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by **RiverDog** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:59 pm

I don't have a lot of faith in using past history to predict the future, not with the turnover that both teams go through and with parity being what it is. The big question mark is Trey Lance. Reading comments like those from Martz really makes me wonder what the hell it is that Shannahan sees in him that has caused him to make the commitment that he has. Shannahan is a very highly regarded offensive mind, one of the top young coaches in the league. Can he be that wrong?

by **Aseahawkfan** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:42 pm

RiverDog wrote:I don't have a lot of faith in using past history to predict the future, not with the turnover that both teams go through and with parity being what it is. The big question mark is Trey Lance. Reading comments like those from Martz really makes me wonder what the hell it is that Shannahan sees in him that has caused him to make the commitment that he has. Shannahan is a very highly regarded offensive mind, one of the top young coaches in the league. Can he be that wrong?

Could be the GM that committed to him and pushed the coach to do the same. He was the 3rd overall pick. GMs don't usually like to invest in Qbs that high and then not give them a real chance to succeed.

by **I-5** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:12 pm

I'm 100% convinced Shanahan has buyers remorse with his QB, but it would be a monumental embarassment to admit a mistake that huge, so the pressure is on to keep him on the field. Having Jimmy on the bench is a double edged sword for them; he's a solid if limited QB, but he also puts pressure on Lance. Of course, Lance could have a breakout game. I just hope it's not against us.

by **Hawktawk** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:40 pm

I-5 wrote:I'm 100% convinced Shanahan has buyers remorse with his QB, but it would be a monumental embarassment to admit a mistake that huge, so the pressure is on to keep him on the field. Having Jimmy on the bench is a double edged sword for them; he's a solid if limited QB, but he also puts pressure on Lance. Of course, Lance could have a breakout game. I just hope it's not against us.

I agree there is buyers remorse or Jimmys gone , cut whatever. I don’t think Lance has proven himself at all . Seattle got 60 minutes with one of the all time great scramblers . This should be easy . 2 picks and a lost fumble . 3 field goals .

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:20 pm

The rumors before the draft was Shanahan wanted Mac Jones as he was the type of QB who would
execute the plays as called much like Jimmy G but with a larger upside. I inferred from the reports
that he was talked into Lance by Lynch (or maybe Lynch pulled rank - Who knows how these things evolve).
So they selected a player who had very limited experience and gave away a bunch of draft capital in
doing so. Now they are reaping the rewards of high risk. He may work out in the end, but he has a big
learning curve to overcome.

by **I-5** » Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:03 pm

NorthHawk wrote:The rumors before the draft was Shanahan wanted Mac Jones as he was the type of QB who would
execute the plays as called much like Jimmy G but with a larger upside. I inferred from the reports
that he was talked into Lance by Lynch (or maybe Lynch pulled rank - Who knows how these things evolve).
So they selected a player who had very limited experience and gave away a bunch of draft capital in
doing so. Now they are reaping the rewards of high risk. He may work out in the end, but he has a big
learning curve to overcome.

If that’s true. it sucks for Shanny and all the good players they have. I’m not saying Lance will never be good, because he does have tools; I just don’t understand why Shanahan decided to rush anoint him as the starter this year if he’s clearly over his head. Unless John Lynch decided it.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:57 pm

NorthHawk wrote:The rumors before the draft was Shanahan wanted Mac Jones as he was the type of QB who would
execute the plays as called much like Jimmy G but with a larger upside. I inferred from the reports
that he was talked into Lance by Lynch (or maybe Lynch pulled rank - Who knows how these things evolve).
So they selected a player who had very limited experience and gave away a bunch of draft capital in
doing so. Now they are reaping the rewards of high risk. He may work out in the end, but he has a big
learning curve to overcome.

I-5 wrote:If that’s true. it sucks for Shanny and all the good players they have. I’m not saying Lance will never be good, because he does have tools; I just don’t understand why Shanahan decided to rush anoint him as the starter this year if he’s clearly over his head. Unless John Lynch decided it.

