Rams Game

[RiverDog]

One unlucky turnover and another mystifying replay review clearly showing our guy is on the ground with posession but oh well .. Give it to the HOF guy . It worked out .

The call could have gone either way. I could not tell if he had control of the ball and was down by contact or not, and apparently neither could the replay review, otherwise they would have either overturned it or said the call on the field was confirmed instead of the call on the field stands.

I'd have to look at the replay, but seeing it in real time, it appeared to me that ball should have never been thrown, that Geno floated it so slowly that it gave Wags time to close in on it. Sometimes Geno gets a little loosie goosie with the ball rather than taking a sack.

[Hawktawk]

Oh for Christ sake river . Of the 6 picks Geno has been charged with thats ridiculous . He got picked by the refs . The ball hits the guys hands before wags gets there . He was basement scraps out there because we were out of backs . Homer would have squeezed it .Wags who someone suggested might be a factor with a sack or int dislodged the ball and both went down with neither possessing it at which point our guy gets 2 hands on it laying on his back . Catch

Play over except Wags rips it out on a dead play . It goes to NY for a short review determining there wasn’t clear evidence to change it . Rewind a week and the same mother ship takes away a first down after 4 minutes . Follow along . My paranoia is proven correct on a routine basis although our win streak coincided with the cleanest officiating I remember. Why the descrepancy ?

NFL officiating is the worst most biased inconsistent unaccountable in pro sports and it’s getting worse .

[RiverDog]

Oh for Christ sake river . Of the 6 picks Geno has been charged with thats ridiculous . He got picked by the refs . The ball hits the guys hands before wags gets there . He was basement scraps out there because we were out of backs . Homer would have squeezed it .Wags who someone suggested might be a factor with a sack or int dislodged the ball and both went down with neither possessing it at which point our guy gets 2 hands on it laying on his back . Catch

Play over except Wags rips it out on a dead play . It goes to NY for a short review determining there wasn’t clear evidence to change it . Rewind a week and the same mother ship takes away a first down after 4 minutes . Follow along . My paranoia is proven correct on a routine basis although our win streak coincided with the cleanest officiating I remember. Why the descrepancy ?

NFL officiating is the worst most biased inconsistent unaccountable in pro sports and it’s getting worse .

The TV analysts couldn't say for sure, either, including Fox's rules analyst Mike Pereira. Are they biased, too? Afraid to criticize the refs?

It was a bad break for sure, but the way Geno threw that ball, the play wasn't going anywhere and would have resulted in a loss of yardage. It should have never been thrown.

[NorthHawk]

A judgement call. Someone is going to be butt hurt.

I heard a comment that Geno leads the league in dropped interceptions. God only knows how many games were changed by that bit of luck.

[RiverDog]

A judgement call. Someone is going to be butt hurt.

I heard a comment that Geno leads the league in dropped interceptions. God only knows how many games were changed by that bit of luck.

I went back and looked at the play. Geno was under pressure, backing up and didn't put anything on it. Wagner was sitting on the receiver/rb and was all over it. The ball should have never been thrown. The TV guys claim that they could see the ball moving, but I couldn't tell. Pereira said he didn't have possession, that he didn't complete the process of a catch. It was a close call, probably would have stood had the ref on the field ruled it a catch and down by contact, but it wasn't what I'd consider a bad call.

[Hawktawk]

Geno turns in what is widely considered his biggest game as a hawk and we want to bust his balls for a bang bang play to a really terrible guy who was playing because everyone else was hurt .

And it’s only possessed by our guy on his back . Wags got a dead ball called a pick . Pete said this morning he’s stil arguing with the league about it and if Bobby was one on one he’d admit it wasn’t .


Joke play but every concern I had was realized .

Wags played possessed , hair on fire 2 sacks and wtf but he made the play .
We got hammered at the running back position like we always do this time of year . Why lots of us were upset Homer was out .

Rams team played extremely hard , wofford was game , made some big throws . McVeigh pulled every trick out of his bag . Jet sweeps , misdirection , trick plays . They didn’t mail it in .
And for the third game in a row we wound up screwed by a big call or flag pickup .


So I’ll take the win and he absolutely thrilled . Not counting “ dropped interceptions “ I’m looking at # 2 qbr , #1 completion 22 TDs, 3100 yards , #4 scoring offense , #1 PFF on throws traveling 20 yards in the air . Genos agressive , decisive . And still completing 73 %. Both DK and Lockett over 100 yards . I recall the downers saying how bad their numbers would fall off with garbage Geno while Jesus left to Denver .

I don’t get the negativity . Genos as good as anyone .

[RiverDog]

Geno turns in what is widely considered his biggest game as a hawk and we want to bust his balls for a bang bang play to a really terrible guy who was playing because everyone else was hurt .

Who's busting his balls? IMO Geno turned in a solid performance, eliminated one criticism by leading the team on a game winning scoring drive. All I did was respond to one bad play that you brought up. If I were to grade Geno's performance, I'd give him a B or B+.

And it’s only possessed by our guy on his back . Wags got a dead ball called a pick . Pete said this morning he’s stil arguing with the league about it and if Bobby was one on one he’d admit it wasn’t .

