Giants Game: I'm not buying the Giants

[Aseahawkfan]

6 and 1 Giants coming to Seattle. Let's just say I'm not buying the Giants. I think they are smoke and mirrors and we will take them.

Seattle 34 Giants 20.

Seems the defense absent Cody Barton is playing much better. I don't think they're elite, but might be able to make middle of the pack which is enough to do the job given the offense is doing so well.

[Old but Slow]

It could be interesting. Both teams rely heavily on the run game, and both are vulnerable to the run game. Walker could have a field day. Also, the Gints don't defend tight ends very well. Finding a solution for the "Barton Problem" could be a key for this game. Could they give Irvin more of Barton's snaps, even if they have to play him out of position.

[c_hawkbob]

Not sure why everyone is dumping on Cody, 46 tackles (26 solo) and a sack through the first five games is good stuff, and the drop off since is because his percentage of defensive snaps played is down to 39%. I suspect there's something going on we don't know about.

[NorthHawk]

6 and 1 Giants coming to Seattle. Let's just say I'm not buying the Giants. I think they are smoke and mirrors and we will take them.

Seattle 34 Giants 20.

Seems the defense absent Cody Barton is playing much better. I don't think they're elite, but might be able to make middle of the pack which is enough to do the job given the offense is doing so well.

I think the Giants are perceived much like the Seahawks. People don’t want to or can’t yet believe that they might be good.
I fall into that group but both teams are playing pretty well of late. Both teams could easily have losing records, but in
the Giants case they’ve got it done in close games. They are getting into some injury issues, so their depth is going to be tested
and it will show how good they actually might be.
It should be an interesting game between two teams that are exceeding expectations.

[Aseahawkfan]

Not sure why everyone is dumping on Cody, 46 tackles (26 solo) and a sack through the first five games is good stuff, and the drop off since is because his percentage of defensive snaps played is down to 39%. I suspect there's something going on we don't know about.

Cody Barton was weak in the run game. His snaps dropping have coincided with improved run defense. They are saying it is because of using more nickel and dime, but anyone watching Cody could see he was a huge weakness in the defense. He wasn't tackling well and wasn't holding his position. He compromised the defense. He's likely gone or not starting next year. He's a liability on the defensive side of the ball.

[Hawktawk]

I’m wary of Brian Daboll. Coaches matter . He’s a qb guru and as such he is well equipped to try to reverse engineer what Geno likes to do as well as getting his guy playing the best of his career . Jones is one of the fastest players in the league . Barkley is as good as he’s ever been . I have more respect for teams like Jacksonville than some , you are what your record says you are . Seattle is on a sugar high alone in first , # 11 in power rankings , finally a 3 point favorite over a 6-1 team . DK likely out .
We better be ready . Not saying I have a bad feeling , just wary . I say Geno and our offense are good not great and so is our defense because we’re playing a 6-1 team .
I do not ever pick Seattle to lose . Vegas hasn’t got it right all year but they don’t play .

Seattle 24-Giants 20

[trents]

Jones may be fast but defenders catch almost as many passes as his receivers, historically at least. This year the Giant's improved running game is taking pressure off of him to make plays with his arm but he is still interception prone and makes bad decisions with the ball. If the Hawks can take away Barkley and make Jones beat us with his arm, we have a good chance.

[trents]

D.K. out? That really doesn't worry me. He is a huge underachiever and is turning out to be injury prone.

[RiverDog]

Not sure why everyone is dumping on Cody, 46 tackles (26 solo) and a sack through the first five games is good stuff, and the drop off since is because his percentage of defensive snaps played is down to 39%. I suspect there's something going on we don't know about.

The number of tackles stat doesn't impress me one little bit. Bad defense that stay on the field a lot of the time are going to have more tackling opportunities for their players than the good ones that force 3 and outs. Having two tacklers in the top ten in the league means that you have a really bad defense. It's one of the most misleading statistics that they keep.

[RiverDog]

D.K. out? That really doesn't worry me. He is a huge underachiever and is turning out to be injury prone.

Metcalf being out doesn't worry me, either, but not because he's an underachiever. Metcalf has been playing well, and I'd rather have him in there than any of our other receivers with the possible exception of Lockett. But there's not a huge drop off as you'd expect if a Pro Bowl offensive tackle or DE were to have suffered the same fate as Metcalf. Marquise Goodwin looked great, and we still have Tyler Locket, who was a little lame this past week. Good wide receivers are a dime a dozen.

