How about that 2022 Draft?

[tarlhawk]

Our last draft has been a treasure trove of valuable assets on both sides of the ball. The bevy of draft selections brought over from the trade of RW to the Broncos played a major role in making our current season enjoyable while looking forward to the 2023 season as well.

Some keys to the 2022 success:

John Schneider and Pete Carrol still in place ….while promotions in coaching from within (Clint Hurtt as Def Coordinator and Andy Dickerson as O-Line Coach) and support brought in from outside (Sean Desai as Associate Head Coach Defense and Karl Scott as Defensive Passing Game Coordinator/Defensive Backs Coach) provided the coaching savvy to utilize and shape those picks.


Excellent staffing and scouting resources to have prepared our draft once again ….unshackled from Covid scouting limitations.


The ability to “hit” numerous times was aided by a “deep” draft which helped to funnel some highly skilled players further down in the draft. (Because of Covid impact many players in College were able to remain in College an extra year.) Two of our picks (Charles Cross and Kenneth Walker III) declared a year early gaining special NFL Draft elegibility with 70 others for 2022 draft. John Schneider stated the impact of Covid on the draft made the 2021 draft difficult while he struck gold in the 2022 NFL Draft on numerous occasions "double dipping" from the deepest areas of draft strength in 2022. I found a Wash Post article that seemed to back the Covid 2022 Draft Impact. (Edited by me)

How covid made 2022 one of the deepest NFL drafts ever
The Washington Post
By Dan Fortier
April 28, 2022


In a normal year, NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah studies about 350 players in the run-up to the NFL draft. But this year, he surpassed 400 — “pretty easily,” he said — in large part because of the number of players who received an extra year of college eligibility during the coronavirus pandemic.The extra covid season gave younger players more chances to develop at school and older players who might have been mid-round prospects in 2021 a chance to boost their stock for 2022.

But analysts also see the deepest positions in this draft as edge rusher, offensive line, wide receiver, cornerback and maybe safety.

The players who benefited most from bonus senior seasons are at those positions and expected to be selected in the mid to late rounds, such as Cincinnati cornerback Coby Bryant,

There’s a chance the draft will be somewhat deeper for the foreseeable future. Mayhew suggested the new policies allowing college athletes to profit off their name, image and likeness (NIL) will enable younger players to stay in school. In previous years, some underdeveloped prospects may have declared for the draft because of financial pressure, but now the choice is no longer binary.

Onward and upward! Go Hawks!

[idhawkman]

Well I hope we do as well with the RW trade as Dallas did back in the 90s with their Walker trade to the Viqueens

[Aseahawkfan]

I want some kind of monster D-line and/or pass rusher guy. Some guy that can't be stopped and has to be double teamed down after down who makes QB's lives miserable.

[RiverDog]

Excellent staffing and scouting resources to have prepared our draft once again.

Once again? It's the first decent draft we've had in 7-8 years.

But I don't want to rain on the parade. This is turning out to be a very, very good draft.

[NorthHawk]

The draft fell in favor of us.
In most picks a real good player at a position of need was right there for us.
Lucas was thought in some circles to be a late 1st or early 2nd round pick so to get him much later was a huge win.
Why so many other teams passed on Bryant who was the DB of the year in College until we picked him at 109 is a mystery.
Woolen I can understand coming from a smaller school but he’s with the perfect system to develop and it was a good
move to take a chance on him then.

But to get 4 starters including 2 Tackles plus maybe a couple more in the future is a huge haul, no matter how it unfolded.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a team start 2 rookie Tackles fit in seamlessly from the start of the season.
Kudos to the OL coaches for getting them ready.

[tarlhawk]

Once again? It's the first decent draft we've had in 7-8 years.

Our current 53 man roster roster has 25 home grown drafted players on it (simple math....half of our roster was drafted with John Schneider) with 3 more on injured reserve and 1 on physically unable to perform roster. Our drafted players have played key roles in our continued success.

Under Pete Carrol and John Schneider we have enjoyed thirteen seasons with only 3 of those 13 seasons as losing seasons (Pete and John's first 2 yrs *2010/2011* and last year 2021) Prior to their arrival in 2010 our franchise record was 255 wins Vs 277 losses....we are currently at 380 wins with 354 losses....so they contributed 125 wins and 77 losses. 8 of those winning seasons were 10+ win seasons while we never suffered less than 7 wins in any given season under them.

