New Orleans Game

[Aseahawkfan]

Another very winnable game against a weak New Orleans team rebuilding. Their starting QB is out, but he wasn't a great starting QB anyway. So they have Andy Dalton, a former starter, playing QB. Not sure who there other skill players are.

Their defense is middle of the pack.

Pulled this from another thread from c-bob post:

the Saints [defense] are 5th in completion % against and 2nd in TD % against. He does well there I'll be much more impressed.

What I'd like to see this game:
1. Keep the run game going. We need the run game to keep grinding yards and get on track to keep the defense off the field.

2. Maybe see Pete let Geno throw more in the 2nd half. Right now I'm not sure if the second half problems on offense are because Pete is going extra conservative or the defense adjusts so well to what we do they shut down the offense in the second half. This will be more concerning as teams get more film on the offense we're running with Geno and come into the game ready to stop us.

3. Some kind of improvement on defense against a weaker offense. This defense is terrible right now. Just as Detroit's defense was a great team to get the offense going against, the Saints offense should be a good game to show this defense can improve.

This game is a toss up between two non-contending teams.

23-20 Seahawks. The defense steps up and keeps the opposing offense to 20 points and we manage to put up 23.

[Hawktawk]

It’s week 4. Everyone’s a contender . As for the Saints I haven’t done a deep dive on them this year so
I’m kinda winging it . I look at last year , Genos worst start in 21, 60% completion , only 10 points . He did gun one to DK who went 65 yards to the house burning Lattimore but Lattimore spent the rest of the night fighting with DK , grabbing face masks . Lattimore was penalized a time or 2 for it but DK only caught one ball rest of the night on a night of steady rain . Meyers missed 2 FGs . Our defense held them to 13 .
I keep reading you football gurus suggesting the reason Geno is breaking NFL records is nobody has enough film . The saints game with Payton as head coach , that was Genos schemed up game . If he keeps doing what he’s been doing it can’t be stopped no matter how much tape they have of a guy making great reads , quick decisions and historically accurate throws.
I think they are better with Dalton but he’s no Geno Smith our defense may not be ready to shut people down but they were disruptive last week, the corners anyway and I think they build off it .

Geno states his case as a top qb . Seahawks 31, saints 17.

[RiverDog]

The Saints are 1-3, losing this past Sunday literally by a bad bounce when a game tying FG struck both the upright and the crossbar before falling to the ground. After winning their opener, they've lost the last 3 in a row. They finished 9-8 last season, barely missing the playoffs. With Geno as the starter, they beat us at home last season 13-10.

Alvin Kamara is back this week after missing the past two games. Jameis Winston didn't play last week, either, and still isn't practicing. However, Andy Dalton filled in admirably last weekend and might even be a better option than the starter.

The Saints defense is far from being a top 10 D, but they ain't chopped liver, either. Statistically, they're middle of the pack, yielding 24 PPG. RT Abe Lucas, who hasn't allowed a sack in 4 games this season, will face a much stiffer challenge in Cameron Jordan, who typically plays from the offensive right.

The Saints are favored by 5.5, which I think might be a bit high. IMO it's basically a tossup talent wise, so I'll give the home team a slight edge. I'm expecting another high scoring game, although obviously not as high scoring as last week. I'm going with 28-27 Saints.

[Hawktawk]

Lattimore got burned and got flagged for a big penalty last week in the closing minutes . He’s one of the best and he will be on metcalf all day . He was last year too and wound up getting the better of it after Geno smoked him for an 84 yard TD. He relied on trash talk and wrestling around and DK only caught one more ball all day . This we are learning about Smith. He will go to his bell cows no matter who is covering them . Last week DK was guarded by the best corner Detroit had and was targeted 4 times for 3 catches, 103 yards and one pass breakup . He has TDs over Ramsey and Lattimore . I see a matchup predictor that has us with a 27% chance of victory . Wtf against a retread HC , a retread olded out backup , a 1-3 record . It has to be a combination of assuming our defense will suck all year and that our loaded with skill offense , improving line and hottest qb in the league not named Mahomes can’t pick up the slack .
Bring it on .

[Aseahawkfan]

This defense is really pissing me off. I'll gladly roll another year or three with Geno if he can keep this up to use these picks on the defense. Seems if Geno has good protection with these two ridiculous tackles we drafted, he can get the job done. We haven't seen tackles on offense this good since Holmgren was here. Holmgren is watching these tackles and wishing he was back at head coach.

