Jimmy G to Seattle

[c_hawkbob]

Yes it makes him easier to trade. No it won't be to Seattle. Seems to me not wanting him to go somewhere within the division is why they chose to maintain control of where he can go.

[TriCitySam]

Jimmy G is probably going to end up in NY. Pete is tanking but cannot say he is tanking. I think is done no matter what anyway.

Not in his or any coaches DNA to tank. If Pete wanted to tank, then he would start Eason and be done with it.

[NorthHawk]

Yes it makes him easier to trade. No it won't be to Seattle. Seems to me not wanting him to go somewhere within the division is why they chose to maintain control of where he can go.

Possibly, but Seattle overpaying with a couple of 1st round picks a la Adams could assuage those concerns. Overpaying for players that aren't in the plans for other teams seems to be a theme here (Harvin, Graham, and Adams).

[RiverDog]

Jimmy G is probably going to end up in NY. Pete is tanking but cannot say he is tanking. I think is done no matter what anyway.

Not in his or any coaches DNA to tank. If Pete wanted to tank, then he would start Eason and be done with it.

I agree with Sam. It is not in their DNA. Coaches are every bit as ego driven as the players they coach. Don't think for a minute that they don't want to maximize their W/L record, nor do they want to be tagged as being a loser even if it's just for one season. It's like committing a sacrilege. If a story were to break that Pete didn't try his best to win every game, he could kiss goodbye any hopes of ever wearing a gold jacket.

Secondly, with very, very few exceptions, like Belichick, NFL coaches can't afford to 'tank', or intentionally lose games because it might be their last season, especially in Pete's case where he had a losing season last year, missed, the playoffs, then traded a very popular player. Our fan base is very spoiled, and unlike Lions or Jets fans, we're not used to a head coach posting consecutive losing seasons. Our 12's would become extremely agitated, sales will decline, and the pressure on our owner to cut bait would be enormous.

And lastly, coaches know that there is very little to gain by moving up just 3-4 slots in the draft, certainly not enough for them to risk losing their job. The draft is too big of a crap shoot to justify such a gamble.

[Hawktawk]

I think it’s Asea that pointed out Pete has never won less then 7 games in his career with 3 franchises . He won a playoff game with a backup. He won beast quake . He’s not tanking , has no intention of it . Geno smith is the win now guy and I am mystified by the utter lack of respect for his potential and the guy starting him. It’s not the best team but not the worst . It’s not the best qb but he’s one hell of a lot better than you are giving him credit for . as I say it’s hard to believe there aren’t people rooting for the guy to fail the hatred in your heart .
I’ll stand with Pete and KJ rather than all the geniuses .

[c_hawkbob]

"Seattle wanted him, and San Francisco knew it," former NFL executive Michael Lombardi said on the "Pat McAfee Show" Tuesday morning. "There was no trade market out there. Cleveland was never interested in him. Seattle was never interested in Baker Mayfield, but they were interested in Jimmy. I know that the 49ers were worried about cutting Jimmy and having him go to Seattle."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers ... eD0_-VstBw

As I figured.

[Hawktawk]

Seattle wanted him, and San Francisco knew it," former NFL executive Michael Lombardi said on the "Pat McAfee Show" Tuesday morning. "There was no trade market out there. Cleveland was never interested in him. Seattle was never interested in Baker Mayfield, but they were interested in Jimmy. I know that the 49ers were worried about cutting Jimmy and having him go to Seattle."[/quote]

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers ... eD0_-VstBw

As I figured.[/quote]
A few things here . For one just cause a reporter says it doesn’t make it true . But let’s say it is . Why would the 9ers be afraid of a dog meat cellar dweller with no talent and a 32 ranking in every category ? They have the second coming of Russ in Trey Lance who they think is better then a guy they are afraid of on a worse team . My bet Kyle Shanahan is very wary of the Seahawks whoever is behind center . We own him lately .