[I-5]

As Bill Parcells would say, you are what your record says you are. The Giants are good by that definition. If it means lucky, then that is part of their mojo.

By the definition, the Seahawks aren't that good (yet). I think that's fine.

Vegas has the game pretty much even (giving +3 to the visitors being SOP). It's a toss up for me.

[trents]

Metcalf being out doesn't worry me, either, but not because he's an underachiever. Metcalf has been playing well, and I'd rather have him in there than any of our other receivers with the possible exception of Lockett. But there's not a huge drop off as you'd expect if a Pro Bowl offensive tackle or DE were to have suffered the same fate as Metcalf. Marquise Goodwin looked great, and we still have Tyler Locket, who was a little lame this past week. Good wide receivers are a dime a dozen.

IMO, Metcalf has trouble getting open and we haven't seen a big catch and run from him in quite awhile. I just don't see him in the same class as say, Mike Evans.

[RiverDog]

This will be a good test for our defense. Saquon Barkley is having a good season, has yet to be held under 70 yards, topped 100 yards three times including last weekend vs. the Jags, 2nd in the league in rushing yards. Plus, we'll have to defend a running QB in Daniel Jones. If we can shut down the Giants offense, particularly the run game where we've had trouble in the past, then I'll concede that we've turned the corner.

[Hawktawk]

Metcalf being out doesn't worry me, either, but not because he's an underachiever. Metcalf has been playing well, and I'd rather have him in there than any of our other receivers with the possible exception of Lockett. But there's not a huge drop off as you'd expect if a Pro Bowl offensive tackle or DE were to have suffered the same fate as Metcalf. Marquise Goodwin looked great, and we still have Tyler Locket, who was a little lame this past week. Good wide receivers are a dime a dozen.

IMO, Metcalf has trouble getting open and we haven't seen a big catch and run from him in quite awhile. I just don't see him in the same class as say, Mike Evans.[/quote]

Lets not get out in front of our skis here. DK isn't a dime a dozen "good " receiver. Hes a game changer. Hes already had big catches this year, big catch and runs. Hes had a few drops and his saints game *fumble* NOT only occurred because he didn't possess the ball until handing it to the ref. But in the same game he had a great catch of a great throw on the end line that was robbed away by a bs call.Criminal officiating in that game.

DK is also being lauded for his run blocking. He brings attitude. leadership.
Its a hole in the lineup. Not saying we don't have enough for Sunday buy Id like my chances a lot better with DK on the field any game. And are we talking about the same Mike Evans that was part of the 3 point effort vs Carolina with a big drop ? Yeah they all have bad days. I would not trade DK for Evans or very many guys in the league. A few, not many.

[RiverDog]

Lets not get out in front of our skis here. DK isn't a dime a dozen "good " receiver. Hes a game changer. Hes already had big catches this year, big catch and runs. Hes had a few drops and his saints game *fumble* NOT only occurred because he didn't possess the ball until handing it to the ref. But in the same game he had a great catch of a great throw on the end line that was robbed away by a bs call.Criminal officiating in that game.

DK is also being lauded for his run blocking. He brings attitude. leadership.
Its a hole in the lineup. Not saying we don't have enough for Sunday buy Id like my chances a lot better with DK on the field any game. And are we talking about the same Mike Evans that was part of the 3 point effort vs Carolina with a big drop ? Yeah they all have bad days. I would not trade DK for Evans or very many guys in the league. A few, not many.

Metcalf hasn't changed very many games this season. He's lost as many fumbles as he's scored TD's.

I never said that receivers like Metcalf are a dime a dozen. I said that good, even very good receivers, are a dime a dozen. I'm also not saying that our chances aren't better with him in there than not as even if Metcalf doesn't catch a pass, he's a preoccupation for the defense. It's just that there isn't a huge drop off and that his impact on the game is overrated.

[trents]

Metcalf being lauded for his leadership and attitude? Are you kidding? He's a whiner and sometimes a diva.

[Hawktawk]

I see who I’m dealing with yes . Whatever . As to the op did a little studying on Daniel Jones . He has a passer rating of 90, bottom third . He’s worse vs NFC with a 79 passer rating . But he has a 98 rating in October. All these stats are coupled with a pedestrian 6 TDs with 2 picks 6 yards per attempt . But this caught my eye . On the ROAD he averaged 7.5 yards per attempt with a 75 yard TD and a passer rating of 102. His total qbr is 65, # 6 2 behind Geno .
We better be ready .

