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[Aseahawkfan]

I wouldn't call Geno's game 'very solid' as Mack is right in pointing out some of his mistakes, but he's not the reason we lost.

Honest question: Can anyone remember a worse running performance from a Seahawks' team in franchise history? We had 39 yards, over half of them off of quarterback scrambles. I can't remember a game where our running backs got just 14 yards rushing.

I can't recall totals that low for any team really. That is super low, unusually so for any NFL team. They must have been really committed to crushing the run and seen something in our run game that allowed them to do so.

[RiverDog]

I wouldn't call Geno's game 'very solid' as Mack is right in pointing out some of his mistakes, but he's not the reason we lost.

Honest question: Can anyone remember a worse running performance from a Seahawks' team in franchise history? We had 39 yards, over half of them off of quarterback scrambles. I can't remember a game where our running backs got just 14 yards rushing.

I can't recall totals that low for any team really. That is super low, unusually so for any NFL team. They must have been really committed to crushing the run and seen something in our run game that allowed them to do so.

I answered my own question in a chat with some friends, and I actually remember the game: November 4, 1979 vs. the Rams:

How else could we quantify the worst offensive performance in league history?

Jim Zorn was 2-of-17 for 25 yards, completing both passes to Steve Largent. Sherman Smith ran the ball seven times for 16 yards, and there were five other runs that totaled seven more yards. Had that been the end of it, the Seahawks would have gained 48 yards against the Rams, which would be good for the 16th-worst total in NFL history.

But that wasn't the end of it.

Though they didn't keep individual sack numbers at the time, Zorn was credited as going down six times (I've seen different totals for this, going as high as eight) and losing 55 yards. The Seahawks total offense that day was -7 yards, the worst performance that the league has ever seen. They gained one first down all game long and never made it past their own 42 yard line.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2013/9/17/47 ... -rams-1979

I remember Jack Patera in his weekly show after that game, trying to somehow justify such a horrid offensive performance, by saying that the Rams DEs, Jack Youngblood and Fred Dryer, were the best pair of DE's in the league.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Lack of run game was definitely a thing, but those were two plays that had to be made when presented. Which is it? If the run game was working, he wouldn’t have had to make those plays? Or, with the run game not working, the man with the ball has to come through when it counts? It wasn’t like he was behind the sticks on those plays. Y’all’ve seen it many times where a team doesn’t always get everything going like they would like. That’s when good plays are at a premium.

[RiverDog]

Lack of run game was definitely a thing, but those were two plays that had to be made when presented. Which is it? If the run game was working, he wouldn’t have had to make those plays? Or, with the run game not working, the man with the ball has to come through when it counts? It wasn’t like he was behind the sticks on those plays. Y’all’ve seen it many times where a team doesn’t always get everything going like they would like. That’s when good plays are at a premium.

Our lack of a running game was historic. That alone makes it a little more than "a thing". It was one of if not the major factor in our loss.

I agree about the two plays you are referring to, that they were critical, but those kinds of things happen all the time. Heck, take a look at the two gifts that we had, the two interceptions the Bucs threw, especially the one where they were trying to hit Brady. How many times does a team get just 17 yards rushing out of their running backs in a game where the opponent scores just 21 points?

[trents]

This is the tough part of our schedule. We are now playing teams competing for the playoffs. The Bucs let us know veteran playoff teams know how to step up. The Rams are about to test us too as they know they have to beat us to stay in the playoff hunt. So we won't be getting easy games from the Rams.

Seattle wants to go to the playoffs, they better learn to elevate.

This is it. We got spoiled the last several games during our winning streak because we were playing lower tier competition. There was improvement during that period to be sure but not to the level of being a team that will go deep into the playoffs. The game with the Bucs today was a back down to earth game and exposed some of our weaknesses, weaknesses that have been there all along.

Besides the inability to run, we could not get any consistent pressure on Brady. He reads defenses better than any QB in the league (he's seen it all for many years) and knows where the open man will be. The only way to stop that is to pressure him which we did not do.