[RiverDog]

"Seattle wanted him, and San Francisco knew it," former NFL executive Michael Lombardi said on the "Pat McAfee Show" Tuesday morning. "There was no trade market out there. Cleveland was never interested in him. Seattle was never interested in Baker Mayfield, but they were interested in Jimmy. I know that the 49ers were worried about cutting Jimmy and having him go to Seattle."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers ... eD0_-VstBw

As I figured.

A few things here . For one just cause a reporter says it doesn’t make it true . But let’s say it is . Why would the 9ers be afraid of a dog meat cellar dweller with no talent and a 32 ranking in every category ? They have the second coming of Russ in Trey Lance who they think is better then a guy they are afraid of on a worse team . My bet Kyle Shanahan is very wary of the Seahawks whoever is behind center . We own him lately .

First off, it's a little more credible source than just "a reporter". It's a former NFL executive that's being quoted.

Secondly, although it's true that we're not estimated by most to be a legitimate contender, we did beat them twice last season, plus at 30 years old, Garoppolo could come back to haunt them for several years to come. Garoppolo has been the 49'ers starting QB for 5 full seasons. No team is going to want to send someone that that kind of intimate knowledge about their team to a divisional foe.

[Hawktawk]

I caught Wyman and bob today . They spoke with the 9ers ESPN beat reporter . He said they thought the browns might be a destination or perhaps Seattle but Seattle had shown “zero” interest in a trade along with the rest of the league . He said they ultimately resigned him as an insurance policy . We will never know what level of interest Seattle had if any but they certainly weren’t chomping at the bit . I think the 9ers have an issue in the qb room . I think we’re going 2-0

[RiverDog]

I caught Wyman and bob today . They spoke with the 9ers ESPN beat reporter . He said they thought the browns might be a destination or perhaps Seattle but Seattle had shown “zero” interest in a trade along with the rest of the league . He said they ultimately resigned him as an insurance policy . We will never know what level of interest Seattle had if any but they certainly weren’t chomping at the bit . I think the 9ers have an issue in the qb room . I think we’re going 2-0

I agree with everything except for the Niners QB room part, and I don't think we're going 2-0 against them.

[Hawktawk]

We will be 2-0 after week 2 when we beat them. Who knows about the rematch

[RiverDog]

We will be 2-0 after week 2 when we beat them. Who knows about the rematch

There ya go, ObS!

[Old but Slow]

I thought he would be at eleven by now, River.

Although I sometimes disagree, I value having Hawktawk stirring things up in here and his unceasing fandom is refreshing. Misguided, perhaps, but relevant.

[RiverDog]

I thought he would be at eleven by now, River.

Although I sometimes disagree, I value having Hawktawk stirring things up in here and his unceasing fandom is refreshing. Misguided, perhaps, but relevant.

Oh, I agree completely. Love that guy!

[Hawktawk]

What if I’m right ? Already have been whether I like it or you do. I been watching long enough to know stuff happens . Prognosticators miss . I see week one as VERY winnable on paper although paper doesn’t play a snap . I think the 9ers qb room is officially a mess . I see no way this doesn’t hurt Lances development and divide a team that’s already split on the qb situation. . I read a report a few weeks ago that said Jimmy is still the favorite of many players . Let’s just say I think we’re catching the first 2 at a good time . If we’re 0-2 after these. We’re as bad as you all say .

[RiverDog]

What if I’m right ? Already have been whether I like it or you do. I been watching long enough to know stuff happens . Prognosticators miss . I see week one as VERY winnable on paper although paper doesn’t play a snap . I think the 9ers qb room is officially a mess . I see no way this doesn’t hurt Lances development and divide a team that’s already split on the qb situation. . I read a report a few weeks ago that said Jimmy is still the favorite of many players . Let’s just say I think we’re catching the first 2 at a good time . If we’re 0-2 after these. We’re as bad as you all say .

Every game is winnable on paper.