[RiverDog]

I see who I’m dealing with yes . Whatever . As to the op did a little studying on Daniel Jones . He has a passer rating of 90, bottom third . He’s worse vs NFC with a 79 passer rating . But he has a 98 rating in October. All these stats are coupled with a pedestrian 6 TDs with 2 picks 6 yards per attempt . But this caught my eye . On the ROAD he averaged 7.5 yards per attempt with a 75 yard TD and a passer rating of 102. His total qbr is 65, # 6 2 behind Geno .
We better be ready .

The strength of the Giants offense is their running game. Saquon Barkley is having a career year, and Daniel Jones, although not comparable to Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes, does a good job of packing the rock. On the other hand, our defense against the run has been horrid, ranking 30th in the league. The key to the game will be our ability to keep Barkley and Jones bottled up.

[NorthHawk]

They’re hurting on the OL with Evan Neal getting dinged up last game.

[NorthHawk]

Their LG along with others will test their depth.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... or-giants/

[Hawktawk]

Both teams can run . Both struggle to stop it although Seattle has been very good lately . Barkley is a bit luckier Penny , more highly regarded . Incredibly talented and explosive . When healthy he can hang a 150+burger on any defense just like Penny could .
But K 9 looks better . We are 9 overall in rushing but #1 at 5.6 ypc due to limited posessions early in the year with no defense . But now with our multiple TE sets with our line maturing and gelling our offense should be a bigger problem for them then vice versa

[obiken]

6 and 1 Giants coming to Seattle. Let's just say I'm not buying the Giants. I think they are smoke and mirrors and we will take them.
Seattle 34 Giants 20.
Seems the defense absent Cody Barton is playing much better. I don't think they're elite, but might be able to make middle of the pack which is enough to do the job given the offense is doing so well.

There are contenders and pretenders, this game with decide which one of these teams is which. This game is a real crossroads game for the both of them. The loser will go one way, the winner the other. Sorry to you and your evil twin brother HT, but I think we lose, but hell how many times have I been wrong!!

[Hawktawk]

6 and 1 Giants coming to Seattle. Let's just say I'm not buying the Giants. I think they are smoke and mirrors and we will take them.
Seattle 34 Giants 20.
Seems the defense absent Cody Barton is playing much better. I don't think they're elite, but might be able to make middle of the pack which is enough to do the job given the offense is doing so well.

There are contenders and pretenders, this game with decide which one of these teams is which. This game is a real crossroads game for the both of them. The loser will go one way, the winner the other. Sorry to you and your evil twin brother HT, but I think we lose, but hell how many times have I been wrong!![/quote]

I would expect Asea to debate your evil twin comparison with me . He seems pretty disciplined and I’m an absolute sh$t show I think we would enjoy one another’s company.

[Aseahawkfan]

I would expect Asea to debate your evil twin comparison with me . He seems pretty disciplined and I’m an absolute sh$t show I think we would enjoy one another’s company.

I don't hold a grudge. If we got together face to face and the conversation was more relaxed other than some heated debate that was mostly civil, we get along fine.

I mostly get what's happening on forums when sometimes people start ranting. I also figure some folks drink, then post and that's when it gets really wild.

And everyone has their own personality as well. You get used to it after a while.

The base reality is we're a bunch of fans posting on a forum jawing back and forth mostly for amusement. So no use holding grudges or worrying too much about it as the effect on the real world is minimal. Russ don't care that you're bagging on him or that I'm defending him. His life is already a well-lived life and as long as he isn't stupid with his money him and his family will live well for generations.

And I still ain't buying the Giants. They gotta beat us in our house or they aren't for real. And I don't think they can.

[NorthHawk]

At this point, I don't think either team is for real and this game won't tell us much about them either in regards to contender or pretender.
What we do know is both teams are doing better than expected but it's a long season and things can go off the rails pretty quickly.

[RiverDog]

At this point, I don't think either team is for real and this game won't tell us much about them either in regards to contender or pretender.
What we do know is both teams are doing better than expected but it's a long season and things can go off the rails pretty quickly.

Agreed.

Every one of the Giants 7 games have been decided by 7 points or less. Just a couple bounces of the ball not going their way could have had a dramatic effect on their W/L record. Their game last week vs. Jacksonville is a prime example. On the final play of the game, the Jags receiver was stopped less than a yard short from scoring what would have been a walk off TD/XP. Are they for real? Hell if I know.

QB Daniel Jones doesn't have eye popping stats and no one is going to confuse him for Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes, but he's a solid game manager type of quarterback that limits turnovers (just two int's in 7 games) and is himself a threat to run the ball.

