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by **obiken** » Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:23 am

Sorry this is early, but its time just to man up and say I was wrong and HT was right. The Oline is solved, Penny looks a lot better, and no matter IF we go with Strong or stay with Geno, this is a lot better offensive team than I thought. Our defense is what I thought it was, warmed over mutt food, but with 2 1st, 2nd's and 3 3rds we have a chance to really improve. I would have sworn he was delusional, he is not.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:28 pm

obiken wrote:Sorry this is early, but its time just to man up and say I was wrong and HT was right. The Oline is solved, Penny looks a lot better, and no matter IF we go with Strong or stay with Geno, this is a lot better offensive team than I thought. Our defense is what I thought it was, warmed over mutt food, but with 2 1st, 2nd's and 3 3rds we have a chance to really improve. I would have sworn he was delusional, he is not.

I gotta know who strong is Obi. Other than that I’ve been right on the money on a few things . I said if Genos 2021 Geno we can win 10 if everyone else does their job . I said if Penny is healthy he’s going to be a top back . I said Russ appeared to be slipping a bit and would regret signing off on the trade . Don’t know about that yet . But Geno is outplaying him along with outplaying most in the league . Rex Ryan said this morning he’s playing better then all but a very few .
Where I was way off is the defense . Hurrt sold me along with the young haul of draft picks and returning vets . I think as much as most hate the Adams trade his injury devastated the defense , wrecked the scheme . But even Sunday as bad as the D was it scored 7 and set up another score as we did not punt all day one time .

Yeah bad team? Meh

Obi thanks for manning up
. It’s 4 games .15-2 is still possible as is 2-15. But I’ve always felt we had potential beyond the predictions of most . Like Knox said” potential will get you beat “ but I’ve not given up on this years team .

by **Old but Slow** » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:35 pm

As a doubter, I have to give props to HT about Geno especially. He has been a good leader and taking care of the ball. Pretty decent arm, as well. I have to disagree somewhat with Obi about the offensive line being "solved". Perhaps true at the tackle spots, but the interior line is not good. Jackson is probably the best of them, and he is over the hill or near it. Lewis might be decent back at RG where he played better, and Blythe is grading out somewhere below zero (pure guesswork). Blythe, to me, is the biggest disappointment to me. After a recent history of using guards as center, we finally brought in a veteran who is a true center, and he is not good. No wonder they brought Joey Hunt in for a look.

by **trents** » Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:30 pm

Geno seems to be improving with playing time. Yes, he's got a good enough arm, is pretty accurate and most importantly, seems to generally make good decisions. He's got reasonably good wheels and can pick up yards when his receivers are covered and there is room up the middle. He's not great at any one thing but good in a lot of areas and seldom makes mistakes. My opinion of him has risen but let's not forget who the competition was this past Sunday. I've come to the conclusion that Pete made the right decision in handing the reins over to Geno instead of Lock.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:20 am

Before we break out the anointing oil, I'd like to remind everyone that we have played less than 1/4 of the season. No one is right or wrong at this juncture. And I would also like to remind everyone that Hawktawk's prediction was for a minimum of 10 wins, and at 2-2, we are currently below that pace. A lot is going to have to happen that hasn't in these first 4 games before this team can come anywhere near 10 wins.

Having said that, Geno has been a pleasant surprise to this point of the season. He has shown good accuracy, has protected the ball, and for the most part, shown good decision making. It's everything that is required of Pete Ball. But our running game has been hit or miss...mostly miss until this weekend, as has been our red zone efficiency has sucked, and our defense is on pace to be Pete's worst product ever, college or pros.

So we'll see how it goes. I have no problem tipping my hat to our friend Hawktawk once he's earned it.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:01 am

Well he did get it right for at least this game, which is why I tipped my hat so in another thread. But I agree in needing a bigger sample size overall.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:52 am

He's been playing better than I expected between the 20's but last game was against a horrible Defense so scoring 41 shouldn't be a surprise.
We should know a lot more after the next few games, though and we have a tough stretch of teams after the bye week.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:51 am

NorthHawk wrote:He's been playing better than I expected between the 20's but last game was against a horrible Defense so scoring 41 shouldn't be a surprise.
We should know a lot more after the next few games, though and we have a tough stretch of teams after the bye week.

3 other teams got to play Detroit . I really want to focus on the positive but really ? Good between the 20s? This guy sucks !remember ? He’s Hawktawks pipe dream . Can’t even get anyone to admit he plays like a starter .
He is in the top 10 minimum in every statistical analysis including 6th in YARDS PER ATTEMPT so maybe time to stop sounding foolish saying his league best by 5% 77.5 % completion % is because he just dinks and dunks . You’re wrong about Genos skills physically and mentality , his poise , absolute command of the huddle and the team at the los, audibles to both Penny TD runs , one on 3rd and 18. 2 guys I was right on but at this point Geno has exceeded even my expectations .