The state of the Niners QB room depends on whether or not they're winning. They start the season with what 'on paper' are two VERY winnable games, against the Bears and against us, two teams ranked in the bottom 1/4 by most credible sources.

[Hawktawk]

What if I’m right ? Already have been whether I like it or you do. I been watching long enough to know stuff happens . Prognosticators miss . I see week one as VERY winnable on paper although paper doesn’t play a snap . I think the 9ers qb room is officially a mess . I see no way this doesn’t hurt Lances development and divide a team that’s already split on the qb situation. . I read a report a few weeks ago that said Jimmy is still the favorite of many players . Let’s just say I think we’re catching the first 2 at a good time . If we’re 0-2 after these. We’re as bad as you all say .

Every game is winnable on paper.

The state of the Niners QB room depends on whether or not they're winning. They start the season with what 'on paper' are two VERY winnable games, against the Bears and against us, two teams ranked in the bottom 1/4 by most credible sources.[/quote]

Not all sources . But I see the line for MNF is up to 6.5 on the road . Wow . Qb hasn’t taken a hit since chandler Jones laid him out and strip 6ed him 9 months ago . Baby brand new coach .
I guess it must be Geno , ranked # 100 out of 32 our veteran HOF caliber coach starting his 100 however many in the home opener with an offense nobody knows what to really expect from . I’m sincere in my convictions that from an athletic and mechanical perspective Geno is capable of greatly exceeding expectations . It’s between the ears , the bounces, the calls . The guys around him .

But clearly the question is the QB. But it was no different last year and I said so right on this forum , just the guy was supposed to be the difference . Geno is supposed to not screw it up . Anything more will be a bonus and I think there’s more . If I’m wrong I fold the tent and start talking about how long we will suck along with you all .

[Aseahawkfan]

Every game is winnable on paper.

The state of the Niners QB room depends on whether or not they're winning. They start the season with what 'on paper' are two VERY winnable games, against the Bears and against us, two teams ranked in the bottom 1/4 by most credible sources.

I think a lot of games look like losers on paper, but winnable just because of the nature of the NFL. On paper our team does not look great. Geno is not a starting caliber QB. We have a running back who had a 4 to 5 game run that saved his career at the end of the year. We have two great WRs. MLB seems solid. Diggs is good and Adams is good. After that, we have a bunch of question marks that will be good once the real games start.

My biggest concern is still the D-line. They do not look stout at the point of attack. And the pass rush looks very suspect. I don't see a guy on our roster that requires double teams pass rushing, so we'll likely have to use pressure packages that will compromise our pass coverage by rushing five. We can hope Taylor has stepped up some and can be that guy.

[RiverDog]

Every game is winnable on paper.

The state of the Niners QB room depends on whether or not they're winning. They start the season with what 'on paper' are two VERY winnable games, against the Bears and against us, two teams ranked in the bottom 1/4 by most credible sources.

I think a lot of games look like losers on paper, but winnable just because of the nature of the NFL. On paper our team does not look great. Geno is not a starting caliber QB. We have a running back who had a 4 to 5 game run that saved his career at the end of the year. We have two great WRs. MLB seems solid. Diggs is good and Adams is good. After that, we have a bunch of question marks that will be good once the real games start.

Honest question: I haven't looked at him real close, but I wasn't impressed at all with Cody Barton during the preseason. I take it that you feel differently. Why?

My biggest concern is still the D-line. They do not look stout at the point of attack. And the pass rush looks very suspect. I don't see a guy on our roster that requires double teams pass rushing, so we'll likely have to use pressure packages that will compromise our pass coverage by rushing five. We can hope Taylor has stepped up some and can be that guy.

They seem spotty, that's for sure.

[obiken]

ASHF, I would hardly call our WR's Great, good okay, but great thats a bit of a reach. No one on defense is even good IMHO. JA is the lone exception. The rest either have potential or are slot fillers. To me that spells 6 wins at best.