I'd be very surprised if that were true. Shanahan may have wanted Mac Jones and Lynch may have been the main driver in drafting Lance, but Shanny sounded awfully darn confident of himself and full of conviction when he said that 'this is Trey Lance's team." I don't know if he would have made such a strong endorsement if he didn't have a firm belief in Lance's ability.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:14 pm

Lance is very young, so any sign of a lack of confidence from the HC could cause him to doubt himself or set him back somewhat.
All coaches show support for their players, until they don't, then they move on.
I'm not going to say Lance has no future, but it may take so long for him to develop that the rest of the 49ers milght be on the downside of their careers when he does.
Keep in mind he only played in a handful of games the 2 years before he entered the draft.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:23 am

NorthHawk wrote:Lance is very young, so any sign of a lack of confidence from the HC could cause him to doubt himself or set him back somewhat.
All coaches show support for their players, until they don't, then they move on.
I'm not going to say Lance has no future, but it may take so long for him to develop that the rest of the 49ers milght be on the downside of their careers when he does.
Keep in mind he only played in a handful of games the 2 years before he entered the draft.

Lance doesn't have to win the game. He just has to keep from losing it. Get used to hearing Jeff Wilson's name being called.

Our defense has to play better than what they did vs. the Broncos if we hope to stay in this game. We can't count on two goal line fumbles and 12 penalties to bail us out, and we won't be playing with the 12th man screaming in the ears of our opponents. We're playing on the road and on a short week. I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:03 am

For some reason we seem to have the 49ers number and I expect a close game again today.
Some teams just have a curse on them it seems when playing another. The Colts have lost 7 straight to the Panthers of all teams.
If something strange happens we might even squeak out a win, even if we are short comparable talent on the field.
And the weather might become a factor, too.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:16 am

NorthHawk wrote:For some reason we seem to have the 49ers number and I expect a close game again today.
Some teams just have a curse on them it seems when playing another. The Colts have lost 7 straight to the Panthers of all teams.
If something strange happens we might even squeak out a win, even if we are short comparable talent on the field.
And the weather might become a factor, too.

Yeah, it's hard to say. After last week, the Niners ought to be used to playing in the rain, but who knows. I would feel better predicting an upset if the Niners had won last weekend. We're not going to be able to sneak up on them.

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:48 am

They might feel desperate for a win, too so maybe with it being their home opener they ride an emotional high.
On the other hand...

by **obiken** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:52 am

RiverDog wrote:Yeah, it's hard to say. After last week, the Niners ought to be used to playing in the rain, but who knows. I would feel better predicting an upset if the Niners had won last weekend. We're not going to be able to sneak up on them

No question Rivey, NH is right that PC has owned Shanahan but I think Lance knows he is on the Hot seat and the Niner D and Offensive weapons are just too much to handle now. I think losing Diggs was a bigger loss than JA, we got no one to cover Samuel's. I think they win the game, but hell I been wrong before, and hopefully again.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:06 am

RiverDog wrote:Yeah, it's hard to say. After last week, the Niners ought to be used to playing in the rain, but who knows. I would feel better predicting an upset if the Niners had won last weekend. We're not going to be able to sneak up on them

obiken wrote:No question Rivey, NH is right that PC has owned Shanahan but I think Lance knows he is on the Hot seat and the Niner D and Offensive weapons are just too much to handle now. I think losing Diggs was a bigger loss than JA, we got no one to cover Samuel's. I think they win the game, but hell I been wrong before, and hopefully again.

Diggs was a full participant in Thursday's practice, but I agree that he's a more important piece to our defense than Adams.

We should see at least some of Ken Walker today, but I'd be surprised if he gets more than 10 touches.

