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[RiverDog]

Regardless of record, the Seahawks are in MUCH healthier trajectory and situation in every way. It is depressing being a Denver fan right now. I’m enjoying this season so much more than last year.

In every way? Not defensively. The Broncos have the 4th best points defense in the league. We're the 2nd worst, in both points allowed and yards surrendered. They've kept 4 of their 5 opponents to 17 or fewer points. Last night, the Broncos kept the Colts out of the end zone for 5 quarters, and even without their best pass rusher, registered 6 sacks and held them to 2/15 on third down. Even with an offense/quarterback that is playing as poorly as they are, that defense will keep them in games. Our defense is the polar opposite. Besides, I wasn't comparing our situation to that of the Broncos. I was simply pointing out that by winning 2 games by a total of 4 points that we could be considered lucky not to be a winless team, too.

But I do agree that overall, we're trending in a better trajectory than the Broncos. That much is obvious, as the Broncos have lost their last two games, both at home, and at 2-3, have a worse record.

The threads not about defense . We are 2-2 with a washed up garbage backup and Denver is paying 50
Million a year for this ? Lmao . It’s like a train wreck . You have to watch . Russ lived a charmed life winning many games with a fraction of the performance Geno had vs Atlanta . He made a zillion dynamic plays to help win many of the games but he was in a system with a coach that played to his strengths . When he bit the hand that fed him it looks like his charmed luck has come to an end . I’m not sorry to be 100% correct about the Russ Pete Geno thing .

Since when did you start caring about posters going off topic?

I was responding to a comment from another poster that claimed that we were trending on a better trajectory "in every way", which is clearly false and deserved to be called out as there is no indication at this point that our defense is on a better trajectory than the Broncos. If anything, our defense is getting worse, not better. Our defense held the Broncos to 16 points in the opener, followed by the Niners and Falcons both scoring 27 and most recently, the Lions coming within 5 points of putting up a 50 burger on us.

[Hawktawk]

We may indeed be trending the other way on defense despite this last game . We had 2 takeaways and 7 points lost in the mayhem of yards and points . These guys will improve. And there’s enough talent to be respectable on D. With a30 ppg offense they don’t need to be great , just not terrible .

[NorthHawk]

I don't think we are trending any better, but we are starting from a better base than Denver if that's the comparison.
As said, the Defense is a disaster so far but the whole league is playing bad football. This allows teams to at least start the year strong when it's not expected.
Who would have thought the Giants or Jaguars would have played as well as they have? And who would have thought the Raiders and Chargers would have played as
poorly as they have?
It's a weird year so far.

[RiverDog]

I don't think we are trending any better, but we are starting from a better base than Denver if that's the comparison.
As said, the Defense is a disaster so far but the whole league is playing bad football. This allows teams to at least start the year strong when it's not expected.
Who would have thought the Giants or Jaguars would have played as well as they have? And who would have thought the Raiders and Chargers would have played as
poorly as they have?
It's a weird year so far.

Agreed about Denver vs. us.

You're right, this is a weird year so far. You can toss in the Jets into the mix of teams that have surprised to this point. It's why I was saying that it's going to take a week or two more than it usually does to get a handle on the favorites. However, I still like the Bills and Chiefs in the AFC and the Niners, Bucs, and Packers in the NFC.

[Hawktawk]

I like the Hawks . 10-7 WC and playing their best at years end . Wtf let’s shoot the moon , shock the world . It’s wide open . Nobody is dominating.

[RiverDog]

I like the Hawks . 10-7 WC and playing their best at years end . Wtf let’s shoot the moon , shock the world . It’s wide open . Nobody is dominating.

If you're going to shoot for the moon, then why stop at 10-7? Why not 15-2, HFA, and the Lombardi with Penny getting the rushing title and Geno league and SB MVP?

[I-5]

I obviously misspoke about trending better in 'every way' considering our defense is a dumspster fire....I meant the offense. We have an improved O line with what looks to be a pair of cornerstone tackles, which is like winning the lottery, talent at WR1 and WR2, an OC who knows how to use 3 TE sets, a non elite but very serviceable quarterback (I don't care if he's a QB1 or QB2, just that he knows how to run an offense and he is operating ours), a good RB who is still proving himself, a highly regarded RB2 who has shown flashes of what he can do given his amount of carries. We dont have an elite QB anymore who would rescue games at the end, but I'll take what we have so far, which is a highly accurate passer and the 2nd highest third down conversion rate. We're set up to hopefully have another good draft, and it looks like we may have potentially 2 top ten picks if both Denver and Seattle finish with mediocre records.

[NorthHawk]

The OT's are a real good surprise, but I have to wonder if we are really doing that well on Offense or are other teams not in sync yet?
The obvious exceptions being Buffalo, Philadelphia, and KC who seem to be close to firing on all cylinders. We still have a problem inside
the 20 yard line, and have done well against struggling Defenses, so we'll see how it all settles down in time.

[RiverDog]

I obviously misspoke about trending better in 'every way' considering our defense is a dumspster fire....I meant the offense. We have an improved O line with what looks to be a pair of cornerstone tackles, which is like winning the lottery, talent at WR1 and WR2, an OC who knows how to use 3 TE sets, a non elite but very serviceable quarterback (I don't care if he's a QB1 or QB2, just that he knows how to run an offense and he is operating ours), a good RB who is still proving himself, a highly regarded RB2 who has shown flashes of what he can do given his amount of carries. We dont have an elite QB anymore who would rescue games at the end, but I'll take what we have so far, which is a highly accurate passer and the 2nd highest third down conversion rate. We're set up to hopefully have another good draft, and it looks like we may have potentially 2 top ten picks if both Denver and Seattle finish with mediocre records.