It wasn't a bad call. It was an unlucky call.

The refs are instructed that when in doubt, call it a turnover so it gets reviewed automatically and they'll be able to straighten it out on review w/o a team having to burn a challenge or timeout. It's quite possible that's what was going through the ref's mind as he wasn't in the best position to see the play.

I don’t get the negativity . Genos as good as anyone .

It's only in your eyes that others are being negative. No one has criticized Geno's overall play. But he is as good as anyone? Is he as good as Mahomes? Josh Allen? There's no doubt that Geno is playing at a Pro Bowl level, but let's not get too carried away.

[Aseahawkfan]

I want to see how the market views Geno after this year if he hits the market. Do they view him as Pete Carroll creation or a legitimate starting QB deserving a big contract? That will be interesting. Competition for his services will tell us more.

We know even after Penny's six great games, there was very little competition for his services because no one buys into a player after six games in year five. Same as Penny won't get a contract after this year for the same reason. No one pays much for talent that can't stay on the field.

But Geno is a turnaround player. He has a terrible career prior to the three and a half game run last year and this year. So what do you get paid for one year and 3 and a half games? Do you make people believers in your 30s? We've seen some guys turn it around before late, but is he the next Kurt Warner or Jim Plunkett or Rich Gannon or is he more of a one year wonder? How do you pay that?

It's going to be interesting to see. Hopefully Geno gives us a hometown discount for Pete believing in him and his general chemistry with Seattle players. I'd take Geno for a few years playing like he is now, especially if we can get the D-line built stronger.

[Hawktawk]

I want to see how the market views Geno after this year if he hits the market. Do they view him as Pete Carroll creation or a legitimate starting QB deserving a big contract? That will be interesting. Competition for his services will tell us more.

We know even after Penny's six great games, there was very little competition for his services because no one buys into a player after six games in year five. Same as Penny won't get a contract after this year for the same reason. No one pays much for talent that can't stay on the field.

But Geno is a turnaround player. He has a terrible career prior to the three and a half game run last year and this year. So what do you get paid for one year and 3 and a half games? Do you make people believers in your 30s? We've seen some guys turn it around before late, but is he the next Kurt Warner or Jim Plunkett or Rich Gannon or is he more of a one year wonder? How do you pay that?

It's going to be interesting to see. Hopefully Geno gives us a hometown discount for Pete believing in him and his general chemistry with Seattle players. I'd take Geno for a few years playing like he is now, especially if we can get the D-line built stronger.

Spotrac has Genos current value at 32 mil annual on a 2 or 3 year deal. not chicken feed but a bargain. As you say there were 3.25 games last year so 15 games. 27 TD passes. 7 picks( if you count yesterday). 4K yards passing. QBR over 100. Completion % over 70%.He had a 3 game stretch completing 80% which set an NFL record and 2 of the teams were Denver and SF who beat the holy hell out of him. 2 rushing TDs. Hes certainly been Seattle's MVP, playing as well as anyone in the league. We have the #4 scoring offense despite being shut out week 2
I'm all over it. Sign him up! We could have a poll.
Obviously a lot can change in 5 weeks and whatever might come after that if we get in the tournament. If there's a collapse and hes part of it all bets are off. But I love watching Geno play, stand in and get laid out and deal it, feel the rush and see the field. Go through the progressions, climb the pocket. His movement on the GWTD was exquisite. Its refreshing to watch, fun.
You can win it all with him if you have the parts around him but as Schneider said of his prized rookie 10 years ago "he moves the scales, makes a difference". Hes playing as well as any seattle QB ever has except 1 and hes not far off.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah. If we could Geno for 25 million a year for three years, I'd be pretty happy with that playing like he is right now. Then we can focus on a good free agent acquisition along the lines, strengthen the front seven, maybe draft a good strong safety and a guard or center, really make a strong run next year.

Geno gets a contract to set him up for the rest of his life. And we have a nice high quality QB for 3 years to make another run in the twilight of Pete's career.

[NorthHawk]

The guaranteed amount will be a big factor.

[mykc14]

The guaranteed amount will be a big factor.

No question, especially considering if we franchised him he would be about 33 million guaranteed just next year so it would seem like you would have to go over that. I'm hoping for 3 years at 33.3 per and only 45 guaranteed. That would give us some wiggle room to lower the cap hit a bit next year and still give us an opportunity to draft a top level QB this year, if we decide to. If that QB pans out we can trade or release Geno after two years and not have a huge cap hit.

[NorthHawk]

If we draft a QB with our first pick I would go 3 years $75M with $50M guaranteed. I would expect the new QB
to start near the end of the 2nd year or beginning of the 3rd year.

[RiverDog]

If we draft a QB with our first pick I would go 3 years $75M with $50M guaranteed. I would expect the new QB to start near the end of the 2nd year or beginning of the 3rd year.

Yeah, that's the nice thing about Geno's resurgence, that it doesn't force us to draft a QB this spring. But that if we see one that we really like, he'll have some time to develop. We'll have to wait and see what the market is, but I certainly wouldn't go any longer than 3 years.