I also felt like our coaching staff did not make good adjustments to what the Bucs were doing until it was too late.

[Hawktawk]

I thought we rushed for 36 yards vs the 9ers . It kind of reminded me of Carson vs Dallas , 14 carries for 20 yards . Walker had 17 on 10 . He was hiding behind the line waiting for non existent holes . We could not run on a team that everyone was running on . We could not stop the run on a team that was averaging 61 yards rushing . It made Brady’s job simple . The top rush d of the last month had nothing to rush after getting trampled . Outcoached . Poor situational football punting on 4 th and 4 around the 40 and predictably gave up a TD after punting it away . I did not recognize the team after the last month. No difference was more glaring than QB play . In the first half Geno was Jets Geno . To be fair Tampa was dropping people into coverage all day creating delay and confusion . In the second half Geno stabilized quite a bit but the fumble was a killer or it might have been a different game .
Geno wasn’t good enough today . He’d tell you that . I guess the team has 14 days to get healthy and diagnose the flight data recorder on the game . It didn’t help that they are a fast team on a slow sloppy Fed Ex quality surface . But whatever . Everyone had to play on in .
Next to 9er the worst game of the year . Ugly . F the International series . Less of a fan then ever .

[Hawktawk]

Why was Bryan Mone a healthy scratch ? Mite have come in handy

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Your point isn’t lost in me, and we could go around and around. When the main part of your game isn’t working, you have to make up for it elsewhere. And there were legit, makeable opportunities to do so while the game was very much in reach. Good teams have to do that. That lack stood out more to me than the noticeable lack of a run game.

[RiverDog]

Your point isn’t lost in me, and we could go around and around. When the main part of your game isn’t working, you have to make up for it elsewhere. And there were legit, makeable opportunities to do so while the game was very much in reach. Good teams have to do that. That lack stood out more to me than the noticeable lack of a run game.

I agree with that. Under the circumstances, the only way we were going to win that game was if the quarterback could have elevated his game to compensate to for the complete absence of a running game, and Geno couldn't get it done. But in Geno's defense, even the best of QB's would have been severely challenged to do what was required. His performance wasn't the root cause of the loss.

[c_hawkbob]

Honest question: Can anyone remember a worse running performance from a Seahawks' team in franchise history? We had 39 yards, over half of them off of quarterback scrambles. I can't remember a game where our running backs got just 14 yards rushing.

Yeah, November 4, 1979: 23 yards rushing. Same game: negative 30 yards passing for a grand total of -7 yards on the game. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/game/11-4- ... @-sea-6457

Note: yes, that's the lowest offensive output in NFL history.

[NorthHawk]

It looked to me like the Bucs are getting their game together and we didn’t have our best game. Bad combo for us.
Geno didn’t have his best game, but he wasn’t the only one. Our OL looked overmatched at times and our DL
gave up some runs that they hadn’t given up for the last few games.

It seems to me that in the off season we will have to address inside DL pressure. We needed it today against Brady who hates it but for the most part we couldn’t get it when needed.

The key for this year is how we answer from this disappointing showing as like said above we are going to face some more
teams that could be playoff bound - or are just as desperate as Tampa Bay was today. Can we get back to imposing our will
on our opponent or will this game provide a way to beat us? Or maybe we aren’t as good as we were beginning to believe.

[RiverDog]

Honest question: Can anyone remember a worse running performance from a Seahawks' team in franchise history? We had 39 yards, over half of them off of quarterback scrambles. I can't remember a game where our running backs got just 14 yards rushing.

Yeah, November 4, 1979: 23 yards rushing. Same game: negative 30 yards passing for a grand total of -7 yards on the game. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/game/11-4- ... @-sea-6457

Note: yes, that's the lowest offensive output in NFL history.

Do you remember that game? I sure do.

