We Move up to #2 with Act of God for Baker Mayfield

[RiverDog]

Russ working hard is a myth

I've been trying to stay away from your blatant Russ hate but this is just a lie. Nobody that Russ has ever played with or for has ever said that he was anything but one of the hardest working players they'd ever been associated with. He may well have hit his wall (though I doubt it) but this is just makin' sh!t up. Kicking a man while he's down is bad enough, but lying to make the kick that much harder is just embarrassing. I'd say you're better than that but the way you've acted this year I'm not so sure that you are anymore.

I'm with Cbob on this one. I don't see any evidence that Russell has lost any of the work ethic that allowed him to overcome the odds and play professional football at a very high level when he broke into the league as a rookie.

It's not clear to me who's decision it was for him to sit out the preseason. It was likely a joint decision between him and his coaches. IMO it was a mistake that he didn't as he was learning a new offense and new teammates, but I see nothing to indicate that it was Russell being lazy. Most starting QB's don't play, or at least don't play very much, in the preseason.

You can't take a random photograph of Russell sitting in a lounge chair and project it over 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. I'm not saying that Russell hasn't lost any of his work ethic, only that you cannot say with any degree of certainty that he doesn't work as hard today as we all know that he once did.

But I do disagree with Cbob about Russ hitting a wall. His skill set has diminished, and he has yet to adjust his game for it. Although I don't think he's going to be out of the league in two years like HT does, he's going to have to re-invent himself if he wants to regain the magic, something I said over a year ago. I have my doubts that he can do it.

[Hawktawk]

I've been trying to stay away from your blatant Russ hate but this is just a lie. Nobody that Russ has ever played with or for has ever said that he was anything but one of the hardest working players they'd ever been associated with. He may well have hit his wall (though I doubt it) but this is just makin' sh!t up. Kicking a man while he's down is bad enough, but lying to make the kick that much harder is just embarrassing. I'd say you're better than that but the way you've acted this year I'm not so sure that you are anymore.

Bob, there is no better more loyal fan then you. I've always been a bit ruthless. You and I scuffled over whether SA was done. he was. Hass. Ditto. Me suggestion Whitehurst might be a better option not so much. Or Seneca

But Bob were on like page 16 of the Russel Wilson thread River started. Id say well over 50% lovin it.
Beyond that his own teammates who went to war with him are harsher than I. You hear what you want to hear in life Bob be it sports or politics.
I heard KJ Wright on Brock and Salk. KJ likes Russ and respects him so he was very careful how he worded it but he talked about all the stories that will need to be told. The animosity, the feeling Russ DIDNT work as hard as others. The fact Graham was a Hawk and Unger not because Russ was buddies with Graham, wanted him and Pete and John accomodated their franchise QB. It destroyed the locker room because guys didn't like him,, didn't think he was tough enough. The conflict and tension escalating year by year. Seeing some of his former teammates on social media ripping him now , its a lot more significant then an old fuzzball in a chat forum. Baldwin is absolutely brutal with his memes, lots of NFL guys all over the league.
As for working hard I think at one time he did work very hard, before Ciara and all the outside business stuff.
But in Denver? Teammates and Hackett answered questions from DENVER MEDIA all summer as he flew around in his lear jet to red carpet event after event. Then hes described by DENVER MEDIA as "underwhelming" in TC yet skips preseason. Then with the season officially a dumpster fire off to Cabo for a week to tweet "keep working" How do you think his teammates feel?.

Bob hes not a hard worker anymore. as a player hes not jut a middle of the pack hack. Hes a bum. At this point its sad, really almost unwatchable after what we saw for 9 years . But maybe I'm a fan better suited for Philadelphia or something because if you cant play goodbye and if you cast shade on my organization and me by association I am not going to like you for a while.
Its no different than Hutch.Its sports hatred, fan hatred. I dont hate the man or anything of the sort. I hated how he acted.

[NorthHawk]

Greg Olsen was the perfect example.
Russ called him when he was acquired by Seattle and spent about 90 minutes going over plays and concepts - in the off season.
And Olsen said he never wavered from that commitment all year long. So not putting in the hours has to be a bit of a stretch.

