Sympathy for Geno

[Hawktawk]

Geno played starter quality ball last year going 98 yards cold vs the world champs and scoring 10 points ,131 yards passing . 23 rush yards in a quarter . He faced the rams , the saints with the # 3 defense in the league , Pittsburgh who had 55 sacks last year . Geno can play . At least he could last year . Let’s see about this year . Hopefully he shuts up some loud super negative people .

[obiken]

Hes a backup folks, thats why Backups get hundreds of thousands and starters get millions, as Softy Mahler would say!

[Hawktawk]

Hes a backup folks, thats why Backups get hundreds of thousands and starters get millions, as Softy Mahler would say!

35 million for 6 wins . Such a deal .
Get ‘em Geno !!!!! Mutt Dog !

[I-5]

HT, your instincts for this game were right on...I knew Geno would show up and play much better than most fans trashing him gave him credit for, but even I was pleasantly surprised with some of the plays he made. Russ was good, but I think Geno played better for at least one night.

I counted one throw from Geno that looked like it could have been intercepted, while I saw 2 of Russ' throws and possibly a third as interceptable.

[Aseahawkfan]

I called this game closer than HT and no credit, I5? Just what I expect.

I knew Hackett was a lamer coach that would get out-coached by Pete. His time management sucked. His decision making sucked. He couldn't call up a play to put it in the end zone. He failed to put the ball in his best player's hands at the end of the game.

[RiverDog]

I called this game closer than HT and no credit, I5? Just what I expect.

I knew Hackett was a lamer coach that would get out-coached by Pete. His time management sucked. His decision making sucked. He couldn't call up a play to put it in the end zone. He failed to put the ball in his best player's hands at the end of the game.

Yeah, I'll give HT some kudos, too, although he was saying that we'd kick them to the moon and back, and that's not how the game went. Depending on your POV, one could say that we were extremely lucky to catch them early in the season.

As I said in the other thread, IMO the difference was that Hackett sat most of his starters during the preseason, and it showed on the field in the form of more penalties and an offense that couldn't get the plays in on time or the offense to the LOS promptly. Their disorganization was obviously a contributing factor to one of their goal line fumbles as they were hurrying to beat the play clock. Denver definitely had the more talented team, but we were a lot more prepared than they were. They also had piss poor clock management on their last drive then made a horrible decision to attempt a near record FG vs. picking up 5 yards with the entire playbook at the disposal and a veteran QB at the helm.

[Hawktawk]

I’ve been team Geno for the whole time but now Asea was closer on his prediction. After telling me over and over Geno sucks , it’s a pipe dream . But you did win the prediction. Welcome aboard the train . We’re going 2-0

[I-5]

I called this game closer than HT and no credit, I5? Just what I expect.

I knew Hackett was a lamer coach that would get out-coached by Pete. His time management sucked. His decision making sucked. He couldn't call up a play to put it in the end zone. He failed to put the ball in his best player's hands at the end of the game.

Sorry man, I don't follow threads here all the time, and didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Glad you called it, too. In hindsight it makes perfect sense that the team with a new coach, new QB, etc will be more discombobulated. Meanwhile, Geno knows the playbook inside and out. I like the way the team is being built, and will take the $7M backup QB for the year. I hope I don't have to hear the name "Drew Lock" for a while. We don't need a hero type QB the way he was slinging it in preseason. I'll take boring Geno now that we have an improving line and studs at WR and RB. Nice to see TE's scoring TD's.

[RiverDog]

I called this game closer than HT and no credit, I5? Just what I expect.

I knew Hackett was a lamer coach that would get out-coached by Pete. His time management sucked. His decision making sucked. He couldn't call up a play to put it in the end zone. He failed to put the ball in his best player's hands at the end of the game.

Sorry man, I don't follow threads here all the time, and didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Glad you called it, too. In hindsight it makes perfect sense that the team with a new coach, new QB, etc will be more discombobulated. Meanwhile, Geno knows the playbook inside and out. I like the way the team is being built, and will take the $7M backup QB for the year. I hope I don't have to hear the name "Drew Lock" for a while. We don't need a hero type QB the way he was slinging it in preseason. I'll take boring Geno now that we have an improving line and studs at WR and RB. Nice to see TE's scoring TD's.

