent that we weren't drafting a QB. In fact, Pete didn't even say that Geno had the edge over Lock until minicamp in June after the roster had been determined.