Our Defense After Week 5

[RiverDog]

At the risk of being thought of as a stat monkey, I thought it appropriate to take a look at our statistical performance on defense now that Week 5 is in the books.

As if you didn't know it already, our defense sucks. We are ranked dead last in the 32-team league in total yards and 2nd to last in points surrendered. We are a league worst against the run, giving up over 170 yards per game. Passing defense is only marginally better, ranked 26th at almost 260 yards per game. Same story with points defense: We are ranked ahead of only the hapless Detroit Lions, giving up nearly 31 ppg. And it's getting worse. In the past two games, we've given up an average of 479 yards and 42 points. And even worse, we are not giving up all these yards and points to MVP quality quarterbacks: Jared Goff and Andy Dalton.

Breaking things down even further, we are dead last in opponents' average yards per play, 2nd to last in points per play, 2nd to last in opponents' first downs per game.

And sadly, this isn't the first season that we've fielded a porous defense. Last season, we were ranked 28th in total defense, 22nd in 2020, and 26th in 2019. As a matter of fact, you have to all the way back to 2016 to find a defense of ours ranked in the top 10. It's a period of time that has included 3 different defensive coordinators.

Pete Carroll is supposed to be a defensive guru, the creator of the Legion of Boom and one of the most dominating defenses of the 21st century. So what gives? Is it poor drafting? Bad trades? An outdated scheme? How much longer must we wait until this defense "gets it"?

How many more DC's do we throw under the bus before we start holding Pete accountable for these horrid defenses?

[NorthHawk]

It's been a series of bad drafts and bad trades that has been the demise of our Defense.
Without the extreme talent required to run simple schemes and be successful, it's doomed to failure. And that's what we've seen up until this year when they are supposedly using more 3-4 concepts.

[Hawktawk]

It’s bad. But I’ve developed a theory or theories about why this particular one is the most rancid display of ineptitude I’ve ever witnessed , really in the entire league . #1 the new scheme . We had 1 interior linemen who can occupy enough space and be powerful enough to hold up . Al woods . The biggest drop off as a result is linebacker play . Barton and Brooks started last year a couple games and looked good in the 4-3. We held the Tards to 16 in our last game although Russ gave up 14 basically with a blown hot read and then an overthrow for a pick to the 1 for line so the defense got charged with that . We lost games in Nortons defense giving up 13(saints ) 15( commmanders) 17 (packers when hero returned to save us from Geno ) . Carrol defenses haven’t been lockdown for years . But they have been clutch in the past , were against Denver this year then the wheels came off . With a lot of the same people we are way worse . I’d argue we’re better at corner .
#2 injuries to safeties . Adams was being expected to be a backstop and game wrecker and counting on him lasting was as foolish as expecting penny to play all year but week one . Ouch . Diggs is not right yet either . Slow and weak .
_#3. Hurrt . What a swindler . I was ready to make him Pete’s successor he sold it so good . Yeah Pete’s defense blah blah blah . Yeah it’s his concept and players but Hurrt is making the calls . He’s panicking and sending people crashing upfield seemingly non stop . I get the lack of a dominant edge . But when Hill is lined up at qb? If I were the coach I’d rush zero . Stay in your lanes and gang tackle . I watched some film on the long TD run and 3 linemen had run themselves out of the play by 2 yards before Hill broke the line of scrimmage . Diggs was the only chance ….
I’d give one more game to Hurrt and if it’s another 200 yard game fire his ass . We have an offense that gives us a chance with even a mediocre defense and an opportunity to far overachieve is being squandered . If it’s like this all year fire Pete too . Some of the in game decisions are baffling anyway . Mite be time . He’s hit on enough of the plan to earn this year but imo he’s coaching for his job .

[c_hawkbob]

At the risk of being thought of as a stat monkey

LOL! I'm afraid that ship has sailed mate! (jk) You used to be the most anti stats guy on the board now live and breath stats...

But seriously, that was an awful call, just terrible.