We win with solid coaching and steady well developed drafted players. Onward and upward! Go Hawks

[NorthHawk]

But like River said we can't afford to go into another draft drought like we did before and expect to contend.
I hope PC/JS learned a big lesson in those 7 or 8 years and will continue like last year even if we can't expect 4 or 5 starters from each draft.
I think it boils down to whether they think they are only 1 or 2 players away from a SB run. If they believe that then we will see the same pattern once more.

[tarlhawk]

But like River said we can't afford to go into another draft drought like we did before and expect to contend.
I hope PC/JS learned a big lesson in those 7 or 8 years and will continue like last year even if we can't expect 4 or 5 starters from each draft.

Half our roster came from "those seven or eight years". We benefited from our trade of RW and our losing season. Expectations should be tempered by the reality of what produces them. 2020 was a very good draft that didn't depend on trading a "generational" player or suffering thru a losing season. The key to most drafts is the scouting resources and an active GM able to deliver good "Seahawk Type" players to good coaching/development staff. In the interest of parity and preventing "boring" dynasties the NFL has tools of its own to prevent/punish teams able to string winning seasons together....so be careful of what you wish for and appreciate what you got. Highs and lows exist in every NFL season....but if as fans we are blessed with a team that never gives up....then its a fun ride! Onward and upward! Go Hawks

[Hawktawk]

In 13 years Pete and John have produced first a series of generational talents in the 2010-12 drafts that powered the second most wins of the decade , record setting defense , 2 trips to the championship. Even these terrible drafts the Pete haters like to whine about we got guys like DK. Lockett . They did their best with later picks . They had horrible luck with injuries , a guy smashed his face on an atv. People want to talk about their bad trades and FA how about Bennett and Avril . How about this guy from the chargers Nuwosu? He’s a beast . This draft is historic and don’t we have an UDFA in Jackson starting too ? It’s insane what these guys did here in Seattle .
There is not this “ well but…….” When it comes to Pete and John . We’ve truly been spoiled . Some won’t acknowledge it .

[obiken]

The Broncos lost again today. Russ was up 7-0 missed a guy wide open, I mean Wide open down the middle and went for a fade route in the corner. He missed that and had to settle for a FG. Moral of all that, our Draft pick just got better!

[Aseahawkfan]

Russ's fall may be unprecedented barring a major injury. His lowest QBR was 54 prior to this year. This year it is 33. Russ's fall is almost supernatural.

We're going to end up with a nice top five pick because of Russell's fall into the abyss.

[RiverDog]

Russ's fall may be unprecedented barring a major injury. His lowest QBR was 54 prior to this year. This year it is 33. Russ's fall is almost supernatural.

We're going to end up with a nice top five pick because of Russell's fall into the abyss.

I don't want to be counting our chickens just yet, but given the Bronco's remaining schedule, it looks damn good for getting at least a top 10 pick, if not top 5.

We'll have to start watching teams below Denver and hoping that they win so as to rank them ahead of the Donkeys, ie Steelers, Browns, Jags, Rams, Saints, and Packers.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't want to be counting our chickens just yet, but given the Bronco's remaining schedule, it looks damn good for getting at least a top 10 pick, if not top 5.

We'll have to start watching teams below Denver and hoping that they win so as to rank them ahead of the Donkeys, ie Steelers, Browns, Jags, Rams, Saints, and Packers.

Houston is going for number one again.

What are the rest?

Cleveland 3-7
Pittsburgh 3-7
Jacksonville 3-7
Houston 1-8
Las Vegas 3-7
Denver 3-7
Chicago 3-8
Carolina 3-8
Los Angeles 3-7

Damn. I guess likely top 10 at best. Too many bad teams this year and a few more teams are on the edge of being worse.

[trents]

The Broncos lost again today. Russ was up 7-0 missed a guy wide open, I mean Wide open down the middle and went for a fade route in the corner. He missed that and had to settle for a FG. Moral of all that, our Draft pick just got better!

Not to mention Russ' backup from his Seattle days.

[RiverDog]

I don't want to be counting our chickens just yet, but given the Bronco's remaining schedule, it looks damn good for getting at least a top 10 pick, if not top 5.