Like Wyman said “ we do have a track record “ he’s got 7 starts now “ over a 100 passer rating , 11 TD passes , 2 rush TDs , 3 picks including one in relief vs the rams . He’s been over 70% completion in all but 1 of 7 starts .
Everyone knows the one issue is we haven’t won more then lost . I heard Wyman allude to comments Pete had made about Geno . While praising his performance he added words to the effect “ he’s had a chance to be the hero in other games “
And so good for Pete the wishy washy mealy mouth happy talker . The message is clear . Lead the team to wins. If he can’t he’s a more accurate Kirk cousins . At least he’s 3.5 million , not 30.

Geno is far better then any of you thought he could ever be and if he gets us to the postseason he should have won the super bowl or he still sucks .
You people crack me up
GO HAWKS!

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:17 am

He's good enough on a team that's not going anywhere.
He wouldn't be good enough on a good team trying to make a challenge for a championship.
Even the coach doesn't fully believe in him.
The clock will strike midnight for Geno at some point this season.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:30 am

NorthHawk wrote:He's good enough on a team that's not going anywhere.
He wouldn't be good enough on a good team trying to make a challenge for a championship.
Even the coach doesn't fully believe in him.
The clock will strike midnight for Geno at some point this season.

He would be 4-0 on some teams . You are a hater period rooting for his failure .

by **RiverDog** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:47 am

Hawktawk wrote:3 other teams got to play Detroit . I really want to focus on the positive but really ? Good between the 20s? This guy sucks !remember ? He’s Hawktawks pipe dream . Can’t even get anyone to admit he plays like a starter .
He is in the top 10 minimum in every statistical analysis including 6th in YARDS PER ATTEMPT so maybe time to stop sounding foolish saying his league best by 5% 77.5 % completion % is because he just dinks and dunks . You’re wrong about Genos skills physically and mentality , his poise , absolute command of the huddle and the team at the los, audibles to both Penny TD runs , one on 3rd and 18. 2 guys I was right on but at this point Geno has exceeded even my expectations .

Like Wyman said “ we do have a track record “ he’s got 7 starts now “ over a 100 passer rating , 11 TD passes , 2 rush TDs , 3 picks including one in relief vs the rams . He’s been over 70% completion in all but 1 of 7 starts .
Everyone knows the one issue is we haven’t won more then lost . I heard Wyman allude to comments Pete had made about Geno . While praising his performance he added words to the effect “ he’s had a chance to be the hero in other games “
And so good for Pete the wishy washy mealy mouth happy talker . The message is clear . Lead the team to wins. If he can’t he’s a more accurate Kirk cousins . At least he’s 3.5 million , not 30.

Geno is far better then any of you thought he could ever be and if he gets us to the postseason he should have won the super bowl or he still sucks .
You people crack me up
GO HAWKS!

Now you're exaggerating again. No poster in here ever said that Geno sucks. The worst that anyone said about him is that he isn't a starting quality quarterback, that he's an average backup, that we're a 33% win team with him, and so on. And the great between the 20's wasn't some junk that we were throwing around. It was a fact.

We'll see how he does as the season wears on, as defenses start getting some film on him, get familiar with his tendencies, and start game planning against him. That's one of the things that caused Russell's performance to wane. Defenses got wise to him. And keep in mind that we're still just a 2-2 team. Come back and talk to us when we rack up 10 wins like you predicted.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:59 am

RiverDog wrote:[Now you're exaggerating again. No poster in here ever said that Geno sucks. The worst that anyone said about him is that he isn't a starting quality quarterback, that he's an average backup, that we're a 33% win team with him, and so on. And the great between the 20's wasn't some junk that we were throwing around. It was a fact.

We'll see how he does as the season wears on, as defenses start getting some film on him, get familiar with his tendencies, and start game planning against him. That's one of the things that caused Russell's performance to wane. Defenses got wise to him. And keep in mind that we're still just a 2-2 team. Come back and talk to us when we rack up 10 wins like you predicted.

I said he sucked. I don't like him as my starting QB. I still don't like him as my starting QB. I don't think he can win big games. I think he is running a very short yardage offense very well against very weak teams. I think fans are getting over-hyped on Geno again with a small sample size where he is playing as well as he is and we're still 2 and 2. I think quality teams will clown us with Geno at QB. I don't think he cans step up to beat Mahomes or Herbert or Allen. I believe over time that will be born out. If Geno starts leading us to beating high quality teams in the fourth quarter in tight games, then I'll change my tune.

Right now he looks like Nick Foles when he had that one anomaly year in 2013. Let's just say I ain't buying it.

