Panthers Game

[obiken]

Usually I never try to make a bold prediction, when I do I am .500 at best! However, I really think the Panthers pull the upset on this. Jacobs 200 yds on the ground, and we cannot stop the run, our defense is getting worse not better. Hope I am wrong.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm saying Seahawks at home against a weak team: 30 to 17 Seahawks. Geno leads the offense to a fairly easy win and the defense finds their mojo again against the Panthers.

[RiverDog]

Duplicate thread.

I'm on record as our losing this one 24-22.

[obiken]

I'm saying Seahawks at home against a weak team: 30 to 17 Seahawks. Geno leads the offense to a fairly easy win and the defense finds their mojo again against the Panthers.

May all your sayings be true!!

[Stream Hawk]

Usually I never try to make a bold prediction, when I do I am .500 at best! However, I really think the Panthers pull the upset on this. Jacobs 200 yds on the ground, and we cannot stop the run, our defense is getting worse not better. Hope I am wrong.

Shocker Obi picking a Hawks loss . I’ll go 31-17 Hawks. Travis homer special. K9 likely out - unfortunate for my fantasy team Hoping he’s ready to rock 4 days later! Geno/DK/Tyler continue their hot hand. I also think Pete gets the D fired up and they show some dominance against a weaker opponent at home.

[obiken]

Shocker Obi picking a Hawks loss . I’ll go 31-17 Hawks. Travis homer special. K9 likely out - unfortunate for my fantasy team Hoping he’s ready to rock 4 days later! Geno/DK/Tyler continue their hot hand. I also think Pete gets the D fired up and they show some dominance against a weaker opponent at home.

Always remember there is a vast difference between what I hope for the Hawks, and what I predict.

[RiverDog]

Shocker Obi picking a Hawks loss . I’ll go 31-17 Hawks. Travis homer special. K9 likely out - unfortunate for my fantasy team Hoping he’s ready to rock 4 days later! Geno/DK/Tyler continue their hot hand. I also think Pete gets the D fired up and they show some dominance against a weaker opponent at home.

Always remember there is a vast difference between what I hope for the Hawks, and what I predict.

I get the feeling that Obi is a lot like me in this regard. I've been burned so many times by getting my hopes and expectations all jacked up then having everything come crashing down in one big junk heap that I've conditioned myself to expect disaster and disappointment. I therefore intentionally lower my expectations. If we win, then I'm more excited than I would be otherwise as it's a huge surprise, and if we lose, I'm not nearly as bummed as it was what I expected.

So Obi, my friend, don't you ever let someone tell you that you're not a true Seahawk fan because you have adapted a somewhat pessimistic point of view.

[Aseahawkfan]

I feel better when obiken picks a loss. It feels like the Feng Shui is right and we will win. When obiken picks a win and starts to be optimistic, the feng shui is thrown off and the universe is out of balance and we have a higher chance of losing.

[obiken]

I get the feeling that Obi is a lot like me in this regard. I've been burned so many times by getting my hopes and expectations all jacked up then having everything come crashing down in one big junk heap that I've conditioned myself to expect disaster and disappointment. I therefore intentionally lower my expectations. If we win, then I'm more excited than I would be otherwise as it's a huge surprise, and if we lose, I'm not nearly as bummed as it was what I expected.

So Obi, my friend, don't you ever let someone tell you that you're not a true Seahawk fan because you have adapted a somewhat pessimistic point of view.

Thanks River! That's about it!!

[Stream Hawk]

Sorry for the personal accusation Obi. I know you are the ultimate Hawk through and through. I’m probably the biggest critic of Pete the last few years, just don’t post on here about it. It’s mainly his defense been driving me nuts this year. I still want to believe, and actually think we can win this game handily. TNF game is a different story

[Aseahawkfan]

We all know obiken is a Seahawks fan through and through. Never doubted it all these years (going on like 20 plus now) we've been posting on the same forum. The man bleeds Seahawk blue and he may set himself up for disappointment each week, we all know he really wants the win.