[Aseahawkfan]

Honest question: I haven't looked at him real close, but I wasn't impressed at all with Cody Barton during the preseason. I take it that you feel differently. Why?

Jordyn Brooks is our starting MLB as far as I can recall. Barton is going to fill the other inside linebacker who positions like like a WLB. Isn't that how we're doing it? Jordyn Brooks is a tackling machine. Barton is just ok.

[Aseahawkfan]

ASHF, I would hardly call our WR's Great, good okay, but great thats a bit of a reach. No one on defense is even good IMHO. JA is the lone exception. The rest either have potential or are slot fillers. To me that spells 6 wins at best.

I think DK and Tyler are a great tandem. We'll see for sure this year. Russell tends to make any receiver group look good. We'll see if Geno can do that over a 17 game season if he lasts. They could both regress substantially with Geno throwing to them as teams get more tape on Geno and game plan specifically for his strengths and weaknesses.

[RiverDog]

Honest question: I haven't looked at him real close, but I wasn't impressed at all with Cody Barton during the preseason. I take it that you feel differently. Why?

Jordyn Brooks is our starting MLB as far as I can recall. Barton is going to fill the other inside linebacker who positions like like a WLB. Isn't that how we're doing it? Jordyn Brooks is a tackling machine. Barton is just ok.

I deleted all of my preseason recordings and didn't pay that close of attention to the live games, but it seems to me that Barton was playing a lot of MLB, or the ILB closest to the center. He didn't look good, couldn't get off blocks. I don't think Brooks played at all during the preseason, at least I don't see his name in any of the snap count summaries.

But I agree about Brooks' ability. This could be his breakout season. Lord knows we're going to need someone to step up.

[Aseahawkfan]

I deleted all of my preseason recordings and didn't pay that close of attention to the live games, but it seems to me that Barton was playing a lot of MLB, or the ILB closest to the center. He didn't look good, couldn't get off blocks. I don't think Brooks played at all during the preseason, at least I don't see his name in any of the snap count summaries.

But I agree about Brooks' ability. This could be his breakout season. Lord knows we're going to need someone to step up.

From what I understand is Brooks didn't play because his position is not in question. He's the new Bobby. He will run the LB crew and make calls on defense. I imagine Jamal Adams will do the same for the secondary.

[RiverDog]

I deleted all of my preseason recordings and didn't pay that close of attention to the live games, but it seems to me that Barton was playing a lot of MLB, or the ILB closest to the center. He didn't look good, couldn't get off blocks. I don't think Brooks played at all during the preseason, at least I don't see his name in any of the snap count summaries.

But I agree about Brooks' ability. This could be his breakout season. Lord knows we're going to need someone to step up.

From what I understand is Brooks didn't play because his position is not in question. He's the new Bobby. He will run the LB crew and make calls on defense. I imagine Jamal Adams will do the same for the secondary.

I assumed that Brooks would be an OLB as he seems to fit that mold.

[Aseahawkfan]

I assumed that Brooks would be an OLB as he seems to fit that mold.

Brooks is not a rush backer. Not sure why would play outside in this scheme. He's a read, fill the gap, and make the tackle backer. He might be ok in coverage. He was why the FO felt comfortable releasing Wagner.

[RiverDog]

I assumed that Brooks would be an OLB as he seems to fit that mold.

Brooks is not a rush backer. Not sure why would play outside in this scheme. He's a read, fill the gap, and make the tackle backer. He might be ok in coverage. He was why the FO felt comfortable releasing Wagner.

Brooks was supposed to be KJ's heir apparent, so I assumed that he'd be playing OLB. But I understand that this is a new scheme, so who knows. I guess we'll find out this Monday.

[Aseahawkfan]

Brooks was supposed to be KJ's heir apparent, so I assumed that he'd be playing OLB. But I understand that this is a new scheme, so who knows. I guess we'll find out this Monday.