We'll have to start watching teams below Denver and hoping that they win so as to rank them ahead of the Donkeys, ie Steelers, Browns, Jags, Rams, Saints, and Packers.

Houston is going for number one again.

What are the rest?

Cleveland 3-7
Pittsburgh 3-7
Jacksonville 3-7
Houston 1-8
Las Vegas 3-7
Denver 3-7
Chicago 3-8
Carolina 3-8
Los Angeles 3-7

Damn. I guess likely top 10 at best. Too many bad teams this year and a few more teams are on the edge of being worse.

Some of those teams play each other. For example, Pittsburgh's remaining schedule includes Carolina, Las Vegas, and Cleveland. The Donkeys play Carolina and the Rams. The Jags play Houston. Just like it is with playoff scenarios, it's still pretty early to be projecting draft slotting. I usually like to wait until after the Thanksgiving weekend games.

[Old but Slow]

I would not say we will have top 10 at best, but rather top ten at least. At best, would be maybe 2d, although that is highly unlikely. I would guess between 5 and 8. Still a few games to go, though, so it is all conjecture anyway.

[Hawktawk]

Don't underestimate the ability of Wilson and Hackett to suck. Hackett may be on the chopping block as early as this morning though but who would want to sign up for that dumpster fire. It would surely be some interim with less pull over Wilson and that's the problem . Hackett confided to insiders over a month ago Russell isn't running the plays as called if he doesn't feel like it. He wanted Wilson to insure the clock continued to run on the final throwaway that allowed the Raiders time to tie the game.
This isn't getting better.
Meanwhile Geno is PFF #4 ranked passer in the league #5 ranked rushing QB in the league, #4 PFF DVOA QB . NUIMBER ONE IN COMPLETION PERCENTAGE AND ALSO NUMBER ONE RATING PFF IN THROWS OVER TWENTY AIR YARDS IN THE NFL.(Thatys for all of the dink and dunk accusation guys from a few months ago Only other guy with those types of numbers across all those categories is Pat...

10 year argument over who held who back, Pete or Russ is about over.

[RiverDog]

I would not say we will have top 10 at best, but rather top ten at least. At best, would be maybe 2d, although that is highly unlikely. I would guess between 5 and 8. Still a few games to go, though, so it is all conjecture anyway.

That's my take, too. Looking at the Broncos' schedule, with games against the Ravens and Chargers and two games vs. the Chiefs, they should finish with at least 10 losses, which means a top 10 draft slotting.

We'll see how things shake out for them after the Turkey Day weekend. If they lose to the Panthers, it will all but cinch a top 10 pick, if not top 5.

[Aseahawkfan]

Don't underestimate the ability of Wilson and Hackett to suck. Hackett may be on the chopping block as early as this morning though but who would want to sign up for that dumpster fire. It would surely be some interim with less pull over Wilson and that's the problem . Hackett confided to insiders over a month ago Russell isn't running the plays as called if he doesn't feel like it. He wanted Wilson to insure the clock continued to run on the final throwaway that allowed the Raiders time to tie the game.
This isn't getting better.
Meanwhile Geno is PFF #4 ranked passer in the league #5 ranked rushing QB in the league, #4 PFF DVOA QB . NUIMBER ONE IN COMPLETION PERCENTAGE AND ALSO NUMBER ONE RATING PFF IN THROWS OVER TWENTY AIR YARDS IN THE NFL.(Thatys for all of the dink and dunk accusation guys from a few months ago Only other guy with those types of numbers across all those categories is Pat...

10 year argument over who held who back, Pete or Russ is about over.

It's not even close to over. It will go on for years. This whole thing could flip in a year. The Seattle fan base is living proof of how fast an entire group of fans can turn on a player or coach or anyone. Geno goes back to bad play and Russ returns to form, they entire argument will shift overnight. Pete fails in the playoffs and you'll see the cries to get rid of him return. Everything can change in a flash. So you claiming something is over is laughable. There's only one thing that ends anything and that is a Super Bowl.

Seattle fan base has tasted the trophy. Once your fan base has the trophy, anything else becomes a failure. Pete has been getting to the playoffs and failing in them since 2014. If that continues with Geno, be assured the Seattle fan base will turn on Pete and Geno just like they turned on Russ.