[Hawktawk]

Greg Olsen was the perfect example.
Russ called him when he was acquired by Seattle and spent about 90 minutes going over plays and concepts - in the off season.
And Olsen said he never wavered from that commitment all year long. So not putting in the hours has to be a bit of a stretch.

There’s hours and there’s hours .Greg Olsen spent 1 season with Russ late in his time here . River shared a Sports illustrated article from 2017 a couple years back talking about a fracture in the locker room .

Some of the issues were different treatment for russ ie a lack of accountability for mistakes .

Also a perception he didn’t put in enough work to justify his preferential treatment .

The source was reputed to be Sherman and I didn’t like it , didn’t believe it but here we are .

Like Olsen some of Russels best friends are guys that catch his passes over the last few years . Based on what I’ve seen of Baldwin he doesn’t like him at all.

Most defenders from the championship years make clear they don’t like him much at all .

Point being north there’s more than one report he wasn’t working as hard as his social media campaign said . I think a lot of urban legends about Russ are being exposed . Especially in Denver . You’re not working having your “ people “ sending you playbooks on Skype when you’re in Cabo . 2012 Russ would have lived at the complex until he knew it was down .

As I’ve said he will pull a mayfield at mile high and shut us all up the way this year has gone .

[RiverDog]

Greg Olsen was the perfect example.
Russ called him when he was acquired by Seattle and spent about 90 minutes going over plays and concepts - in the off season.
And Olsen said he never wavered from that commitment all year long. So not putting in the hours has to be a bit of a stretch.

There’s hours and there’s hours .Greg Olsen spent 1 season with Russ late in his time here . River shared a Sports illustrated article from 2017 a couple years back talking about a fracture in the locker room .

Some of the issues were different treatment for russ ie a lack of accountability for mistakes .

Also a perception he didn’t put in enough work to justify his preferential treatment .

The source was reputed to be Sherman and I didn’t like it , didn’t believe it but here we are .

Like Olsen some of Russels best friends are guys that catch his passes over the last few years . Based on what I’ve seen of Baldwin he doesn’t like him at all.

Most defenders from the championship years make clear they don’t like him much at all .

Point being north there’s more than one report he wasn’t working as hard as his social media campaign said . I think a lot of urban legends about Russ are being exposed . Especially in Denver . You’re not working having your “ people “ sending you playbooks on Skype when you’re in Cabo . 2012 Russ would have lived at the complex until he knew it was down .

As I’ve said he will pull a mayfield at mile high and shut us all up the way this year has gone .

I actually agree with a lot of that. There's quite a bit of evidence that there was considerable friction in the locker room involving Russell and the LOB defense. It's where the "not black enough" BS came from, mostly from players on defense. But that was directed as much toward Pete, if not more, as it was Russell. The accusation was that Pete would openly call out others for their mistakes but wouldn't call out Russell for his, that he protected Russell. This led to the sense that Russell was a bit of a brown noser, too close to the all white management, ie "not black enough."

But I also vividly recall the play in SB 50 where Cam Newton, in the 4th quarter of a one score game, refused to jump on a loose ball, later saying that he was afraid he'd get hurt. Several members of our defense responded immediately saying that their quarterback wouldn't have hesitated a nanosecond, that he would have crawled through the hubs of hell to get that ball back.

That doesn't sound to me like players that would question Russell's work ethic. IMO Russell had more problems with his teammates than many want to admit, but I have never heard that a poor work ethic was one of their complaints.

