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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:54 am

I-5 wrote:Totally disagree. He is a weak link only you're expecting the QB position to win games for us. I don't think that is the case, and Pete has said so. Geno just has to play within the system, which means hand the ball off, and take care of the football when he does sling it. He can do that. He was never going to be the hero, so he's well within his capabilities.


Couldn't care less what you think. Geno is a weak link that will be rectified within a few years hopefully. I don't care what Pete says: QB needs to be able to win close games. When they can't, you're like Denver tonight losing a lot of close games.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:58 am

obiken wrote:Oh come on guy, Russ is every bit as courageous as always, I am getting so tired of fans slamming Russ!! Pete without Russ, Fired, Fired, and 14-18 with Matt Flynn at QB! The booing today pissed me off! Pete tried to trade him, and he held his mud for 4 years!! I am almost off as a Hawks fan over this whole deal, and I have been one for 46 years, good and bad! Russ goes into the Ring of Honor, will they boo him then?? Or no ROH, disband the ROH if thats the case!! The stupider thing was the Browns turning the used car salesman down, and taking Baker Mayfield, how the flock did that work out for them ASHF!!! We b**** about players having no loyalty and they have no memory of Russ holding our only trophy, WHICH WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD WITHOUT HIM!! SO SCREW THEM ALL!!


Tonight they lost their balls. It has nothing to do with what happened earlier or tomorrow or down the line. Right now they tried to kick a 64 yard field goal instead of putting the ball in Russ's hands on 4th and 5.

You already know I got love for Russ, but tonight he and his new coach got out-coached and lost their cool at the end.

As far Russ going into the Hall and Ring of Honor, that'll still happen.

But right now, we put Denver at a lower draft position. That's what Seattle needed to do.

Russ is still far and away better than Geno. But Hackett is not better than Pete and Pete showed Hackett he isn't. Hackett had way more talent, especially at QB and didn't trust Russ to take the shot with 4th and 5 instead trying to kick a field goal with a kicker 1 and 8 kicking field goals over 60, likely even that one at home in that thin air.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby obiken » Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:04 am

14−21 615 1,034 59.4 7,112 6.9 36 37 77.0 164 715 4.4 8 97 694 22 11

104−53−1 3,079 4,735 65.0 37,059 7.8 292 87 101.8 846 4,689 5.5 23 427 2,838 87 25

Thats it ASHF, numbers do not lie. Just the QBR 77 vs 101 should scare the piss outta fans. 65% vs 59% for smith come on, he is the weak link. I think in 4-5 games max they will bolt to Drool Lock, who you can Wikipedia yourself, his numbers are a lot closer to Geno than Russ.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Sep 13, 2022 2:13 am

obiken wrote:14−21 615 1,034 59.4 7,112 6.9 36 37 77.0 164 715 4.4 8 97 694 22 11

104−53−1 3,079 4,735 65.0 37,059 7.8 292 87 101.8 846 4,689 5.5 23 427 2,838 87 25

Thats it ASHF, numbers do not lie. Just the QBR 77 vs 101 should scare the piss outta fans. 65% vs 59% for smith come on, he is the weak link. I think in 4-5 games max they will bolt to Drool Lock, who you can Wikipedia yourself, his numbers are a lot closer to Geno than Russ.


This is the one game on the schedule I wanted to win more than any other game. Just because it affects our draft position.

I watched the end zone drops by a few of Russ's receivers. He doesn't have the chemistry yet with them like he did DK and Lockett. But he'll get there.

Russ is by far better than Geno. It isn't even close. Geno had a hot first half, then looked like Geno in the 2nd half. If Russ had taken the lead, I seriously doubt Geno wins it back.

Nothing Geno did tonight has changed my mind about us needing a future QB. Just like I think most of us expected, Geno is running a hyper conservative offense focused on not turning the ball over. That type of offense only carries you so far. There's a reason Russ is Russ. If that was Russ with our improved defense and run game at home, we probably put up a 40 or more burger. But it was Geno. So we won at home by 1 point with Denver having 2 red zone turnovers, going 0-4 in the red zone, and a rookie head coaching playing in Lumen Field.

