Geno in review

[Hawktawk]

Over his past 3 games Geno has gone 20-24, 23-28, 24 -30. 4 passing TD, 1 rush TD.
67-15 passing . His games vs jax and Denver set an obscure NFL record for consecutive 20+ completion 5 or less incomplete 2 TDs per game no turnovers . The dude is more accurate than can be explained by a lot of short routes as he is also very accurate in the seam , between the hashes , on the move . He is remarkably accurate .

Unfortunately if you don’t get to the sticks or in the endzone it doesn’t matter how accurate you are .
So I can’t really solve the mystery of 80% completion and no points . I’d have had the hall in his hands at the goal instead of a running back . Can’t blame him there or Homer staying in bounds . But shut out is shut out whatever special teams did.

I think with a dominant run game it’s a pretty good combination but after not even trying last week we got smashed . Both Walker and Penny averaged 2.5. Homer 4.5 on 2 touches . Geno 2 yards net . The run game is our biggest mystery .

[NorthHawk]

The problem with Geno is he can't elevate his play or carry a team like a top QB can.
Can he make the safe, conservative throw? Sure. But so can a lot of other backup QBs.
No TD's in 6 quarters just shows how limited our Offense is without a QB that can perform better than the team is playing.
Pete's Offensive philosophy doesn't help, but I'm surprised that he allowed the game plan to include RB options. Maybe he's
adjusting to today's Offense. Too bad he didn't do that the last 5 years when we could have taken advantage of it.
I expect those plays to be banished from the playbook, though. I just hope he permits more pre-snap motion and passes to the RB's.

[RiverDog]

Geno's completion percentage is inflated because he doesn't take very many deep shots compared to other QB's. He ranks 2nd in completion percentage yet he's 21st in yards per attempt. He's one of a handful of starting QB's not to have completed a pass of 40 or more yards, so let's cease with the 'incredibly accurate' descriptions. He's incredibly conservative, adverse to taking risks.

We've gone 6 straight quarters without scoring a single offensive point. It's a little premature to be talking about pulling the plug on Geno, but if he has another game or two like the last 1.5, we're going to have to start considering giving Lock a chance.

[NorthHawk]

He's just an average QB who does what the HC wants. Carroll is very conservative and Geno to his credit has picked up on that and done what Pete asks.
There's no shame in that, but it exposes the Offense as what it is - basically an unimaginative Offense based in the 70's and 80's. There's a reason Pete
evoked the 72 Dolphins before the Broncos game, as he's still stuck in that era. However, if we get a suffocating Defense to go along with a conservative'
Offense, we can win. But with today's NFL and high scoring Offenses throughout the league we don't stand a chance if we get behind. Conservative
Offenses with a conservative QB doesn't lead to many wins in shootouts or even the average scores of today's games.

[Hawktawk]

I’ve never said Geno was a star or ever would be one. I said he’s a competent starter . I’m staying with that for now . Everyone has to do their job . Geno actually had more passing yards than last week and 21 in ypa isn’t 32 so it doesn’t explain his completion % he went deep and connected with Dk only to have a linemen downfield 10 yards . Lost 2 plays to that call . Took the ball out of his hands after he had gotten us deep in the red zone . And RD are saying that putting the ball in Dee Jays hands instead of a qb averaging 80% completions last 3 starts was the right move ? Really? I’ve lost some respect for Waldron if he called that .
Bottom line we had 45 plays on offense between them running it down our throat between the 20’s , us stalling and turning it over . They had 73 I believe . A thorough ass whooping But as Huard said this AM “the Niners were we ready for us as we were Denver . They had a score to settle . “ their defense is violent at all 3 levels “

It’s one game . If we score in the teens next 2 were 1-3. Everyone knows it . Geno is capable of making Matt Hasslebeck type deeper throws . No he doesn’t have a 65 yard arm
Our run game is the key . I was very dissapointed in Penny and Walker but the whole process of running looks out of time . Maybe a new line . Remember Russ didn’t cook till we had Penny rolling last year . If we can not run we’re not winning 5 games .remember Denver’s defense is giving up 12.5 and 9ers 9.5.
Let’s see .

