Sympathy for Geno

[Hawktawk]

I know the subject has been addressed at length but the man is scheduled to start for my team I’ve rooted for over 4 decades . I can’t recall a Seahawks opening day starter subjected to such outright scorn , lack of support or encouragement . It’s remarkable . But understandable . We are replacing a GQ handsome articulate star kissed charmed life winner with an unattractive man of few words except intoxicated under arrest , a career loser .

But now is now .

So I have a serious question. Not sure there’s a right answer . But would you rather he fail then have to root for Geno ? Are you ashamed ? Would you be happy if he resurrected his career ? I’m serious . Not trying to start an argument . My view of Geno as a player is well known . That’s not the question . I just find it remarkable the level of negativity and bad karma being heaped on the guy for just trying to help us win . That’s all . Have a great day !!

[NorthHawk]

I think I can speak for most people. We just want wins, and sub par QB'ing doesn't aid in that goal.

I don't think anyone hates Geno. I think that most people are of the opinion that we need better QBs in our fold.
It's a QB driven league and when you start career backups the hill to climb gets much steeper. So like many of us,
I'm hoping we do well, but expect to be drafting in the top 5 or at least top 10 and hoping we get one of the better QBs in this draft.

The other thing that's going on is your constant Stanning for Geno based solely on hope and hunches. Those that oppose your posts
do so with the knowledge that neither of our QBs have ever demonstrated a continued ability to lead an NFL team. Sure they may
have a few good games here and there, but they haven't shown the ability to compete at the highest level for even a season. Therefore,
Geno isn't the long term answer. It's not about Geno. We know who he is as a QB, and no amount of BS thrown at us will change our minds,
but productivity will.

Even Pete - Mr. Positive - doesn't give Geno much of a vote of confidence. He handed Geno the job and at the end of the so called competition
stated the competition goes on. So he doesn't believe in Geno either.

[Hawktawk]

Pete believed in him more than Lock. And I believe he played starter quality last year . If that’s over the top oh well . I think if Pete and John didn’t think he could play we’d have had mayfield or Jimmy G . But again that’s not the point . The point is the sheer level of vitriol being unloaded on the coach , team and especially the qb . Never saw the 12s act quite like this. I guess the time to speculate is about over . Maybe Geno will have a great game and win some people over . Just hard to get past the feeling there are fans who would rather lose then have Geno as qb

[NorthHawk]

Wait for it. Pete has the same look on his face he had when he said that Irvin and Mayowa were good enough to be starting DE's.
He than panicked when they couldn't produce and traded the farm for Adams for some sort of Pass Rush.

I think he will repeathis move after a few games and give away a couple of 1sts to the 49ers for Jimmy G. or maybe some other QB that is currently
a backup like Minshew. That type of move will set us back 10 years, but Pete doesn't have that time so he will pull the trigger.

[Hawktawk]

Wait for it. Pete has the same look on his face he had when he said that Irvin and Mayowa were good enough to be starting DE's.
He than panicked when they couldn't produce and traded the farm for Adams for some sort of Pass Rush.

I think he will repeathis move after a few games and give away a couple of 1sts to the 49ers for Jimmy G. or maybe some other QB that is currently
a backup like Minshew. That type of move will set us back 10 years, but Pete doesn't have that time so he will pull the trigger.

We shall see . My optimism for Geno is rooted in recent statistics showing competent starter quality ability . In my opinion few share , clearly . My point with this particular thread is in part based on the lead pipe cinch opinion of yourself and most other fans , we will suck , Geno will suck . Pete’s a washed up coach with no clue who ran off Wilson. I’ve heard nobody say “ get ‘em Geno “ good luck coach Carroll ! Gee I hope Adams stays healthy because if he does he might pay off !!!”

No none of that .

There’s as glum an attitude as I’ve ever seen and I lived through 2-14. That’s my point here . Damn 12s get it up !!! We got a game to play !

[Aseahawkfan]

If Geno is here as a starter past a year or two, then we have utterly failed in the draft.

If Pete Carroll gets desperate in a down season and trades even a 3rd round pick for junkyard QB Jimmie G I am done with him. He will literally have to win a Super Bowl to get me back on board.

[Hawktawk]

If Geno is here as a starter past a year or two, then we have utterly failed in the draft.