[c_hawkbob]

I absolutely do, thats why it surprised me you asked the question; I figured you have to remember it too.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Perhaps someone has said, but I have to give some credence to a basically 6:30 start time across the big pond. Don’t know if 3 hours was that much of an advantage, but the Bucs were at least playing at 9:30.

[RiverDog]

I absolutely do, thats why it surprised me you asked the question; I figured you have to remember it too.

I did, but my question was strictly about a rushing performance. I knew that the worst offensive performance was vs. the Rams in '79.

[RiverDog]

Perhaps someone has said, but I have to give some credence to a basically 6:30 start time across the big pond. Don’t know if 3 hours was that much of an advantage, but the Bucs were at least playing at 9:30.

I don't buy that, at all. We arrived on Thursday, nearly three days before the game. The Bucs arrived on Friday. Jet lag affects you the first day, but after that, it shouldn't be a problem. I've worked graveyards off and on for 40 years and having to change my sleep cycle, so I don't have too much sympathy for a time change over 48 hours earlier.

[Hawktawk]

We kicked off at 6:30 AM pacific time . That’s 9:30 AM in Tampa . That’s the difference I see . Get teams from the same time zone or make it a prime time game if you’re so god damn proud of it so the west coast team can get a good night sleep . It’s a huge disadvantage .

F the international series .
Yeah I know no excuses . I know it wasn’t remotely the team I’ve been watching . Too much German beer ? Dunno . Wasn’t the refs although they didn’t help picking up a couple flags . Not on them.
Wtf 6-4 . I’m probably the only guy who thought it possible . But if they are gonna play like that they won’t win another game .

[RiverDog]

We kicked off at 6:30 AM pacific time . That’s 9:30 AM in Tampa . That’s the difference I see . Get teams from the same time zone or make it a prime time game if you’re so god damn proud of it so the west coast team can get a good night sleep . It’s a huge disadvantage .

F the international series .
Yeah I know no excuses . I know it wasn’t remotely the team I’ve been watching . Too much German beer ? Dunno . Wasn’t the refs although they didn’t help picking up a couple flags . Not on them.
Wtf 6-4 . I’m probably the only guy who thought it possible . But if they are gonna play like that they won’t win another game .

You're damn right it's an excuse. The flimsiest imaginable.

What you are forgetting is what the Bucs gave up to play the game in Munich. It was their home game, and had they played in Tampa, they wouldn't have had to have traveled at all while we would have had to travel over 5 hours and 3 time zones. It's time you considered that. We should have been thanking our lucky stars that they moved the game to Munich.

[Hawktawk]

There’s a bit of difference between working in a warehouse or on a golf course and being a world class athlete accustomed to a routine getting out of bed at 3 AM pacific to play the most violent fast game in the world at 6:30 am. The other team gets up at 6 and plays at 9:30 .

It’s not that flimsy but not shocking you don’t see it : blame Seattle always for everything .

[trents]

It looked to me like the Bucs are getting their game together and we didn’t have our best game. Bad combo for us.

That's my analysis as well. Bucks started putting it together last week when the pulled out a win coming from behind at the very end of the game. I thought to myself then, "That looked like the Tom Brady we are used to seeing. I hope that doesn't carry over to Munich!" But it did. And we looked very unprepared for what we encountered.

[Hawktawk]

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It looked to me like the Bucs are getting their game together and we didn’t have our best game. Bad combo for us.

That's my analysis as well. Bucks started putting it together last week when the pulled out a win coming from behind at the very end of the game. I thought to myself then, "That looked like the Tom Brady we are used to seeing. I hope that doesn't carry over to Munich!" But it did. And we looked very unprepared for what we encountered.[/quote]
Yes credit Brady . He made some really nice tight throws . Bowles confused Geno more than anyone since SF. Stuffed our run . I think Tom Brady wanted this very badly and it showed . I think we were happy to be there . It showed .

[RiverDog]

It looked to me like the Bucs are getting their game together and we didn’t have our best game. Bad combo for us.