[RiverDog]

It’s bad. But I’ve developed a theory or theories about why this particular one is the most rancid display of ineptitude I’ve ever witnessed , really in the entire league . #1 the new scheme . We had 1 interior linemen who can occupy enough space and be powerful enough to hold up . Al woods . The biggest drop off as a result is linebacker play . Barton and Brooks started last year a couple games and looked good in the 4-3. We held the Tards to 16 in our last game although Russ gave up 14 basically with a blown hot read and then an overthrow for a pick to the 1 for line so the defense got charged with that . We lost games in Nortons defense giving up 13(saints ) 15( commmanders) 17 (packers when hero returned to save us from Geno ) . Carrol defenses haven’t been lockdown for years . But they have been clutch in the past , were against Denver this year then the wheels came off . With a lot of the same people we are way worse . I’d argue we’re better at corner .
#2 injuries to safeties . Adams was being expected to be a backstop and game wrecker and counting on him lasting was as foolish as expecting penny to play all year but week one . Ouch . Diggs is not right yet either . Slow and weak .
_#3. Hurrt . What a swindler . I was ready to make him Pete’s successor he sold it so good . Yeah Pete’s defense blah blah blah . Yeah it’s his concept and players but Hurrt is making the calls . He’s panicking and sending people crashing upfield seemingly non stop . I get the lack of a dominant edge . But when Hill is lined up at qb? If I were the coach I’d rush zero . Stay in your lanes and gang tackle . I watched some film on the long TD run and 3 linemen had run themselves out of the play by 2 yards before Hill broke the line of scrimmage . Diggs was the only chance ….
I’d give one more game to Hurrt and if it’s another 200 yard game fire his ass . We have an offense that gives us a chance with even a mediocre defense and an opportunity to far overachieve is being squandered . If it’s like this all year fire Pete too . Some of the in game decisions are baffling anyway . Mite be time . He’s hit on enough of the plan to earn this year but imo he’s coaching for his job .

So it's all the DC's fault? Incredible. And I think you meant 400 yards, not 200. The best defense in the league isn't averaging 200 yards per game.

Short of some type of Urban Meyer/Jon Gruden-type scandal, that's not going to happen. To do so would throw the team into even more turmoil. For better or worse, we need to stick it out and try to make this system/personnel work. If it's this bad at the end of the season or once we're out of playoff contention, then we clean house. But not when we're 2-3 and one game out of first place in our division.

[Stream Hawk]

Great summary, River. I have been harping on Pete the last few seasons. In fact, I wanted BOTH he and Russ tossed last year. It is not an outdated scheme, it's a lack of talent combined with lack of in-game adjustments. That can't be the DC; we have gone through three in five years now.

Edit: I do want Pete to finish out the season and do expect an improvement. I like Ryan Neal at Safety; some thought he was better for our defense than Jamal anyways. Hopefully, Taylor and Brooks will harness their talents and improve the linebacking. Boya can emulate Avril. There is hope, it will just take time.

[RiverDog]

Great summary, River. I have been harping on Pete the last few seasons. In fact, I wanted BOTH he and Russ tossed last year. It is not an outdated scheme, it's a lack of talent combined with lack of in-game adjustments. That can't be the DC; we have gone through three in five years now.

Edit: I do want Pete to finish out the season and do expect an improvement. I like Ryan Neal at Safety; some thought he was better for our defense than Jamal anyways. Hopefully, Taylor and Brooks will harness their talents and improve the linebacking. Boya can emulate Avril. There is hope, it will just take time.

Thanks, SH. I, too, wanted Pete gone last year, even started a thread to fire him in Week 16 so we could get ahead of Black Monday. I was a little less anxious to get rid of Russell, but it was clear that one of them had to go, that if we kept Pete, that we had to trade Russ.

Agreed about Adams. He was a one trick pony that was a liability in pass coverage. Taylor and Brooks need to come to the party. We're getting gashed big time on the edges, and that's their domain. Barton has played horribly.

But on the other hand, it's just Week 6, and there's still a lot of football to be played. With the rest of the league looking so mediocre, there's plenty of time and reasons to believe that we can get this thing turned around.