And as far as Russell doing badly, good for us. I need Russell to do badly this year. And Denver as a team. I want a nice top five pick from them.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:33 pm

RiverDog wrote:[Now you're exaggerating again. No poster in here ever said that Geno sucks. The worst that anyone said about him is that he isn't a starting quality quarterback, that he's an average backup, that we're a 33% win team with him, and so on. And the great between the 20's wasn't some junk that we were throwing around. It was a fact.

We'll see how he does as the season wears on, as defenses start getting some film on him, get familiar with his tendencies, and start game planning against him. That's one of the things that caused Russell's performance to wane. Defenses got wise to him. And keep in mind that we're still just a 2-2 team. Come back and talk to us when we rack up 10 wins like you predicted.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I said he sucked. I don't like him as my starting QB. I still don't like him as my starting QB. I don't think he can win big games. I think he is running a very short yardage offense very well against very weak teams. I think fans are getting over-hyped on Geno again with a small sample size where he is playing as well as he is and we're still 2 and 2. I think quality teams will clown us with Geno at QB. I don't think he cans step up to beat Mahomes or Herbert or Allen. I believe overtime that will be born out. If Geno starts leading us to beating high quality teams in the fourth quarter in tight games, then I'll change my tune.

Right now he looks like Nick Foles when he had that one anomaly year in 2013. Let's just say I ain't buying it.

And as far as Russell doing badly, good for us. I need Russell to do badly this year. And Denver as a team. I want a nice top five pick from them.

OK, thanks ASF. Hawktawk, I owe you an apology, at least for what I said in my first paragraph. But I stand by what I said in the 2nd.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:11 pm

Asea said a lot of stuff . I don’t care but he did , a lot worse than Geno sucked . He’s got a loud mouth .

Anyone who can’t appreciate the work Geno has put in and the job he’s doing is in sad shape as a Seahawks fan and pretty lonely now with their myopic view . I am extatic Geno is currently a top rated qb playing better than almost anyone . We have scored 65 points in our last 2 games despite no defense which among other things LIMITS POSESSIONS. We had 8 vs Atlanta and 9 actual posessions vs Detroit and should have scored 44 on offense but meyers missed a 39 yarder . But that’s almost 5 points per posession , as elite efficient offensive production as anyone . It’s really unheard of and you compare his play to 50 million who really sucks at 61% completion it’s clear Pete and john remain masters at evaluation of quarterback . I hope Geno gets to the postseason , signs a couple year deal and really pisses off these horrible fans that can’t even accept what their eyes are seeing .

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:55 pm

RiverDog wrote:[Now you're exaggerating again. No poster in here ever said that Geno sucks. The worst that anyone said about him is that he isn't a starting quality quarterback, that he's an average backup, that we're a 33% win team with him, and so on. And the great between the 20's wasn't some junk that we were throwing around. It was a fact.

We'll see how he does as the season wears on, as defenses start getting some film on him, get familiar with his tendencies, and start game planning against him. That's one of the things that caused Russell's performance to wane. Defenses got wise to him. And keep in mind that we're still just a 2-2 team. Come back and talk to us when we rack up 10 wins like you predicted.

Aseahawkfan wrote:I said he sucked. I don't like him as my starting QB. I still don't like him as my starting QB. I don't think he can win big games. I think he is running a very short yardage offense very well against very weak teams. I think fans are getting over-hyped on Geno again with a small sample size where he is playing as well as he is and we're still 2 and 2. I think quality teams will clown us with Geno at QB. I don't think he cans step up to beat Mahomes or Herbert or Allen. I believe overtime that will be born out. If Geno starts leading us to beating high quality teams in the fourth quarter in tight games, then I'll change my tune.

Right now he looks like Nick Foles when he had that one anomaly year in 2013.

OK, thanks ASF. Hawktawk, I owe you an apology, at least for what I said in my first paragraph. But I stand by what I said in the 2nd.

Hey Asea Foles was super bowl MVP over Brady long after 2013. If Geno can have Foles ceiling I’m all over that . Matter of fact he outplayed Wilson with the bears last year despite our defense beating the crap out of him . Foles is Geno and it’s not a bad thing because I believe in Foles . I think quarterbacks get thrown away and written off too soon . And as for the short low risk offense he’s thrown for over 300 yards back to back and has the SIXTH Highest yards per attempt but also the best completion % by 5 points in the league . Rushed for 50 yesterday . What’s the use with you ?
And Rd the thread by obi is giving me props about 3 things . O line, Geno and Penny . So far I’m dead wrong about the defense . My 10 wins is not knowable and as I said to Obi 15-2 and 2-15 are both possible . But I think we can score 30 a game on most and if we clean up the defense at all we can get there . If we don’t I won’t be making excuses and denying reality like some in this snapshot of a quarter season . And if you think Geno is completing almost 80 % and moving on everyone ( 1 3 and out in 2 games ) because teams don’t have film on him ? Lol he’s just beating teams with perfect throws and above average wheels and a way better grasp of the game then I dreamed . We have 7 starts . He’s who he is now . A top ten Qb .