In retrospect, ASF was right on about the coaching. I didn't think it would make that great of a difference, but I was wrong, it made a huge difference. They were having an awful time getting the team up to the LOS with some time left over on the play clock for Russell to read the defense and for Russell and the center to make their calls. Plus clock management was horrible. After the way they moved the ball up and down the field, I thought for sure that with 4 minutes left and all their timeouts and the 2 minute warning that they'd for sure get into makable FG range. But boy, what a cluster.

IMO Denver had much better talent than the Hawks had, as evidenced by them outgaining us by over 150 yards and running 15 more plays, but the turnovers, penalties, and mismanagement made all the difference.

[Aseahawkfan]

In retrospect, ASF was right on about the coaching. I didn't think it would make that great of a difference, but I was wrong, it made a huge difference. They were having an awful time getting the team up to the LOS with some time left over on the play clock for Russell to read the defense and for Russell and the center to make their calls. Plus clock management was horrible. After the way they moved the ball up and down the field, I thought for sure that with 4 minutes left and all their timeouts and the 2 minute warning that they'd for sure get into makable FG range. But boy, what a cluster.

IMO Denver had much better talent than the Hawks had, as evidenced by them outgaining us by over 150 yards and running 15 more plays, but the turnovers, penalties, and mismanagement made all the difference.

I believe my score call was closest too.

This seemed bit like the Tampa Bay vs Raiders Super Bowl. You had a coach who knew the opposing QB as well as you can know an opposing QB with every advantage.

1. Playing at home with the 12s in war mode.

2. Playing against a rookie head coach who has no film on your new defensive scheme.

3. Russ didn't have any real preseason play time with his new receiving corps.

It was obvious Pete had his defense training to stop a QB like Russ. Pete made sure not to let Russ run and keep him contained. You let Russ start gaining yards with his legs and your dead meat. Pete made sure the defense was watching.

All those advantages and we pulled off a 1 point win at home to start Denver with a loss which we will calculate what that loss means in draft position at the end of the year.

[Hawktawk]

You were doom and gloom until about a week or 2 out Asea . I been on the train for 6 months . I also pointed out the coach disparity . Except I didn’t just identify Hackett as a lightweight . I pointed out he’s gonna face a hall of Fame master motivator who will feed off the negativity towards the team and qb . I said Geno doesn’t suck and will put up a hell of an effort . Maybe you think Geno sucks but I heard his name being chanted last night .
He’s not a backup . He’s our starter . I was a lot more right then most on this forum or anywhere they talk hawks .

[RiverDog]

You were doom and gloom until about a week or 2 out Asea . I been on the train for 6 months . I also pointed out the coach disparity . Except I didn’t just identify Hackett as a lightweight . I pointed out he’s gonna face a hall of Fame master motivator who will feed off the negativity towards the team and qb . I said Geno doesn’t suck and will put up a hell of an effort . Maybe you think Geno sucks but I heard his name being chanted last night .
He’s not a backup . He’s our starter . I was a lot more right then most on this forum or anywhere they talk hawks .

The fact that you were "on the train for 6 months" does not speak well for your objectivity. We didn't even know who our starting QB was going to be back then.

[Hawktawk]

I’m sure I said it didn’t matter if it was Lock or Geno , we are winning week one . I said Pete will make it happen some way . Nobody knows Russ better . And beyond the stat line we dropped at least 2 picks and got stopped on 4th and 6” after a beautiful balanced drive or it’s a lot closer to my 27-13 prediction . Geno completed 23-28, 82%. Made some beautiful throws . Didn’t take the bait to air it out , looked off defenders perfectly and I think I saw as many tight throws in the middle as in several games of previous guy .
As of week 1 Geno smith had the third highest qbr in the national football league at 119 and the sixth highest total qbr in the national football league . I wonder how Mike Fn Sando has him ranked ? Still 36 out of 32? it’s bad when ol HT and Pete and KJ and a few other believers know more than people making a living doing it. Penny looks great too and would have been well over 100 if not for a couple hold calls. Looked explosive and fresh , caught the ball well for someone who can’t catch . Blocked well too as Genos 2 sacks were on him . Which leads to rookie tackles I said would play well
Immediately and they have .
I think my 10 win projection might be too conservative .