[Hawktawk]

It’s bad. But I’ve developed a theory or theories about why this particular one is the most rancid display of ineptitude I’ve ever witnessed , really in the entire league . #1 the new scheme . We had 1 interior linemen who can occupy enough space and be powerful enough to hold up . Al woods . The biggest drop off as a result is linebacker play . Barton and Brooks started last year a couple games and looked good in the 4-3. We held the Tards to 16 in our last game although Russ gave up 14 basically with a blown hot read and then an overthrow for a pick to the 1 for line so the defense got charged with that . We lost games in Nortons defense giving up 13(saints ) 15( commmanders) 17 (packers when hero returned to save us from Geno ) . Carrol defenses haven’t been lockdown for years . But they have been clutch in the past , were against Denver this year then the wheels came off . With a lot of the same people we are way worse . I’d argue we’re better at corner .
#2 injuries to safeties . Adams was being expected to be a backstop and game wrecker and counting on him lasting was as foolish as expecting penny to play all year but week one . Ouch . Diggs is not right yet either . Slow and weak .
_#3. Hurrt . What a swindler . I was ready to make him Pete’s successor he sold it so good . Yeah Pete’s defense blah blah blah . Yeah it’s his concept and players but Hurrt is making the calls . He’s panicking and sending people crashing upfield seemingly non stop . I get the lack of a dominant edge . But when Hill is lined up at qb? If I were the coach I’d rush zero . Stay in your lanes and gang tackle . I watched some film on the long TD run and 3 linemen had run themselves out of the play by 2 yards before Hill broke the line of scrimmage . Diggs was the only chance ….
I’d give one more game to Hurrt and if it’s another 200 yard game fire his ass . We have an offense that gives us a chance with even a mediocre defense and an opportunity to far overachieve is being squandered . If it’s like this all year fire Pete too . Some of the in game decisions are baffling anyway . Mite be time . He’s hit on enough of the plan to earn this year but imo he’s coaching for his job .

So it's all the DC's fault? Incredible. And I think you meant 400 yards, not 200. The best defense in the league isn't averaging 200 yards per game.

Short of some type of Urban Meyer/Jon Gruden-type scandal, that's not going to happen. To do so would throw the team into even more turmoil. For better or worse, we need to stick it out and try to make this system/personnel work. If it's this bad at the end of the season or once we're out of playoff contention, then we clean house. But not when we're 2-3 and one game out of first place in our division.[/quote]

I meant rush yards obviously . And where did you get it’s all Hurrts fault ? You can’t fire the players . They won’t fire Pete mid season . It’s like changing QBs . Maybe it works . Maybe it doesn’t . Listening to Pete yesterday he’s a polite guy but anger at the performance was in the tone of voice .

Yeah I fire Hurrt . He’s the defensive version of Hackett . Sweating like a drug mule in customs , wide eyed and overmatched by opposing OCs . Same players . Way worse results .

[RiverDog]

I meant rush yards obviously . And where did you get it’s all Hurrts fault ? You can’t fire the players . They won’t fire Pete mid season . It’s like changing QBs . Maybe it works . Maybe it doesn’t . Listening to Pete yesterday he’s a polite guy but anger at the performance was in the tone of voice .

Yeah I fire Hurrt . He’s the defensive version of Hackett . Sweating like a drug mule in customs , wide eyed and overmatched by opposing OCs . Same players . Way worse results .

Your mistake was obviously wrong as written, but you left us guessing as to what you meant.

Unless you want to tank and get a higher draft choice, you don't fire a coordinator when the season is barely 1/4 over. I can't remember the last time that a team fired a coordinator before the season was over, and I'm willing to bet that it's never been done as early as Week 6. Besides, Pete's fired enough coordinators. If anyone is to get fired, it's Pete.

[Hawktawk]

I’ve read 2 articles today saying we miss Ken Norton . Nobody adressed Nortons good games last year that I pointed out . I forgot 17 in a loss to the Rams . You say the roster is garbage . Fine then . Kenny didn’t draft them . But he’s lapped Hurrt . Hurrt is incompetent , overpromoted . Our defensive players are frustrated . As I say this same group of guys minus Reed and Dunlap held this little midget coming to town to 16 and hit him hard . In the roaster . If he comes to our town and smokes us I’ll be ready for the explanation of almost the same rosters on both teams and way different results . Kinda like our D giving up 13 in a loss to the saints last year and we got 10 with Geno . This year we get 32, should have easily been 40+ and give up 39. You have no leg to stand on .