[Stream Hawk]

Absolutely. Obi bleeds blue and green. I think us toughest, most passionate fans come off as negative sometimes. I definitely remember Obi from the PI forum. Also, I believe, a liberal like me! Not to bring up politics. Hides.

[obiken]

Absolutely. Obi bleeds blue and green. I think us toughest, most passionate fans come off as negative sometimes. I definitely remember Obi from the PI forum. Also, I believe, a liberal like me! Not to bring up politics. Hides.

I am a Centrist with Leftist leanings! lol. PI Forum! Remember Phili 51, was he obnoxious, or what!!

[Aseahawkfan]

I was a conservative on the PI forum. Now I'm a centrist who doesn't care for either side. Too many politicians acting like The Prince thinking we're all too stupid to understand what they're doing or see through their hypocrisy and lies as they work policy to mostly benefit their wealthy and powerful backers. They are the voices of the Oligarchy paid well to manage the herd.

And I'll stop there so as not to make this overly political.

[obiken]

I was a conservative on the PI forum. Now I'm a centrist who doesn't care for either side. Too many politicians acting like The Prince thinking we're all too stupid to understand what they're doing or see through their hypocrisy and lies as they work policy to mostly benefit their wealthy and powerful backers. They are the voices of the Oligarchy paid well to manage the herd.

And I'll stop there so as not to make this overly political.

Man thats no joke! I am really sick of both Parties!

[RiverDog]

Yeah, lots of colorful characters on the old PI forum, Rottweiler, Political Football, Bird Droppings, and Obi's old nemesis from the Husky Football section Tailgator. That forum was my first foray into the wonderful world of internet blogging.

[obiken]

Hubbard is just gashing us!! gotta give it up for us coming back from 17-0 but I cannot believe our run defense!

[Aseahawkfan]

Well, I guess Geno does need a run game.

This team won't be right until they upgrade the D-line talent. If you can't stop the run, you're a defense on your back heels all the time letting the offense dictate to you. Until this D-line is upgraded as I've been banging the drum for for the last 3 or 4 years, this team is going to have trouble. Just like an offense with no O-line can't do much and is one dimensional at best, a defense isn't worth much without a strong D-line.

Frisco has no QB. An ok run game. Secondary is ok. But Frisco's front seven are one of the best groups in the NFL and they just dismantled the Buccs where we lost to them a few weeks ago.

We need a Bosa and some other front seven upgrades.

[RiverDog]

Well, I guess Geno does need a run game.

This team won't be right until they upgrade the D-line talent. If you can't stop the run, you're a defense on your back heels all the time letting the offense dictate to you. Until this D-line is upgraded as I've been banging the drum for for the last 3 or 4 years, this team is going to have trouble. Just like an offense with no O-line can't do much and is one dimensional at best, a defense isn't worth much without a strong D-line.

Frisco has no QB. An ok run game. Secondary is ok. But Frisco's front seven are one of the best groups in the NFL and they just dismantled the Buccs where we lost to them a few weeks ago.

We need a Bosa and some other front seven upgrades.

Most quarterbacks do need a run game, at least one better than what we've shown. 4 straight games under 100 total yards rushing, worse if you factor out QB scrambles. 3 of our last 4 games have seen less than 35 yards rushing out of our running backs. But the biggest factor was our inability to stop the run. Even when we knew that they were going to run in those last 5 minutes, we still couldn't stop them. The Panthers racked up 223 yards rushing in route to a nearly 20 minute TOP advantage. As poorly as Geno played, he still wasn't the root cause of the loss.

However, I do want to point out Ryan Neal's play today. The guy was everywhere, a lots better option than Jamal Adams.

If we lose to the Niners this Thursday, we might as well hang it up. The Niners looked invincible today, routing the Bucs with their last pick of the draft QB.

[c_hawkbob]

Can't run, can't stop the run, nothing new there. That and an uncharacteristically bad game from Geno and we wind up making a 4-8 team look like Super Bowl contenders.

Oh well, we've already won more than I thought we would and Denver is giving us a terrific draft choice so we're playing with house money anyway.