You want it to be over because you love shouting about being right and this and that. It ain't over, not in the least. Not until Russ or Pete win a Super Bowl or retire. Only thing that will be over is us getting some nice draft picks from Denver. Whether or not Pete and John turn those into trophies is not over. Or whether Russ gets turned around with a new coach which is going to happen at the end of this year. Hackett is done in Denver. He's dead man walking. Denver to salvage this will likely spend big to bring in a coaching name. They can't afford another no name coach like Hackett coming in and failing.

You're a very impatient person. This whole thing can flip and quick. Both Pete and John and Russ have years to make this argument. Year 1 goes to Pete and John with some nice draft picks. But Russ is signed to four more years and Pete and John hopefully will stick around for a couple. This is what you call an ongoing argument.

[I-5]

It's not even close to over. It will go on for years. This whole thing could flip in a year. The Seattle fan base is living proof of how fast an entire group of fans can turn on a player or coach or anyone. Geno goes back to bad play and Russ returns to form, they entire argument will shift overnight. Pete fails in the playoffs and you'll see the cries to get rid of him return. Everything can change in a flash. So you claiming something is over is laughable. There's only one thing that ends anything and that is a Super Bowl.

Seattle fan base has tasted the trophy. Once your fan base has the trophy, anything else becomes a failure. Pete has been getting to the playoffs and failing in them since 2014. If that continues with Geno, be assured the Seattle fan base will turn on Pete and Geno just like they turned on Russ.

You want it to be over because you love shouting about being right and this and that. It ain't over, not in the least. Not until Russ or Pete win a Super Bowl or retire. Only thing that will be over is us getting some nice draft picks from Denver. Whether or not Pete and John turn those into trophies is not over. Or whether Russ gets turned around with a new coach which is going to happen at the end of this year. Hackett is done in Denver. He's dead man walking. Denver to salvage this will likely spend big to bring in a coaching name. They can't afford another no name coach like Hackett coming in and failing.

You're a very impatient person. This whole thing can flip and quick. Both Pete and John and Russ have years to make this argument. Year 1 goes to Pete and John with some nice draft picks. But Russ is signed to four more years and Pete and John hopefully will stick around for a couple. This is what you call an ongoing argument.

One, it's over. Seattle won the trade, just based on what we have now in multiple players that you need to build a team that all came from the trade. Even if Wilson did well, the worst would be a tie, but he is spectacularly average to below average now, and his regression is not hugely surprising to me based on how frustrating it was to watch him last year. He was playing the same kind of desperation football for us the past couple years, just with better results. Yesterday was by far Russ' best game of the year, and they still couldn't score enough points. He made some good throws and also made some awful throws to no one.

As for Seattle fans' ire towards Russ, I don't see it flipping because just like A-Rod, it was the way he talked and behaved on his way out as much as anything, and that's not going to change no matter if he turns it around at Denver (he wont'). Geno isn't going to suddenly not be able to play well, since the things he's doing are things he's been honing for years in practice and in the gym. He's not playing out of his mind.

[RiverDog]

One, it's over. Seattle won the trade, just based on what we have now in multiple players that you need to build a team that all came from the trade. Even if Wilson did well, the worst would be a tie, but he is spectacularly average to below average now, and his regression is not hugely surprising to me based on how frustrating it was to watch him last year. He was playing the same kind of desperation football for us the past couple years, just with better results. Yesterday was by far Russ' best game of the year, and they still couldn't score enough points. He made some good throws and also made some awful throws to no one.

As for Seattle fans' ire towards Russ, I don't see it flipping because just like A-Rod, it was the way he talked and behaved on his way out as much as anything, and that's not going to change no matter if he turns it around at Denver (he wont'). Geno isn't going to suddenly not be able to play well, since the things he's doing are things he's been honing for years in practice and in the gym. He's not playing out of his mind.

I disagree with the first paragraph, agree with the second.

There is no way we can appraise this trade halfway through the first season. Someone pointed out in another thread that if the Broncos could have scored just 18 points in every game, they'd be 9-1. They have lost just one game by more than one score. Depending on your POV, they aren't that far away. If they come back next season, Russell has a good year and they go deep into the playoffs...