That's my analysis as well. Bucks started putting it together last week when the pulled out a win coming from behind at the very end of the game. I thought to myself then, "That looked like the Tom Brady we are used to seeing. I hope that doesn't carry over to Munich!" But it did. And we looked very unprepared for what we encountered.

We were obviously unprepared on both sides of the ball. The other thing is how the individual players match up. Sometimes, we get a favorable matchup at the right position at the right time. Today, we didn't have very many matchups we could take advantage of. My biggest concern is our running attack, or lack thereof. We aren't going anywhere unless we get that squared away, and pronto.

The defense looked bad. Our sloppy tackling, which had seemed to improve over the past few games, raised its ugly head in this game. Diggs looked like he didn't even want to tackle a running back. The Bucs came into the game with the worst rushing attack in the league, yet they rack up 161 yards on us, plus they bailed us out with an absolutely horrible play call/execution, trying to throw a pass to a 45 year old QB at a time when they had been moving the ball at will and appeared to be going in for a score, and again when Brady threw an ill-advised pass that let us back in the game. We could have easily lost that game by three scores. The game was closer on the scoreboard than it was on the field.

It sucks going into our bye on a loss, especially a bad loss like that one, as it tends to take that bounce out of your step, but on the other hand, the team has to feel good being 6-4 and leading the division. Next up are the dysfunctional Raiders at home, who've lost 3 in a row and 4 of their last 5. I'll be attending that game in person. It should be a slam dunk, but if this season has taught us anything, it's that every game is a crap shoot.

[Hawktawk]

I agree it was worse than the score. It was a beating

[NorthHawk]

The game followed the pattern of the last decade of a slow start with a limited Offense and then trying for a furious comeback.
I hope it doesn’t mean a return to Peteball and simply that we underperformed.

[obiken]

I agree it was worse than the score. It was a beating

Do you think it was because we played badly or was it the whole environment thing? I watched the beginning and end. It just seemed to me that the Bucs came out more fired up than we were.

[RiverDog]

I agree it was worse than the score. It was a beating

Do you think it was because we played badly or was it the whole environment thing? I watched the beginning and end. It just seemed to me that the Bucs came out more fired up than we were.

I watched the entire game, too, and sure, there was a carnival atmosphere during the whole game, a lot of players first trip to Europe, the first NFL game in Germany, the crowd singing John Denver and Neil Diamond songs, etc. The Bucs might have been a little more used to that kind of environment than the Hawks as they've been to the playoffs, Super Bowl, etc, but that's just an excuse. Once the whistle blows, all that stuff goes away. We got beat on both sides of the ball, particularly in the trenches. OL couldn't block, DL couldn't stop the run or pressure Brady, offense couldn't sustain drives, etc.

We got our arses kicked by the better team. It's that simple.

[Hawktawk]

I agree it was worse than the score. It was a beating

Do you think it was because we played badly or was it the whole environment thing? I watched the beginning and end. It just seemed to me that the Bucs came out more fired up than we were.[/quote]
I read a CBS sports article grading performances over the weekend . Tampa got an A-. In grading Seattle as a B-the first words are “ the Seattle players internal clock was 6:30 AM at kickoff “ they went on to point out Seattle predictably slept through the first half . I don’t agree with their grade . I give Tampa an A, Seattle a D . But I agree with that disadvantage being huge .
Another thing I noticed as a 37 year turf manager is the field was long and moist . A slow track for maybe the fastest team in the league . We had guys changing cleats all night . Walkers slashing style was negated. Yea they both had to play on it but fast team is at disadvantage on slow field or should I say it’s advantage dissapears .
But most critical we got outplayed . Those other things are partially explanations but we got beat under the conditions provided by the inturdnational series . Not a fan

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Field reminded me of that away playoff game against Carolina.