by **RiverDog** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:18 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Hey Asea Foles was super bowl MVP over Brady long after 2013. If Geno can have Foles ceiling I’m all over that . Matter of fact he outplayed Wilson with the bears last year despite our defense beating the crap out of him . Foles is Geno and it’s not a bad thing because I believe in Foles . I think quarterbacks get thrown away and written off too soon . And as for the short low risk offense he’s thrown for over 300 yards back to back and has the SIXTH Highest yards per attempt but also the best completion % by 5 points in the league . Rushed for 50 yesterday . What’s the use with you ?
And Rd the thread by obi is giving me props about 3 things . O line, Geno and Penny . So far I’m dead wrong about the defense . My 10 wins is not knowable and as I said to Obi 15-2 and 2-15 are both possible . But I think we can score 30 a game on most and if we clean up the defense at all we can get there . If we don’t I won’t be making excuses and denying reality like some in this snapshot of a quarter season . And if you think Geno is completing almost 80 % and moving on everyone ( 1 3 and out in 2 games ) because teams don’t have film on him ? Lol he’s just beating teams with perfect throws and above average wheels and a way better grasp of the game then I dreamed . We have 7 starts . He’s who he is now . A top ten Qb .

More so than Geno, the quarterback that reminds me the most of Nick Foles is Jimmy G. In addition to Earl Morrall, a QB most posters never heard of, Foles is the high water mark for a backup quarterbacks' performance that stepped in for an injured starter. Although the circumstances are a little different as Foles came in late in the season and after Carson Wentz was performing at an MVP level, the Niners were/are thought of as SB competitors and lost their starter.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:34 pm

I think of a guy like Hostetler in that situation . I was just saying about Aseas comparison hell if Geno winds up backing someone up and winning a Lombardi hell yeah . He’s sitting on an NFL record 77.5% completion over first 4 games . Let’s see. The saints shut him down pretty good last year so it’s a good test .

by **MackStrongIsMyHero** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:43 am

I fully support Geno, but still 13 games left in the season and some tough ones at that. Hard to say he has arrived when career as a starter prior to the Seahawks has him as average at best. Granted, he’s older now, spend a lot of time in QB rooms, so maybe his game has legitimately elevated, but we don’t know that for certain yet.

This weekend should be one of those tough ones. Our defense is bad enough to make NOLA’s offense look good, and their defense is a lot better than the Lions. It’s not all on Geno, but he and the offense look like they are going to have to carry the team. Finger crossed the defense can do just enough.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:34 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:I fully support Geno, but still 13 games left in the season and some tough ones at that. Hard to say he has arrived when career as a starter prior to the Seahawks has him as average at best. Granted, he’s older now, spend a lot of time in QB rooms, so maybe his game has legitimately elevated, but we don’t know that for certain yet.

This weekend should be one of those tough ones. Our defense is bad enough to make NOLA’s offense look good, and their defense is a lot better than the Lions. It’s not all on Geno, but he and the offense look like they are going to have to carry the team. Finger crossed the defense can do just enough.

The thing I always hear is he was mediocre before coming here . He was bad . In his limited starts he was under 500 and underwater on int to TDs. As a rookie he threw 7 TD passes and 14 picks although somehow he led the league with 3 GWD as a rookie too . He once threw 4 picks in something like 8 passes before being yanked . Fast forward 5 years he’s a top 10 Qb in every category . As Wyman said looks like he’s been starting 10 years . It is one of the mist fascinating feel good stories in my 45 years as a hawks fan.
But Mack I get what happens to feel good stories sometimes . We might take lumps Sunday . I just have a suspicion Geno getting to see these guys about a year ago , DK sparring with Lattimore losing his cool , we will be more poised on offense. I think they are better with Dalton then Winston but he’s not putting up
Geno Smith #s :lol:

This I know . We could run off 4 or 5 in a row and the guy could have the bad game everyone does and these forum dwellers would say “ see I told you so “!

by **I-5** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:05 am

Though I didn't sing his praises as much as HT, I've been a believer in Geno since he took over from Russ last year. I was more than pi$$ed when Russ forced his way back into the disastrous game at Green Bay. Geno had been steadily improving and just had a great all around game vs Jacksonville, which of course everyone discounted. I never once thought Lock deserved to start over him.

Obviously, New Orleans is a lot better than Detroit, and we won't score 48, but I'm confident we'll be able to move the ball and score....it will be up to the D if we have a chance.

Props to HT

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:31 am

I-5 wrote:Though I didn't sing his praises as much as HT, I've been a believer in Geno since he took over from Russ last year. I was more than pi$$ed when Russ forced his way back into the disastrous game at Green Bay. Geno had been steadily improving and just had a great all around game vs Jacksonville, which of course everyone discounted. I never once thought Lock deserved to start over him.