But I do agree with you that the damage has been done with regard to the Seattle fans. The other forum I frequent contains a very high percentage of fans that literally hate his guts and would make Hawktawk look like a choir boy. A-Rod is a great example: Russell left after he lied to his fans about his intentions, and I don't think they'll easily forget that, at least not for a very long time, perhaps when the day comes that he's inducted into our ROH.

[I-5]

I disagree with the first paragraph, agree with the second.

There is no way we can appraise this trade halfway through the first season. Someone pointed out in another thread that if the Broncos could have scored just 18 points in every game, they'd be 9-1. They have lost just one game by more than one score. Depending on your POV, they aren't that far away. If they come back next season, Russell has a good year and they go deep into the playoffs...

Yes, it's too early to know for some, but I'm appraising it now based on what we gained as much as what we lost. We do know what we gained, and it's a TON. What did we lose? We lost one guy and one draft pick, and it's not like the guy we lost is on the level of Brady, Rodgers, or even Mahomes. It begs the question, whenever an NFL blockbuster trade has happened, did the team that received the superstar player ever get more value? Herschel Walker? Dickerson? Khalil Mack? The Russ trade is one of the biggest, and I think will go down as just as monumental and impactful as the Walker trade.

[Hawktawk]

Unless Russ makes a miracle turnaround or Geno takes a dump along with the team it’s over . Not talking about a super bowl win 9 years ago. We’re talking about a guy making noise about needing help to win , needing input in the offense . “ love it here but I want to win too . 3 or 4 more!!!” Going to a winning city !!!!

Meanwhile I think I may have been the only guy calling Geno a starter after 1 quarter vs the Rams . Never thought it would be here . I felt like the guy could do enough if everyone did their part but he’s been a true field general , led explosive drive after explosive drive . He’s playing at an elite level . Has for most of 13 starts now .

Our offense is better than in quite a while . Russ is worse than ever . Not close . We’re paying 3.5 million . They are paying 250 million . There are 7 to play but dandy don is warming up his vocal cords . Let’s see what happens . I think it’s Pete in a landslide over Russ and it matters to both guys .

[RiverDog]

Meanwhile I think I may have been the only guy calling Geno a starter after 1 quarter vs the Rams .

Do you honestly think that there is anybody in this forum that is unaware that you called Geno a starter after 1 quarter vs. the Rams? You mention it every time you get a chance.

[TriCitySam]

Anyone who thinks Seattle has been a poor drafting team needs to take a hard look at actual results: Seattle vs other teams drafting in the bottom 1/3. Seattle stacks up well with any of them. When taken as a whole vs low drafting teams, the facts do not support the claim of poor drafting. Period.

[Aseahawkfan]

Roster management is a combination of drafting, free agency, trades, and development.

When you take into account trades like the two first round picks for Jamal Adams, the full on miss with Malik McDowell and that DE we drafted whose name I can't even remember he sucks so bad, completely terrible CB drafting for quite a few years where we had secondary holes for years, and the lack of a pro bowl O-lineman for quite a few years, you can see key misses in roster management. The best players we drafted in recent years have been Lockett and DK. This year they look to have hit a grand slam nearly across the board, but it does take years of proven work to be sure of that.

Saying that we drafted equally well to bottom third teams doesn't really say much in terms of whether the roster management was good or not. It's a rare few teams that consistently manage a roster well whether drafting in the top 10 or bottom third. I would say only guys like Bill B and Pittsburgh manage their rosters well regardless of draft success. Hell, Houston has been drafting in the top 10 for years and has nothing to show for it. They're terrible.

Pete and John have made some really rotten trades and useless free agent signings in recent years. People are reenergized this year because this draft seems to be a home run on several levels. But the reality is nothing less than a Super Bowl will satisfy Seattle fans for very long. We had years of making the playoffs with Russ and fans became dissatisfied with that as it's been eight years since we competed for a Super Bowl. This one year turnaround needs to be a real turnaround with real contention or people will not be happy at all. The complaining will start again.

We still need a stud pass rusher to put these D over the top. A few stud D-line guys will be the Legion of Boom Defense reborn.

[Hawktawk]

Meanwhile I think I may have been the only guy calling Geno a starter after 1 quarter vs the Rams .