[obiken]

Can't run, can't stop the run, nothing new there. That and an uncharacteristically bad game from Geno and we wind up making a 4-8 team look like Super Bowl contenders.

Oh well, we've already won more than I thought we would and Denver is giving us a terrific draft choice so we're playing with house money anyway.

Bout it in a Nutshell CB. Not having Walker was huge.

[RiverDog]

Can't run, can't stop the run, nothing new there. That and an uncharacteristically bad game from Geno and we wind up making a 4-8 team look like Super Bowl contenders.

Oh well, we've already won more than I thought we would and Denver is giving us a terrific draft choice so we're playing with house money anyway.

Bout it in a Nutshell CB. Not having Walker was huge.

Sure, not having Walker hurt. But even when he was healthy, vs. the Bucs, Raiders, and part of the Rams game, we couldn't run the ball. Our problems run a lot deeper than the running backs.

And there's no Jell-O field excuse, either..as if there ever was one.

[trents]

No surprises involved in this game. Same problems. Same outcome.

I tell you what, though. I 'm really tired of the Seahawks analysts saying our D is getting gashed by other teams' run game because the Hawk D line is taking bad angles. No matter what angles they take, they're getting manhandled at the LOS.

[Hawktawk]

Wow
Depressing loss . Not surprising to me to lose to this or any team . Many upsets and near misses occurred today . But it’s how we lost that’s ripping the guts out of me . Sure we have no run defense or defense at all most of the time . Bad angles . Bad tackling . Flat footed . Pussies . Not proud . Once again it’s clear we’re back to missing Norton . Barring a 4 game resurgence Hurrt should be gone .
Then there was clock management by Pete , burning timeouts , punting down 2 scores late . Seemed a bit lost out there . We had no run . It freakin ticks me off we have lost every one of our many quality backs by week 12 for the last 6 years . Tip of the cup of crow for suggesting Homer could carry the load a game .
Then there was Geno , man of thr hour , quote of the week “ my tough times would be a dream to anyone else . “ the feel good story took a detour vs a gambling defense knowing we had to throw all night . The second pick was on the zebra as there was offsides but he still threw a bad ball. A bit more air DK is wide open . There were several others that could easily have been picked . For the first time in the uniform he seemed to be pressing , trying to do too much every play , maybe a bit Russel. First time I’d say he was a factor in the loss .

In the end 24 garbage time points , still an impressive total considering about 20 minutes TOP. A depressing loss that’s on every damn one on the team . A sickening loss . This isn’t a playoff team right now . We might get decapitated Thursday and if Asea is reading might want to update your comments on the 9ers qb situation . The rookie looked great today 35-7. First man to beat Brady facing him for the first time in his career .
The division is gone. This looks like a 7-10 team after today . Where are we getting a win ?

[Hawktawk]

And there's no Jell-O field excuse, either..as if there ever was one.

The field was jello . The Hawks teed off at 6:30 to Brady’s 9:30 . We entered the game as the hottest team in the league the previous 4 weeks . And for whatever reason after playing slip and slide for 60 minutes watching refs pick up flags and not quite overcoming it the team has not been the same .,all facts . Another fact I’m tired of your obnoxious needling. Not in the mood . Stuff it .

[Old but Slow]

Pete once said that you can't win the game in the first quarter. The Panthers just did.

[RiverDog]

And there's no Jell-O field excuse, either..as if there ever was one.

The field was jello . The Hawks teed off at 6:30 to Brady’s 9:30 . We entered the game as the hottest team in the league the previous 4 weeks . And for whatever reason after playing slip and slide for 60 minutes watching refs pick up flags and not quite overcoming it the team has not been the same .,all facts . Another fact I’m tired of your obnoxious needling. Not in the mood . Stuff it .

OK, whatever you say!

[RiverDog]

Pete once said that you can't win the game in the first quarter. The Panthers just did.

I'm not sure I agree completely with that. Yes, we got beat in the first quarter, which ultimately provided the margin. But we also got beat in the 4th.