[Aseahawkfan]

Geno is doing exactly what I said he would do at the start of the season: running a careful, turnover averse offense using short to medium passes hoping the skill players can obtain YAC. He won't win games from behind where he has to elevate his game. It's why he's a backup QB on any team with a true starting QB.

Geno is not the answer and exactly what I thought he was going in. He's not fun to watch. He doesn't give us a good chance to win.

[Hawktawk]

Geno is doing exactly what I said he would do at the start of the season: running a careful, turnover averse offense using short to medium passes hoping the skill players can obtain YAC. He won't win games from behind where he has to elevate his game and win from behind as the game goes on. It's why he's a backup QB on any team with a true starting QB.

Geno is not the answer and exactly what I thought he was going in. He's not fun to watch. He doesn't give us a good chance to win.

I heard a lot of Geno chants when I was at the game . I didn’t boo and I didn’t chant .Geno is fine to watch when we win and he is 2-1 in his last 3 pro starts . I’m not conceding a guy who has literally completed 80% last 3 games can’t give us a chance to win . We gave up almost 200 rush yards , our run game was 36 yards and Geno got sacked 2 times and knocked down another NINE TIMES. Still completed 80% for 195. Bad pick . But Geno is not the most to blame here . It don’t matter though it’s a freaking loss either way and an ugly one . It’s a young team and they have Pete and so let’s see about next week . Regardless his completion % If Geno can’t make plays his stint as starter will be over soon. Whose fault it is won’t matter . You can’t bench 22 guys . He’s well aware of it .

[NorthHawk]

Grasping at straws my friend.
0 points in 6 quarters says it all.

[Hawktawk]

Grasping at straws my friend.
0 points in 6 quarters says it all.

From halftime of the Vikings game last year till the 4th quarter of the niners Russ was shut out . 5 quarters . Then there was Green Bay . Brady was getting shut out . It happens . I think that 9er defense will be one of the best . And reading stats like 36 rush yards, sacked twice and knocked down 9 times are facts . Not straws. A defense that can’t get off the field leaving long fields constantly . An idiot call by the OC when Geno had us first and 10 on the 15 in a 13 -0 game . What Geno might have done there isn’t knowable . Kinda like lynch on the one . What we did was ridiculous .

I’m really not putting it all on Geno . Let’s see how the guy who started 4-14 and hung 16 on the Texans looks against Bosa and crew .
I’m 1-1 on my predictions . I was really surprised by our ineptitude running the ball. I have no clue what’s gonna happen Sunday and no prediction. If we’re scoreless In the first half probably time to see what Drew has . I’m sure Geno is aware of that . So let’s see. I’ll be surprised if we can’t run for a third week. If we can Geno will be just fine . If not I don’t think either guy can win . I’m shocked by how bad our running game has been .

[obiken]

Sorry, Geno has a 77 QBR rating you cant win with that kind of QB.

[c_hawkbob]

Is that QBR or passer rating OBI? They are very different. 77 ain't a bad QBR.

[govandals]

Is that QBR or passer rating OBI? They are very different. 77 ain't a bad QBR.

QBR 51
rating 80

For the niner game anyway. Geno is Geno...

[Hawktawk]

Is that QBR or passer rating OBI? They are very different. 77 ain't a bad QBR.

QBR 51
rating 80

For the niner game anyway. Geno is Geno...[/quote]

You can’t have a good qbr when you don’t score . It’s Genos first under 100 in 4 starts . Whatever . Gotta win. I’m guessing there are few men in history to be over 80% completion 3 games in a row . Then they take the ball away near the end zone to give to a running back after a nice job by Geno getting us there .

Sherm and KJ were brutal on that call . Unbelievable really . If you don’t trust your offense any more then that put in Drew , let Pete be the fall guy and move on . How about trying giving Geno the playbook instead of throwing with a running back .