[obiken]

This defense is really pissing me off. I'll gladly roll another year or three with Geno if he can keep this up to use these picks on the defense. Seems if Geno has good protection with these two ridiculous tackles we drafted, he can get the job done. We haven't seen tackles on offense this good since Holmgren was here. Holmgren is watching these tackles and wishing he was back at head coach.

Bite your tongue! Thats what I think Pete will do, we need a Franchise guy to win in this league long term!

[Aseahawkfan]

Bite your tongue! Thats what I think Pete will do, we need a Franchise guy to win in this league long term!

We're in a pickle there, Obi. We need a franchise guy to win long-term, but we also need a defense that isn't giving up 39 points to an offense that scored 19 points a game going into it. And it's gonna take more players to fix this defense than the offense.

Even you gotta admit these Offensive tackles we drafted are what you been dreaming about for years. As much as people are talking up Geno, it's these tackles giving him all day back there that is allowing him to be this precise. They are ridiculous. And the 3rd rounder may be better than the 1st rounder, which is insane. All these years of drafting crap O-line and they roll double sixes on these tackles. It's early sure, but man, they look amazing. If we do draft a stud at QB, he's going to be able to develop without getting wrecked or having to run around.

[Hawktawk]

Geno threw a second half TD and checked Walker into a TD run . DK dropped a TD . The last sack was bad , reminded me of Wilson last few years but with this defense Jesus H. Should have had 38 points but it’s Genos fault . Our play calling on some of the misdirection plays left a lot to be desired and the fake punt or whaterver it was wtf. Penny getting hurt sucks . Walker looked good . We’re not winning 10 with this defense . Maybe not 5.

[obiken]

We're in a pickle there, Obi. We need a franchise guy to win long-term, but we also need a defense that isn't giving up 39 points to an offense that scored 19 points a game going into it. And it's gonna take more players to fix this defense than the offense.

Even you gotta admit these Offensive tackles we drafted are what you been dreaming about for years. As much as people are talking up Geno, it's these tackles giving him all day back there that is allowing him to be this precise. They are ridiculous. And the 3rd rounder may be better than the 1st rounder, which is insane. All these years of drafting crap O-line and they roll double sixes on these tackles. It's early sure, but man, they look amazing. If we do draft a stud at QB, he's going to be able to develop without getting wrecked or having to run around.

I know man its really a tough call, outside of Brooks this Defense is a bucket of warm garbage. Trouble is Geno is going to be more expensive to resign the better he plays as the season progresses.

[obiken]

40 points a game, can you imagine if we had the defense in the early 90's when our offense sucked!!

[obiken]

ASHF, I still think your prediction of 7-8 games is more realistic than the 10 win season predicted by Hawky, and 4 wins by me!

[Aseahawkfan]

I know man its really a tough call, outside of Brooks this Defense is a bucket of warm garbage. Trouble is Geno is going to be more expensive to resign the better he plays as the season progresses.

Geno will still be cheaper than Russ by a good measure.

I know fans are hot on Geno right now. But the GMs and money people are not going to be looking at what Geno does against the Detroits and New Orleans. They are going to be looking at what Geno does against the San Franciscos and Arizonas and San Diego and Kansas City. Some fans like to think the quality of the opponent doesn't matter, but GMs and owners know the quality of the opponent matters. Putting up wins or good numbers against garbage defenses isn't what wins in the playoffs or makes you a contender. True franchise QBs ball against division opponents and can hang with the top teams in the league. That's what they get paid to do.

Main reason I'd tolerate Geno is this defense is really awful. So bad that Pete should feel real bad for putting that garbage on the field. Pete Carroll has to be embarrassed by his defense. His defense is stinking as bad as Russ in Denver. It's terrible.

This defense cannot continue. I'm about as straight shooter as it gets. The cold assessment of this team is Geno is doing enough to win, but the defense is so egregiously bad that we could have prime Tom Brady or Dan Marino or Patrick Mahomes back there and we'd still be losing. They are terrible. The only real bright spot is Tariq Woolen. But back to front I can't imagine what is going to happen to us against the Chiefs or even next week against a running QB like Kyler Murray.

[Aseahawkfan]

ASHF, I still think your prediction of 7-8 games is more realistic than the 10 win season predicted by Hawky, and 4 wins by me!