I'm happy we squeaked out the win. Started Denver off with a loss and better draft position for us. And our rookies didn't look bad. Tackles looked like they can play with the starters. Tariq looked like he really is going to the Sherman School of "They can't call a penalty every time I grab the opposing receiver", and our defense looked stout in the red zone.

We're still Seattle fans. We want our team to do well. They won the most important game of their season. Everything from here on out we can watch and enjoy.

Next week our line faces Nick Bosa in Frisco. That's a whole other level of a pass rush.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby RiverDog » Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:39 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Hackett screwed that pooch for us! Russ has to love that he'd rather take a 1 in 8 FG chance (his kicker's record from 60+) than let him try to convert a 4th and 5 with 30+ seconds left. Glad Russ didn't get the chance myself.

Great win!


30+ seconds plus 2 timeouts.

That move made no sense whatsoever. You go out and trade what you did and plop down the money that you did, and you don't trust your quarterback to pick up 5 yards at midfield with the entire playbook at his disposal? I gotta wonder what was going on inside of Russ's head as he stood on the sidelines and watched that FG sail wide right.

Having said that, the Denver offense was way out of sync the entire game. They got called for two delay of game penalties in the same drive and were constantly having to rush to get the snap off in time, including a hurried play that contributed to one of the goal line fumbles. All in all, the Donkeys got flagged for 12 penalties. IMO we benefited from catching them early in the season. Their dysfunction was obviously a product of not having any game experience, something that we saw in a number of games in Week 1. They weren't as prepared as we were. Does anyone want to comment on the wisdom of sitting your starters for the entire preseason? Geno and our starters played quite a bit in the preseason.

It was still a great win for us. Although he was throwing mostly short stuff, Geno was on target and made few mistakes. The OL held up reasonably well, and Penny looked good running the ball. The defense, although tough as nails in the red zone, as a lot of work to do.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby trents » Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:20 am

You can't blame the decision not to go for it on 4th and 5 at the end of the game on Russ. That was Hackett's call.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby RiverDog » Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:23 am

trents wrote:You can't blame the decision not to go for it on 4th and 5 at the end of the game on Russ. That was Hackett's call.


Who blamed Russell for that decision? It wasn't me. Of course, it was the head coach's call. Nobody said that it wasn't.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby govandals » Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:28 am

I don't understand Hackett's thinking here at all. You have your quarter billion-dollar QB, playing his first game in his old stomping grounds, a "revenge" game, so to speak, an offense that piled up over 400 yards, 340 by Russell alone, and you kick a 64-yard fg? Not even good ole Pete Carroll would make a decision that stupid. They gifted us the game and I'll gladly take it.

Great 1st half by Geno, meh second half. Geno is still Geno, alarming lack of pocket awareness, long, slooow delivery of the ball. Nothing dynamic in his game. Just a placeholder until next year.
Cross and Lucas looked good enough to me. Blythe can still play too.
Penny ran hard and nearly broke a few big runs.
I know it's only game one, but new scheme on D equals same results. Run defense was bad, not enough pressure on the QB.
Darrell Taylor seemed undisciplined to me. Too amped up??
Let the young secondary take their lumps, we may have something in Woolen. Michael Jackson was good. Pete was quick to pull Bryant, but Coleman sure wasn't any better. Looks like Jones or Neal will get playing time with Jamal's injury.
The new longsnapper did fine! Whew!
The quick exchange between PC and RW made me feel uncomfortable. Quick handshake, quick hug and PC, I think, appeared to pull away first.
The Shelby Harris on-field interview postgame was pure gold!
Not surprised at all with the booing of RW. The whole situation is too fresh in the minds of the fans. It's like being dumped by your smokin' hot girlfriend, of course you're gonna be emotional and boo. If the game week 12, I think the reaction may be slightly different. When Russell goes into the ROH, I'll cheer. When Russell goes into the HOF, I'll cheer. I booed from my couch last night, though

Bring on the Niners!
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby mykc14 » Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:35 am

govandals wrote:I don't understand Hackett's thinking here at all. You have your quarter billion-dollar QB, playing his first game in his old stomping grounds, a "revenge" game, so to speak, an offense that piled up over 400 yards, 340 by Russell alone, and you kick a 64-yard fg? Not even good ole Pete Carroll would make a decision that stupid. They gifted us the game and I'll gladly take it.