But bad team loss after great team win . Although we will have to wait a bit to see how impressive a yardstick beating let’s ride was . Doesn’t look too impressive . My guess Geno had a better rating then 50 million guy with his 4-14 start . It don’t matter . They win and we lose . Rothlesburgher had a 22 and got a Lombardi . It’s a team game .

1-1. Shut em up Geno or ride the bench .

[Stream Hawk]

And then Geno somehow ruins a cool quote/moment:
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2022/0 ... week-1-win

SMH, Geno invites criticism! Geno is a placeholder. Nine years of experience and we have met his ceiling.

[c_hawkbob]

Just hoping to score a little more coin in case he does catch fire.

[obiken]

Is that QBR or passer rating OBI? They are very different. 77 ain't a bad QBR.

No that’s QBR rating, 77 QBR is a back up, 87 is a Low end starter, 97 you’re starting to get a few votes for pro bowl. No, if he was a 70% passer he’d be tops in the league. The point I was trying to make is Geno Smith is a good back up and that’s it!

[c_hawkbob]

Is that QBR or passer rating OBI? They are very different. 77 ain't a bad QBR.

No that’s QBR rating, 77 QBR is a back up, 87 is a Low end starter, 97 you’re starting to get a few votes for pro bowl. No, if he was a 70% passer he’d be tops in the league. The point I was trying to make is Geno Smith is a good back up and that’s it!

I believe you're mistaken buddy, QBR is a newer ESPN creation on a 0 to 100 scale. I think you mean the tradition NFL Passer Rating which is 0 to 158.3.
https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/3/13/168 ... rk-cousins

[Hawktawk]

Total qbr takes things like sacks into consideration . Don’t totally understand the metric but I think it might be a fairer assessment of actual performance than qbr. An 80
Qbr isn’t god awful under the circumstances but meaningless when you lose or in the case of your offense don’t score a god damn point . But once again it’s beat up Geno when the entire team effort minus a blocked kick was dreadful . I gave Lockett the best grade on offense . 9 catches for around 100 yards . I gave Ggno second . 23-28 , 195 yards , made some absolutely dime throws . He was robbed of a bomb to DK , ball inexplicably taken away inside the 10 for back to back handoffs to a back . I guess I was the only one who thought it utterly destroyed our momentum and down 2 scores inside opponents 10 is momentum . I guess that was Genos fault too .

Blame Geno all you want . It’s a team game . I’m not throwing in the towel yet.

[Hawktawk]

It is official . Geno smith is the first man in NFL history with 3 straight starts over 80% completion minimum 10 attempts . He’s averaged 25 attempts . No it’s not because he dinks and dunks . You would think we could figure out how to score .

[NorthHawk]

He’s an All Pro!

[c_hawkbob]

It is official . Geno smith is the first man in NFL history with 3 straight starts over 80% completion minimum 10 attempts . He’s averaged 25 attempts . No it’s not because he dinks and dunks . You would think we could figure out how to score .

6.8 yards per pass. If that were Russell Wilson (7.7) it'd be dinking and dunking wouldn't it?

Seriously, congrats Geno, that's a nice record, hope it's just the beginning!

[Aseahawkfan]

If Geno can't lead the offense to scores against the Falcons, we're in some real trouble. Falcons at home should be as easy a win as we can expect this season. Even your backup should be able to make this happen.

[Hawktawk]

It is official . Geno smith is the first man in NFL history with 3 straight starts over 80% completion minimum 10 attempts . He’s averaged 25 attempts . No it’s not because he dinks and dunks . You would think we could figure out how to score .

6.8 yards per pass. If that were Russell Wilson (7.7) it'd be dinking and dunking wouldn't it?

Seriously, congrats Geno, that's a nice record, hope it's just the beginning![/quote]

Thank you Bob. A true Seahawks fan not blinded by the mutt dog face and the overall team performance. Right now Geno Smith is our starting QB and is being written off as he sets a really impressive record. A personal one he would tell you doesn't mean a damn without winning. But when you look at the guys that have played in this league that never did this on star studded teams and he just played Denver and SF, averaged 72% against Pittsburgh on a night Watt sacked him 5 times in his first start.