[Hawktawk]

At this point, I don't think either team is for real and this game won't tell us much about them either in regards to contender or pretender.
What we do know is both teams are doing better than expected but it's a long season and things can go off the rails pretty quickly.

I think the game will go a long ways to determining who is for real whatever that means . Having watched every game it sure looks to me like Seattle is at least on the way to being a contender . They don’t even resemble the first 2 weeks or first 5 for that matter . They have looked like a solid well rounded good to occasionally dominant team last 2 weeks . I don’t know much about the giants other than they are 6-1 with a really athletic qb and a truly greates running back . Looks like the sports media and Vegas have finally bought in to Seattle . Up 9 in the power ranking to #11. 3 point faves , prognosticators climbing on their jock . Makes me nervous . Huard was breaking down their offense and said their run offense is much like ours with Russ and Beast was with pistol and read concepts and a young fast qb who will take off if they don’t account for him. And what looks like a great hire in Daboll .

I sense a Donnybrook if we want to go 5-3 . I hope to be way wrong . Just a sense .

[Hawktawk]

And North you are correct . There’s lots of time left . It’s a field goal league . We could as easily be 6-1 or 2-5. 10 games left . Let’s see what happens .

[RiverDog]

At this point, I don't think either team is for real and this game won't tell us much about them either in regards to contender or pretender.
What we do know is both teams are doing better than expected but it's a long season and things can go off the rails pretty quickly.

I think the game will go a long ways to determining who is for real whatever that means . Having watched every game it sure looks to me like Seattle is at least on the way to being a contender . They don’t even resemble the first 2 weeks or first 5 for that matter . They have looked like a solid well rounded good to occasionally dominant team last 2 weeks . I don’t know much about the giants other than they are 6-1 with a really athletic qb and a truly greates running back . Looks like the sports media and Vegas have finally bought in to Seattle . Up 9 in the power ranking to #11. 3 point faves , prognosticators climbing on their jock . Makes me nervous . Huard was breaking down their offense and said their run offense is much like ours with Russ and Beast was with pistol and read concepts and a young fast qb who will take off if they don’t account for him. And what looks like a great hire in Daboll .

I sense a Donnybrook if we want to go 5-3 . I hope to be way wrong . Just a sense .

I haven't seen a consistent, game-to-game change in our paradigm. The defense started out OK, holding Denver to just 16 points and the Niners and Falcons under 30, but then started giving up points in bushel baskets, 45 of them to the Lions and 39 to the Saints until they got it turned around over the past couple of weeks. The offense has been a lot more consistent, the only time that they really laid an egg being against a good 49'ers defense in Week 2. We've won one game, lost one, won one, lost two, and finally won two on our road to a 4-3 record.

Thanks to the Red Zone, I've been able to watch bits and pieces of every game. Daniel Jones is an athletic QB, but he's not Josh Allen or even Taysom Hill. I don't think it will be necessary to put a spy on him or anything like that, rather the emphasis needs to be stopping Barkley and force Jones to beat us with his arm. The Giants are a run heavy offense, running the ball 55% of the time counting Jones' scramble plays. Compare that with our offense that runs just 45% of the time. I'd stack the box with 8 defenders on the early downs and see how our corners match up on their relatively weak WR corps. Force them into 3rd and long and make Jones beat us with his arm.

[obiken]

I haven't seen a consistent, game-to-game change in our paradigm. The defense started out OK, holding Denver to just 16 points and the Niners and Falcons under 30, but then started giving up points in bushel baskets, 45 of them to the Lions and 39 to the Saints until they got it turned around over the past couple of weeks. The offense has been a lot more consistent, the only time that they really laid an egg being against a good 49'ers defense in Week 2. We've won one game, lost one, won one, lost two, and finally won two on our road to a 4-3 record.

Thanks to the Red Zone, I've been able to watch bits and pieces of every game. Daniel Jones is an athletic QB, but he's not Josh Allen or even Taysom Hill. I don't think it will be necessary to put a spy on him or anything like that, rather the emphasis needs to be stopping Barkley and force Jones to beat us with his arm. The Giants are a run heavy offense, running the ball 55% of the time counting Jones' scramble plays. Compare that with our offense that runs just 45% of the time. I'd stack the box with 8 defenders on the early downs and see how our corners match up on their relatively weak WR corps. Force them into 3rd and long and make Jones beat us with his arm.

I just think their defense is for real River, I am with ASHF, I am not sold on the Giants either, but I just think they win this game. Its a pickem game to me, but I just see the Giants pulling it out.