One of the stupidest decisions I have seen in awhile. Had he even been 50% from that distance in his career I could at least see some logic in it, but even then I would imagine the chances of winning are still higher going for it on 4th and 5. That decision is exactly why I hated Peteball when we had RW at QB. Why would you pay a QB 48 mil/year and then not put the ball in his hands in that situation?
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby govandals » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:03 am

I know RW said all the correct things postgame. I just wonder what he was really thinking.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:07 am

Two points is all that matters but we didn't "Win" this game rather the Broncos lost it.
Another poster talked about Hackett's decision on the last drive and I think ASHF was probably right in implying that Hackett wasn't ready for being the HC.
The Broncos went out and got Wilson who has the most comeback wins in the last decade and then decided to play it safe to ensure a 64 yard FG. What the
hell was he thingking - maybe ASHF was right about him. As well they were down at the goal line 3 times and came away with 3 points. That leads to another
problem with them not playing their starters at all in pre season. And it came back to bite them, much to our pleasure. It might have been OK if the team had
a couple of years playing together in the new system but it's obvious that real playing time counts in the pre season games when new systems are introduced.

I think that's our Offense this year. 17 points will be the norm so our Defense better be ready to win games for us. We can't rely on penalties at crucial times
in drives to extend posessions going forward. The young Tackles played pretty well and will continue to be tested by better players, but it will only make them
better for the years to come. Geno is Geno and he won't be able to win games by himself so it will be on the Defense to hold them down.

The Defense was being gouged by huge 1st down runs most of the game, so that has to be addressed and the secondary might even be better without Adams.
For a late draft pick, Wollen looked pretty good but the youth and inexperience showed up a few times. They still have some learning to do but their development
should coincide with the OL on the other side becoming very solid. Add in a top QB and we might be a force once again.

Fnally Special Teams played pretty well last night. They looked pretty shaky in the pre season but did well when it counted.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:07 am

govandals wrote:I know RW said all the correct things postgame. I just wonder what he was really thinking.


It would have been interesting to hear the conversation on the flight home.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby RiverDog » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:21 am

govandals wrote:I don't understand Hackett's thinking here at all. You have your quarter billion-dollar QB, playing his first game in his old stomping grounds, a "revenge" game, so to speak, an offense that piled up over 400 yards, 340 by Russell alone, and you kick a 64-yard fg? Not even good ole Pete Carroll would make a decision that stupid. They gifted us the game and I'll gladly take it.




mykc14 wrote:One of the stupidest decisions I have seen in awhile. Had he even been 50% from that distance in his career I could at least see some logic in it, but even then I would imagine the chances of winning are still higher going for it on 4th and 5. That decision is exactly why I hated Peteball when we had RW at QB. Why would you pay a QB 48 mil/year and then not put the ball in his hands in that situation?


I still can't get over that decision. Hackett had the clock stopped and with two timeouts in his pocket and needing just 5 yards, he had the entire playbook at his disposal, and a legitimate HOF QB at the helm that they've invested the universe in to attempt it. That's got to be at least a 50/50 proposition. Instead, he tries what would have been the longest FG in NFL history that wasn't in a dome or at high altitude. I've seen a lot of football in my day, but I honestly can't remember a decision by a HC at any level making a worse decision.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall back in Denver this morning.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:51 pm

Did Mafe play against Denver? He has no stat line.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:02 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Two points is all that matters but we didn't "Win" this game rather the Broncos lost it.
Another poster talked about Hackett's decision on the last drive and I think ASHF was probably right in implying that Hackett wasn't ready for being the HC.
The Broncos went out and got Wilson who has the most comeback wins in the last decade and then decided to play it safe to ensure a 64 yard FG. What the
hell was he thingking - maybe ASHF was right about him. As well they were down at the goal line 3 times and came away with 3 points. That leads to another
problem with them not playing their starters at all in pre season. And it came back to bite them, much to our pleasure. It might have been OK if the team had
a couple of years playing together in the new system but it's obvious that real playing time counts in the pre season games when new systems are introduced.

I think that's our Offense this year. 17 points will be the norm so our Defense better be ready to win games for us. We can't rely on penalties at crucial times
in drives to extend posessions going forward. The young Tackles played pretty well and will continue to be tested by better players, but it will only make them
better for the years to come. Geno is Geno and he won't be able to win games by himself so it will be on the Defense to hold them down.