I do not buy that we cant win with him. We cant if we give up 175 yards rushing and rush for 36 or whatever and have Dee Jay at QB in the red zone. Pete says they are gonna let him loose this weekend and I think its what we will have to do . As for 6.8 ypa its not awful and far from a league record low while boasting a record high completion %.
I wont get into Russel and Denver and incite a haterade chorus. The media is on it. I will say Monday vs Seattle he dinked to backs more than all but twice in his 10 year career here, also the tight ends. He had over 225 yards after catch in a 344 yard performance. Damn lies and statistics. But every successful team has lots of short passes.

We can win with Geno if we have a team around him. I dont think his predecessor would have much more luck with the play around him right now either.

[Hawktawk]

If Geno can't lead the offense to scores against the Falcons, we're in some real trouble. Falcons at home should be as easy a win as we can expect this season. Even your backup should be able to make this happen.

Ill take my chances with my 80% backup. You write him off after the first game since he came in and went 98 in his quarter vs the rams that he hasn't thrown at least 1 TD pass. Its Atlanta. Its home cooking. He was sacked twice and hit 9 more times and had the ball taken away in maybe the dumbest call since the 1 yard line in Glendale. Run the ball, let him take some shots if there's time.(there hasn't been) Stop the run or at least slow it down. good lord.

I have no Idea what to expect . If we dont beat Atl its probably Drew time if Geno completes 100%

[NorthHawk]

I said it earlier, with young teams you sometimes win some you should lose and lose some you should win.
I have no idea which team will show up on Sunday, but it has to be better than either of the first 2 games if we want to win.

[RiverDog]

Ill take my chances with my 80% backup. You write him off after the first game since he came in and went 98 in his quarter vs the rams that he hasn't thrown at least 1 TD pass. Its Atlanta. Its home cooking. He was sacked twice and hit 9 more times and had the ball taken away in maybe the dumbest call since the 1 yard line in Glendale. Run the ball, let him take some shots if there's time.(there hasn't been) Stop the run or at least slow it down. good lord.

I have no Idea what to expect . If we dont beat Atl its probably Drew time if Geno completes 100%

If I hear any more hype about Geno's completion percentage, I'm going to puke.

In Week 1 vs. the Broncos, in a stat that both you and I lamented last season as being a direct reflection on our quarterbacking, we lost the time of possession battle 33-26, and last week, we were nearly doubled in TOP. For the season, our offense is Oh fer 3 in the red zone. The offense hasn't scored a single point in the last 6 quarters. Those are much more telling stats than a QB's over inflated completion percentage.

As far as when we give Lock a shot, I doubt that Pete makes a change this early. If you recall, in 2012, Russell really struggled in his first few starts and there was a lot of pressure on Pete to put in a very competent backup, but he resisted, and his patience was rewarded later in the season as we matured into what was arguably the best team in the conference.

[NorthHawk]

The difference then was we had a Defense that was improving week by week and was able to get off the field on a regular basis.
We don't have that luxury these days, so the QB has to be effective to make up the difference. So far, it's been a struggle so who
knows when or if Pete will pull the trigger if even just to shake up the team.

[Hawktawk]

80% ain’t hype . It’s an NFL record . And time of posession is a 2 way street . I think we’ve averaged giving up 175 yards rushing , can’t stop anything between the 20s , even in the red zone they go full count every time . Tick tick tick . Just look at the sequence last Sunday to see the overall team issues . With no run game and no defense Geno drives the team inside the ten . We get the ball to start the second half .Running back gets intercepted on second down . Defense finally makes a stop but tick tick tick . Then a muffed punt . Short field defense folds and basically it’s ballgame at the half . Geno was hit or sacked on 11 of 28 pass attempts but completed 23 , over half his completions he was hit on . Not attempts . It’s ridiculous actually .

You’re biased against Geno. You don’t admit being wrong .If you can’t appreciate a guy fighting his ass off for the team , getting laid out all night and still setting an NFL record I feel sorry for you . Addicted to being negative about our team .