With this defense, don't give up on your 4 win prediction. We got a division opponent coming up against Arizona with a running QB and then San Diego who is probably looking at our defense as a chance to get well on offense.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I live in South Louisiana, so I just got out of this game. It was fun to watch the offense make some nice plays. Lockett had a nice game. Geno dropped a dime to him on his second TD which I didn’t think I’d be saying. That huge run by Walker showed why he was drafted where he was.

Pete made a really bad call with that fake punt. The risk out weighed the reward and set NO up for easy points. Then they don’t even spy Taysom. He’s got to fix this defense.

Geno did take that really bad sack late. That’s going to happen when the defense is barely helping you out and the offense has to carry the day.

[RiverDog]

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[Hawktawk]

The officiating was terrible . I give them an assist . They rob a TD from DK on a phantom hold on cross , say DK completed a catch and fumbled then overturned 4th and 9 on call on the field for a TD with no football move and a clear loss of posession . Didn’t seem to take long either . Uncalled holds on them all day on both sides of the ball . We got zero breaks .
Geno was scrappy, usually damn intelligent with the ball . He’s gaining value every game . We would be 4-1 with Nortons defense . It’s ridiculous .

[RiverDog]

The officiating was terrible . I give them an assist . They rob a TD from DK on a phantom hold on cross , say DK completed a catch and fumbled then overturned 4th and 9 on call on the field for a TD with no football move and a clear loss of posession . Didn’t seem to take long either . Uncalled holds on them all day on both sides of the ball . We got zero breaks .
Geno was scrappy, usually damn intelligent with the ball . He’s gaining value every game . We would be 4-1 with Nortons defense . It’s ridiculous .

I'll have to watch the replay, but my instinct was that the refs were right to overturn Metcalf's TD. It was close to be sure. Cross's hold was ticky tack.

But on the other hand, we're drawing A LOT of flags, 23 of them in just the past two games. We lead the league in yellow laundry. Can't blame the refs in all our games. There's a lot wrong with this team, and we can't attribute our woes to officiating. You can't expect the offense to score 40+ points in every game.

4-1 with Norton's defense? Ha! If you want to play what if, we're 4 points from being 0-5.

[Oly]

Thoughts in no particular order:

Man, DK is frustrating. On one play he's unbeatable, the next he's beating himself. There is no in-between with that guy. At least he's young; I hope he gets the ball security stuff figured out.

Geno looks good. Yeah, he had that killer Russell-esque sack, and that sucked, but I've liked what I've seen.

Pete's teams are always undisciplined, but when those flags came from the LOB-led group that's super aggressive, I could forgive them. These flags are coming from a group that's super stupid, and that's harder to forgive.

Sucks about Penny. He was looking really good, and this injury has nothing to do with him being injury prone. Ankles just aren't made to sustain those big linemen falling on them.

This draft class is looking as good as I thought it would be, and like many of y'all I thought this looked like the best draft since 2012. Yeah, the rooks had some flags, but they look like they belong. I see a pair of starting CBs, a pair of starting OTs, a RB that was the most questionable pick looking prescient after Penny went down, and a DE that...is okay for a rookie. That is one hell of a haul.

While this defense and DK are frustrating to watch, it's entertaining football at times. If I'm going to yell at my screen in a losing effort, I'd rather do it in a game where the offense is putting up points. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather watch the great defenses of the LOB era than this year's Hawks games that look like college games, but I was as entertained watching a loss as possible.

Brooks is really missing Bobby. When Brooks didn't have to be the brains of the defense and could just do what Bobby told him to, he looked really good at times last year. But now he's making mistakes, none more glaring than picking up the wrong crosser on that back-breaking 3rd down conversion on the final drive.

Woods is a beast.

I don't hate the fake punt call as much as most--I didn't like it, but I'm not angry at it, because I know I'd love it if it turned out differently and it's where the Saints weren't looking for a fake--but this special teams unit isn't disciplined well enough or coached well enough to pull that play off.

The reffing was s***.

At the end of the day, I still turn on every game cheering like hell for a Hawks win, but I also know that there isn't enough talent on this team to compete in the coming years and so each loss helps the draft effort. I find that this attitude is helping me brush off these bad performances better than I have in previous years.

[obiken]

The officiating was terrible . I give them an assist . They rob a TD from DK on a phantom hold on cross , say DK completed a catch and fumbled then overturned 4th and 9 on call on the field for a TD with no football move and a clear loss of posession . Didn’t seem to take long either . Uncalled holds on them all day on both sides of the ball . We got zero breaks .
Geno was scrappy, usually damn intelligent with the ball . He’s gaining value every game . We would be 4-1 with Nortons defense . It’s ridiculous .