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:32 am

This is a really big game . They all are . But if Hts prediction is gonna stay on track this is a real fork in the road . Another Vegas line showing nobody’s paying attention but the guys in the locker room . Once again playing with house money . We had help sweeping them last year but there’s always luck . Maybe we catch the interceptions or maybe they try to play like Oklahoma Nebraska and just run . They have advantage D. We have advantage QB and offense . I think our run game is gonna show up big time . ST may decide it . A loss were 1-1. They are 0-2 and in serous trouble . Should be fascinating .
GO HAWKS!!!

by **obiken** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:10 am

RiverDog wrote:Diggs was a full participant in Thursday's practice, but I agree that he's a more important piece to our defense than Adams.

We should see at least some of Ken Walker today, but I'd be surprised if he gets more than 10 touches.

Hell thats good news River!

by **I-5** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:58 am

Let's hope our run game is on point today. I kind of wanna see not just Penny and Walker, but Deejay Dallas, too. He showed something in preseason that would be nice if he can translate it to the regular season. Its going to be a game of big plays.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:27 am

I-5 wrote:Let's hope our run game is on point today. I kind of wanna see not just Penny and Walker, but Deejay Dallas, too. He showed something in preseason that would be nice if he can translate it to the regular season. Its going to be a game of big plays.

I was surprised that we didn't see more of Dallas last Monday. He sure ran the ball well during the preseason, and with Walker sidelined, I thought for sure we'd see him getting some touches.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:42 am

I-5 wrote:Let's hope our run game is on point today. I kind of wanna see not just Penny and Walker, but Deejay Dallas, too. He showed something in preseason that would be nice if he can translate it to the regular season. Its going to be a game of big plays.

We're going to need the run game to produce some points to make this thing work well enough to maintain parity.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:49 am

George Kittle is out, didn't play last week, won't play this week. I heard them say that in the last 10 games that the Niners have played without Kittle, they're 2-8. Perhaps a good omen?

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:41 pm

Seattle only ran 13 times in designed situations . 12 went to penny for 60, a 5 ypc average . But he lost a couple chunk plays to penalty . I liked the way both Homer and Dallas looked in the preseason . But Penny averaged 7.2 yards per carry last 5 last year and I’m not taking the ball out of his hands to give to them unless he’s hurt or winded or loses his mojo . They are nice backs but Penny is elite . I suspect he may show up today . He was close . If we get that big boy loose we don’t need 4 TD passes .

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:23 pm

Walker on the other hand

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:34 pm

If you didn't know earlier, you know now...why the Niners resigned Jimmy G.

by **zackole** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 1:56 pm

We are that bad.......

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:24 pm

My score pick has been obliterated. Let's hope for some second half adjustments that work.

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:31 pm

Brutal in every phase

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:16 pm

10 point swing on one play. Could be our only scoring play of the game.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:23 pm

If our offense ever gets untracked, we could win this game. Garoppolo really stinks. Could be the weather?

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:24 pm

Pete usually makes good 2nd half defensive adjustments.

It's the fourth quarter. Let Geno throw and see what happens.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 3:51 pm

This game is over. I wasn't expecting to get smoked this bad. But Denver's D-line is vicious. Our run defense is terrible. Not sure how long John is going to continue to fail to draft quality D-line players, but if we are going to run a 3-4 we need better D-line to hold gap integrity and probably some bigger LBs or at least better at playing the run.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:00 pm

Sadly, I was expecting something similar. My call was 20-10 SF.

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 4:09 pm

I give the 9ers defense a lot of credit . They stuffed our run and dared Geno to beat them with the pass and he didn’t at all . We lost some plays to penalty. and if anyone can explain wtf we were doing with back to back wildcat and Dee Jay throwing the pick after Geno had led the best drive of the night I’d like to hear that . It’s not enough to explain this loss . Ugly in every phase . There is no defending this performance other than the blocked fg. Ultimately 1-1. I expected a win. I think Lance getting hurt threw us for a loop . On to Atlanta ! GO HAWKS!

by **trents** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:05 pm

Hard to find anything positive about the Hawk's performance against niners today but I liked the aggressiveness and speed of the two young cornerbacks, M. Jackson and Woolen. Judging by preseason and the first two games of the regular season they strike me as playmakers. They just need to cut down on the penalties.