[tarlhawk]

I saw the game and viewed the results as an excellent Tampa schemed defense with Todd Bowles as its architect and a focused Tom Brady able to "read" our coverages and use his very quick release to strike the advantage of 3 very talented wide receivers. Facing Julio Jones as a healthy WR3 was a bit much with Brady on top of his game. Many times the coverage was sound but the quick accurate placement combined with the skilled WR assortment presented tipped the scales. The only "busted" coverage was pointed out by numerous pundits as the Julio Jones TD when Woolen seemed to be playing zone... "passing off" /releasing Julio while the other defensive players were playing "man" and being "baited" out of the target zone...the result was a clear path for Julio to catch and turn on his afterburners.

The field was a typical soccer field...unforgiving to those who like to plant their feet and cut back into a running lane (aka K9). The offensive scheme seemed to avoid the Tampa Middle of Hicks and Vea ...but unable to diffuse the very fast Tampa LB corps when trying to run outside. The field imposed a physical slogging match of mostly interior north-south running and Tampa was able to exploit that...too many times.

Diggs said afterward our game plan was banking on tendencies Tampa had recently been struggling with and when Tampa "switched it up" we were caught trying to adjust/catch up...a deer in the headlamps kinda feel. As for the Geno fumble on a QB draw play...I saw an excellent "film breakdown" post on a website called Top Billin with a view from behind Geno...where our center stays in place preventing Geno from getting into open space apparently unaware of moving up to attack the 2nd level/LB to allow Geno's intended escape...but effectively forcing Geno to be bottled up...only to try an ill fated run to the left side.

A tough game to absorb ...perhaps restoring us to the realization we have taken excellent advantage of our teams current composition and are still on a "hill" climbing toward its peak...perhaps tempering some of the wild rhetoric accompanying our excellent 4 game winning streak preceding this game. Go Hawks!

[RiverDog]

Nice summary, tarlhawk!

I just went back through the play-by-play drive charts. There was only one situation in the entire game, on the Bucs 2nd drive that resulted in a missed FG, where they were playing behind the sticks, ie 1st/2nd/or 3rd down and more than 10 yards to gain. No drive killing penalties, no drive killing QB sacks or tackles for loss, a fact which led to their very good 67% third down conversion rate. It was a very disciplined offensive performance.

[I-5]

I saw the game and viewed the results as an excellent Tampa schemed defense with Todd Bowles as its architect and a focused Tom Brady able to "read" our coverages and use his very quick release to strike the advantage of 3 very talented wide receivers. Facing Julio Jones as a healthy WR3 was a bit much with Brady on top of his game. Many times the coverage was sound but the quick accurate placement combined with the skilled WR assortment presented tipped the scales. The only "busted" coverage was pointed out by numerous pundits as the Julio Jones TD when Woolen seemed to be playing zone... "passing off" /releasing Julio while the other defensive players were playing "man" and being "baited" out of the target zone...the result was a clear path for Julio to catch and turn on his afterburners.

The field was a typical soccer field...unforgiving to those who like to plant their feet and cut back into a running lane (aka K9). The offensive scheme seemed to avoid the Tampa Middle of Hicks and Vea ...but unable to diffuse the very fast Tampa LB corps when trying to run outside. The field imposed a physical slogging match of mostly interior north-south running and Tampa was able to exploit that...too many times.

Diggs said afterward our game plan was banking on tendencies Tampa had recently been struggling with and when Tampa "switched it up" we were caught trying to adjust/catch up...a deer in the headlamps kinda feel. As for the Geno fumble on a QB draw play...I saw an excellent "film breakdown" post on a website called Top Billin with a view from behind Geno...where our center stays in place preventing Geno from getting into open space apparently unaware of moving up to attack the 2nd level/LB to allow Geno's intended escape...but effectively forcing Geno to be bottled up...only to try an ill fated run to the left side.

A tough game to absorb ...perhaps restoring us to the realization we have taken excellent advantage of our teams current composition and are still on a "hill" climbing toward its peak...perhaps tempering some of the wild rhetoric accompanying our excellent 4 game winning streak preceding this game. Go Hawks!