The Defense was being gouged by huge 1st down runs most of the game, so that has to be addressed and the secondary might even be better without Adams.
For a late draft pick, Wollen looked pretty good but the youth and inexperience showed up a few times. They still have some learning to do but their development
should coincide with the OL on the other side becoming very solid. Add in a top QB and we might be a force once again.

Fnally Special Teams played pretty well last night. They looked pretty shaky in the pre season but did well when it counted.


Rookie head coaches like any rook has to learn the hard way. Now we'll see if Hackett is any good based on how he responds to adversity. The head coaches that are going to make it in NFL step up when they get stepped on.

Pete Carroll is a great head coach right now because he put his time in the trenches learning from all his mistakes and setbacks to get where he ended up. Hackett has to go through that process. If he's got the mettle and intelligence to be a head coach, then he'll get better from this. If he doesn't, then Denver will be in the market for a head coach again.

We had a lot of advantages going into this game:

1. Homefield with angry 12s.

2. Rookie head coach preparing for a game on an enemy field.

3. New defensive scheme no one had film on.

4. Geno played all preseason in a QB competition where he had to step up his game to win against Lock.

5. Denver QB Russ learning a new offense and having to build timing and touch with his receivers with no preseason games played and just practice.

6. Defensive head coach who knows the opposing QB better than anyone in the league who prepared a game plan to stop Russell.

We play Denver midseason, may have been a different story. But for this early game, we had a lot going for us and we took advantage to squeak out a 1 point win.

Then we just got some luck and a lot of penalties from an unprepared Denver offense in a noisy opponent field. All of this to squeak out a 1 point win. I'll take it, but it was not impressive. If we had a better QB, we would have blown out Denver with the same advantages.

And we won't have these advantages in any other game. So we'll see how this goes from here on out.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:05 pm

govandals wrote:I know RW said all the correct things postgame. I just wonder what he was really thinking.


Who knows. I think Russ had some nostalgia. He may have anger towards Carroll, but he still loves Seattle and their fans and his old teammates. Probably would have preferred to stay in Seattle, but it is what it is. We went with the coach instead of the QB. So Russ will move on and do his best in Denver.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:35 pm

Rookie head coaches like any rook has to learn the hard way. Now we'll see if Hackett is any good based on how he responds to adversity. The head coaches that are going to make it in NFL step up when they get stepped on.

Pete Carroll is a great head coach right now because he put his time in the trenches learning from all his mistakes and setbacks to get where he ended up. Hackett has to go through that process. If he's got the mettle and intelligence to be a head coach, then he'll get better from this. If he doesn't, then Denver will be in the market for a head coach again.

We had a lot of advantages going into this game:

1. Homefield with angry 12s.

2. Rookie head coach preparing for a game on an enemy field.

3. New defensive scheme no one had film on.

4. Geno played all preseason in a QB competition where he had to step up his game to win against Lock.

5. Denver QB Russ learning a new offense and having to build timing and touch with his receivers with no preseason games played and just practice.

6. Defensive head coach who knows the opposing QB better than anyone in the league who prepared a game plan to stop Russell.

We play Denver midseason, may have been a different story. But for this early game, we had a lot going for us and we took advantage to squeak out a 1 point win.

Then we just got some luck and a lot of penalties from an unprepared Denver offense in a noisy opponent field. All of this to squeak out a 1 point win. I'll take it, but it was not impressive. If we had a better QB, we would have blown out Denver with the same advantages.

And we won't have these advantages in any other game. So we'll see how this goes from here on out.


I think the most important issue last night with the Broncos was them not playing the starters in pre season. I think it
really bit them in the 1st and goal situations when they had problems getting the plays in on time and successfully completing
the play resulting in fumbles.
The 2nd issue is at the end of the game by playing for a field goal and not using time outs to set up the Offense for
success, he inadvertently sent a message that he didn’t trust his QB, Offense, or Defense.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby trents » Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:22 pm

RiverDog wrote:Who blamed Russell for that decision? It wasn't me. Of course, it was the head coach's call. Nobody said that it wasn't.