[RiverDog]

I’m sure I said it didn’t matter if it was Lock or Geno , we are winning week one . I said Pete will make it happen some way . Nobody knows Russ better . And beyond the stat line we dropped at least 2 picks and got stopped on 4th and 6” after a beautiful balanced drive or it’s a lot closer to my 27-13 prediction . Geno completed 23-28, 82%. Made some beautiful throws . Didn’t take the bait to air it out , looked off defenders perfectly and I think I saw as many tight throws in the middle as in several games of previous guy .
As of week 1 Geno smith had the third highest qbr in the national football league at 119 and the sixth highest total qbr in the national football league . I wonder how Mike Fn Sando has him ranked ? Still 36 out of 32? it’s bad when ol HT and Pete and KJ and a few other believers know more than people making a living doing it. Penny looks great too and would have been well over 100 if not for a couple hold calls. Looked explosive and fresh , caught the ball well for someone who can’t catch . Blocked well too as Genos 2 sacks were on him . Which leads to rookie tackles I said would play well
Immediately and they have .
I think my 10 win projection might be too conservative .

Geno and Lock were just two of the possibilities back then. There was also Baker Mayfield and Jimmy G. Additionally, Penny was already hurt and held out of OTA's and we hadn't drafted either of our starting tackles, both our safeties had undergone surgery, and Will Dissly had yet to be resigned. All we knew was that we were going to be without Russell Wilson, and you immediately started predicting a minimum of 10 wins with absolutely nothing to buoy your optimism other than Russell's departure.

As I said, that doesn't speak very well for your objectivity. You're basing your prediction on your emotions, specifically your personal dislike of Russell Wilson.

[Hawktawk]

Bull
I specifically called this game . No matter who suited up for Seattle . It was within a week of the schedule being released “we’re going 1-0” my reference to
Penny is just a reminder to all the delighted posters who bring up his injury history every chance they get , say stuff like he can’t catch or pass block . That guy is on a mission . He’s gonna make people eat crow only on this forum they can get flat out proven wrong they won’t admit it.

[obiken]

BullI specifically called this game . No matter who suited up for Seattle . It was within a week of the schedule being released “we’re going 1-0” my reference to
Penny is just a reminder to all the delighted posters who bring up his injury history every chance they get , say stuff like he can’t catch or pass block . That guy is on a mission . He’s gonna make people eat crow only on this forum they can get flat out proven wrong they won’t admit it.

I will, I was a Mile High wrong, no pun intended. But be honest, we were lucky. Russ drove them up and down the field and they had 2 fumbles on the GL, 0-4 in the red zone, and 116 yards in penalties, eliminate those and we are in a different conversation. 340 yards passing compared to 198, sorry Geno won Russ loss but if you think Geno is a better QB I cannot help you . IF the Niners lose this game they are off TL. So on 6 days on the road come on, is when the season really starts. HT as far as your hate of Russ and the fans booing, sorry I have covered that on other threads.

[Aseahawkfan]

If it makes you feel any better obiken, HT's BS score was wrong too, way wrong.

I was I believe the closest. Saw another guy on Field Gulls who called the exact score.

I was expecting to beat Denver. I don't think Denver is that good. I didn't see anyone on their roster that mind blowingly great players. Denver was about as I expected: two great RBs, decent secondary, and not much of a D-line. Denver was selling out to stop the run.

I don't think Frisco is that good either. They have a better D-line and Bosa is going to be bring the pain. But their best RB is out and they have as many issues at QB as we do. Trey Lance may be worse or equal to Geno. So Frisco could lay an egg, though Shanahan is unlikely to be as out-classed coaching as Nathaniel Hackett. And Frisco is at home. So that might be enough for Frisco to get the W. We shall see.