Do you honestly think that there is anybody in this forum that is unaware that you called Geno a starter after 1 quarter vs. the Rams? You mention it every time you get a chance.[/quote]
Oh no I don’t but this thread fit . I’m being berated by a guy who has yet to say “ Geno is a starter caliber qb”. A very obviously missing signatory along with lots of others to aseas man up conciliation. He was harder on me than anyone . But facts are facts. You seem quite sensitive about being as wrong as humanly possible about this whole thing . Of all the points I made in the post you latched on to this . Some people are never wrong . At least on the Internet .

[RiverDog]

Oh no I don’t but this thread fit . I’m being berated by a guy who has yet to say “ Geno is a starter caliber qb”. A very obviously missing signatory along with lots of others to aseas man up conciliation. He was harder on me than anyone . But facts are facts. You seem quite sensitive about being as wrong as humanly possible about this whole thing . Of all the points I made in the post you latched on to this . Some people are never wrong . At least on the Internet .

It wasn't really hard to latch onto it, you mention it at every opportunity. There are very few posts of yours that doesn't have some reference to Geno.

Look, I've given you plenty of kudos for your insights into Geno and will do so again if the previous ones aren't enough to float your boat. But after a while, it gets old listening to you blow your own horn about your superior football IQ and I sometimes get the impression that you're trying to rub the noses of anyone that dared doubt you about it.

[Aseahawkfan]

I am not with Geno unless he shows he can be a playoff QB because some guy that can put regular season stats while losing in the playoffs might as well be Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan with lots of great regular seasons stats and bupkis in the playoffs.

The main criticism of Russell and Pete since we lost the SB in 2014 was no progress in the playoffs. If Geno is just more of that, he won't have people singing his praises for long. Neither will Pete.

[Hawktawk]

I am not with Geno unless he shows he can be a playoff QB because some guy that can put regular season stats while losing in the playoffs might as well be Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan with lots of great regular seasons stats and bupkis in the playoffs.

The main criticism of Russell and Pete since we lost the SB in 2014 was no progress in the playoffs. If Geno is just more of that, he won't have people singing his praises for long. Neither will Pete.

Of course he won’t be nor Pete . If Pete doesn’t win he’s gone . I’ve said that along with the Geno stuff . And my point is I was wrong about Geno too . I thought he would be competent . I think Pete knew what he had along with Waldron or he’d have dropped him like a hot potato . Especially after his DUI, the only blemish on his Seattle resume . But I’m with you . If we wind up a 7-10 8-9 collapse no feel good story . No Geno and maybe no Pete . Nobody including me on the bandwagon . But if we win how much is enough for a successful year , for a contract for Geno ? To draft defense beastly linemen instead of the next Zach Wilson or Baker Mayfield ?
Geno gets this . The dude is a lot more articulate and intelligent then I realized . Kj called him “ intellectual “ prior to him being named starter . I didn’t see it then . I do now . Everyone in sports is debating whether it’s sustainable . Many experts say it’s who he is now . But they all had him as the worst starter in the league and Seattle as the 29 preseason power ranked team . So what does Asea gotta have in 22 to say sign Geno for 2 years 33 million per with a third year option ? What if our defense plays like they did on jello at 6:30 AM the rest of the way , Geno plays well and we go 10-7 lose the WC??
And once more Pete has not stopped blowing Drew Locks horn all season , talking about his “ swag moments “ vs the 1s. Saying he’s “ nipping at Genos heels”.
Not sure his entire motivation. But he’s had 4 quarterbacks . 1 he inherited . TJack was a so so bridge guy . Wilson nuff said and chose him over a polished veteran free agent and stuck by him . Now he took abuse on this forum and everywhere else until the games started then the guffaws started quieting down . Now it’s crickets . So don’t sleep on Drew Lock either . When you look at a teams roster and get hung up on the draft you might miss the overall excellence in acquiring and coaching athletes.

[RiverDog]

I am not with Geno unless he shows he can be a playoff QB because some guy that can put regular season stats while losing in the playoffs might as well be Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan with lots of great regular seasons stats and bupkis in the playoffs.

The main criticism of Russell and Pete since we lost the SB in 2014 was no progress in the playoffs. If Geno is just more of that, he won't have people singing his praises for long. Neither will Pete.

Truth.

No longer is simply making the playoffs a standard of acceptable performance. Especially nowadays where 14 of the 32 teams qualify, that's a low bar to clear. All it does is to reward mediocrity.