I loved Kenny but Nortons defenses were getting us nowhere fast we just dont have enough playmakers.

[RiverDog]

We would be 4-1 with Nortons defense . It’s ridiculous .

That wasn't Norton's defense just like this isn't Clint Hurtt's defense. Make no mistake: It's Pete's defense. Always has been and always will be. If you want to blame someone for the bad defenses that we've had, you need not look any further than the guy with the snow cap on his dome.

We've had 3 DC's in the last 7 years. The one constant is Pete Carroll.

[Hawktawk]

Last I checked Hurrt was making the calls . Pete’s always been the overseer but this is was the new whiz bang 3-4 and I remember most everyone loved the sound of Hurrt and Desai telling us how great it was gonna be .

It’s not all personell . It’s scheme . Teams are dialing up plays to get us out of position, we’re missing tackles including guys like Diggs which are critical backstop errors . He looks like a guy who broke an ankle last year . It’s not one thing , it’s everything . I can’t remember such a futile effort in any 5 game stretch in team history .

[RiverDog]

Last I checked Hurrt was making the calls . Pete’s always been the overseer but this is was the new whiz bang 3-4 and I remember most everyone loved the sound of Hurrt and Desai telling us how great it was gonna be .

It’s not all personell . It’s scheme . Teams are dialing up plays to get us out of position, we’re missing tackles including guys like Diggs which are critical backstop errors . He looks like a guy who broke an ankle last year . It’s not one thing , it’s everything . I can’t remember such a futile effort in any 5 game stretch in team history .

I agree, it's a combination of things. But my point is that this is Pete's defense. We cannot escape that conclusion. He's thrown two other DC's under the bus in recent years. It's time that we start holding Pete accountable instead of characterizing our defenses as being the sole possession of the DC.

Can someone tell me why in the hell we didn't put a spy on Taysom Hill? Isn't that how you defend a running quarterback? When he's in at QB, there's a 70% chance that it's going to be a run, but even knowing that we still couldn't stop him.

[Aseahawkfan]

Stop making excuses. If fans can hammer on Russell for the offense, but don't want to call out the defensive guru head coach Pete Carroll for a crap defense then they aren't telling the truth.

This is on Pete. He approved the scheme. He is a defensive expert who made his name as a DC. It's how he became a head coach. He built the Legion of Boom. Not Gus Bradly or Dan Quinn. I doubt anyone would claim the offense was on the offensive coordinator when Mike Holmgren was here, not sure why they want to blame the DC when Pete Carroll is here.

It isn't scheme, It's personnel. It has been for years now. Not a single double digit pass rusher since 2018? That's not scheme. That's bad drafting on the defensive side of the ball.

This bad defensive play is going to continue until we get better personnel, especially on the D-line.

[Hawktawk]

I’m not excusing Carroll at all . I think something needs to change or as entertaining as Geno and the offense is I may have to turn it off when we’re on defense . I feel like puking . It’s not all talent . Pressures and sacks are part of a scheme too . We knocked the hell out of Dalton and I’ll give him credit , he played well all day . Whine about hill all you want but he’s been running against defenses that knew he was running for years and all those defenses are better than ours . I think we have too many pussies on defense , no leadership or identity . Still could have won.
2-3 bring on the Tards

[RiverDog]

I’m not excusing Carroll at all . I think something needs to change or as entertaining as Geno and the offense is I may have to turn it off when we’re on defense . I feel like puking . It’s not all talent . Pressures and sacks are part of a scheme too . We knocked the hell out of Dalton and I’ll give him credit , he played well all day . Whine about hill all you want but he’s been running against defenses that knew he was running for years and all those defenses are better than ours . I think we have too many pussies on defense , no leadership or identity . Still could have won.
2-3 bring on the Tards

The change needed to happen at the end of last season. Pete should have been fired.

You have to go all the way back to 2016 to find a Pete Carroll defense that was ranked in the top 10. Here's what it's been since:

2021 28th in Total Yards per Game
2020 22nd in Total Yards per Game
2019 26th in Total Yards per Game
2018 16th in Total Yards per Game
2017 11th in Total Yards per Game

Now, here we are 5 games into the 2022 season, sucking hind boobie. But you fell in love with Pete because you hated Russell to such a degree that you'd wrap your arms and legs around Mickey Mouse if he was the one that traded him.