Kudos for fessing up regarding your "trending better in every way" comment. Take that out and I mostly agree with your take.

However, unless and until we get this defense fixed, we're not going anywhere with a unit ranked #31 in both scoring and yards allowed no matter how good our offense is, and we're 3-4 players away from that happening.

[I-5]

However, unless and until we get this defense fixed, we're not going anywhere with a unit ranked #31 in both scoring and yards allowed no matter how good our offense is, and we're 3-4 players away from that happening.

Once more, I don't mean the defense or our overall record in this thread. I'm only talking about our offense. We'll probably still have a top 10 pick based on our own record. I'm fine with maintaining those expecations. I think our offense with Waldron and the pieces we have is a good foundation for future succes

[Hawktawk]

Not sure we don’t have a qb who can win in the end . I’m not even sure WTF “ elite” means . We didn’t punt last week .
We’re running out a better performing qb by a mile in a consistent chain moving offense . We have 1 3 and out in our last 8 quarters .with a defense we are 3-1 easily . It’s not 2013 anymore or even 2020. If one were a fly on the wall in Hacketts office he would say Denver got the wrong Seattle QB. Speaking of whom it took KJ Hamler exactjy 5 games to throw Russ under the bus . “ if he had thrown it to me I could have walked in “ ruh roh.

Hamler averaged 4.1 targets per game last year with bridgewater and lock and has 4 total targets this year . The team is worse than last year . They are 5-0 with Geno IMO. We swindled Denver .

[I-5]

Sorry for the digression, but is there any chance if this debacle continues for Russell, that his HOF prospects are going to be affected? I've always considered him a first ballot. Unfortunately for him, with his shoulder problems, and more concerning, his inability to make good decisions or make accurate throws, I don't know if he can just flip a switch while still learning this new system, new coaches, and new players. The pressure on him is immense. It might be unfair to expect so much out of him, but he kind of brought it on himself, mentioning winning multiple superbowls at Denver and wanting to be the best in the world. You don't hear many QB's talk that way, at least not since Joe Namath.

[RiverDog]

Sorry for the digression, but is there any chance if this debacle continues for Russell, that his HOF prospects are going to be affected? I've always considered him a first ballot. Unfortunately for him, with his shoulder problems, and more concerning, his inability to make good decisions or make accurate throws, I don't know if he can just flip a switch while still learning this new system, new coaches, and new players. The pressure on him is immense. It might be unfair to expect so much out of him, but he kind of brought it on himself, mentioning winning multiple superbowls at Denver and wanting to be the best in the world. You don't hear many QB's talk that way, at least not since Joe Namath.

I've always thought that Russell was/is borderline, not first ballot, that he needed either a league MVP or SB MVP before he could be considered a shoe-in. Unlike other QB's that have put on gold jackets, his career numbers aren't impressive enough for him to be considered first ballot. I look at all the HOF QB's and I just don't see Russell fitting in with his resume. Take a look at his peer's numbers/awards, ie Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Worthlessburger, and it just doesn't measure up. Russell has never received even a single vote for MVP, so I can't see how he'd get in on the first ballot. IMO that's one of the reasons why he wanted out of Seattle, that he couldn't see either winning a league MVP or going to another SB with Pete Carroll.

So, the answer to your question is yes. If Russell does a face plant in Denver, it absolutely will hurt his HOF chances.

[Hawktawk]

Sorry for the digression, but is there any chance if this debacle continues for Russell, that his HOF prospects are going to be affected? I've always considered him a first ballot. Unfortunately for him, with his shoulder problems, and more concerning, his inability to make good decisions or make accurate throws, I don't know if he can just flip a switch while still learning this new system, new coaches, and new players. The pressure on him is immense. It might be unfair to expect so much out of him, but he kind of brought it on himself, mentioning winning multiple superbowls at Denver and wanting to be the best in the world. You don't hear many QB's talk that way, at least not since Joe Namath.

I said at the time this was the biggest mistake of his career forcing his way out and then throwing shade at the place and people who helped him get to the top of the world in year 2. I thought he was fading some but we are seeing Russell with none of the guardrails and checks of Pete Carroll. There’s some guys you let call what they want , run what they want . Peyton Manning , Tom Brady . Russ isn’t those guys. I have a great deal of respect for what Russel accomplished personally and as a member of the greatest team ever to wear the rag . I saw him as sure fire HOF guy a few years ago but under the assumption he would be a career Seahawk and play at a high level for 12 years or so . When the hit too much happened I knew he wouldn’t finish his career here but still the way it went down was shocking and the post departure ugliness has been revealing . At this point with the utter DEBACLE this has become juxtaposed with a garbage suck ass 10 year bust setting records for his old coach ? Yeah . He’s hurting himself badly for HOF . Exposed . I was stunned the Waltons paid all that money without kicking the tires , even before a TC I read a report he had looked underwhelming. I take no joy in saying he’s hurting his hall of fame chances but he’s killing them. If guys like Kyle Brandt will say what he’s saying even while the guys still active I don’t like Russels chances. He needs a couple playoff teams at least in Denver now or he will never get in.

[Hawktawk]

It’s weird . My wife and I are on the Oregon coast for our 30th. We drove to
Pelican brewery in pacific city . I was sitting having a beer ( tsunami stout )and I looked up at the TV . I realized I had been sitting there on that exact stool 10 years earlier watching the second half of the rookie Russel Wilson battling the patriots . I was texting back and forth with buddies defending him as they mocked him and called for Flynn . Then the bomb to Rice, the stop on NE, then “ you mad bro ?”. Et coming off the field “ if they didn’t believe in him before they do now “

I sat and swilled the beer , 2 actually and remembered a much happier time in Hawks history .