Obviously, New Orleans is a lot better than Detroit, and we won't score 48, but I'm confident we'll be able to move the ball and score....it will be up to the D if we have a chance.

Props to HT

Thank you I5. Yeah I don’t play bad team good team when we blow someone out like we did Jacksonville last year . Don’t get me started on the selfish narcissistic decision Russ forced on Carrol and the entire team pushing his way back on the field . I wasn’t willing to say Geno was a better option than a healthy Russ last year but a guy who can’t grip a football ? Ridiculous . This year ? Genos better . A lot better . He’s a legit top ten starter , top 5 in most metrics , 3 in passer rating , nfl record completion %. Now he’s starting to get his wheels involved . So far better then his biggest fan since the 98 yards vs the rams would have dreamed . Player of the week lmao

by **I-5** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:32 pm

RiverDog wrote:Before we break out the anointing oil, I'd like to remind everyone that we have played less than 1/4 of the season. No one is right or wrong at this juncture. And I would also like to remind everyone that Hawktawk's prediction was for a minimum of 10 wins, and at 2-2, we are currently below that pace. A lot is going to have to happen that hasn't in these first 4 games before this team can come anywhere near 10 wins.

Having said that, Geno has been a pleasant surprise to this point of the season. He has shown good accuracy, has protected the ball, and for the most part, shown good decision making. It's everything that is required of Pete Ball. But our running game has been hit or miss...mostly miss until this weekend, as has been our red zone efficiency has sucked, and our defense is on pace to be Pete's worst product ever, college or pros.

So we'll see how it goes. I have no problem tipping my hat to our friend Hawktawk once he's earned it.

When is the right time to 'break out the anointing oil'...when we win the SB or Geno is named to the pro bowl? NFC Offensive Player of the Week isn't a bad start.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:49 pm

I-5 wrote:When is the right time to 'break out the anointing oil'...when we win the SB or Geno is named to the pro bowl? NFC Offensive Player of the Week isn't a bad start.

When we win a Super Bowl is when I would break out the anointing oil.

The main reason Pete is my favorite coach is he won a Super Bowl and built the best defense in Seahawks history. The reason Russell is my favorite Seahawks QB is he won a Super Bowl. The reason I love that 2013 team the best is they won it all and in spectacular fashion.

You want to be anointed, win it all. Bring home the trophy.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:04 pm

RiverDog wrote:Before we break out the anointing oil, I'd like to remind everyone that we have played less than 1/4 of the season. No one is right or wrong at this juncture. And I would also like to remind everyone that Hawktawk's prediction was for a minimum of 10 wins, and at 2-2, we are currently below that pace. A lot is going to have to happen that hasn't in these first 4 games before this team can come anywhere near 10 wins.

Having said that, Geno has been a pleasant surprise to this point of the season. He has shown good accuracy, has protected the ball, and for the most part, shown good decision making. It's everything that is required of Pete Ball. But our running game has been hit or miss...mostly miss until this weekend, as has been our red zone efficiency has sucked, and our defense is on pace to be Pete's worst product ever, college or pros.

So we'll see how it goes. I have no problem tipping my hat to our friend Hawktawk once he's earned it.

I-5 wrote:When is the right time to 'break out the anointing oil'...when we win the SB or Geno is named to the pro bowl? NFC Offensive Player of the Week isn't a bad start.

I don't care if Geno started out the season by winning 4 straight Player of the Week awards. You don't break out the anointing oil when we're not even a quarter of the way through the season.

But you're right, he is off to a fantastic start.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:29 pm

It’s a snapshot but when Geno freakin smith is POTW it’s a great start for sure .

As I’ve said we have 7 starts , not 4 .in only one was he below 70% completion. He appears to have built on that performance this year . He has 17 completions of over 15 yards , tied for the league lead. He’s 22-30 vs man coverage for just under 300 yards with 4 TD passes and no turnovers . This is leading the league as well . It’s early but it’s undeniable the man is out of his mind . I think I’ve seen enough to say he’s a competent NFL starter with great decision making and accuracy . I’m more worried about him falling off the wagon then reverting to NY Geno . That guy is dead .

by **MackStrongIsMyHero** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:25 pm

You’ve got these 7 against his previous 40, 30 of which he started. He’s trending the right direction, but I don’t blame anyone for not being convinced yet. Putting in a full season of consistently solid play isn’t too much to ask. I’ll have zero problem tipping my cap to him when he does.

by **I-5** » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:27 pm

I don't know if anyone else agrees, but Geno pre-Seahawks seems to be a very different player, not in terms of ability but mental process. Pete seems to have instilled in him the importance of taking care of the ball first and foremost - sometimes negatively, but lately positively. It's why he didn't have big numbers in preseason (along with low snap counts). But one thing that has been consistent since he arrived in Seatte is that when he does play, he is very accurate. I think we're also beginning to see the fruits of Waldron's imprint on the offense. This Sunday will be a good test, and for sure they will struggle a lot more than last week. Let's see how they deal with adversity against a quality defense on the road.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:41 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:You’ve got these 7 against his previous 40, 30 of which he started. He’s trending the right direction, but I don’t blame anyone for not being convinced yet. Putting in a full season of consistently solid play isn’t too much to ask. I’ll have zero problem tipping my cap to him when he does.