[Stream Hawk]

Shocker - Obiken picking against the Hawks. Just messing with you
I am guilty of drinking the Kool-Aid lately, especially after last week. If the defense is stepping up, then I think we are a better team than NYG. Pete wants to start rolling and likes to be in first place. I do not think the Niners are going away, so we need to win these tougher conference matchups.

K9 has potential to go off against their poor run defense. Even without DK, I love our offense with the use of three tight ends. I can see Goodwin or Eskridge stepping up in place of DK. No score prediction but I do think we win this. Go Hawks!

[RiverDog]

Shocker - Obiken picking against the Hawks. Just messing with you
I am guilty of drinking the Kool-Aid lately, especially after last week. If the defense is stepping up, then I think we are a better team than NYG. Pete wants to start rolling and likes to be in first place. I do not think the Niners are going away, so we need to win these tougher conference matchups.

K9 has potential to go off against their poor run defense. Even without DK, I love our offense with the use of three tight ends. I can see Goodwin or Eskridge stepping up in place of DK. No score prediction but I do think we win this. Go Hawks!

Yeah, but you can say the same thing about Barkley going up against our horrid run defense, which statistically is worse than the Giants. That's going to be the key. If we can keep Barkley under 85-90 yards, we have a dang good chance of beating them. He goes off for 130 or so, I don't see us winning. Stack the box on 1st and 2nd down.

I do think we have a little bit of an edge in our passing offense, which even without Metcalf, is quite a bit better than what the Giants can trot out. I'm leaning towards picking us to win a close one, maybe 31-28.

[Stream Hawk]

Yeah, but you can say the same thing about Barkley going up against our horrid run defense, which statistically is worse than the Giants. That's going to be the key. If we can keep Barkley under 85-90 yards, we have a dang good chance of beating them. He goes off for 130 or so, I don't see us winning. Stack the box on 1st and 2nd down.

I do think we have a little bit of an edge in our passing offense, which even without Metcalf, is quite a bit better than what the Giants can trot out. I'm leaning towards picking us to win a close one, maybe 31-28.

I suppose I’m just going by momentum. I highly doubt this Giants team has seen such a rowdy outdoor stadium before as Lumen. I expect the 12s to be in full effect on Sunday. Think Giants game 2005…

[trents]

Looks like not only Metcalf but Lockett as well may not be fully functional for the Giants game and that doesn't bode well. https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/15 ... 2020961281

[RiverDog]

Looks like not only Metcalf but Lockett as well may not be fully functional for the Giants game and that doesn't bode well. https://twitter.com/MikeDugar/status/15 ... 2020961281

Lockett was questionable last week, too, yet he still played. I wouldn't be too worried about him. I'm starting him on fantasy team.

One of the problems with these injury reports is that they eliminated the "probable" designation, so it's a little more difficult to tell just how bad a player is.

[NorthHawk]

The Giants LG and LT are injured but it's not yet known if they will play. They didn't finish their last game.
Obviously it affects their run game and their Offense as it is based primarily on the run.
It could be a blowout or it could be a low scoring game. That's what happens with two overachieving teams.

We have a bunch of questionables and outs, too so it might be a test of quality depth.

https://www.giants.com/news/nfl-week-8- ... day-status

[obiken]

Lockett was questionable last week, too, yet he still played. I wouldn't be too worried about him. I'm starting him on fantasy team.
One of the problems with these injury reports is that they eliminated the "probable" designation, so it's a little more difficult to tell just how bad a player is.

I just see Wink dialing up blitzes and Barky running real well.

[Hawktawk]

Lockett was questionable last week, too, yet he still played. I wouldn't be too worried about him. I'm starting him on fantasy team.
One of the problems with these injury reports is that they eliminated the "probable" designation, so it's a little more difficult to tell just how bad a player is.

I just see Wink dialing up blitzes and Barky running real well.[/quote]

Moyer is bullish , anticipates a convincing win . He thinks the Giants are a great running team , bad run defense team that does everything else so so . They hang around in games late . He thinks Seattle is going to stomp them.
I don’t feel that good . It’s what they play the games for

[NorthHawk]

The left side of their OL is hurting so that might limit some of their run game and pass pro.
So it will boil down to whether our Defense has improved on stopping the run. If yes, we probably win, if not we
probably lose.

[Aseahawkfan]

Eagles look for real at this point. Seven games in. 7 and 0. Their QB is tearing people up.

Let's see how real the Giants are now.