If Pete Carroll gets desperate in a down season and trades even a 3rd round pick for junkyard QB Jimmie G I am done with him. He will literally have to win a Super Bowl to get me back on board.

I wouldn’t have been happy with either JG or BM being traded for .
As for Geno the rope isn’t long IMO. I think he’s week by week . If he starts here 2 years it will only be because he morphed into Rich Gannon which wouldn’t be a bad thing IMO. If he plays poorly he won’t last 2 games. But there’s the one other thing I’ve said over and over and that Pete adressed yesterday . He doesn’t care what the pundits are saying . He loves the team he has . He said of the opener , there’s nobody I know better , but he knows me too , he knows us . Seemed rather tight lipped.

I think if Geno turns to a pumpkin Pete is done . He has to be at least a 500 qb . Pete Carroll fate rests in the hands of the 22 roster . None more than the worst qb ever .

[obiken]

If Geno is here as a starter past a year or two, then we have utterly failed in the draft.

If Pete Carroll gets desperate in a down season and trades even a 3rd round pick for junkyard QB Jimmie G I am done with him. He will literally have to win a Super Bowl to get me back on board.

Why? There are a lot of QB's that are not Franchise solid but cannot win a SB. Cousins just being one of them.

[Aseahawkfan]

Why? There are a lot of QB's that are not Franchise solid but cannot win a SB. Cousins just being one of them.

Because until I see the defense, run game, and other components solid, I don't feel like inserting some trash QB for draft picks we can use to build a better team. Get the surrounding pieces in place, then if you want to insert some middling QB you think can Nick Foles or Trent Dilfer our way to Super Bowl, then so be it. We are not even close to in that position right now. I'd rather not trade away draft picks that might be quite high for some QB we know isn't the answer right now who will hit the free agent market next year likely we can get cheaper if we see a vastly improved team.

[Hawktawk]

And in other news Trey Lance is reportedly “ a bit upset “ about Jimmy getting a deal . It just shows you can take a first rounder all you want . It’s no guarantee . JG being signed puts that first 9ers game in the winnable column .

[jshawaii22]

No sympathy for Geno (or whomever the teams sends out), but it's real simple. Geno is not a starting QB in the NFL. Never was... The question begs, why is he here? It's not his fault that the team management has decided to make him the scapegoat for the upcoming season, but so be it.
What we need to do this year is pull an "Indy" and be able to tank enough to draft one of the top 2 or 3 QB picks, period. Anything less then one of the top QBs coming out will be a disaster that may take a decade to recover from.
Having Geno start puts us well on the way in that direction.

[Hawktawk]

No sympathy for Geno (or whomever the teams sends out), but it's real simple. Geno is not a starting QB in the NFL. Never was... The question begs, why is he here? It's not his fault that the team management has decided to make him the scapegoat for the upcoming season, but so be it.
What we need to do this year is pull an "Indy" and be able to tank enough to draft one of the top 2 or 3 QB picks, period. Anything less then one of the top QBs coming out will be a disaster that may take a decade to recover from.
Having Geno start puts us well on the way in that direction.

Like I say . It’s 95% negative on Geno . Maybe 99%. I think Geno 2021 never existed before . Although in his 4 seasons here he threw 5 passes in the regular season prior to last year . He completed 4 of them for 80 yards . Right now he’s putting about 80% of his throws on target . When we see the ones I think there may be some surprises . We will know soon .
It is just remarkable the level of pessimism and doom and gloom coupled with dislike of the player whether anyone realizes it or not .

[jshawaii22]

We're not playing in a video game, so we should have a pretty good idea by the end of September where we stand going forward.
Donkeys, 49ers, Atlanta and Detroit. If we're 2-2, then Geno's probably better then 'we' thought. But, if we're 1-3 or 0-4, then some like me will be outwardly upset with the 'team', but inwardly happy, knowing we have a chance to really suffer for a year or two to improve with the next draft. I'm looking at KC, Cincy, Buffalo, San Diego, that all have drafted high-end QB's recently turned around their teams. Going 7-9 just won't do it and expecting the next "Russell" is a pipedream and not reality.
In this last decade, the technology and software have made new super high-end digital tracking system models that map out every throw human statistic, every arm and leg movement and can analyze all the info has made the draft much more realistic.