[RiverDog]

I’ve read 2 articles today saying we miss Ken Norton . Nobody adressed Nortons good games last year that I pointed out . I forgot 17 in a loss to the Rams . You say the roster is garbage . Fine then . Kenny didn’t draft them . But he’s lapped Hurrt . Hurrt is incompetent , overpromoted . Our defensive players are frustrated . As I say this same group of guys minus Reed and Dunlap held this little midget coming to town to 16 and hit him hard . In the roaster . If he comes to our town and smokes us I’ll be ready for the explanation of almost the same rosters on both teams and way different results . Kinda like our D giving up 13 in a loss to the saints last year and we got 10 with Geno . This year we get 32, should have easily been 40+ and give up 39. You have no leg to stand on .

No one is defending Hurtt. What I'm saying is (1) now isn't the time to fire him and (2) if we do fire Hurtt, we need to throw Pete out the door with him.

Let's re-visit the issue in December.

[Aseahawkfan]

I've been saying it's the talent for years and will continue to say it is the talent. We don't have the D-line talent to be a good defense. The defensive line affects both the run and pass defense. You cannot dictate defensively without a strong defensive line that first stops the run, then pressures the passer. Until they rebuild the defensive line so that can make teams one dimensional, I don't expect to improve much on defense.

This is on Pete. Pete is a defensive guru. He is the expert. He hires and fires the DCs. He knows defense better than anyone in the organization. He has a hand in picking the players. He's the reason the defense is bad right now.

Geno playing well is just more proof that it was not Russell's fault for the team failing to contend again, but Carroll's inability to rebuild the defense. I'm glad that fans like Hawktawk can no longer hide behind Russ as to why this team is bad. He was blaming Russ this whole time, but it has been Pete not rebuilding the defense making this team bad for years.

Even with Geno playing the best he's played in his career. Geno playing like a Pro Bowler. Geno balling out as well as Geno can ball out. We're still losing because Pete Carroll and John Schneider have let this defense fall into the gutter.

[Hawktawk]

I've been saying it's the talent for years and will continue to say it is the talent. We don't have the D-line talent to be a good defense. The defensive line affects both the run and pass defense. You cannot dictate defensively without a strong defensive line that first stops the run, then pressures the passer. Until they rebuild the defensive line so that can make teams one dimensional, I don't expect to improve much on defense.

This is on Pete. Pete is a defensive guru. He is the expert. He hires and fires the DCs. He knows defense better than anyone in the organization. He has a hand in picking the players. He's the reason the defense is bad right now.

Geno playing well is just more proof that it was not Russell's fault for the team failing to contend again, but Carroll's inability to rebuild the defense. I'm glad that fans like Hawktawk can no longer hide behind Russ as to why this team is bad. He was blaming Russ this whole time, but it has been Pete not rebuilding the defense making this team bad for years.

Even with Geno playing the best he's played in his career. Geno playing like a Pro Bowler. Geno balling out as well as Geno can ball out. We're still losing because Pete Carroll and John Schneider have let this defense fall into the gutter.

Talent looked ok Sunday . Amazing what making tackles and playing with discipline can do . Hats off to Clint Hurrt . Quentin Jefferson has already proclaimed the Freak as “ a walking gold jacket “
There’s enough talent on both sides of thr ball to make noise this year . Doesn’t mean they will but it’s not primarily a talent issue Imo .

[Aseahawkfan]

Talent looked ok Sunday . Amazing what making tackles and playing with discipline can do . Hats off to Clint Hurrt . Quentin Jefferson has already proclaimed the Freak as “ a walking gold jacket “
There’s enough talent on both sides of thr ball to make noise this year . Doesn’t mean they will but it’s not primarily a talent issue Imo .

Cherry picking as usual. Wait for the game where they do ok to make some claim. Typical HT.

I hope FO isn't dumb enough to think the talent on defense is good enough to compete. We need pass rushers and D-line badly.

[Hawktawk]

Talent looked ok Sunday . Amazing what making tackles and playing with discipline can do . Hats off to Clint Hurrt . Quentin Jefferson has already proclaimed the Freak as “ a walking gold jacket “
There’s enough talent on both sides of thr ball to make noise this year . Doesn’t mean they will but it’s not primarily a talent issue Imo .

Asea”
Cherry picking as usual. Wait for the game where they do ok to make some claim. Typical HT.