Very good analysis, tarlhawk. I think you nailed it. The obvious thing to me watching it was the inability of K9 to plant his foot and make a cut...it was like the turf totally took away his superpowers. TB did not look like a last place rushing team, and they didn't have as much problem running on the turf, but their RB's don't make lateral moves like K9 does. Brady was on top of his game, and with Julio Jones in the mix, has a good receiver corps. Having said that, if we had another quarter of time, I'm confident we would have beaten them. It was too late to start playing well by the time we did.

I might be the only one, but I think as painful as the loss is, it might be good to have a bad taste in the mouth during the bye week. The players are bonding, as well as the coaches, and I think we're poised to make a good run down the stretch, and I think we will beat SF at home and win the division.

[Hawktawk]

Field reminded me of that away playoff game against Carolina.

I remember Carolina . I called it pre game right here on the forum before the 2015 divisional . Clearly intentional sabotage of the field by the home team . Negate the faster team . It should be punishable by fines or something . There should be a minimum standard for grass fields .
We had no excuse that day though . Playoff team , veteran qb . Start off with a pick 6 to Keuchly and go from there . Down 31 zip at the half , recover some in the second half then Wilson goes to the podium to brag about the almost comeback , not a word about that pick 6.
Yesterday get up at 3AM to play at 6:30 AM on a sloppy field that negated our edge rush and run game . Tampa seemed better prepared with run plays right in the A gap , straight ahead . And lots of them. 57% of the snaps were designed runs .we give up 160 rushing , 3 sacks , a fumble in the red zone , 1-9 on third down while giving up 10-15. We rushed for 39 yards , 22 by Geno and he and Pete don’t agree on whether it was a pass or run play he fumbled on. Geno says run , Pete says pass, line looked like they expected pass . Horrible performance overall by the team . Irvin went off about the field post game . We’re lucky nobody got hurt with 1 inch cleats on out there like Chris Clemons did at Fed Ex in 2012 divisional .

Still they were one stop away from finding out if Geno can close .
I don’t feel great but in hindsight I’m not going to overreact over this . If they look like this vs Vegas I was wrong all along . I don’t think they will .

[trents]

I saw the game and viewed the results as an excellent Tampa schemed defense with Todd Bowles as its architect and a focused Tom Brady able to "read" our coverages and use his very quick release to strike the advantage of 3 very talented wide receivers. Facing Julio Jones as a healthy WR3 was a bit much with Brady on top of his game. Many times the coverage was sound but the quick accurate placement combined with the skilled WR assortment presented tipped the scales.

Obviously true. I think the Hawks came into the game with a bit of a puffed up head from their recent success and expected the Bucs to be dysfunctional like they had been up to that point. But they ran into a team that was very focused and with some weapons back while they (the Hawks) were not.

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure why footing would affect our running backs but not the opposition's. It sounds like another excuse to me, just like the time change excuse. Why can't people accept the fact that we got beat, and that at least yesterday, that Tampa Bay was the better team?

We were beaten on defense as well as on offense. We couldn't stop the run. We couldn't get pressure on Brady. We couldn't get off the field on 3rd down. Geno fumbled in a critical situation. Did the playing surface affect those outcomes, too?

[I-5]

I'm not sure why footing would affect our running backs but not the opposition's. It sounds like another excuse to me, just like the time change excuse. Why can't people accept the fact that we got beat, and that at least yesterday, that Tampa Bay was the better team?

We were beaten on defense as well as on offense. We couldn't stop the run. We couldn't get pressure on Brady. We couldn't get off the field on 3rd down. Geno fumbled in a critical situation. Did the playing surface affect those outcomes, too?