While it will NEVER be perfect, because a human is involved, technology has made it a lot better then it used to be.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

No sympathy for Geno (or whomever the teams sends out), but it's real simple. Geno is not a starting QB in the NFL. Never was... The question begs, why is he here? It's not his fault that the team management has decided to make him the scapegoat for the upcoming season, but so be it.
What we need to do this year is pull an "Indy" and be able to tank enough to draft one of the top 2 or 3 QB picks, period. Anything less then one of the top QBs coming out will be a disaster that may take a decade to recover from.
Having Geno start puts us well on the way in that direction.

There’s a difference between tanking deliberately and competitively losing. I don’t think it is good for a team nor enjoyable for fans to tank for a season. Seattle has the draft capital next year to make moves for the QB they want. I’d much rather see a team playing to win every week and let the chips fall where they may.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree with Mack. Not real interested in tanking. My dream of getting the next Peyton Manning happens organically, preferably with Denver's pick.

[Hawktawk]

I agree with Mack. Not real interesting in tanking. My dream of getting the next Peyton Manning happens organically, preferably with Denver's pick.

And for the zillionth time Russ came in thr 3rd round . I saw someone mention the Indianapolis model : how did suck for luck really work out in the end . Never stop trying to win . I think it’s how Seattle sees it. Tanking isn’t in Pete’s DNA.

[RiverDog]

I agree with Mack. Not real interesting in tanking. My dream of getting the next Peyton Manning happens organically, preferably with Denver's pick.

And for the zillionth time Russ came in thr 3rd round . I saw someone mention the Indianapolis model : how did suck for luck really work out in the end . Never stop trying to win . I think it’s how Seattle sees it. Tanking isn’t in Pete’s DNA.

But the fact is that the higher the pick, the better the chance of landing your QBOTF.

BTW, "Suck for Luck" was a fan thing. It was not a philosophy adapted by the coaches. The HC, Jim Caldwell, lost his job at the end of the season, so there would have been zero motivation for him to 'tank', indeed, there was major motivation for him to win every game.

And for the zillionth time, intentionally losing any game isn't in any NFL coaches DNA. It is not exclusive to Pete. An owner, maybe, but not a head coach.

[Hawktawk]

And for the zillionth time Russ came in thr 3rd round . I saw someone mention the Indianapolis model : how did suck for luck really work out in the end . Never stop trying to win . I think it’s how Seattle sees it. Tanking isn’t in Pete’s DNA.

But the fact is that the higher the pick, the better the chance of landing your QBOTF.

BTW, "Suck for Luck" was a fan thing. It was not a philosophy adapted by the coaches. The HC, Jim Caldwell, lost his job at the end of the season, so there would have been zero motivation for him to 'tank', indeed, there was major motivation for him to win every game.

And for the zillionth time, intentionally losing any game isn't in any NFL coaches DNA. It is not exclusive to Pete. An owner, maybe, but not a head coach.[/quote]

Really conflicted about this QBOTF thing and the odds of it greatly improving the higher in the draft you select . I don’t know the actual stats that reflect it but how much better do top picks actually do? Goff , Wendz , Mariota , Mayfield . trubiski , Manziel . The list goes on and on . Cam was great for a while but he’s out of the league .

Last year was supposed to be this great qb class . One guy started , Mac Jones . Nobody knows if any of the rest of the guys are worth a damn . Sf was so confident they resigned JG. The dude in New York is more famous for hitting his moms BFF then anything he might ever do on the field . So in all of that it’s just a crapshoot unloading all that draft capital . Just a thought . I’d be happy to have the pick courtesy of the donkeys so we could find out .

[trents]

We are about where we are between the Hasslebeck era and the Russ W. era when Tevarius Jackson was our starting QB.

[I-5]

We are about where we are between the Hasslebeck era and the Russ W. era when Tevarius Jackson was our starting QB.

That sounds about right. Makes me wonder if that means there will be a Matt Flynn/Russell Wilson scenario to follow this offseason.

[RiverDog]

We are about where we are between the Hasslebeck era and the Russ W. era when Tevarius Jackson was our starting QB.

That sounds about right. Makes me wonder if that means there will be a Matt Flynn/Russell Wilson scenario to follow this offseason.