I’m saying Mack there is such a chasm between New York Geno and here something or things have changed dramatically . He had a completion % of 59, 2 picks per TD, bad attitude , broken jaw by teammate , discarded in year 3. Now he’s setting NFL records ? He’s quieted the dink and dunk crowd as he’s now among league leaders in yards per attempt , yards , explosive plays etc while still leading in completion % by 5 points .
This is who he is . I knew when he went 98 on the world champs cold as a cucumber it was no fluke and a few minutes earlier I almost turned it off when I realized Geno Smith was going to be under center on the 2 , a guy I had zero respect for or faith in .

Well… I’m convinced this is who Geno smith has become in Seattle . Future is not knowable but the kind of play they are getting at the position after trading an icon I’d say hats off to them too.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:11 am

Geno is doing well enough against weak teams. San Francisco absolutely shut us down. In Atlanta Geno couldn't step up and win in the fourth quarter. These are the things that really separate franchise starters from backups or fill ins. You want a guy under center who can go toe to toe with a Frisco and step up in the fourth quarter to beat an Atlanta. This has been why I don't see Geno as the long-term answer.

When I think of a franchise NFL QB, I think of a guy that can go to battle against any team and any other QB in the league. They step up during divisional games. They can win when the game is on the line in tight games. They can destroy weak opponents like Detroit and are always keeping the team competitive against stronger teams. If I see Geno step up against some big teams, then I'll start reassess my opinion. But until then, this is just a backup QB having some good games against garbage defenses.

The Denver win was nice, but as we look back now the Denver offense is bad, real bad. As their defense and run game collapses due to injuries, Denver may start losing a lot. And that's great for us.

Even my buddy today brought up other backup QBs like Jon Kitna or John Friese who made people believe for a while they can do the job, then reality sets in as the season progresses, defenses get film on them and adjust to what you're doing, and the weaknesses show and you find out the guy isn't that great.

The quality of the opponent absolutely matters. You aren't going to be playing a team like Detroit in the playoffs or for a playoff spot. They are a terrible, non-contending team. When you square off against a real contender like San Francisco and get smoked, it let's you know what you're realistic chances of contending are.

The bottom line is Seattle including Geno need to get a whole lot better against quality teams to be a real contender. The defense especially needs to get better, like real fast, or the stronger teams are going to embarrass us.

Some fans may be high or feel satisfied beating weak opponents, but I am a big believer in steel sharpens steel. If you're only good against wooden swords like Detroit, means you might be a wooden sword as well that will break when you go against a steel sword.

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:32 am

We are actually very lucky we are 2=2 and not 0-4.
We met a woefully unprepared team in game 1 who got into the red zone 3 times and only came away with 3 points yet were just a missed FG from losing and then
in our other win met an opponent who has very little in the way of Defense and who's Offense was missing their top RB and WR. If it wasn't for our Defense picking
off and returning a pick 6, things might have been a whole lot different.

Can we continue to win with smoke and mirrors? Not in the long term, nor against solid teams but we can win a few more games here and there against other rebuilding teams.
Geno is neither the problem nor the solution. He's pretty good between the 20's where there's lots of room and has great stats, but he has some major weaknesses and doesn't
have the supporting cast in the rest of the team on both sides of the ball to be thought of as a real winner. We don't know yet if he can actually take a team and drag it down
the field to a win that every team needs in today's NFL to be considered a potential challenger for a playoff spot.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:34 am

Ahh the 9ers .

Aseahawkfan wrote:Geno is doing well enough against weak teams. San Francisco absolutely shut us down. In Atlanta Geno couldn't step up and win in the fourth quarter. These are the things that really separate franchise starters from backups or fill ins. You want a guy under center who can go toe to toe with a Frisco and step up in the fourth quarter to beat an Atlanta. This has been why I don't see Geno as the long-term answer.

When I think of a franchise NFL QB, I think of a guy that can go to battle against any team and any other QB in the league. They step up during divisional games. They can win when the game is on the line in tight games. They can destroy weak opponents like Detroit and are always keeping the team competitive against stronger teams. If I see Geno step up against some big teams, then I'll start reassess my opinion. But until then, this is just a backup QB having some good games against garbage defenses.

The Denver win was nice, but as we look back now the Denver offense is bad, real bad. As their defense and run game collapses due to injuries, Denver may start losing a lot. And that's great for us.