[Aseahawkfan]

But Bob were on like page 16 of the Russel Wilson thread River started. Id say well over 50% lovin it.
Beyond that his own teammates who went to war with him are harsher than I. You hear what you want to hear in life Bob be it sports or politics.
I heard KJ Wright on Brock and Salk. KJ likes Russ and respects him so he was very careful how he worded it but he talked about all the stories that will need to be told. The animosity, the feeling Russ DIDNT work as hard as others. The fact Graham was a Hawk and Unger not because Russ was buddies with Graham, wanted him and Pete and John accomodated their franchise QB. It destroyed the locker room because guys didn't like him,, didn't think he was tough enough. The conflict and tension escalating year by year. Seeing some of his former teammates on social media ripping him now , its a lot more significant then an old fuzzball in a chat forum. Baldwin is absolutely brutal with his memes, lots of NFL guys all over the league.
As for working hard I think at one time he did work very hard, before Ciara and all the outside business stuff.
But in Denver? Teammates and Hackett answered questions from DENVER MEDIA all summer as he flew around in his lear jet to red carpet event after event. Then hes described by DENVER MEDIA as "underwhelming" in TC yet skips preseason. Then with the season officially a dumpster fire off to Cabo for a week to tweet "keep working" How do you think his teammates feel?.

Bob hes not a hard worker anymore. as a player hes not jut a middle of the pack hack. Hes a bum. At this point its sad, really almost unwatchable after what we saw for 9 years . But maybe I'm a fan better suited for Philadelphia or something because if you cant play goodbye and if you cast shade on my organization and me by association I am not going to like you for a while.
Its no different than Hutch.Its sports hatred, fan hatred. I dont hate the man or anything of the sort. I hated how he acted.

You don't know Russ at all. So not sure why you continue to insist you do and just make yourself look like such a liar.

[jshawaii22]

I've been trying to stay away from your blatant Russ hate but this is just a lie. Nobody that Russ has ever played with or for has ever said that he was anything but one of the hardest working players they'd ever been associated with.

That may of been true the first few years but year after SB2 he lost the locker room. And don't try to tell me he didn't. The leaders of the defense didn't like his 'attitude' and basically bailed on the team as soon as they could.
Maybe it's unfair, but I still blame Ciera for his 'mental' downfall, starting with the ex-boyfriend threatening his life, very publicly. It all went downhill for him after that. I'm going to "assume" that PC/JS saw the same downward spiral both in the clubhouse and on the field that is very evident over the last 3 years with the Seahawks and into his first year with Denver. How Denver missed all this is unfathomable and may end up the biggest mistake that their management will ever make, to our benefit.

[Aseahawkfan]

[That may of been true the first few years but year after SB2 he lost the locker room. And don't try to tell me he didn't. The leaders of the defense didn't like his 'attitude' and basically bailed on the team as soon as they could.
Maybe it's unfair, but I still blame Ciera for his 'mental' downfall, starting with the ex-boyfriend threatening his life, very publicly. It all went downhill for him after that. I'm going to "assume" that PC/JS saw the same downward spiral both in the clubhouse and on the field that is very evident over the last 3 years with the Seahawks and into his first year with Denver. How Denver missed all this is unfathomable and may end up the biggest mistake that their management will ever make, to our benefit.

Why do you gossips just make this stuff up putting together various elements of some guys life to fashion some theory?

So what's your theory as to why Sherm fell off and never reached the same level again elsewhere? Or Kam? Or Earl? Or Marshawn? Or why Sherm is getting DV charges for getting drunk and going after his wife? Or Shawn ending up drunk in his car somewhere? Or the drop off of the defense after the Legion of Boom was gone and Pete was treating Russ like any other QB? Spin us a new yarn for all of that and somehow tie it all together as Russ's fault.

I swear some of you like to go deep down the rabbit hole.

How about? Aaron Rodgers has one Super Bowl. Drew Brees has one Super Bowl. Kurt Warner has one Super Bowl. Dan Marino has none. What's all their excuses? Dating the wrong women?

I guess Brady has seven rings because he married Giselle Bundchen. Every QB should marry a Brazilian Super Model if they want to win the most rings.

This is as bad a celebrity rag some of the tales you all spin to explain things.

[Hawktawk]

Asea you’re admirable in defense of Russ.
but those of you who hold dear this image of Go Hawks Russell on and off the field from 2012 ?
He died a long time ago . And rag on your fellow shackers all you like for sharing report after report from sports media that he was part of the problem , that he talked a better game than he played about his much work he put in . That he was a divisive force in the locker room .
You’re the one who doesn’t know who Russ is anymore .