Agreed. The 2011 season, where we brought in TJack to fill the gap between Hass and Wilson, is a very good analogy. That season, we posted a 7-9 record and missed the playoffs, which IMO about what we can expect this season.

[trents]

Even so, Russ Wilsons don't come along very often. Neither do Wagners, Thomases and Chancelors. It takes a lot of things to lineup just right to get us where we once were.

[Old but Slow]

Personally, I like Geno, and have reasonable hope that he can be a starting QB in the league. He has always had the physical skills, he has leadership ability, and has the time and experience to become reliable. That said, I will be most irritated if the team does not take one of the QBs in the draft. If Geno shows well, we have trade bait, or a very good backup. He also could start another year (or most of the season) to allow the rookie to learn and get spot appearances.

I am against tanking to gain draft advantage. It can be done discretely, like not put the right guys on special teams. Just a small thing, but can be enough to lose a couple more. But, I don't think it is done much, and I don't see it matters much. I call it the fuddle factor. Golfers learn that if you worry about the water hazard you will hit it. The standings usually reflect a certain amount of fuddle factor, as teams outperform or underperform and suddenly Houston is in the playoffs. Well, yeah, that's a little extreme, but the argument stands. Hitting it in the water is akin to a team going into a game they should win but worrying that they won't. Injuries, upsets, and supernatural events affect the natural order of things, and suddenly the bottom is the top and...you know.

In other words, I would like to go all out to win, and if it costs us a vital draft slot, so be it.

[Hawktawk]

Personally, I like Geno, and have reasonable hope that he can be a starting QB in the league. He has always had the physical skills, he has leadership ability, and has the time and experience to become reliable. That said, I will be most irritated if the team does not take one of the QBs in the draft. If Geno shows well, we have trade bait, or a very good backup. He also could start another year (or most of the season) to allow the rookie to learn and get spot appearances.

I am against tanking to gain draft advantage. It can be done discretely, like not put the right guys on special teams. Just a small thing, but can be enough to lose a couple more. But, I don't think it is done much, and I don't see it matters much. I call it the fuddle factor. Golfers learn that if you worry about the water hazard you will hit it. The standings usually reflect a certain amount of fuddle factor, as teams outperform or underperform and suddenly Houston is in the playoffs. Well, yeah, that's a little extreme, but the argument stands. Hitting it in the water is akin to a team going into a game they should win but worrying that they won't. Injuries, upsets, and supernatural events affect the natural order of things, and suddenly the bottom is the top and...you know.

In other words, I would like to go all out to win, and if it costs us a vital draft slot, so be it.

I agree with this 100% it’s insulting to Geno comparing him to who TJack wound up being . I’m sure he never completed 80% in an NFL game although he was on a 1 and done Vikings team . He may in fact wind up with the same results . He may morph into NYJ Geno. But we don’t currently know a damn thing about the guy making his first start week 1 in 8 years as far as how he can play in 2022. If he can throw the ball there’s people who can do something with it . I certainly hope he’s successful but it could go either way and neither would shock me . But as far as game Geno has a higher ceiling then TJ. It’s all about the coach shedding the backup label and applying “ starter “ most can’t handle the pressure . We will know very soon .

[NorthHawk]

31 teams don't think he would be an upgrade for backup QB and 32 teams don' t think he's starter material including us.
It's why the competition goes on. We are looking for an upgrade at QB and even when he was on the market earlier in the year we didn't scramble to sign him.
Being a starting QB by default doesn't make a player better, it just shows the lack of options that a team has.

[Hawktawk]

31 teams don't think he would be an upgrade for backup QB and 32 teams don' t think he's starter material including us.
It's why the competition goes on. We are looking for an upgrade at QB and even when he was on the market earlier in the year we didn't scramble to sign him.
Being a starting QB by default doesn't make a player better, it just shows the lack of options that a team has.

I saw a recent starter ranking with Geno all the way up to 22!
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN NOR DO I OR ANYONE ELSE.
Its why they play the games.
GO HAWKS!

[RiverDog]

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN NOR DO I OR ANYONE ELSE.

That's true, but that's not how you've been talking. You've been talking in absolutes, telling anyone that we WILL beat the Broncos, that we WILL win a minimum of 10 games, and so on. Nearly everyone else has been stating their opinion as a prediction or an estimate.