I'm not advocating that we fire Pete now. I made a pledge to myself to give him a fair chance at redemption. I'm just saying that this poor product that we put on the field should surprise no one.

[Agent 86]

I'm OK with a close entertaining loss. With this D, there is no hope of making any kind of run. So a higher pick is OK with me.

Geno continues to play well, there are a few things you could bring up today, but it's nitpicking. He has been fun to watch this year.

Too bad about Penny, you have to feel for him as another injury does him in.

This D is a mess, an absolute mess. And yes, it is totally Pete's D, this falls on him. And I brought his name up earlier to tried to key on watching him today. Cody Barton is awful, just awful. And he is such a key part of the defense that is one area that has to be upgraded immediately. Other than the sack he had in week #1, I don't recall a positive play he has made all year.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm going to wait until the end of the year as I don't want to buy into fool's gold, but if Geno can step up against our division opponents and maybe at least a good showing against some stronger team I'd be willing to wait a little bit to draft a QB or at least draft more of a development prospect and focus on the defense. But it's early and we only played one division game. We know division games are different than other games. You gotta beat your division to make the playoffs or at least split to make the playoffs and contend.

[Hawktawk]

Geno has better numbers then anyone in the division . He played very well against a good defensive team with a legitimate all pro edge rusher and corner . He doesn’t play defense unfortunately . But can it stay this bad ? It’s got to improve doesn’t it? What people miss about our offensive production is the limited drives due to no defense and today turnovers etc . If we were dealing 3 and outs we would be cruising . We have to get better . I expect it

[Aseahawkfan]

Geno has better numbers then anyone in the division . He played very well against a good defensive team with a legitimate all pro edge rusher and corner . He doesn’t play defense unfortunately . But can it stay this bad ? It’s got to improve doesn’t it? What people miss about our offensive production is the limited drives due to no defense and today turnovers etc . If we were dealing 3 and outs we would be cruising . We have to get better . I expect it

Geno has been good. Anyone who can't admit that is being blind.

Only things left for Geno to prove is beat your division at home because team at least has to hold serve at home in division games and win in the fourth quarter of a tight game or two with a game ending drive. If he can do that, he'll earn at least a three year extension for some good money and actually have some bids for his services in the off season.

Then we can focus on defense because we need some better defensive personnel. Scheme alone won't fix the problems we have right now. I'm pretty sure Carroll and Schneider know it.

But hell, if the resurrections of Geno Smith allows us to focus on high defensive draft picks, I'll be damn happy. But he still has a few more tests against our division and in some tight games. But for sure we can win a lot of games with Geno playing like he is now if this defense can be a whole lot better.

[RiverDog]

Pete made a really bad call with that fake punt. The risk out weighed the reward and set NO up for easy points. Then they don’t even spy Taysom. He’s got to fix this defense.

That fake punt killed us. It looked weird, like Dickson was going to do a running punt like you see sometimes in the colleges. The only thing good that I can say about that was that they did it at the right time, in the 2nd quarter.

It turns out that the fake punt wasn't a fake at all, just a horribly botched play:

Some of Pete Carroll’s opening remarks. Said the Michael Dickson play wasn’t a fake. Dickson was supposed to kick it on the run rugby-style but hesitated.

https://twitter.com/BradyHenderson/stat ... aysom-hill

This makes a lot more sense. As I said above, the play looked weird, like he was going to kick it in an unconventional way, which appears to have been the plan.

[NorthHawk]

It looked to me like there was a bit of a jail break on the punters right side so he was running into it and it probably would have been blocked.
It was a botched play all around, though.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I read that too, and that takes a little of the sting out, but the outcome still sucked.

Glad you brought up the lack of the spy. I was hollering every time Taysom came out there to run it and not once did they do it. I don’t understand why they didn’t tell on guy on defense he was the spy whenever Taysom was on the field. If he wasn’t then go back to what the scheme calls for. Maddening that they let what is still a college quarterback run all over them. Was like when Miami went wild cat and ran rough shod over New England way back when. Probably the biggest failing of the coaching staff was not adjusting for it.

[RiverDog]

I don't know what we had to gain by punting in an unconventional manner like that. Dickson is one of the best punters in the league, and we haven't had trouble with retuned punts this season. The good news is that I seriously doubt that we'll try it again, and that the play will be stored away in File #13.