Monday can't get here soon enough. One thing about these rebuilds, they make you want to watch to see what happens...as long as you don't end up a bottom feeder with a ton of bad rooks and injuries.

[NorthHawk]

In the 3-4, both Brooks and Barton are ILB's and Brooks looks to me like he could be a good MLB in a 4-3.
Barton has never really excelled in my eyes. I think he's shown flashes at times but he often looks lost or out of place.
Regarding the OLB's, Taylor, Mafe, Nwosu, and Robinson are all listed as LBs and clearly they are Edge players so I expect they are considered OLBs.

[RiverDog]

In the 3-4, both Brooks and Barton are ILB's and Brooks looks to me like he could be a good MLB in a 4-3.
Barton has never really excelled in my eyes. I think he's shown flashes at times but he often looks lost or out of place.
Regarding the OLB's, Taylor, Mafe, Nwosu, and Robinson are all listed as LBs and clearly they are Edge players so I expect they are considered OLBs.

Yeah, that makes sense. I share your concerns about Barton. If he starts, he's definitely going to be the weak link in the LB corps. He seems to get lost in the wash on a lot of plays. With the exception of Barton, the LB corps looks solid on paper.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah, that makes sense. I share your concerns about Barton. If he starts, he's definitely going to be the weak link in the LB corps. He seems to get lost in the wash on a lot of plays. With the exception of Barton, the LB corps looks solid on paper.

Brooks looks like the only higher performer. Taylor looks solid. The rest I don't know about. Someone listed Mafe as only having a 6.5% win percentage when rushing the passer. He got a few sacks, but as we all know sacks are only part of the equation of determining if you can consistently pressure the QB.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, that makes sense. I share your concerns about Barton. If he starts, he's definitely going to be the weak link in the LB corps. He seems to get lost in the wash on a lot of plays. With the exception of Barton, the LB corps looks solid on paper.

Brooks looks like the only higher performer. Taylor looks solid. The rest I don't know about. Someone listed Mafe as only having a 6.5% win percentage when rushing the passer. He got a few sacks, but as we all know sacks are only part of the equation of determining if you can consistently pressure the QB.

Not sue where you found the 6.5% win percentage. Here's what PFF had him ranked at in college:

Pro Football Focus ranked Mafe No. 2 on its list of potential breakout players for 2021. They cited his 21.7 percent win rate on pass rushes, which ranks sixth in Power 5 since 2018.

Mafe is a heck of an athlete, ran a 4.53 40 at the combine with a 40" vertical jump, and was a bit of a late bloomer at Minnesota, had a breakout season as a senior then had a terrific Senior Bowl week. I'm pretty excited about him. Here's PFF's scouting report prior to the draft:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/boye ... port-2022/

After seeing him track down a very athletic Kenny Pickett on a critical 4th down play vs. the Steelers, I'm pretty excited about him.

[Aseahawkfan]

Not sue where you found the 6.5% win percentage. Here's what PFF had him ranked at in college:

Pro Football Focus ranked Mafe No. 2 on its list of potential breakout players for 2021. They cited his 21.7 percent win rate on pass rushes, which ranks sixth in Power 5 since 2018.

Mafe is a heck of an athlete, ran a 4.53 40 at the combine with a 40" vertical jump, and was a bit of a late bloomer at Minnesota, had a breakout season as a senior then had a terrific Senior Bowl week. I'm pretty excited about him. Here's PFF's scouting report prior to the draft:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/boye ... port-2022/

After seeing him track down a very athletic Kenny Pickett on a critical 4th down play vs. the Steelers, I'm pretty excited about him.

This is a 6.5% win rate in the preseason, not from college. That seems to be a college scouting report, not how he rated against NFL players in the preseason.

https://twitter.com/SmartfootbalI/status/1563184324102750209

I hope Mafe works out. Between his early injury and the preseason win rate, he might start slow. I guess we'll see. We know how brutal the lines are in the NFL. 300 lb. men ramming into each other. Tough life in the NFL on a D or O-line.