I hope FO isn't dumb enough to think the talent on defense is good enough to compete. We need pass rushers and D-line badly.[/quote]


I’ve consistently said I don’t believe we have all pro talent but it’s adequate . Move up a few posts . I’m actually quite consistent . Said I was surprised it was so bad . Looks like you don’t really read what I write before calling me out . It’s why I said fire Hurrt if it looks this bad vs AZ . Well…..

let’s see . Tariq the Freak was named NFC defensive POTW . That’s our second guy in 6 games as we had our edge guy from San Diego get it vs Denver . When is the last time we had 2 defensive guys get this in a 6 week span ?
I got accused of cherry picking on the 13 quarters of Geno . How is that working out ? Well as of today he is the #9 ranked PFF OFFENSIVE player in the league . That’s backs , linemen , receivers , QBs . That cherry picked sample was enough for me .and I saw a defense where the light came on . But keep rooting for us to be bad because you will win the argument Pete sucks , rosters a disaster . Blah blah blah . Must be a bummer .

[trents]

The defense has been terrible except for the last game. Then it seemed like a switch was turned on and they looked great . . . but against a bad team, mind you. But nonetheless, it was encouraging. Whether or not that is a trend awaits more games and against better offensive competition. But it is a very young unit and Pete seems to connect with younger players better. And it's a young unit that has not had much playing time together. Perhaps they just need more experience and time to get in sync.

[Aseahawkfan]

Bruce Irvin is about to start or get time. He at least knows how to set an edge, which should help the run defense. From what I understand the Chargers don't have much of a run game. Shouldn't have to worry about getting gouged as much with runs, but we'll see.

I don't care how much someone tries to sell me we don't need more talent, they're full of it. We need to draft better D-line and at least one strong pass rush backer/DE to be elite again. Might have to draft another safety as well with Jamal Adams an injury bust. Our LBs and D-line are weak right now. If we want an elite defense again, some of those draft picks are going to need to be spent on 3-4 OLBs and at least DE and NT to make us strong up front. CB seems to be in a good place.

[Hawktawk]

Bruce Irvin is about to start or get time. He at least knows how to set an edge, which should help the run defense. From what I understand the Chargers don't have much of a run game. Shouldn't have to worry about getting gouged as much with runs, but we'll see.

I don't care how much someone tries to sell me we don't need more talent, they're full of it. We need to draft better D-line and at least one strong pass rush backer/DE to be elite again. Might have to draft another safety as well with Jamal Adams an injury bust. Our LBs and D-line are weak right now. If we want an elite defense again, some of those draft picks are going to need to be spent on 3-4 OLBs and at least DE and NT to make us strong up front. CB seems to be in a good place.

Everyone needs more talent . Talented teams with injured starters need talented depth and that includes everyone in the league . I’ll stay off the trading accusations of blind denial but we had 7 sacks I believe , multiple pressures , forced fumbles etc. lost in Tariq la Freak is how damn good Cobe Bryant who received top ten performance rating in an NBC article I read today for his 3 catches on 7 targets for MINUS 1.5 yards . Plus a forced fumble . Here’s what I saw . Neal is our best option at safety . Freak is already being avoided quite a bit which leads to our nickel getting lots of balls just like he did in college across from a first round pick . Poona Ford seemed to step up to the challenge with Woods out , Barton had his best game and Darryl Taylor had his 22 breakout game as his snaps were being limited due to a lack of production. I think there’s enough talent on this defense to be an 18-20 ppg scoring defense right now and only improve. If they play like last week . I have said all year you can’t miss a tackle unless your scheme and athlete was in the position to make it .

Let’s see. We play a team that went to overtime at home with the opposing qb passing for 15 yards in the second half . I think Geno can complete more then that . Some more defense like last week regardless of the names on the roster we could be playoff bound .

[Hawktawk]

Fast forward 3 weeks . #1 scoring defense last month . Leading league in sacks last month . The edge guy from the chargers is a top ten edge guy , our interior D line has made adjustments to basically pick a gap and go instead of having to read and react . This occurred as a result of a meeting between Hurrt and the players where they requested the change . We are also playing more nickel and dime on early downs but it’s a fip of switch to LOB performance . The talent is fine . It’s a top defensive unit . My apologies to the DC. Coaching his ass off .