[Hawktawk]

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YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN NOR DO I OR ANYONE ELSE.

“ That's true, but that's not how you've been talking. You've been talking in absolutes, telling anyone that we WILL beat the Broncos, that we WILL win a minimum of 10 games, and so on. Nearly everyone else has been stating their opinion as a prediction or an estimate.[/quote]


Obviously mine is a prediction too . Nobody’s a soothsayer . I have no crystal ball . But I’ve played , coached , broadcasted and studied the game over 4 decades . It’s no 5:5 win team if guys stay healthy and Geno doesn’t just suck .

If that’s the record fire Pete . They would have greatly underachieved and Pete would agree .

As for Geno he played like a competent starter last year and showed good accuracy and decision making ability in preseason ( Per Pff ) nobody knows what’s gonna happen . Everything is critical for success but if we get out of week 1 at 1-0 look out . 538 has Geno 29 but that’s about 7 spots ahead of Lance and even further ahead of Mariota we see week 3 . I could see 3-0. Or 0-3 . But I wonder if Seattles opponents are going to be so busy laughing at us they can’t play the way the media and self loathing fans are acting

[trents]

There is a fine line between negativity and realism. And another fine line between positivity and pollyannaism.

[Hawktawk]

There is a fine line between negativity and realism. And another fine line between positivity and pollyannaism.

That’s why they play the games . Paul Moyer took the over on the 5.5, said he doesn’t know what a successful year will look like whether it be 8 9 10 11 or 12 wins. “ definitely take the over “ KJ expects us to compete . I guess they are pollyannas too?

GO HAWKS! I feel like the year I met whatsyrprob. Shock the world !

[trents]

I hope Moyer and KJ are correct. But they are in house team spokesmen and obligated to be positive. They are certainly painting a rosier picture of the Hawks chances of doing well than the rest of the media.

[Hawktawk]

I hope Moyer and KJ are correct. But they are in house team spokesmen and obligated to be positive. They are certainly painting a rosier picture of the Hawks chances of doing well than the rest of the media.

Yeah I’ve seen them be quite critical too . Wyman is excited , doesn’t know quite what to expect . Those closest to this team are definitely more cautiously optimistic then national outlets . I think they are sincere . They don’t want to look foolish . It’s really about the qb. KJ practiced against him on scout team 2 years , swears by his 2 minute drill . Called him an intellectual which I wouldn’t have thought at all . It’s about Geno either being decent at minimum or sucking so bad so fast they yank him and Drew morphs into Josh Allen or we ain’t hitting the over . And we must run .

I’ll say the same thing I said about Harvin on air before 48. “Nobody’s talking about Harvin “.
Well “ nobody’s talking about Penny either “
Let’s see.

[RiverDog]

I hope Moyer and KJ are correct. But they are in house team spokesmen and obligated to be positive. They are certainly painting a rosier picture of the Hawks chances of doing well than the rest of the media.

Yeah I’ve seen them be quite critical too . Wyman is excited , doesn’t know quite what to expect . Those closest to this team are definitely more cautiously optimistic then national outlets . I think they are sincere . They don’t want to look foolish . It’s really about the qb. KJ practiced against him on scout team 2 years , swears by his 2 minute drill . Called him an intellectual which I wouldn’t have thought at all . It’s about Geno either being decent at minimum or sucking so bad so fast they yank him and Drew morphs into Josh Allen or we ain’t hitting the over . And we must run .

Point is, my friend, that you wrap your arms and legs around these local guys that give predictably positive responses, yet you dismiss the national media guys by saying "they don't watch very much film" or some other way of dismissing their opinions in favor of the ones that more closely align with that of your own.

[Hawktawk]

I hope Moyer and KJ are correct. But they are in house team spokesmen and obligated to be positive. They are certainly painting a rosier picture of the Hawks chances of doing well than the rest of the media.

Yeah I’ve seen them be quite critical too . Wyman is excited , doesn’t know quite what to expect . Those closest to this team are definitely more cautiously optimistic then national outlets . I think they are sincere . They don’t want to look foolish . It’s really about the qb. KJ practiced against him on scout team 2 years , swears by his 2 minute drill . Called him an intellectual which I wouldn’t have thought at all . It’s about Geno either being decent at minimum or sucking so bad so fast they yank him and Drew morphs into Josh Allen or we ain’t hitting the over . And we must run .