[RiverDog]

Not sue where you found the 6.5% win percentage. Here's what PFF had him ranked at in college:

Pro Football Focus ranked Mafe No. 2 on its list of potential breakout players for 2021. They cited his 21.7 percent win rate on pass rushes, which ranks sixth in Power 5 since 2018.

Mafe is a heck of an athlete, ran a 4.53 40 at the combine with a 40" vertical jump, and was a bit of a late bloomer at Minnesota, had a breakout season as a senior then had a terrific Senior Bowl week. I'm pretty excited about him. Here's PFF's scouting report prior to the draft:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/boye ... port-2022/

After seeing him track down a very athletic Kenny Pickett on a critical 4th down play vs. the Steelers, I'm pretty excited about him.

This is a 6.5% win rate in the preseason, not from college. That seems to be a college scouting report, not how he rated against NFL players in the preseason.

https://twitter.com/SmartfootbalI/status/1563184324102750209

I hope Mafe works out. Between his early injury and the preseason win rate, he might start slow. I guess we'll see. We know how brutal the lines are in the NFL. 300 lb. men ramming into each other. Tough life in the NFL on a D or O-line.

I thought that might have been the case, but I couldn't find it.

It was a pretty small sample size as Mafe didn't get a whole heck of a lot of snaps. He didn't play in the last game vs. the Cowboys (most of the projected starters were held out), he had 27 vs. the Bears or 38%, and 44 vs. the Steelers for 65%.

In any event, if you look at his profile and see how fast he's matured, he has one heck of an upside.

[NorthHawk]

All of the rookies are in the “potential “ stage of the evaluation process. We’ll know in a few games whether there is
really hope for solid careers but expect a few bumps along the way.

[Hawktawk]

I believe we hit a historical type draft and 22 class . I believe there is talent to make noise immediately and be championship caliber soon . We all know the position we have to fix . As for Barton he looked solid in relief last 3 weeks last year . I’ll say it once more . Is Hurrts new scheme working ? He talked a good game . We will see when all the starters go all the way but it’s my biggest concern.

[NorthHawk]

I believe we hit a historical type draft and 22 class . I believe there is talent to make noise immediately and be championship caliber soon . We all know the position we have to fix . As for Barton he looked solid in relief last 3 weeks last year . I’ll say it once more . Is Hurrts new scheme working ? He talked a good game . We will see when all the starters go all the way but it’s my biggest concern.

When teams change schemes on either side of the ball, it usually means a change in personnel who have natural abilities in the new schemes. Do we have that here? We're about to find out but we didn't
change a lot of players on Defense.

[RiverDog]

I believe we hit a historical type draft and 22 class . I believe there is talent to make noise immediately and be championship caliber soon . We all know the position we have to fix . As for Barton he looked solid in relief last 3 weeks last year . I’ll say it once more . Is Hurrts new scheme working ? He talked a good game . We will see when all the starters go all the way but it’s my biggest concern.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'historical' draft, but if it comes anywhere close to our 2012 draft when we picked up Bobby Wagner in the 2nd and Russell Wilson in the 3rd, I'll be happy.

[obiken]

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'historical' draft, but if it comes anywhere close to our 2012 draft when we picked up Bobby Wagner in the 2nd and Russell Wilson in the 3rd, I'll be happy.

Those drafts are luck and rare especially for Pete River, and you know it. Riv OT question, why does the season start so late for the NFL? Why wait a week after the Pre-Season. Money, they dont want to go head on head with CFB season start, or injuries?

[RiverDog]

OT question, why does the season start so late for the NFL? Why wait a week after the Pre-Season. Money, they dont want to go head on head with CFB season start, or injuries?

A long time ago, I read or heard something to the effect that the reason the NFL doesn't start their season earlier is because they have a gentleman's agreement with MLB to leave them the Labor Day weekend.