[NorthHawk]

In this case it is all hype.
If his average was 10 -15yds per pass, then OK, but short passes to the backs and TE's with no scores to show for it doesn't mean much.
It's yet another demonstration of how statistics can mislead.

[I-5]

Is Geno’s passing the main reason we aren’t scoring, or is it penalties and offensive play calling? What is he being asked to execute that he’s not doing on a play by play basis exactly? I’m sure if they want him to take deeper shots, he’s got the arm to do it. Pete is the one holding it back as far as what I see. He plays scared (Pete that is). I don’t think Geno is afraid to fling it.

[NorthHawk]

Is Geno’s passing the main reason we aren’t scoring, or is it penalties and offensive play calling? What is he being asked to execute that he’s not doing on a play by play basis exactly? I’m sure if they want him to take deeper shots, he’s got the arm to do it. Pete is the one holding it back as far as what I see. He plays scared (Pete that is). I don’t think Geno is afraid to fling it.

It's clear that Pete's Offense requires a QB that can elevate his game. He has to be both conservative and aggressive and not many QBs can do that.
As well, I get the feeling, and it's just that - a feeling, that there is a bit of a hybrid of Pete's Offense and Waldron's McVay style going on. I'm not sure
that the two are compatible. We see some more passes to the RB's in the flat, but very little pre-snap motion. We've had a couple of runs outside the Tackle box
but most are between the tackles. More use of the TE's in the pass game but it doesn't look at this point we are asking Fant to block(good thing).

[Hawktawk]

Is Geno’s passing the main reason we aren’t scoring, or is it penalties and offensive play calling? What is he being asked to execute that he’s not doing on a play by play basis exactly? I’m sure if they want him to take deeper shots, he’s got the arm to do it. Pete is the one holding it back as far as what I see. He plays scared (Pete that is). I don’t think Geno is afraid to fling it.

Geno will put it anywhere . He’s fearless throwing in the seam , between the hashes , to extremely tightly covered receivers . He was robbed of a big one to DK by penalty . Lotta haters though

[I-5]

It's clear that Pete's Offense requires a QB that can elevate his game. He has to be both conservative and aggressive and not many QBs can do that.
As well, I get the feeling, and it's just that - a feeling, that there is a bit of a hybrid of Pete's Offense and Waldron's McVay style going on. I'm not sure
that the two are compatible. We see some more passes to the RB's in the flat, but very little pre-snap motion. We've had a couple of runs outside the Tackle box
but most are between the tackles. More use of the TE's in the pass game but it doesn't look at this point we are asking Fant to block(good thing).

I think you are right about the awkward hybrid of Waldron vs Pete style offense. I was hoping Pete would just let Waldron do his thing and no meddle at all. Having said that, I fully expect we're going to see more deep shots next game. They'd be dumb not to, with all the DPI being called on questionnable go balls. It's almost a free pass.

[Hawktawk]

In this case it is all hype.
If his average was 10 -15yds per pass, then OK, but short passes to the backs and TE's with no scores to show for it doesn't mean much.
It's yet another demonstration of how statistics can mislead.

Geno has thrown 4 TD passes during this stretch . Last year he was 17-21 targeting Dk for 4 TDs , 251 yards and a 151.5 qbr for Geno . We’ve started the year playing terrible on defense and being dead last in rushing . Geno has been under constant pressure . I’ll want to see mr 80% against an average defense as the first 2 were top notch . Especially last Sunday . Might be some folks look a little foolish writing him off when he’s won 2 of 3 .

[NorthHawk]

Please. Enough of this Geno apologist stuff.
He's a good Backup QB and that's all we should expect of him. Period.

[I-5]

Please. Enough of this Geno apologist stuff.
He's a good Backup QB and that's all we should expect of him. Period.

Assuming we bring in a new QB1 next year, Geno is QB2. That's not the point. He's not the only reason we're having scoring issues. Just like we can't say Russ is the only reason Denver isn't scoring enough. Is he?

[Hawktawk]

Please. Enough of this Geno apologist stuff.
He's a good Backup QB and that's all we should expect of him. Period.