[Aseahawkfan]

Fast forward 3 weeks . #1 scoring defense last month . Leading league in sacks last month . The edge guy from the chargers is a top ten edge guy , our interior D line has made adjustments to basically pick a gap and go instead of having to read and react . This occurred as a result of a meeting between Hurrt and the players where they requested the change . We are also playing more nickel and dime on early downs but it’s a fip of switch to LOB performance . The talent is fine . It’s a top defensive unit . My apologies to the DC. Coaching his ass off .

Talent is not fine. We still need better D-line guys. The unit is an improving unit playing weak offensive teams in a down NFL year. Pete and John better not be thinking like you that the talent is fine. They better be targeting better D-line and pass rushers for next year because the league isn't going to stay down and weak like this. We need a much strong front seven to do the job against quality teams.

We build the front seven stronger, then we can get back to being an elite unit. Middle of the pack is not the goal.

[RiverDog]

I’d give one more game to Hurrt and if it’s another 200 yard game fire his ass .....Yeah I fire Hurrt . He’s the defensive version of Hackett . Sweating like a drug mule in customs , wide eyed and overmatched by opposing OCs . Same players . Way worse results .

So, do you still want to fire Clint Hurtt?

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm glad the defense is performing better. But I do play good and bad team as that is an important factor in evaluating team needs and talents. No one cares if you're wracking up sacks against Kyler Murry and his depleted O-line when they won't be in the playoffs. We care about how you perform against the Eagles or the Chiefs who you will see in the post-season. You can have a crap team that performs well against other weak teams, then run into a quality team and get smoked because your talent level was an illusion based on performance against terrible teams. I'm not interested in that. I want a real elite defense with a brutal front four, not some best of the non-contenders defense or team.

[Hawktawk]

I’d give one more game to Hurrt and if it’s another 200 yard game fire his ass .....Yeah I fire Hurrt . He’s the defensive version of Hackett . Sweating like a drug mule in customs , wide eyed and overmatched by opposing OCs . Same players . Way worse results .

So, do you still want to fire Clint Hurtt?[/quote]attebtik
No
I don’t . It’s why I just posted what I did . When I’m dead wrong I admit it which is kinda rare in the forum .others should try it . If you were paying attention my remarks were made after the saints game . Since the first AZ game I’ve given credit to Hurrt several times . I will eat the crow . Most won’t .Not sure your point here at all .

[Hawktawk]

I'm glad the defense is performing better. But I do play good and bad team as that is an important factor in evaluating team needs and talents. No one cares if you're wracking up sacks against Kyler Murry and his depleted O-line when they won't be in the playoffs. We care about how you perform against the slot Eagles or the Chiefs who you will see in the post-season. You can have a crap team that performs well against other weak teams, then run into a quality team and get smoked because your talent level was an illusion based on performance against terrible teams. I'm not interested in that. I want a real elite defense with a brutal front four, not some best of the non-contenders defense or team.

We are playing lights out in every phase .Vegas had us underdogs in 6 of our 9 games . You’re wrong about our talent . Bring on these supposed juggernauts. We’re one of the hottest teams in the league .,it’s ok to have been wrong about how good we could be. Just be happy . We’re really good.

[Aseahawkfan]

We are playing lights out in every phase .Vegas had us underdogs in 6 of our 9 games . You’re wrong about our talent . Bring on these supposed juggernauts. We’re one of the hottest teams in the league .,it’s ok to have been wrong about how good we could be. Just be happy . We’re really good.

We got smoked by the 49ers.

Our best win is the Chargers or Giants. The Chargers are pretty injured. Giants are a one horse pony and we stopped their horse.

You'll see that soon enough when we play the Chiefs. Rams I'm still not sure about. We'll see them soon. They have to beat us to stay in the playoff race. They lose even once to us, they are probably done.

Then once we hit the playoffs, we'll see the Eagles and see what they got. And I guess Minnesota.

There are no juggernauts in the NFC. Never seen a worse NFC than this year. But it won't stay that way. I don't feel like seeing Seattle start thinking they're great, then find out the front seven is still the same problem when other teams rebuild their rosters.

You may not care, but I definitely care.

[RiverDog]

We are playing lights out in every phase .Vegas had us underdogs in 6 of our 9 games . You’re wrong about our talent . Bring on these supposed juggernauts. We’re one of the hottest teams in the league .,it’s ok to have been wrong about how good we could be. Just be happy . We’re really good.