It was pretty easy to see that K9 didn't have the ability to make the cuts he's been making all year, even before the defense got to him. K9's style is a whole vocabulary of different types of cuts, including a jump cut off 2 feet. TB runners don't do any of that. We obviouslly lacked the confidence to run, seeing as we only handed it off 10 times the entire game. I think it would have been worth trying Homer or Dallas, since they are more north/south runners like TB.

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure why footing would affect our running backs but not the opposition's. It sounds like another excuse to me, just like the time change excuse. Why can't people accept the fact that we got beat, and that at least yesterday, that Tampa Bay was the better team?

We were beaten on defense as well as on offense. We couldn't stop the run. We couldn't get pressure on Brady. We couldn't get off the field on 3rd down. Geno fumbled in a critical situation. Did the playing surface affect those outcomes, too?

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t was pretty easy to see that K9 didn't have the ability to make the cuts he's been making all year, even before the defense got to him. K9's style is a whole vocabulary of different types of cuts, including a jump cut off 2 feet. TB runners don't do any of that. We obviouslly lacked the confidence to run, seeing as we only handed it off 10 times the entire game. I think it would have been worth trying Homer or Dallas, since they are more north/south runners like TB.

Walker's jump cuts are effective when he gets into the second level, and that didn't happen hardly at all as his longest run was just 5 yards. He was getting hit in the hole before he could juke defenders. I'm not buying the field surface excuse, not for a minute.

One of the problems we've had on offense this season is that we don't stretch the field, and it came back to haunt us yesterday. Geno's longest completion yesterday went for 23 yards, and that was a pass to Walker out of the backfield. We gotta start taking some deep shots even if we don't hit on them very often.

I've been wanting to seem more of DJ Dallas all season, but I don't think it would have made a great deal of difference yesterday. We were soundly beaten.

[I-5]

I don't care if you're not buying it lol. K9 makes those cuts not just in the second level - he also makes them in the backfield. If you put this game at Lumen, you're telling me K9 will have the same amount of yards? Yeah, no.

We're going to face a good defense in SF at home. Lets see if they can bottle up K9 to the same tune.

[RiverDog]

I don't care if you're not buying it lol. K9 makes those cuts not just in the second level - he also makes them in the backfield. If you put this game at Lumen, you're telling me K9 will have the same amount of yards? Yeah, no.

We're going to face a good defense in SF at home. Lets see if they can bottle up K9 to the same tune.

Well, we can argue about K9's jump cuts until the cows come home.

We have 3 more games before we get to that rematch with the Niners. How about we see how he does vs. the Raiders, Rams, and Panthers first?

[obiken]

Well, we can argue about K9's jump cuts until the cows come home.
We have 3 more games before we get to that rematch with the Niners. How about we see how he does vs. the Raiders, Rams, and Panthers first?

Geez we should win at least 2 outta 3 of those River! One point, I hope no one brought it up before, I never make excuses for losses but the Hawks had a lot farther to travel to Germany than the Bucks, could have been a factor.

[RiverDog]

Well, we can argue about K9's jump cuts until the cows come home.
We have 3 more games before we get to that rematch with the Niners. How about we see how he does vs. the Raiders, Rams, and Panthers first?

Geez we should win at least 2 outta 3 of those River! One point, I hope no one brought it up before, I never make excuses for losses but the Hawks had a lot farther to travel to Germany than the Bucks, could have been a factor.

Ahh, obi my friend, you need a little lesson in geography. Due to our northern latitude, flights from Seattle to Europe relative to a more southerly location like Florida aren't nearly as far as you might think.

The flight time from Seattle to Munich is 11 hours, 5 minutes. From Tampa to Munich is 10 hours, 29 minutes:

https://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/ ... h,+Germany

36 minutes difference on a 10 hour plus flight is peanuts. Next excuse?

On a non football related side topic, a few years ago, Delta Airlines made Seattle an international hub due to their northern latitude and location roughly halfway between London and Tokyo and started routing more US domestic flights into Seattle. So now, Delta flies from my home here in the Tri Cites to Seattle, gives Alaska some competition, and me more itinerary choices.