And Penny does look the strongest I've seen him ever. He looks healthy and aggressive and like he wants it bad. That should be good for us.

[RiverDog]

Bull
I specifically called this game . No matter who suited up for Seattle . It was within a week of the schedule being released “we’re going 1-0” my reference to
Penny is just a reminder to all the delighted posters who bring up his injury history every chance they get , say stuff like he can’t catch or pass block . That guy is on a mission . He’s gonna make people eat crow only on this forum they can get flat out proven wrong they won’t admit it.

I wasn't referring to the Broncos game as much as I was your bold, 10+ win prediction. Especially looking at it in retrospect after witnessing so many upsets in Week 1, predicting an upset over a team with a new coach, new QB, and on the road in their season opener wasn't as outrageous as it seemed earlier. Making the 10+ win call when you did had very little, if any, factual basis. It was mostly emotional, playing a hunch.

[obiken]

If it makes you feel any better obiken, HT's BS score was wrong too, way wrong.

I was I believe the closest. Saw another guy on Field Gulls who called the exact score.

I was expecting to beat Denver. I don't think Denver is that good. I didn't see anyone on their roster that are good, but no mind blowingly great players. Denver was about as I expected: two great RBs, decent secondary, and not much of a D-line. Denver was selling out to stop the run.
I don't think Frisco is that good either. They have a better D-line and Bosa is going to be bring the pain. But their best RB is out and they have as many issues at QB as we do. Trey Lance may be worse or equal to Geno. So Frisco could lay an egg, though Shanahan is unlikely to be as out-classed coaching as Nathaniel Hackett. And Frisco is at home. So that might be enough for Frisco to get the W. We shall see.
And Penny does look the strongest I've seen him ever. He looks healthy and aggressive and like he wants it bad. That should be good for us.

We have to agree to disagree on Denver. To me their O-line is not as strong as thought. Remember however, they are the only NFL team to have a new HC, OC, and QB, so their are bound to be some wrinkles. Hope your are right on Penny, I have just put too much faith in Penny to believe that he will last a whole season. Moreover, honest people admit their prejudices, I can't get past the fact that we could/should have drafted Nick Chubb instead. Waaaaaa!

[Aseahawkfan]

We have to agree to disagree on Denver. To me their O-line is not as strong as thought. Remember however, they are the only NFL team to have a new HC, OC, and QB, so their are bound to be some wrinkles. Hope your are right on Penny, I have just put too much faith in Penny to believe that he will last a whole season. Moreover, honest people admit their prejudices, I can't get past the fact that we could/should have drafted Nick Chubb instead. Waaaaaa!

You could be right. I think their offense can be special as they improve. Their RBs are no joke. Each one could start for any team. They basically have two starters who can catch and run. They could get rolling.

Their defensive line doesn't look quite as good to me.

Russ is going to take what happened on Monday and refine it like he did here where he and his receivers learn exactly where to place the ball. No one is looking at Rodgers and Green Bay putting up a big fat zero thinking that is going to be Rodgers every week. Russ won't be that bad in the red zone every week.

We are literally two fumbles and one catchable ball a TE didn't pull in and about 1 inch of a receiver getting a foot down of losing as Russ threw two near perfect passes to his receivers that could not be defended even with tight coverage. I'm betting that lack of touch don't last all season. I hope it does because I want a great draft pick from Denver, but I doubt it. Russ was not sulking after he left. He was probably already watching film on the plane, talking with his coach, and planning drills with his receivers to refine their red zone strategy.

[RiverDog]

We have to agree to disagree on Denver. To me their O-line is not as strong as thought. Remember however, they are the only NFL team to have a new HC, OC, and QB, so their are bound to be some wrinkles. Hope your are right on Penny, I have just put too much faith in Penny to believe that he will last a whole season. Moreover, honest people admit their prejudices, I can't get past the fact that we could/should have drafted Nick Chubb instead. Waaaaaa!

You could be right. I think their offense can be special as they improve. Their RBs are no joke. Each one could start for any team. They basically have two starters who can catch and run. They could get rolling.

Their defensive line doesn't look quite as good to me.