We got smoked by the 49ers.

Our best win is the Chargers or Giants. The Chargers are pretty injured. Giants are a one horse pony and we stopped their horse.

You'll see that soon enough when we play the Chiefs. Rams I'm still not sure about. We'll see them soon. They have to beat us to stay in the playoff race. They lose even once to us, they are probably done.

Then once we hit the playoffs, we'll see the Eagles and see what they got. And I guess Minnesota.

There are no juggernauts in the NFC. Never seen a worse NFC than this year. But it won't stay that way. I don't feel like seeing Seattle start thinking they're great, then find out the front seven is still the same problem when other teams rebuild their rosters.

You may not care, but I definitely care.

Plus the Niners are getting a number of starters back. They have 5 that are coming back this week, including Deebo Samuel, Kyle Juszczyk, Elijah Mitchell, Azeez Al-Shaair. Erik Armstead, whom was injured when we played them, is "coming back soon." Trent Williams has missed significant time, too.

[NorthHawk]

Our tackling took a bit of a setback against AZ. It might be a one game issue - I hope so but we are playing beyond expectations as a whole.

[Hawktawk]

#1 scoring defense last month . Bring it on nervous nellies . My eyes are seeing a little more clearly . 9ers was 8 games ago . Since they have lost 28-14 to Atlanta . They have Jimmy G. They will get beat . I fear no team after what I’m watching .

[RiverDog]

Our tackling took a bit of a setback against AZ. It might be a one game issue - I hope so but we are playing beyond expectations as a whole.

I noticed that, too. Hopefully, they just had a bad game. The turf isn't the greatest in AZ, so maybe that was the reason. But the good news is that the Cards' running backs gain just 62 yards rushing, so the missed tackles wasn't at epidemic proportions.

[Aseahawkfan]

Arizona sucks.

I want to see if the Rams step up to beat us because the have to and what we look like against the 49ers in round two. And especially the Chiefs. If we can play the Chiefs though, sky's the limit for the season.

[RiverDog]

Arizona sucks.

I want to see if the Rams step up to beat us because the have to and what we look like against the 49ers in round two. And especially the Chiefs. If we can play the Chiefs though, sky's the limit for the season.

This season, everybody sucks, and nobody sucks. It's weird.

Here we are, heading into Week 10 and there's still no clear favorites. Even the Eagles at 8-0 don't have that juggernaut feel to them.

In the NFC South, every single team is below .500. The AFC East doesn't have a single team below .500.

[Aseahawkfan]

This season, everybody sucks, and nobody sucks. It's weird.

Here we are, heading into Week 10 and there's still no clear favorites. Even the Eagles at 8-0 don't have that juggernaut feel to them.

In the NFC South, every single team is below .500. The AFC East doesn't have a single team below .500.

The Bills with a healthy Josh Allen are hard to beat, but Josh Allen isn't healthy which you saw last game. The Chiefs with a healthy Mahomes are really tough. We'll see how we do when we play them.

Eagles I'm not sure about. We'll see when they play the Cowboys.

Arizona definitely sucks.

There might be juggernauts, but we haven't played any. Only team we played that seemed tough was the 49ers and they destroyed us. I doubt that happens again, but who knows in these division games.

I've seen teams with weak schedules rack up wins, then tank in the playoffs. I'm not sure what if that is us yet.

[Hawktawk]

The 9ers was 2 months ago . We threw a pass with a f@Cking running back with Geno out . Maybe 2 months later you can all understand why I was so angry about taking the ball out of Genos hands on first and 10 at the 13 on a day he completed 80% despite getting his ass kicked all day . We rushed for 36 yards . We got Garrapolo after game planning for Lance . Second game for a brand new line with rook tackles . Rematch please ! Let’s play today . I’ll lay money .

Bring it the F on . The 9ers lost to the midget 11-9. They lost to Atlanta 28-14. Meanwhile we have the #4 scoring offense and # 1 d last month. All these favored teams are suddenly lousy when we win 4 in a row by ten or more . If AZ is lousy we are 2 reasons they are .

I’ll await my raft of crap for being optimistic .
We are currently ranked as high as 6 in some mocks to win the Super Bowl . This ain’t the 21 hawks