He just set an nfl record for accuracy . No apologies needed except by those seem to relish bashing him when he’s the least of our problems . If 80% with 2 TDs and 1 pick and a 1-1 record on the season sounds bad listen to this .

how about 59% completion , 14 of 31 last week , 2 TDs and a pick and a 1-1 record playing 2 of the worst defenses in the league ? How is that ? Guess who it was . How about Kirk Cousins? Or Matt Ryan on a playoff caliber team with a very good quarterback friendly coach being shut out as well last Sunday .

You Geno haters and it’s what you are will never admit you’re haters . I’ll celebrate our NFl record setting tough as whale sh1t most accurate passer ever . Stay in the mud if you like . Hopefully you will remember to eat the crow if he’s successful . I will if he isn’t . But you want to argue about an 80% completion rate playing a tough defense , a filthy defense and a defense that held Buffalo to 6 the week after Geno hung 31, 2 TD passes and a rush TD, 138 rating . But bad team right .

It’s laughable how much you guys root for Geno to lose to win an argument .

[mykc14]

You Geno haters and it’s what you are will never admit you’re haters . I’ll celebrate our NFl record setting tough as whale sh1t most accurate passer ever . Stay in the mud if you like . Hopefully you will remember to eat the crow if he’s successful . I will if he isn’t . But you want to argue about an 80% completion rate playing a tough defense , a filthy defense and a defense that held Buffalo to 6 the week after Geno hung 31, 2 TD passes and a rush TD, 138 rating . But bad team right .

It’s laughable how much you guys root for Geno to lose to win an argument .

I don't give two $hits about accuracy if we aren't producing points. You keep posting the same things ad nauseam. Completion percentage, last two games, targets to DK, robbed of a completion, etc... none of it matters. If Geno Smith starts putting up points I will start eating Crow. The reality is that it's not just Geno and his limited ability but it's also PC and his offensive philosophy. If your goal is to play great defense, run the ball, control the clock, and not turn the ball over then you better do those things. Over the last 2 games we haven't played great defense or ran the ball particularly well. A big part of the that is that nobody fears Geno beating them. We are in year one of our rebuild so I will give PC a little grace, but this is his train 100% and if we don't see major improvement next year I will be firmly on the fire PC train.

[I-5]

I don't give two $hits about accuracy if we aren't producing points. You keep posting the same things ad nauseam. Completion percentage, last two games, targets to DK, robbed of a completion, etc... none of it matters. If Geno Smith starts putting up points I will start eating Crow. The reality is that it's not just Geno and his limited ability but it's also PC and his offensive philosophy. If your goal is to play great defense, run the ball, control the clock, and not turn the ball over then you better do those things. Over the last 2 games we haven't played great defense or ran the ball particularly well. A big part of the that is that nobody fears Geno beating them. We are in year one of our rebuild so I will give PC a little grace, but this is his train 100% and if we don't see major improvement next year I will be firmly on the fire PC train.

I agree that you can’t run if they don’t fear the pass. It goes hand in hand. I’d leave the defense out of this for now, because they’ve been pretty tough in the red zone. You can’t have only 40 offensive snaps and put it on the D. They need to establish the pass to set up the run, if they can’t do the opposite.

[Hawktawk]

The d is a huge part of time of possession problem . More than Geno . As for Waldron I dunno after the call last weekend . Try Walker on wildcat ? Sure . Have a back put it in the air ? Next play ? To the most closely guarded receiver on the team who had zero chance of being uncovered . I’m not sure what’s going on . I know our offense with either guy was bad except when we ran well last year . We can’t run at all this year . We did but got flags week one . I just think it’s entirely possible the team we brought our D game to may have the best defense in the league .
We shall see . Pete isn’t going to sit on his hands if we don’t score and his past history with Russ is different . Lock is more the equivalent of Russ in the beginning only not as ready . Geno is Flynn . I think he could be Hass in the right situation with more mobility and better accuracy . Nobody’s gonna be Russel. Not even Russ