Russ is going to take what happened on Monday and refine it like he did here where he and his receivers learn exactly where to place the ball. No one is looking at Rodgers and Green Bay putting up a big fat zero thinking that is going to be Rodgers every week. Russ won't be that bad in the red zone every week.

We are literally two fumbles and one catchable ball a TE didn't pull in and about 1 inch of a receiver getting a foot down of losing as Russ threw two near perfect passes to his receivers that could not be defended even with tight coverage. I'm betting that lack of touch don't last all season. I hope it does because I want a great draft pick from Denver, but I doubt it. Russ was not sulking after he left. He was probably already watching film on the plane, talking with his coach, and planning drills with his receivers to refine their red zone strategy.

Both the Chiefs and Chargers, two teams that we'll have to face, looked really good in their openers, and the Raiders loss was to the Bolts, so Denver is going to be challenged to improve on their 7-10 record from last season. That could yield two picks in the top 40 next spring. Add those to our own selections and we could be well set for a relatively quick rebuild so as long as Pete and John don't go out and blow it by making another asinine trade and utilize them similar to how they did this past draft.

The Broncos have some good talent on their roster and the mistakes they committed against us are easily fixable so that assessment could change very quickly. They play the Texans at home next week, a game that they should be favored to win, then face off against the Niners on SNF a week later, which will be a good gauge to see how they progress.

[Hawktawk]

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BullI specifically called this game . No matter who suited up for Seattle . It was within a week of the schedule being released “we’re going 1-0” my reference to
Penny is just a reminder to all the delighted posters who bring up his injury history every chance they get , say stuff like he can’t catch or pass block . That guy is on a mission . He’s gonna make people eat crow only on this forum they can get flat out proven wrong they won’t admit it.

[quote="obiken"I will, I was a Mile High wrong, no pun intended. But be honest, we were lucky. Russ drove them up and down the field and they had 2 fumbles on the GL, 0-4 in the red zone, and 116 yards in penalties, eliminate those and we are in a different conversation. 340 yards passing compared to 198, sorry Geno won Russ loss but if you think Geno is a better QB I cannot help you . IF the Niners lose this game they are off TL. So on 6 days on the road come on, is when the season really starts. HT as far as your hate of Russ and the fans booing, sorry I have covered that on other threads.[/quote]

I dont care who was closest on this or that. I see Asea continuing to snipe at Genos performance, say hes a backup. Well our backup has completed 43 out of 51 passes, 82% for 4 TDs , no picks or turnovers, a cumulative QBR near 130 over his last 2 regular season starts. You didn't think 80% and 2 TDs against a bad team meant anything ? How about a really tough defense with rookie tackles?
Geno Smith (Mutt Dog) aint going anywhere

My biggest concern isn't our offense. We were a couple plays away from blowing them away. I worry about our interior run defense. We gave up 6 YPC. But as I PREDICtED MONTHS AGO and got laughed at . our rook tackles look fine. We have rookie tackles that are both huge men who run a sub 4.9. You cant coach that. I bet we are the only team in the league who can say we have that type of athleticism and size on the bookends. The rooks are doing great. Woolen is a freak. Honestly Obii I was a bit conservative at 10 wins I think. I see 2-0 in our near future than lets see.

[NorthHawk]

We know what Geno is and more importantly isn't.
He's a backup caliber QB without the ability to raise the level of his game to lift a team by himself which is often needed by QBs in the NFL.
He had a great 1st game, caught a team unprepared, but it gets tougher as teams figure out what we are doing and tendencies. This next
game in SF will be tougher than the last and the next possibly even tougher than that. I still believe Denver lost this game rather than us
winning it. Their Offense was far too rusty to play at the NFL level in important situations and a loud crowd.

[RiverDog]

We know what Geno is and more importantly isn't.
He's a backup caliber QB without the ability to raise the level of his game to lift a team by himself which is often needed by QBs in the NFL.
He had a great 1st game, caught a team unprepared, but it gets tougher as teams figure out what we are doing and tendencies. This next
game in SF will be tougher than the last and the next possibly even tougher than that. I still believe Denver lost this game rather than us
winning it. Their Offense was far too rusty to play at the NFL level in important situations and a loud crowd.