[Hawktawk]

I am not with Geno unless he shows he can be a playoff QB because some guy that can put regular season stats while losing in the playoffs might as well be Andy Dalton or Matt Ryan with lots of great regular seasons stats and bupkis in the playoffs.

The main criticism of Russell and Pete since we lost the SB in 2014 was no progress in the playoffs. If Geno is just more of that, he won't have people singing his praises for long. Neither will Pete.

Truth.

No longer is simply making the playoffs a standard of acceptable performance. Especially nowadays where 14 of the 32 teams qualify, that's a low bar to clear. All it does is to reward mediocrity.[/quote]

Shocking you would have this take.

5.5 wins over under. I got reminded constantly. We had predictions of 3 wins on the forum. 2 wins I think. The entire punditry had Drew Lock winning the competition or having replaced Geno by now, so did the league which is why they printed all Drew Lock Murals for our wonderful cultural Germany trip. And didn't completely correct the mistake . Which was the least of the problems.

So Ill pose it to you River. What's a successful TWENTY TWO? My number 10-7? Or do we need our second Lombardi for Geno to be legit, Pete, John?
You still wanna clean house?

Where's river in 2022!!!!! beyond some generic statement about losing in the playoffs breeds mediocrity?
We did that last year actually went 7-10 and lost to 3 backups including the guy that got destroyed last night . That was worse than mediocre. That was bad.
Isn't mediocre flipping half the roster and dragging a guy out of the dumpster to replace an icon a major improvement? Perhaps sticking our nose into the postseason?. You people are moving the goalposts so far on what's a good year for Geno and Seattle they are in another stadium by now. Its 7 weeks but if this team gets to the postseason come on man. eat the crow.

[idhawkman]

Unfortunately, our entire society is more interested in rewarding effort and not results so don't be too surprised at the rewards even if a collapse happens.

Personally, I see us winning 12 games this year and maybe even 13.

Truth.

No longer is simply making the playoffs a standard of acceptable performance. Especially nowadays where 14 of the 32 teams qualify, that's a low bar to clear. All it does is to reward mediocrity.

[tarlhawk]

Victors or spoilers it doesn't matter....as a team led by Geno we have already reshaped the narrative of many outside pundits. A motivated team is a dangerous team whoever takes the field as our opponent. We all have teams we cheer about when we discover the schedule each year....but seeing Seattle listed no longer provides whatever mirth it might have given before the current season began.

This is not an effort to credit mediocrity....its taking the bull by the horn and accepting the consequences. True effort is the key to squeezing excellent results from a season written off by many. Are you inspired by what is "expected"?....or achieving the "unexpected"? Onward and upward! Go Hawks

[RiverDog]

Truth.

No longer is simply making the playoffs a standard of acceptable performance. Especially nowadays where 14 of the 32 teams qualify, that's a low bar to clear. All it does is to reward mediocrity.

[/quote]

Unfortunately, our entire society is more interested in rewarding effort and not results so don't be too surprised at the rewards even if a collapse happens.

Personally, I see us winning 12 games this year and maybe even 13.

Do you realize what you're saying? We'd have to run the table to get to 13 wins, and that would include beating both the Chiefs and the Niners, two of the hottest teams in the league. You're a bigger optimist than Hawktawk.

[idhawkman]

Yeah I know but remember, I never predict a loss. I also firmly believe that we can do this as I "think" we will be much healthier than the niners when we meet.

On a side note. I think we must maximize our surprise team this year because other teams will game plan and break down Geno and our defense in the off season. I don't think many teams looked at us too hard when they prepared for us this season.

Do you realize what you're saying? We'd have to run the table to get to 13 wins, and that would include beating both the Chiefs and the Niners, two of the hottest teams in the league. You're a bigger optimist than Hawktawk.

[NorthHawk]

Anyone who thinks Seattle has been a poor drafting team needs to take a hard look at actual results: Seattle vs other teams drafting in the bottom 1/3. Seattle stacks up well with any of them. When taken as a whole vs low drafting teams, the facts do not support the claim of poor drafting. Period.

Here are our selections from 2013 to 2018
2013
Christine Michael
Jordan Hill
Chris Harper
Jesse Williams
Tharold Simon
Luke Willson
Spencer Ware
Ryan Seymour
Ty Powell
Jared Smith
Michael Bowie

Luke Willson was the only player to last past the first contract and be a starter.