I was referring to a comment made earlier by Aseahawkfan: "Russ and Hackett lost their balls."

Hackett maybe but not Russ.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:42 pm

trents wrote:I was referring to a comment made earlier by Aseahawkfan: "Russ and Hackett lost their balls."

Hackett maybe but not Russ.


You may be right. I know about as much about Hackett and Russ's relationship as I do about Pete and Russ's relationship. Didn't see the trade coming with Pete. Don't know why Hackett chose to kick a field goal.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby RiverDog » Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:05 am

RiverDog wrote:The smart decision would have been to go for it. I can't believe that making a record long 64 yard FG was any better than 1 in 4 while converting on a 4th and 5 with the entire playbook at their disposal, against a defense that had already given up over 400 yards, and a very accurate, veteran QB pulling the trigger, that the odds would have been no worse than 40-45%, it was a balls-ie decision to attempt the kick.


Here's some more information on the FG attempt which confirms my thoughts about the odds of Hackett's decision:

Just two kickers in the NFL, since 1960, have even made field goal attempts of at least 64 yards, and the longest field goal in the history of Lumen Field is 56 yards.

McManus, who has one of the strongest legs of any kicker in the league, is still 1-of-5, including Monday night's miss, on attempts of at least 60 yards in his career. Also, last season, according to ESPN Stats & Information research, teams converted 48 percent of their fourth-and-5 plays.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/345 ... ckett-says

So 1 for 4 prior to the kick is exactly what I said it was, and 48% is right where I pegged the odds of converting on 4th and 5, and that's not taking into account the fact that with two timeouts, Hackett had the entire playbook at his disposal. There are occasions where teams going for it on 4th down have a limitation in that they have to stop the clock, which forces them to throw outside the numbers.

Even Hackett admits that it was a poor decision. Bottom line is that he choked.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:56 am

I guess Pete did give Russ a hug after the game. Maybe both decided to go their own way amicably letting each pursue their own idea of what they want from football. Who knows. Years from now we'll all remember this period with Russ, Pete, The Legion, Marshawn, and all the guys as an amazing era of football.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby obiken » Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:00 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:I guess Pete did give Russ a hug after the game. Maybe both decided to go their own way amicably letting each pursue their own idea of what they want from football. Who knows. Years from now we'll all remember this period with Russ, Pete, The Legion, Marshawn, and all the guys as an amazing era of football.


Well thats what Warren Moon was saying today on Fox. He will be in the ROH.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:18 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:I guess Pete did give Russ a hug after the game. Maybe both decided to go their own way amicably letting each pursue their own idea of what they want from football. Who knows. Years from now we'll all remember this period with Russ, Pete, The Legion, Marshawn, and all the guys as an amazing era of football.


That's what I had heard the situation between them was. They still like each other as men but have a different PoV as to how to move forward that couldn't be overcome.
But sometimes in competition you want to beat your friends more than others you don't know.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Hawktawk » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:26 am

c_hawkbob wrote:What a half eh? Hawktawk has got to be having the time of his life! Geno has been outplaying Russ so far and our defense is better than expected so far too. Too bad about Adams, I truly feel sorry for the guy. Can't wait for the second half!

I will say I was embarrassed about the classless reception we gave Russ when he first took the field, but have no problem with anything after the opening whistle.

I had a great time Bob. Got a little exciting at the end. Cool hearing Geno chants. I think its a cool story and right now Im fine with him as a point guard Hasslebeck type QB. Deadly accurate in the seam, slants etc, enough of an arm to make every throw.


As for the classless Hawks 12s Bob sorry to bust your bubble. For every seattle 3 jersey there were 9 pist off fans planning to be booing and screaming for 3 hours. So many orange 3s I was afraid I was gonna have a seizure :lol: :lol: I talked to a lot of friends and foes in sluggers like usual. 90 % planned to boo among those I talked to. I even had a Denver fan ask me why Russel is being made into a God in Denver. he was very nervous about the game.Anyone who thnks it was all sweetness and light in that locker room should check some of the tweets from Russels former teammates. Baldwin.....oooooooooooh :lol:

Had a Denver fan walk up to me in the Edgewater and say good luck with Geno as your quarterback. I said well here in Seattle Pete knows how to develop a quarterback, we don't have to trade for one someone already developed like Denver does. So good luck with Geno yourselves.I saw him after and whispered hey whats up? lets ride.Cat had his tongue. :D :D :D :D :D
Great epic win for the ages, a historic game.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Hawktawk » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:48 am

trents wrote:I was referring to a comment made earlier by Aseahawkfan: "Russ and Hackett lost their balls."