Even my buddy today brought up other backup QBs like Jon Kitna or John Friese who made people believe for a while they can do the job, then reality sets in as the season progresses, defenses get film on them and adjust to what you're doing, and the weaknesses show and you find out the guy isn't that great.

The quality of the opponent absolutely matters. You aren't going to be playing a team like Detroit in the playoffs or for a playoff spot. They are a terrible, non-contending team. When you square off against a real contender like San Francisco and get smoked, it let's you know what you're realistic chances of contending are.

The bottom line is Seattle including Geno need to get a whole lot better against quality teams to be a real contender. The defense especially needs to get better, like real fast, or the stronger teams are going to embarrass us.

Some fans may be high or feel satisfied beating weak opponents, but I am a big believer in steel sharpens steel. If you're only good against wooden swords like Detroit, means you might be a wooden sword as well that will break when you go against a steel sword.

We set team offensive record . It’s funny I remember you telling everyone Russ was back after his big game vs??????
DETROIT . But now they suck and Geno leading us to 550 yards and 41 points with a missed 39 yard FG was no big deal.

Then let’s talk Frisco . Yeah we were shut out but Geno had the ball taken away on the 13 on first down for a pick into triple coverage by a god damn tailback . Yeah shut out but 80% completion , 195 yards .81 passer rating . Sacked 2 times , knocked down 9 other times . That’s with a total of 36 rushing yards .

Let’s look at the world champs and Stafford vs that D. 7 sacks , pick 6, lost fumble 71 passer rating . Or your favorite midget , 8 3 and outs , escaped with 11 points because his defense made Jimmy G look far far worse then Geno did . 9ers are showing as a defensive super team but I think Shanny would take 22 Geno over the guy he tried to throw away and all the Seahawks fans were begging us to get him . Mayfield anyone ? Pete was so right on the money on this .

Atlanta ? Yeah Ok we didn’t convert a 4th and 13 after a blown block sack , a huge play by penny called back on a holding call I didn’t see . Scored 5 times on 8 posessions . What you football geniuses are missing is the fact that a defense that can’t force 3 and outs limits posessions .Atlanta was a great example . We actually won Top while having 2 less drives because Atlanta didn’t have a single negative play other than a sack and kneel downs . They had 2 extra posessions with less TOP.

Nobody says Geno is a franchise qb. Nobody probably ever will . But the fact is he’s playing better then almost all of them right now .

The numbers he’s compiled with NO defense , lousy special teams , critical protection breakdowns , it’s remarkable . It takes a team to win a lot of games but on a good team Geno 22 is more than enough . So come on D.
GO HAWKS!!!!!

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:47 am

We set an Offensive record against a Practice Squad caliber Defense. All teams are putting up big numbers against them, so it's not really that big of an accomplishment.

Frisco? Great stats but few points - great between the 20 yard lines.

Atlanta? Couldn't get it done at the end of the game.

His performance isn't remarkable. It's good, but he's gone against 2 teams with confused Defenses and another who's Defense is highly suspect. That's how he's accumulated the statistics
and it's another example of statistics leading people down the garden path.

We got 2 lucky wins and that's all that really matters.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:33 am

Denver is lucky not to be 0-4. Everyone who wins on Sunday’s gets some luck . Gets a good call or a foul is overlooked . We’ve gone 2-2 with none of that and zero defense .

The national media is all over Geno as a pretty amazing story so far but good old north we’re lucky , we suck , Geno is a lucky stiff , can’t win in the end by completing a pass on 4th and 18 while getting hit in the mouth .Jesus you must be a drag . Blah blah blah .

It’s utterly stupendous we are 2-2 with 2 of 3 phases playing terrible . It’s only because of Geno . I look forward to my hawks shutting some mouths but some will never accept they have been 100% wrong about this entire Wilson Geno thing .

by **RiverDog** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:51 am

Hawktawk wrote:Denver is lucky not to be 0-4.

So are we. We won our two games by a grand total of 4 points.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:06 pm

Everyone is lucky . A win is a win . Our offense is ahead of last year statistically in almost every category . That’s what this is about . Genos been mostly unlucky with almost no defense , a new line with 2 rooks , terrible special teams for the most part , terrible calls and stupid mistakes on huge plays .
And we’re 2-2. How lucky were we to get to the Super Bowl and win ? Lucky for all the studs on the team but it came down to the tips of Richard Sherman’s fingers . Don’t start on the 2014 nfc title game. Every winning team has luck , luck in the draft . Luck with injuries, luck with officials calls or non calls in the case of the 2005 stealers . Weird bounces etc . I apologize for no win . And sure we’re lucky to be 2-2 but you score 48 and you help make your luck . Anyone who can explain how we win last Sunday without Geno having a POTW game I’m all ears . Now look out because our defense simply can’t be as bad as it’s been on a Pete Carrol team much longer . The kids are gonna grow up . The switch is gonna flip . In the midst of a dreadful performance they scored 7 and got us the ball another time , both rookie corners . When our D starts kicking in we’re gonna be a tough out for any team in the league .

by **Stream Hawk** » Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:47 pm

This has aged well. Wow. Sherman absolutely LIT HIM UP tonight. Nice job, HT. Seriously.