[RiverDog]

Asea you’re admirable in defense of Russ.
but those of you who hold dear this image of Go Hawks Russell on and off the field from 2012 ?
He died a long time ago . And rag on your fellow shackers all you like for sharing report after report from sports media that he was part of the problem , that he talked a better game than he played about his much work he put in . That he was a divisive force in the locker room .
You’re the one who doesn’t know who Russ is anymore .

HT, my friend, we have enough dirt on Russell's demise without having to make these assumptions about his personal life or his relationship with his teammates. We have hard, undeniable facts, like his 3rd down completion percentage, his failure to throw across the middle, or his passer rating, without going into his relationship with his wife or his use of his private plane to make a trip to Mexico during their bye. We have enough observable, imperial evidence that he's not a top 5 or top 10 QB, or as you are suggesting, all washed up, without trying to connect the dots with all this gossip and innuendo that you've been coming up with.

I don't want to speak for ASF or Cbob, but to a guy that's forcing himself to look at the situation objectively, that appears to be what is causing the angst that they've expressed about your musings.

[Hawktawk]

HT, my friend, we have enough dirt on Russell's demise without having to make these assumptions about his personal life or his relationship with his teammates. We have hard, undeniable facts, like his 3rd down completion percentage, his failure to throw across the middle, or his passer rating, without going into his relationship with his wife or his use of his private plane to make a trip to Mexico during their bye. We have enough observable, imperial evidence that he's not a top 5 or top 10 QB, or as you are suggesting, all washed up, without trying to connect the dots with all this gossip and innuendo that you've been coming up with.

I don't want to speak for ASF or Cbob, but to a guy that's forcing himself to look at the situation objectively, that appears to be what is causing the angst that they've expressed about your musings.

KJ Wright on the Brock and Salk show live was the source of my latest rumor and innuendo. Any number of former players have dropped dimes starting with the SI article you shared. Who do you believe? KJ or Russ? Storming coached meetings demanding control over the offense. obsessed with MVP. Threw Schottie under the bus then praised him.
Do you think there's a deep seated reason for Pete's chippiness post trade ? You cool with Russel "Mental leaders already here so I dont have to do it all myself" a week before kickoff?
I retract nothing, saw his decline. When hit too much came out I know he was done in seattle. I dont wish physical injury and hope hes ok but it dont change the facts.

I'm starting to wonder what might have happened in 2015 and 16 with a mostly intact LOB if his head had been on straight instead of up Ciaras ....

[RiverDog]

KJ Wright on the Brock and Salk show live was the source of my latest rumor and innuendo. Any number of former players have dropped dimes starting with the SI article you shared. Who do you believe? KJ or Russ? Storming coached meetings demanding control over the offense. obsessed with MVP. Threw Schottie under the bus then praised him.
Do you think there's a deep seated reason for Pete's chippiness post trade ? You cool with Russel "Mental leaders already here so I dont have to do it all myself" a week before kickoff?
I retract nothing, saw his decline. When hit too much came out I know he was done in seattle. I dont wish physical injury and hope hes ok but it dont change the facts.

I'm starting to wonder what might have happened in 2015 and 16 with a mostly intact LOB if his head had been on straight instead of up Ciaras ....

I don't have to believe either. It's supermarket tabloid material, nothing that I care about. I simply don't engage in that kind of stuff, especially at this point as it's water under the bridge. Who cares what went on in the locker room in 2015 and 2016? Like my old man used to say, no sense crying over spilled milk. Besides, even if everything you said about Russell is true, how does it apply to 2022 or 2023?

The season is 3/4 in the books, and we're still in the playoff hunt. A lot of our future depends on the outcome of these last 4 games. Win out and we'll make the playoffs as one of the hottest teams in the league, with a pack of promising rookies, a gaggle of high draft picks, and a bright future ahead of us. Lose out and we have some decisions to make about our long term future. Split them and we're somewhere in the middle. That's the type of stuff that interests me, not some bedroom politics that might or might not have gone on behind closed doors 6 or 7 years ago.