Yeah, not too many teams that turn the ball over at the goal line twice are going to come away winners.

This next game is going to be very interesting. Trey Lance is going to have to perform well. If he plays poorly again and they go 0-2, especially considering that they will have lost not only to us, but to another team not figured to be competitive in the Bears, their fans are going to go ballistic and they'll have a QB controversy on their hands, and this time, they won't have field conditions to blame his performance on. There's going to be a ton of pressure on Lance.

The Niners have a lot better defense than the Broncos had. This will be a much better yardstick by which to gauge our team.

[Hawktawk]

Oh Jesus now the Donkeys"a quarterback away from contending for a superbowl"with a 6.5 spread weren't a good yardstick with a 250 million QB who knew this stadium and coach better than anyone And to think I was being told I would ghost the forum or make excuses for losing. Excuse after excuse being made for denver instead of celebration .
Im up 4 laps on having a finger on the pulse of this team. You people are whistling in the graveyard trying to win an argument that we suck , Geno sucks instead of getting excited,what is wrong with you?

[NorthHawk]

If you want to crown them champions, then crown their ass! (to paraphrase a famous comment)
We know who we are and after 1 game there is some promise, but 1 game doesn't make a long season.
Be realistic and most people will agree with you, but being gifted a win doesn't make us a good team.

[obiken]

If you want to crown them champions, then crown their ass! (to paraphrase a famous comment)
We know who we are and after 1 game there is some promise, but 1 game doesn't make a long season.
Be realistic and most people will agree with you, but being gifted a win doesn't make us a good team.

Thank you!! 6 days rest and a team this Sunday that cannot afford to lose NH, good luck, we will need it.

[NorthHawk]

I hope we kick their butts but I expect a very difficult game.

[I-5]

being gifted a win doesn't make us a good team.

Excuse me....what gift? Hackett's dubious decision to kick? I don't agree with Hackett, but subconsciously he clearly didn't have confidence in their ability to gain a first down....how do you know if Russ would have converted 4th and 5? Maybe the younger Russ, but I've learned in the last few years to not expect too much on third and short conversions from our QB.

Give our players some credit, geez.

[Hawktawk]

If you want to crown them champions, then crown their ass! (to paraphrase a famous comment)
We know who we are and after 1 game there is some promise, but 1 game doesn't make a long season.
Be realistic and most people will agree with you, but being gifted a win doesn't make us a good team.

We stuffed them in the red zone . Russ was held to 2.5 yards per attempt on 44 throws . Geno threw 2 TDs to his 1 , completed 23-28 with 1 throwaway , 84% completion , 119 rating . His last 2 reg season games he’s over 80%. 3 of his last 4 nfl starts were over 70% . Too close a win? I remember in our super bowl year winning a game vs the rams where we had 6 first downs and 120 yards of offense and won on a 4th down stop at the goal line . And guess who the qb was ? We tied AZ 6-6 and our defense was on the field 120 plays . But it was all on one guys shoulders.

You people need to get your head up . We are going to be better by far then you think. My predicting has been better then yours by far .

[c_hawkbob]

being gifted a win doesn't make us a good team.

Excuse me....what gift? Hackett's dubious decision to kick? I don't agree with Hackett, but subconsciously he clearly didn't have confidence in their ability to gain a first down....how do you know if Russ would have converted 4th and 5? Maybe the younger Russ, but I've learned in the last few years to not expect too much on third and short conversions from our QB.

Give our players some credit, geez.

What gift? The game!, the whole game, not just because Hackett slammed the door on his own team at the end but if not for 2 fumbles by them inside the 1 yard line (you'll go broke betting on that kind of luck to repeat itself!) they would not have been in that situation in the first place. They outgained us in every single offensive category, Passing: 330-177, rushing: 103-76, Yards per play, total plays, Time of possession ... I'm sorry but if you can't acknowledge that we were a bit lucky to have won that you're just not being objective.