[Hawktawk]

Pete once said that you can't win the game in the first quarter. The Panthers just did.

I don’t agree with that analysis . It was a 3 point game late . We had plenty of chances

[jshawaii22]

We lost because we couldn't stop the run and rarely got to attack their QB as we have little to no pass rush. The TOP was something like 2 to 1 in Carolina's favor. This isn't the first game our defense has been the issue. Today's lack of production made the Raiders and TBay losses that much easier to understand. They weren't 'flukes'... The truth is our front 7 on defense just isn't setup to perform at a high level this year.

We have a huge decision coming with the upcoming draft picks. We may have the option to take the first player that isn't a QB. We should be able to find something close to the next Aaron Donald or Von Miller type player.

I'm at the point where I would like to see Drew Lock play some of the time. We need to know if spending 25-30million a year for Geno is worth the investment.

[Hawktawk]

We lost because we couldn't stop the run and rarely got to attack their QB as we have little to no pass rush. The TOP was something like 2 to 1 in Carolina's favor. This isn't the first game our defense has been the issue. Today's lack of production made the Raiders and TBay losses that much easier to understand. They weren't 'flukes'... The truth is our front 7 on defense just isn't setup to perform at a high level this year.

We have a huge decision coming with the upcoming draft picks. We may have the option to take the first player that isn't a QB. We should be able to find something close to the next Aaron Donald or Von Miller type player.

I'm at the point where I would like to see Drew Lock play some of the time. We need to know if spending 25-30million a year for Geno is worth. the investment.

Geno battled illness well into the week and I saw a shoulder listed on the ir on Thursday which wasn’t explained or addressed by Geno or Pete . It’s a bad game by Geno along with everyone .
Even if they know you have to throw you can’t throw it to them. It was a tough day.

I think if we had a front seven and a decent defensive coordinator Geno would be sitting at 10 wins at least . I don’t think it’s right or the best thing to pull Geno on a team with playoff chances at 42 % post game . He’s all we’ve had on offense. We entered the game with the #4 scoring offense . Might still be

But that might all change Thursday . The 9ers made a fool out of TomPon. Their rookie qb is the new darling feel good story . It might be over by halftime . Maybe the first quarter . I’ll not predict a loss or bad performance by Geno . Dak and Mahomes had to hang on vs bad teams and without actual defenses they lose . Week to week who knows .

It’s a point to ponder though . We go to 7-7 and Geno isn’t sharp again maybe start looking at what you have in Lock . It’s the first time all year Geno looked stressed out , like it was catching up with him carrying the offense . I root for him personally to succeed and as an organization we need to do what’s best for the team .
Anyone watching who thinks we should trade up for a quarterback is looking at the shiny object . Unless it’s the next Mahomes we need front 7 first 3 picks at least and o line before qb. Whether we pay Geno 30 or see if we can get similar production out of Drew cheaper is a good question . Let’s see after next game .

[obiken]

It’s a point to ponder though . We go to 7-7 and Geno isn’t sharp again maybe start looking at what you have in Lock . It’s the first time all year Geno looked stressed out , like it was catching up with him carrying the offense . I root for him personally to succeed and as an organization we need to do what’s best for the team .
Anyone watching who thinks we should trade up for a quarterback is looking at the shiny object . Unless it’s the next Mahomes we need front 7 first 3 picks at least and o line before qb. Whether we pay Geno 30 or see if we can get similar production out of Drew cheaper is a good question . Let’s see after next game .

NO, I told you at the beginning of the year that Lock was the great trap. Geno is not a franchise QB, but Lock is a turnover machine, stay away from him!!

[RiverDog]

Even though Geno had one of his worst outings, a sub 60% completion percentage and two bad picks, his play wasn't the root cause of our defeat. If I were to rank our problems, stopping the run would rank as the #1 problem, not being able to run the ball would be #2, and QB play #3. This is almost exactly the same reasons as we've lost in our previous 3 losses, and things aren't going to get any better until we address those top two issues.