The other positive is Tyler Lockett who had his 16th 100+ yard game. You can always count on him.

Where were the tight ends today? They were a no show.

Geno got desperate at times and threw into double and triple coverage. His completion percentage was decent but lots of short throws.

36 yards total on the ground. 38:20 to 21:40 TOP. That's abysmal. We can't win games with those kind of numbers. We've got to keep our offense on the field more and or defense on the field less.

by **c_hawkbob** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:07 pm

Yeah, Trey Lance getting hurt, that's what it was ...

I'm looking at Pete; some terrible calls and a ton of penalties, poor gameday coaching and during the week prep.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:19 pm

Hawktawk wrote:I give the 9ers defense a lot of credit . They stuffed our run and dared Geno to beat them with the pass and he didn’t at all . We lost some plays to penalty. and if anyone can explain wtf we were doing with back to back wildcat and Dee Jay throwing the pick after Geno had led the best drive of the night I’d like to hear that . It’s not enough to explain this loss . Ugly in every phase . There is no defending this performance other than the blocked fg. Ultimately 1-1. I expected a win. I think Lance getting hurt threw us for a loop . On to Atlanta ! GO HAWKS!

If anything, Lance's injury should have helped us. They were moving the ball pretty well before he got hurt, 2 drives, 2 trips to the red zone.

Our running game sucks. Penny had 15 yards in 6 carries, and overall, we had 36 yards in 14 carries. The Denver game wasn't a lot better. Unless we can get more production out of our running game, it doesn't matter who our QB is, we're not going to score a lot of points. Our offense has to be able to run in order to be effective. The O has now gone 6 straight quarters without scoring a single point.

Defense still has sloppytacklingism. Even Diggs whiffed big time on one big play. Al Woods had a career game, though. Special teams produced one turnover, gave another one away.

All in all, it was about what I expected. I didn't think our O would put up more than 10 points against this Niner defense, which is one of the best in the league.

by **trents** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:43 pm

I'll bet the niners are glad they didn't move Garapalo. Lance's injury is rumored to cost him the whole season. Garapalo's revenge! The team that didn't want him is now dependent on him.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:59 pm

trents wrote:I'll bet the niners are glad they didn't move Garapalo. Lance's injury is rumored to cost him the whole season. Garapalo's revenge! The team that didn't want him is now dependent on him.

It's not a rumor. Lance broke his ankle and will require season ending surgery.

Re-signing Garoppolo looks like a stroke of genius. You have to feel bad for Lance, though. The Niners' offense was looking pretty good when he was hurt.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:12 pm

Sucks that Denver pulled out the win. If they keep playing like that, they are going to get creamed in that division.

Denver's defense is for real. I give them props for holding Houston to six points as bad as their offense was playing. But Mahomes or Herbert are going to kill Denver if they don't do something about their offense in the red zone and quick.

I hope to see our draft pick still in the top 10 if they don't get it turned around.

by **trents** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 9:40 pm

Around the league there were some exciting games played today with a couple of dramatic comebacks! You can see the historically good teams getting their feet under them now and all those upsets from last week really don't signal any shift in the guards.

The only head scratcher to me is the terrible start the Bengals are getting off to. Burrow just doesn't look like magic man yet.

Should be a good game tomorrow night between the Titans and the Bills.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:05 pm

trents wrote:Around the league there were some exciting games played today with a couple of dramatic comebacks! You can see the historically good teams getting their feet under them now and all those upsets from last week really don't signal any shift in the guards.

The only head scratcher to me is the terrible start the Bengals are getting off to. Burrow just doesn't look like magic man yet.

Should be a good game tomorrow night between the Titans and the Bills.

I want to see if Josh Allen still all fired up. I might put some money on the Bills. Von Miller seems like the piece they needed on defense. Josh Allen seems on a mission this year.

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