[Hawktawk]

Come on bob . I’d say we were luckier in the 2014 championship don’t you think ? It’s always luck . Russ is lucky we didn’t catch his balloons . Could have been picked 3 times . The backs got laid out which is why they fumbled . It’s red zone goal line defense . We made our luck . Maybe instead of focusing on the fumbles we caused we should ask why Hackett didn’t put the ball in Russels hands in those situations .
Weirdest thing I ever saw reading doom and gloom from fans of a winning team with a chance to shock the league .
They write us off but HT and Mutt and PC ain’t write back
GO HAWKS!!!!

[RiverDog]

Excuse me....what gift? Hackett's dubious decision to kick? I don't agree with Hackett, but subconsciously he clearly didn't have confidence in their ability to gain a first down....how do you know if Russ would have converted 4th and 5? Maybe the younger Russ, but I've learned in the last few years to not expect too much on third and short conversions from our QB.

Give our players some credit, geez.

What gift? The game!, the whole game, not just because Hackett slammed the door on his own team at the end but if not for 2 fumbles by them inside the 1 yard line (you'll go broke betting on that kind of luck to repeat itself!) they would not have been in that situation in the first place. They outgained us in every single offensive category, Passing: 330-177, rushing: 103-76, Yards per play, total plays, Time of possession ... I'm sorry but if you can't acknowledge that we were a bit lucky to have won that you're just not being objective.

I'm with C-bob on this one. I don't care how aggressive a defense is, fumbling at the one-yard line twice in the same game simply doesn't happen. The last time it occurred, and likely the only other time in the history of the league, was 35 years ago, in 1987:

The Broncos lost 2 fumbles on rushes from the 1-yard line tonight. The last team to do that in a game was the 1987 Chiefs in a Week 4 loss to the Raiders.

https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/statu ... fense.html

Plus one of those fumbles occurred when Denver was rushing to beat the play clock, something they had trouble with all night. Those are unforced errors, the Broncos shooting themselves in the foot. Same with the penalties. The Broncos had 12 of them. Then toss in a horrendously bad decision to attempt what would have been the longest field goal in an outdoor stadium not at high altitude in the history of the league instead of a 50/50 chance at converting a first down with 2 timeouts.

It's not refusing to give our players credit to acknowledge the fact that we caught some HUGE breaks, breaks that haven't happened in decades, let alone all in the same game. It was not only a gift, it was one presented to us on a silver platter.

But I'll take it. A win is a win.

[Aseahawkfan]

After the entire division lost on Sunday, I figured the football gods would be with us. Pete really wanted this win. He brought in former players that apparently don't like Russell including Sherm who coached up Tariq. Built the 12s up to bring the noise. Set up a game plan to counter and contain Russ. Everyone stepped up like this was a playoff game. You could see the hype after the game. Might be the best win of the season. We shall see.

[RiverDog]

After the entire division lost on Sunday, I figured the football gods would be with us. Pete really wanted this win. He brought in former players that apparently don't like Russell including Sherm who coached up Tariq. Built the 12s up to bring the noise. Set up a game plan to counter and contain Russ. Everyone stepped up like this was a playoff game. You could see the hype after the game. Might be the best win of the season. We shall see.

There's still 16 games left in the regular season plus the playoffs if we're fortunate enough to qualify. I hope Pete isn't getting these guys too jacked up for one game as he's not going to be able to do it week after week as the season drags on. I'd hate to see us peak after one game.

[I-5]

I wouldn't call it a gift when Denver had to go to a silent count the whole game, and we were able to jump the snap..which is how we got such great penetration, including BOTH fumbles which both happened in the backfield after the runner took big hits. Sometimes you're lucky, and sometimes you make your own luck. We did a little of both, thanks to the 12's and the football gods on that last kick.

I'm more disappointed that we dropped 2 INT's....Adams is clearly afraid of catching the football, and NIno usually catches balls like the one that fell through his fingers. You're welcome, Russ.

Back to the ill fated kick....what does it say that Hackett didn't think his QB could convert that final 4th and 5 with plenty of time?