Hackett maybe but not Russ.


You may be right. I know about as much about Hackett and Russ's relationship as I do about Pete and Russ's relationship. Didn't see the trade coming with Pete. Don't know why Hackett chose to kick a field goal.[/quote]


Pete and Russ dont have much of a relationship IMO. they did the pretentious hug without even making eye contact , no words spoken. I've heard Pete pre and post game and hes always classy but makes clear his disdain for what became of our Franchise QB." its the ultimate team game and when all the attention is directed to one person it upsets the others"

As for Russel's alleged balls people with medicine balls dont talk about not wanting to get hit.They see the field and feel the rush. Geno has twice the courage as Russ these days.

Nor did I see him in Hacketts face demanding the ball. So much for letting Russ cook . Its the epitome of irony that you leave a stodgy run first offense and go to another and wind up attempting a world record kick with timeouts and Jesus Christ himself behind center. There is some speculation Hackett was concerned about destroying Russels confidence if the play failed. Not sure I buy that but its out there.

Hackett is the real clown here, as I speculated shortly after the game was announced. That guy is gonna get us a top ten pick if he has Tom Brady. Mark Rodgers is dropping F bombs on him right now. Probably why Hackett has changed his tune about the decision a day later,
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby c_hawkbob » Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:35 am

As for the classless Hawks 12s Bob sorry to bust your bubble. For every seattle 3 jersey there were 9 pist off fans planning to be booing and screaming for 3 hours.


I know not what bubble you refer to. I said I was disappointed, not surprised. People are dicks.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Hawktawk » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:00 am

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As for the classless Hawks 12s Bob sorry to bust your bubble. For every seattle 3 jersey there were 9 pist off fans planning to be booing and screaming for 3 hours.


I know not what bubble you refer to. I said I was disappointed, not surprised. People are dicks.[/quote]


An overwhelming majority of the fan base think Russ is the dick . Saying it was all on your shoulders on a 53 man roster is perceived as classless . Saying you went to a winning city . I said it would be on the blackboard and it was on 12s radar too.

All marriages start good but divorce usually ends poorly and this did . As I said I did not boo and funny Internet haterade guy was more polite by far then most 12s. It’s sports . I had no issue with anyones reaction . As for busting your bubble you said to me that I’m delusional if I thought my opinions on Russ were shared by a majority of fans . Well it was overwhelming Bob . You were incorrect . At least among 12s at that game . Whatever you think of it my position is easily in the majority . I’ll soften on Russ over time .He did so much on and off the field . I’ll always say he should have been co mvp of 48 along with the entire defense . But he made it an ugly ending here and he’s paying the price ..
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby obiken » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:19 am

Hawktawk wrote:An overwhelming majority of the fan base think Russ is the dick . Saying it was all on your shoulders on a 53 man roster is perceived as classless . Saying you went to a winning city . I said it would be on the blackboard and it was on 12s radar too.

All marriages start good but divorce usually ends poorly and this did . As I said I did not boo and funny Internet haterade guy was more polite by far then most 12s. It’s sports . I had no issue with anyones reaction . As for busting your bubble you said to me that I’m delusional if I thought my opinions on Russ were shared by a majority of fans . Well it was overwhelming Bob . You were incorrect . At least among 12s at that game . Whatever you think of it my position is easily in the majority . I’ll soften on Russ over time .He did so much on and off the field . I’ll always say he should have been co mvp of 48 along with the entire defense . But he made it an ugly ending here and he’s paying the price ..