“
Point is, my friend, that you wrap your arms and legs around these local guys that give predictably positive responses, yet you dismiss the national media guys by saying "they don't watch very much film" or some other way of dismissing their opinions in favor of the ones that more closely align with that of your own.[/quote]

I agree with them due to what my eyes tell me . My instincts too . We might be all wet . Time will tell . I’ll be a monkeys uncle if this team wins 5 games unless every key guy gets hurt . As it pertains to Geno I don’t think they have studied his 2021 games much at all nor have most fans . He can actually play quite well at times and I really hope defenses say well that’s just Geno smith .
Bottom line if they come in and roll us up like a cheap joint , embarrass us and Russ goes off Pete is a dead man walking , a lame duck week 1. If it’s close and Denver wins I don’t know . Depends on what it looks like I guess . If we win a game we are nearly a 7 point home dog in look out NFL. Prediction turned upside down .
So let’s see.

[I-5]

Common sense (and stats back it up) show that Geno since arriving in Seattle, is fairly accurate (74% completion rate), can throw long (10% of plays are 20+ yards), takes decent care of the ball (1 INT vs 5 TDs and 100 pass attempts), and isn't much of a run threat. He may not win you a game like Russ would, but he probably won't lose you the game either. So I do think if we win it will have to be through the run game, defense, and special teams. Stafford will throw more TD's than Geno, but will also throw more picks...I'm pretty confident in that.

[Hawktawk]

Common sense (and stats back it up) show that Geno since arriving in Seattle, is fairly accurate (74% completion rate), can throw long (10% of plays are 20+ yards), takes decent care of the ball (1 INT vs 5 TDs and 100 pass attempts), and isn't much of a run threat. He may not win you a game like Russ would, but he probably won't lose you the game either. So I do think if we win it will have to be through the run game, defense, and special teams. Stafford will throw more TD's than Geno, but will also throw more picks...I'm pretty confident in that.

Those Geno stats are a bit more than game manager stats last few years . But he hasn’t been a week 1 starter in 8 years and what he did against good defenses last year was still playing with house money knowing Russ was coming back .

There was the quickly deleted tweet after Russ got shut out “ id like to vent but it’s not safe “. Well Monday he can vent . It’s another crazy angle to the game . Russ the 50 million man against his dog meat backup that was robbed of several starts by a vain selfish glory hog .
It’s why they play the games . He could flop or he could throw for 350 and 3 touchdowns . He can run too . 2 rushing TDs in 17 quarters . I’m really as fascinated to see what happens with both QBs as anything else in the game .

[Aseahawkfan]

Common sense (and stats back it up) show that Geno since arriving in Seattle, is fairly accurate (74% completion rate), can throw long (10% of plays are 20+ yards), takes decent care of the ball (1 INT vs 5 TDs and 100 pass attempts), and isn't much of a run threat. He may not win you a game like Russ would, but he probably won't lose you the game either. So I do think if we win it will have to be through the run game, defense, and special teams. Stafford will throw more TD's than Geno, but will also throw more picks...I'm pretty confident in that.

That is not common sense at all. Common sense would tell you 3 games isn't anything to base a season on, especially when the most important stat which I guess you're filling in for HT ignoring is he went 1 and 2.

Geno literally has lost us games. He went 1 and 2. Your stat line is based on 13 quarters of "great play" led to a 1 and 2 record. He literally did lose us games due to an inability to keep up with opposing QBs by playing an overly conservative game. He lost two of the three games he started. If you're the QB, you lose your team games if you can't step up and put points on the board to stay ahead of the other team. That is your job as a QB. He doesn't do that job.

Just unreal how much some fans twist stats into some favorable narrative that is just not true. There is no such thing as a QB who doesn't "lose you games" because they play careful ball. There are QBs that give you a great chance to win and those that hinder the team you don't want to keep them around too long as starters. If the run game isn't working and Geno has to "win" the game, he's going to lose us a lot of games because he can't step up and win.

I guess you joined HT's club, which is probably why you defended his BS attacks Russell Wilson.

[I-5]

That is not common sense at all. Common sense would tell you 3 games isn't anything to base a season on, especially when the most important stat which I guess you're filling in for HT ignoring is he went 1 and 2.