[I-5]

After the entire division lost on Sunday, I figured the football gods would be with us. Pete really wanted this win. He brought in former players that apparently don't like Russell including Sherm who coached up Tariq. Built the 12s up to bring the noise. Set up a game plan to counter and contain Russ. Everyone stepped up like this was a playoff game. You could see the hype after the game. Might be the best win of the season. We shall see.

Totally agree. For a guy who likes to say during the week that no game is more important than the other (every game is a championship opportunity blah blah)..afterwards when he could bask in the win, you could tell this was CLEARLY more important than the others. He pulled out all the stops - and it worked.

[Hawktawk]

Without 12 we lose that game . As far as I’m concerned denver with Russ is a hell of a lot better then 9ers with Lance . But it’s an amazing win . As I’ve said a while our hall of fame coach can coach up mutts and make them believe in themselves and each other .
This win set a tone in Seattle and in Denver as well. Hackett is on the hot seat after 1 game . If the Texans and my favorite qb from last year Davis Mills somehow win Russels honeymoon will be over . Our draft pick might really get nice if that happens .

[RiverDog]

I wouldn't call it a gift when Denver had to go to a silent count the whole game, and we were able to jump the snap..which is how we got such great penetration, including BOTH fumbles which both happened in the backfield after the runner took big hits. Sometimes you're lucky, and sometimes you make your own luck. We did a little of both, thanks to the 12's and the football gods on that last kick.

I'm more disappointed that we dropped 2 INT's....Adams is clearly afraid of catching the football, and NIno usually catches balls like the one that fell through his fingers. You're welcome, Russ.

Back to the ill fated kick....what does it say that Hackett didn't think his QB could convert that final 4th and 5 with plenty of time?

One of those fumbles occurred when Denver was rushing to beat the play clock. They were out of sync the whole game. Even in a loud stadium, you don't see that kind of disorganization, ever. We caught them early, before they've had a chance to iron out the wrinkles. We got lucky.

That wasn't the first interception that Adams screwed up. He's not a ball hawk like Earl was. I don't know how to explain it. Not enough tip drills, I guess.

As far as your last paragraph, if I was Russell, I'd be burning up inside. Every quarterback dreams of a chance to win a game in that situation. They're ego driven or else they wouldn't be in that position, and that situation was as good as it gets for a QB. Hackett just plain choked. He wasn't thinking clearly, didn't have the right advice, or a combination of those two factors. It was his first game as an NFL head coach, another lucky break of which we were the beneficiary of.

In one area where I agree with HT on, I do think that Denver is overrated. I'm still seeing power rankings that have them at 12 or so. I don't think they improve on last season's 7-10 record, not in that division. They also have teams like the Titans, Niners, Rams, Ravens, and Colts, all of whom I see as being able to put a better product on the field. If they can't beat the Texans this weekend, we might be looking at a top 5 pick from them.

[Aseahawkfan]

Totally agree. For a guy who likes to say during the week that no game is more important than the other (every game is a championship opportunity blah blah)..afterwards when he could bask in the win, you could tell this was CLEARLY more important than the others. He pulled out all the stops - and it worked.

I've watched Pete for twelve years. There are some things I know even without Pete having to say it:

1. Russell hurt Pete's feelings wanting to leave like this. Pete invested a lot in Russ. Gave him his shot when everyone besides a handful of guys like Jon Gruden and Russ's college coach weren't sure about the move including many Seattle fans.

2. Pete is hyper-competitive and he wanted to send a message to Russ that he can win without him as a team. And he did.

3. Not sure what happened, but it was something that went wrong between Pete and Russ.

What I'm not sure about is how long this will go on. Maybe this desire to prove Russ wrong about not being able to win Pete's way will carry Pete a few years, who knows. Pete claims he doesn't need validation, but people who say they don't need validation usually need validation. Right now a lot of people are watching this Seattle situation because regardless of what Pete says, he hasn't won anything without Russ other than one 7-9 garbage division title and a New Orleans playoff game with Hass. And Russ hasn't won without Pete, so he has to show he can take his game on the road in a really tough division.

It's going to be interesting to watch.