2014
Paul Richardson
Justin Britt
Cassius Marsh
Kevin Norwood
Kevin Pierre-Louis
Jimmy Staten
Garrett Scott
Eric Pinkins
Kiero Small

Justin Britt was the only player to get past his first contract and consistently play even though he was shuffled around the OL.

2015
Frank Clark
Tyler Lockett
Terry Poole
Mark Glowinski
Tye Smith
Obum wacham
Kristian Sokoli
Ryan Murphy

Frank Clark traded - have not yet replaced his pass rush. Tyler Lockett only player to get a contract extension that year.

2016
Germain Ifedi
Jarran Reed
CJ Prosise
Nick Vannett
Rees Odhiambo
Quinton Jefferson
Alex Collins
Joey Hunt
Kenny Lawler
Zac Brooks

Jarran Reed cut without being traded. Some players still kicking around the league and a couple returned to us.

2017
Malik McDowell
Ethan Pocic
Shaquill Griffin
Lano Hill
Nazair Jones
Amara Darboh
Tedric Thompson
Michael Tyson
Justin Senior
David Moore
Chris Carson

Chris Carson extended, Ethan Pocic played a 5th year after shuffling around the OL then released.

2018
Rashaad Penny
Rasheem Green
Will Dissly
Shaquem Griffin
Tre Flowers
Michael Dickson
Jamarco Jones
Jacob Martin
Alex McGough

Penny got a 1 year deal. Dissly signed an extension. Dickson will probably get an extension offer.



58 players drafted

That's 6 players out of 58 that were drafted that played more than the original first contract.
Of those only 3 got 2nd contracts outside of an extra year at a time.

You can't say it's been a good patch of selecting players and it set us up for a big loss of talent.
The players were often there at positions of need but we either traded down past them or didn't select them - it wasn't a matter of drafting in the last part of the draft as many Pro Bowl/ All Pro players are selected in the 2nd or later.

Not every draft is going to be like 2022, but we should expect to improve the talent level. We didn't during this period of time.

[tarlhawk]

Dickson will probably get an extension offer.
That's 6 players out of 58 that were drafted that played more than the original first contract.
Of those only 3 got 2nd contracts outside of an extra year at a time.

You can't say it's been a good patch of selecting players and it set us up for a big loss of talent.
The players were often there at positions of need but we either traded down past them or didn't select them - it wasn't a matter of drafting in the last part of the draft as many Pro Bowl/ All Pro players are selected in the 2nd or later.

Not every draft is going to be like 2022, but we should expect to improve the talent level. We didn't during this period of time.

You simplify draft "results" to obtain what goal? You didn't dissuade TriCitySam's opinion and since the earlier comment was the despair of the 7-8 years preceding this past 2022 draft you occluded 2019/2020/2021. Having a strong team vice all-pro studded individuals offers different "takes" by GMs on how to achieve a "winning sustained team".

John Schneider seldom offers 2nd contracts except for those deemed irreplaceable or by standing out amongst their peers (RW and Wags) while representing our city as a "face" for recognition. You may discredit his business acumen ....but for results of delivering a continued/sustained winning atmosphere with results...your criticism is a bit hollow.

My opinion...not a personal attack....for your opinion is shared by many. I appreciate your efforts at not being too rah rah....but as a "lottery" attempt to strengthen teams suffering in results the NFL draft behaves more like stocks and less like chance when draft preparation is solid.

What sets our team apart in the drafting process is having the coaching/development to get the best out of what arrives in each rookie class. If you look at how the draft picks that were selected to add to the team as a whole....and not just the development of individual all-pros...then our sustained winning seasons cannot be overlooked....as a Raiders coach was famed for saying....Just win baby! My opinion of course....but its easier to criticize than it is to espouse hope. Oh BTW our punter Michael Dickson did receive a 4 year extension in 2021. Onward and upward! Go Hawks

[Hawktawk]

Yeah some make it sound like we had a bare roster for 6 years there . Someone must have won all those games . And no it wasn’t ALL Wilson either .

[tarlhawk]

Correction it was a Raiders owner (Al Davis) ....not a Raiders coach who said "Just win baby!"