Geno literally has lost us games. He went 1 and 2. Your stat line is based on 13 quarters of "great play" led to a 1 and 2 record. He literally did lose us games due to an inability to keep up with opposing QBs by playing an overly conservative game. He lost two of the three games he started. If you're the QB, you lose your team games if you can't step up and put points on the board to stay ahead of the other team. That is your job as a QB. He doesn't do that job.

Just unreal how much some fans twist stats into some favorable narrative that is just not true. There is no such thing as a QB who doesn't "lose you games" because they play careful ball. There are QBs that give you a great chance to win and those that hinder the team you don't want to keep them around too long as starters. If the run game isn't working and Geno has to "win" the game, he's going to lose us a lot of games because he can't step up and win.

I guess you joined HT's club, which is probably why you defended his BS attacks Russell Wilson.

By your logic, Russ literally lost us 8 games to 6 wins (the Rams loss belongs to Russ since he played the worse part in it). I’m basing his stats on the 3 full games he did play, because that is the most relevant indication of where he is. For example, his TD/TO was much different before Seattle. so clearly the coaching style has changed his approach, and he talks about it as well. We’ll have freah stats this year. I know 2 new trends: our pass pro will be better, and Geno probably not hold onto the ball as long as Wilson.

[Aseahawkfan]

By your logic, Russ literally lost us 8 games to 6 wins (the Rams loss belongs to Russ since he played the worse part in it). I’m basing his stats on the 3 full games he did play, because that is the most relevant indication of where he is. For example, his TD/TO was much different before Seattle. so clearly the coaching style has changed his approach, and he talks about it as well. We’ll have freah stats this year. I know 2 new trends: our pass pro will be better, and Geno probably not hold onto the ball as long as Wilson.

Russ won us a Super Bowl and was competitive for most of his 10 seasons. You're not using logic, so stop pretending you are. Logic is basing your player assessment off years of competitive play, not 3 games where you ignore that you lost 2 of them. Geno is a career loser and even when he took over for three games, he went 1 and 2. Guys who take three games of which we lost 2 and try to extrapolate that into a season of "success" are trying to sell used lemons to the Seahawk fan base.

You don't know our pass protection will be better. You don't know anything about this team or what it will look like against starting NFL competition. No one does.

You don't know Geno worth a crap. You ignored the 13 sacks in 13 quarters. He was sacked once a quarter. He will hold onto the ball because he's afraid of turnovers because Pete hates turnovers. Russell was holding onto the ball to make plays. Geno will hold on to the ball to avoid turnovers.

I'm not going to continue this with fans who want to ignore inconvenient facts like Geno losing more than he won playing the "best football of his career" or that he held on to the ball as well to avoid turnovers taking one sack per quarter he played. Believe what you want and when reality sets in and you see that Geno isn't close to the answer and isn't a competitive starting QB, then the threads will start stating as much and waiting for us to draft a real competitive starting QB.

I will not at all be surprised if Pete's head is being called for by midseason.

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Russ won us a Super Bowl and was competitive for most of his 10 seasons. You're not using logic, so stop pretending you are. Logic is basing your player assessment off years of competitive play, not 3 games where you ignore that you lost 2 of them. Geno is a career loser and even when he took over for three games, he went 1 and 2. Guys who take three games of which we lost 2 and try to extrapolate that into a season of "success" are trying to sell used lemons to the Seahawk fan base.

You don't know our pass protection will be better. You don't know anything about this team or what it will look like against starting NFL competition. No one does.

You don't know Geno worth a crap. You ignored the 13 sacks in 13 quarters. He was sacked once a quarter. He will hold onto the ball because he's afraid of turnovers because Pete hates turnovers. Russell was holding onto the ball to make plays. Geno will hold on to the ball to avoid turnovers.

I'm not going to continue this with fans who want to ignore inconvenient facts like Geno losing more than he won playing the "best football of his career" or that he held on to the ball as well to avoid turnovers taking one sack per quarter he played. Believe what you want and when reality sets in and you see that Geno isn't close to the answer and isn't a competitive starting QB, then the threads will start stating as much and waiting for us to draft a real competitive starting QB.

I will not at all be surprised if Pete's head is being called for by midseason.

Why so wound up? Chill.

Who said Geno was the answer? You're dreaming if you think I said that.