Regarding Geno's 2nd interception, it was pretty obvious that he made the assumption that he had a free play, that a Panther DL had jumped into the neutral zone. There's no excuse for that as when a defensive offside occurs, the refs absolutely launch their flag as high as they can just for that purpose, so that everyone can see that a penalty has occurred.

As far as giving Lock some playing time, I'd rather wait until we're a little further down the road. As bad as we've looked recently, we're still in the thick of things. If we pull off an upset this Thursday, we're right back in the thick of things, and right now, Geno gives us the best chance of winning.

There was a lot bad QB play yesterday. Mahomes threw three bad picks, Dak threw two, and the Goat threw two, plus Derek Carr stunk up the joint last Thursday by throwing two picks. Tua didn't throw any interceptions, but he didn't throw any TD passes, either, looked horrible for his 2nd straight game.

[Aseahawkfan]

Put a team around Geno and he can get you to the playoffs. But you gotta have a defense and run game. The 49ers are a prime example of winning with a run game and a defense as they're playing their third string QB.

Geno isn't a carry the team QB like Russ was, he's a very competent and solid QB who can get the job done as long as the pieces around him are good. Hell, even Russ isn't a carry the team QB any more. So best to have a good team if you want to win it all because even great QBs like Rodgers and Brees and Mahomes can't get it done if they run into a buzzsaw and they have weak pieces of wood around them. Because they might last a while, but eventually buzzsaw is going to get them. Right now the 49ers defense is a buzzsaw to anyone playing them.

[Hawktawk]

Call me crazy
I feel better about the 9ers then I’ve felt since before the second Az game . Everyone knows it’s a game we have to win but are supposed to lose . It’s that kind of year .

But if we’re not going to the postseason what’s the plan ? Geno yeah or nay ?

If we had a defense at all other than 4 games we are cruising to the postseason . But River is old and he keeps repeating stuff about ifs and buts and aunts and uncles and balls or the lack thereof among other things

We didn’t have a d . We’ve lost games scoring 23, 24, 32, 34 points .
It’s a 4 game audition now. If Geno plays well enough to beat the 9ers sign him post game to a 3 year deal . That’s our mountain to climb in the division .
He gets blown out ? I would not mind seeing a bit of Drew if we have no realistic opportunity to make the postseason . At least a few drives . If he shows well maybe he’s in our future plans . I think we know who Geno is in 2022 which is damn solid .

[Hawktawk]

Even though Geno had one of his worst outings, a sub 60% completion percentage and two bad picks, his play wasn't the root cause of our defeat. If I were to rank our problems, stopping the run would rank as the #1 problem, not being able to run the ball would be #2, and QB play #3. This is almost exactly the same reasons as we've lost in our previous 3 losses, and things aren't going to get any better until we address those top two issues.

Regarding Geno's 2nd interception, it was pretty obvious that he made the assumption that he had a free play, that a Panther DL had jumped into the neutral zone. There's no excuse for that as when a defensive offside occurs, the refs absolutely launch their flag as high as they can just for that purpose, so that everyone can see that a penalty has occurred.

As far as giving Lock some playing time, I'd rather wait until we're a little further down the road. As bad as we've looked recently, we're still in the thick of things. If we pull off an upset this Thursday, we're right back in the thick of things, and right now, Geno gives us the best chance of winning.

There was a lot bad QB play yesterday. Mahomes threw three bad picks, Dak threw two, and the Goat threw two, plus Derek Carr stunk up the joint last Thursday by throwing two picks. Tua didn't throw any interceptions, but he didn't throw any TD passes, either, looked horrible for his 2nd straight game.

The second pick was the biggest momentum killer in the game imo , worse then the first . There was an uncalled pi on a free play earlier that was a 30 yard swing as we got 5 yards only . Weird crew . Incompetent . As the day went on I counted numerous non calls vs BOTH teams , obvious critical misses or just decisions not to throw it . Thr crew chief Carl Cheffers was the chief clown on that non call in the 2019 NFC title game . Maybe they really are legally blind . NFL officiating is a joke . Don’t misunderstand they didn’t determine the outcome as knowing a team is gonna run and getting pancaked is why we lost but the way they called the game deprived us at critical moments . Cheffers should have been fired in 2019. Worst officials in pro sports .