Honestly, this might become the best trade in franchise history. That is probably an understatement. Just imagine Pete and John right now. Also Denver is losing their collective minds. Russell really does look extremely overrated, and I doubt he’s going to recovery from this. Sherman was amazing on post game. He absolutely ripped him apart and it was awesome. It did bring back a lot of PTSD for us all I’m sure. That was by far the most intense post game commentary I’ve seen ever probably..

Re Russ. I think it was a system thing. He was PERFECT in the zone read & play action offense- when he was in his early to mid 20s. Dude is washed now. I have no clue how Denver will recover from this. Not our problem. Pretty good feeling as a Hawk fan right now?

by **I-5** » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:12 am

Stream Hawk wrote:This has aged well. Wow. Sherman absolutely LIT HIM UP tonight. Nice job, HT. Seriously.

Honestly, this might become the best trade in franchise history. That is probably an understatement. Just imagine Pete and John right now. Also Denver is losing their collective minds. Russell really does look extremely overrated, and I doubt he’s going to recovery from this. Sherman was amazing on post game. He absolutely ripped him apart and it was awesome. It did bring back a lot of PTSD for us all I’m sure. That was by far the most intense post game commentary I’ve seen ever probably..

Re Russ. I think it was a system thing. He was PERFECT in the zone read & play action offense- when he was in his early to mid 20s. Dude is washed now. I have no clue how Denver will recover from this. Not our problem. Pretty good feeling as a Hawk fan right now?

My thoughts exactly. PTSD is exactly what I was thinking listening to Sherm get livid. And he’s right.

I know we’re overreacting…or are we?

by **I-5** » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:15 am

RiverDog wrote:
So are we. We won our two games by a grand total of 4 points.

Regardless of record, the Seahawks are in MUCH healthier trajectory and situation in every way. It is depressing being a Denver fan right now. I’m enjoying this season so much more than last year.

by **RiverDog** » Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:50 am

RiverDog wrote:
So are we. We won our two games by a grand total of 4 points.

I-5 wrote:Regardless of record, the Seahawks are in MUCH healthier trajectory and situation in every way. It is depressing being a Denver fan right now. I’m enjoying this season so much more than last year.

In every way? Not defensively. The Broncos have the 4th best points defense in the league. We're the 2nd worst, in both points allowed and yards surrendered. They've kept 4 of their 5 opponents to 17 or fewer points. Last night, the Broncos kept the Colts out of the end zone for 5 quarters, and even without their best pass rusher, registered 6 sacks and held them to 2/15 on third down. Even with an offense/quarterback that is playing as poorly as they are, that defense will keep them in games. Our defense is the polar opposite. Besides, I wasn't comparing our situation to that of the Broncos. I was simply pointing out that by winning 2 games by a total of 4 points that we could be considered lucky not to be a winless team, too.

But I do agree that overall, we're trending in a better trajectory than the Broncos. That much is obvious, as the Broncos have lost their last two games, both at home, and at 2-3, have a worse record.

by **Hawktawk** » Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:51 am

I-5 wrote:Regardless of record, the Seahawks are in MUCH healthier trajectory and situation in every way. It is depressing being a Denver fan right now. I’m enjoying this season so much more than last year.

In every way? Not defensively. The Broncos have the 4th best points defense in the league. We're the 2nd worst, in both points allowed and yards surrendered. They've kept 4 of their 5 opponents to 17 or fewer points. Last night, the Broncos kept the Colts out of the end zone for 5 quarters, and even without their best pass rusher, registered 6 sacks and held them to 2/15 on third down. Even with an offense/quarterback that is playing as poorly as they are, that defense will keep them in games. Our defense is the polar opposite. Besides, I wasn't comparing our situation to that of the Broncos. I was simply pointing out that by winning 2 games by a total of 4 points that we could be considered lucky not to be a winless team, too.

But I do agree that overall, we're trending in a better trajectory than the Broncos. That much is obvious, as the Broncos have lost their last two games, both at home, and at 2-3, have a worse record.[/quote]

The threads not about defense . We are 2-2 with a washed up garbage backup and Denver is paying 50
Million a year for this ? Lmao . It’s like a train wreck . You have to watch . Russ lived a charmed life winning many games with a fraction of the performance Geno had vs Atlanta . He made a zillion dynamic plays to help win many of the games but he was in a system with a coach that played to his strengths . When he bit the hand that fed him it looks like his charmed luck has come to an end . I’m not sorry to be 100% correct about the Russ Pete Geno thing .

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