Then a majority of the fan base are idiots. He made NW sports relevant for 10 years. Can you imagine what Aaron Rogers would have done if he found out that the Packers tried to trade him to the Browns? The Browns? He would have went off! He would have went crying to the media and demanded a trade publicly!! Brady would have went right to Kraft and demanded a trade to a good team because that's what he did over the Garoppolo deal! So get off Russ! What was Pete before Russ? Fired, Fired, and then 14-18 in Seattle and Matt Flynn at QB!
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby govandals » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:53 am

All this booing talk is ridiculous. People aren't dicks, classless or idiots because they booed RW. This is only sports, folks. Russ forced his way out, so I completely get why he was booed. Honestly, I was glad to see some balls and a little anger by the fans. Imagine if this was Philly, RW would probably have batteries thrown at him.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:35 am

As a whole we aren't sophisticated fans.
We should have cheered him when he stepped on the field then go crazy when the game started. But many fans, being at least partially liquored up and others who are morons
would never figure out the subtleties of such a move. It would have been a classy acknowledgement of a man that gave us a decade of unparalleled QB play in Seahawks history
which in and of itself is worthy of respect.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby RiverDog » Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:54 am

govandals wrote:All this booing talk is ridiculous. People aren't dicks, classless or idiots because they booed RW. This is only sports, folks. Russ forced his way out, so I completely get why he was booed. Honestly, I was glad to see some balls and a little anger by the fans. Imagine if this was Philly, RW would probably have batteries thrown at him.


The City of Brotherly Love once pelted Santa Claus with snowballs, so just think what they would have done had they been the team that traded away their franchise QB.

I was worried that something ugly might happen. In LA, a Giants fan was nearly beaten to death by a couple of Dodger fans. The Seattle PD was so concerned with fights breaking out at a Hawks-Niners game a few years back that they went undercover by wearing Niners jerseys. That's one of my objections to booing.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:18 pm

I wasn't that concerned about the booing. It's part the game. Most fans don't even know what's going on or why something was done and they don't care. They boo on cue, scream on cue, led by the crowd.

Some fans will act like jilted lovers like they have some personal beef crying about Russ should be loyal even when the team treats their athletes like disposable video game pieces they pay for while they work well and get rid of when they don't.

Some fans are fans of Russell the man, not just the player. So we still like him and always will.

I'm sure most of the fans will cheer him when he goes in the Ring of Honor and hopefully enters the Hall of Fame remembering the team he started with and won a Super Bowl with.

The wound of Russ leaving is fresh. Some fans are taking it pretty hard. They won't admit it, but they will miss having a great QB and view his loss as weakening their team and making us a non-contender even while they bluster we're somehow better with Russ gone. Like obiken said and Seattle fans have forgotten, Pete is 14 and 18 without Russ. There's a reason Pete Carroll decided a 3rd round, under-sized QB was going to lead his team for 10 mostly productive years. There's a reason that Russ took every Seattle productivity record from Hass and Mudbone during that ten year run. And there is a reason where running a new offense against a coach who knows his every tendency and is one of the best defensive minds in the game still gave up 340 yards to his former QB. Seattle fans are likely to feel that by season end and until we find a worthy replacement for Russ while he works and works to perfect the offense he is running in Denver including timing with his receivers.

We will relish this win. Our guys gave everything to get this win. But Russ still very much looked like Russ. Still had a 101 QB rating. Still threw for 340 yards. And he's just getting started in Denver. That was game one of a new offense and he missed the win literally by inches.

So anyone thinking Russ is done was a fool.
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Re: Hawks-Broncos game in progress

Postby Hawktawk » Wed Sep 14, 2022 12:31 pm

NorthHawk wrote:As a whole we aren't sophisticated fans.
We should have cheered him when he stepped on the field then go crazy when the game started. But many fans, being at least partially liquored up and others who are morons
would never figure out the subtleties of such a move. It would have been a classy acknowledgement of a man that gave us a decade of unparalleled QB play in Seahawks history
which in and of itself is worthy of respect.

Yeah 90 percent are idiots . Lol. I think Sherman’s right . This town has fans that are happy to be there . Some . Less then he thought . Jesus it’s sports . We know he was charitable , made great plays . He opted out and split the locker room as you can clearly see with DK trading jerseys and Baldwin sharing a gif of a drama queen batting her eyes on Twitter . It was addition by subtraction as I’ve repeatedly said . There was something about Russels public image vs his hardball push to leave that was worth booing . Hopefully it’s in Denver in a few weeks we might have the #1 if it is. I didn’t boo but it wouldn’t bother me if this is an utter failure .
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