[RiverDog]

Call me crazy
I feel better about the 9ers then I’ve felt since before the second Az game . Everyone knows it’s a game we have to win but are supposed to lose . It’s that kind of year .

But if we’re not going to the postseason what’s the plan ? Geno yeah or nay ?

If we had a defense at all other than 4 games we are cruising to the postseason . But River is old and he keeps repeating stuff about ifs and buts and aunts and uncles and balls or the lack thereof among other things

We didn’t have a d . We’ve lost games scoring 23, 24, 32, 34 points .
It’s a 4 game audition now. If Geno plays well enough to beat the 9ers sign him post game to a 3 year deal . That’s our mountain to climb in the division .
He gets blown out ? I would not mind seeing a bit of Drew if we have no realistic opportunity to make the postseason . At least a few drives . If he shows well maybe he’s in our future plans . I think we know who Geno is in 2022 which is damn solid .

Except for feeling good about the Niners game and your patented if's and but's excuses, I agree with you.

At this point, unless he does a complete face plant in our last 4 games and assuming that there's no QB in the draft that we're drooling over, I think that Geno has earned at least a decent contract offer for next season even if we lose to the Niners and miss the playoffs. I wouldn't mind giving Lock at least a few series in our remaining games, maybe even start him in our last game if we're out of the hunt. But unless there's a drastic change, the window on Drew Lock has pretty much closed.

[RiverDog]

There was an uncalled pi on a free play earlier that was a 30 yard swing as we got 5 yards only . Weird crew . Incompetent . As the day went on I counted numerous non calls vs BOTH teams , obvious critical misses or just decisions not to throw it . Thr crew chief Carl Cheffers was the chief clown on that non call in the 2019 NFC title game . Maybe they really are legally blind . NFL officiating is a joke . Don’t misunderstand they didn’t determine the outcome as knowing a team is gonna run and getting pancaked is why we lost but the way they called the game deprived us at critical moments . Cheffers should have been fired in 2019. Worst officials in pro sports .

I'll say one thing about you: You're consistent.

[Hawktawk]

There was an uncalled pi on a free play earlier that was a 30 yard swing as we got 5 yards only . Weird crew . Incompetent . As the day went on I counted numerous non calls vs BOTH teams , obvious critical misses or just decisions not to throw it . Thr crew chief Carl Cheffers was the chief clown on that non call in the 2019 NFC title game . Maybe they really are legally blind . NFL officiating is a joke . Don’t misunderstand they didn’t determine the outcome as knowing a team is gonna run and getting pancaked is why we lost but the way they called the game deprived us at critical moments . Cheffers should have been fired in 2019. Worst officials in pro sports .

I'll say one thing about you: You're consistent.[/quote]
I said quite clearly I didn’t blame it for the loss . But it was undeniable .
you are the strangest fan im aware of . If you don’t care have at it but save your attacks on my position regarding nfl official officials which is far more mainstream then yours .
Stop trolling me. These lousy zebras are fair game . Hate your team all you want .

[NorthHawk]

This team has a "last 4 years" feel about it.
Not good enough to win in the playoffs if we make it and good enough to win enough games to take us out of a good draft position.
The Defense is a big concern. I think this is the 5th year that we've been talking about how we have to fix the Defense and Pete has talked about it, too.
They haven't been able to assemble the pieces needed to fix the problem. A big part of that is not drafting good players, but Cap management has been bad, too which left us unable to attract or sign better players in FA.
Pete and the Defensive Staff have to figure out what Defense we are going to play and what players are required to do so. The continuing issue about gap control is either bad coaching or players not able to play in the
schemes the DC wants to run. The run stopping problems are continuous so it suggests the players aren't the right fit. In previous the run stopping was better but not great and no pass rush, but this year with the changes
the run stopping is tragic but the pass rush is a little better. It's been a mess any way you look at it.