[Agent 86]

I don't know what we had to gain by punting in an unconventional manner like that. Dickson is one of the best punters in the league, and we haven't had trouble with retuned punts this season. The good news is that I seriously doubt that we'll try it again, and that the play will be stored away in File #13.

The other thing is if he had of gotten the punt off, several linemen were already past the line of scrimmage which is illegal so there would have been a penalty on the play for that. I believe only the gunners can be past the line before the punt is actually performed.

[Hawktawk]

Our special teams has mostly been a cluster F. Dixon had punted well this year , a lot less too . But 2 muffed punts , missed fg and xp and then this .

[RiverDog]

To those of you that were whining about the officiating in our game, did any of you watch MNF last night? That roughing the passer call on the Chiefs has to be one of the worst calls I've seen since the Vinny Testaverde helmet TD.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/347 ... hris-jones

Technically, the call was correct. But there has to be some sort of flexibility written into these rules, like inserting the word 'intent', that allow for the application of common sense. How in the hell was Jones supposed to tackle Carr? The way he was positioned, it was the only way that the two were going to fall to the ground.

The other thing that needs to happen is for the booth or control center to get more involved. They don't need to make every play under the sun reviewable and slow the game down, but when they see a flag thrown that was an obvious mistake, they need to get into the crew chiefs headset and tell him to pick it up.

[NorthHawk]

At least that call had some cause for discussion about its validity, the Grady Jarrett on Brady one was completely bogus.
I get the impression that the Referees are overreacting to the Tua situation and are far quicker to call a penalty when none should exist.
So how is a defender to tackle a QB? They can't hit him high, they can't hit him low, they can't land on him, and now they can't wrestle him to the ground?
The next step will be flags on the QB.

[Agent 86]

At least that call had some cause for discussion about its validity, the Grady Jarrett on Brady one was completely bogus.
I get the impression that the Referees are overreacting to the Tua situation and are far quicker to call a penalty when none should exist.
So how is a defender to tackle a QB? They can't hit him high, they can't hit him low, they can't land on him, and now they can't wrestle him to the ground?
The next step will be flags on the QB.

If I was that Atlanta coach, I would have seriously considered taking my team off the field and leaving after that BS call. It's insane the ref even had it in his mind that was a penalty.

The one last night was bad as well but as you said North, it could at least be argued a bit due to the letter of the law and how the rule is to be enforced (can't have full body weight come down on QB, and that part is what is debatable for last night).

It's embarrassing. If I wasn't in so many fantasy football pools and Pick Em pools, I wouldn't be watching this garbage officiating anymore. It's NFL football, there is supposed to be contact.

Did anyone else notice the first 2 sacks of last night's game, the QB at the end of the play was actually standing up? No doubt players saw the call against Grady Jarret and had been warned. If they are going to protect the QB's this much, then it has to be a 2 way street. If a defender gets a grasp on any part of the QB, blow it dead and call "in the grasp". QB's can't have it both ways and be able to escape a grab because defenders are too scared to throw them down and then they make a play. If this is the way the NFL wants to protect QB's, give some power back to pass rushers by calling "in the grasp" the same way. That will really drive fans nuts of QB's who are able to escape pressure.

[RiverDog]

To be honest, I haven't seen the roughing call on the Falcons vs. Brady. All I can speak to is the roughing call last night, and it was complete horsechit. Andy Reid said he wasn't going to get baited into answering questions about it because he didn't want to get fined.

The Tua situation wasn't the fault of the refs on the field, so I have a hard time believing that the officiating is being influenced by it.

I don't like the idea of reviewing penalties as we have enough game stoppages as it is, but they need some sort of appeal process or independent review.

[Agent 86]

To be honest, I haven't seen the roughing call on the Falcons vs. Brady. All I can speak to is the roughing call last night, and it was complete horsechit. Andy Reid said he wasn't going to get baited into answering questions about it because he didn't want to get fined.

The Tua situation wasn't the fault of the refs on the field, so I have a hard time believing that the officiating is being influenced by it.

I don't like the idea of reviewing penalties as we have enough game stoppages as it is, but they need some sort of appeal process or independent review.

Check it out Riv.....that play would have forced a 4th down punt situation and Falcons get the ball back down by 6. Instead the Bucs got the automatic 1st down and ran out the clock.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34775025/falcons-grady-jarrett-disbelief-flagged-brady-hit