Wilson to the Broncos

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I don't believe Russell Wilson was trying to dictate. Anyone can see this team is not what it used to be and the HC and GM aren't replenishing lost talent. If Russ lost faith in the HC's and GM's ability to build the team to win and Pete and John still have the power to decide they're more right than the QB, then the parting was mutual. Right now Pete and John still have the power even though they have been the ones losing year after year after year and Pete is the one approved the call that lost them the second Super Bowl and has to sign off on all the trades. Pete runs the team. It's what he had placed in his contract as part of his agreement to come back to the NFL. No one but the owner can override Pete.

Not the GM. Not the QB. Not anyone in the Seattle organization. The power structure in Seattle is Owner then Pete Carroll.

So this idea that Russ was trying to dictate is not accurate. Pete runs the show, top to bottom. It's why when John Schneider doesn't agree, they have to meet the owner because the owner is the only one who can say no to Pete Carroll, the GM John Schneider cannot say no without the owner's approval.

I don't know why anyone at this point doesn't understand the Seahawks power structure when Pete talked about it when he first signed his contract with Seattle. He is the Seahawks right now. He signs off on everything with no one but the owner over him.

When are the fans going to set the failure where it belongs? That is with the head coach and Executive VP of Football Operations Pete Carroll. The show starts and stops with Pete.

I don't know man; Russel hasn't been the same either. I've taken to the saying he's more about the fame and less about the game now. I feel like we haven't seen the same Russ over the last few years that we saw over the first half of his career. He wants a championship again? Then maybe he shouldn't have thrown that pass to Lockette the way he did. Maybe he shouldn't hold the ball so long. Maybe he shouldn't ignore the open short to middle routes or telegraph wide receiver screens that become pick sixes.

No, I'm not denying the level of play and success he's brought to the Seahawks, but something has been off, and he seems to be refusing to recapture his earlier form, and he is becoming more and more about what he wants. That is what happens with top tier QBs, but the early playoff exits can be attributed to his lack of clutch play. I think he's of a mind that a team owned by a Hall of Fame QB will give him the say that he wants in the offense, so he can achieve what he wants without being held back by what the Seahawks wanted. I wish him well, but he can't keep up his style of play in Denver. If he doesn't start buying into to a balance offense that works all parts of the field, he'll struggle in Denver too.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

And I'm not knocking last season; a broken middle finger on your throwing hand would screw up anybody, but that 2020 playoff game against the Rams was just awful. That was the type of game he used to find a way to win; instead, he looked lost.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't know man; Russel hasn't been the same either. I've taken to the saying he's more about the fame and less about the game now. I feel like we haven't seen the same Russ over the last few years that we saw over the first half of his career. He wants a championship again? Then maybe he shouldn't have thrown that pass to Lockette the way he did. Maybe he shouldn't hold the ball so long. Maybe he shouldn't ignore the open short to middle routes or telegraph wide receiver screens that become pick sixes.

No, I'm not denying the level of play and success he's brought to the Seahawks, but something has been off, and he seems to be refusing to recapture his earlier form, and he is becoming more and more about what he wants. That is what happens with top tier QBs, but the early playoff exits can be attributed to his lack of clutch play. I think he's of a mind that a team owned by a Hall of Fame QB will give him the say that he wants in the offense, so he can achieve what he wants without being held back by what the Seahawks wanted. I wish him well, but he can't keep up his style of play in Denver. If he doesn't start buying into to a balance offense that works all parts of the field, he'll struggle in Denver too.

Blaming the 3rd year QB for following orders in the Super Bowl not great. A coach with a young QB in his 3rd year in the NFL and his second Super Bowl should never put his younger players in a bad position to start with. They are going to follow orders like a machine at that point. If you set up a bad play, then you set up your players for a bad outcome.

I don't agree with your assessment of Russ. Russ has been all about business preparing in the offseason like he always does and not missing game. He was the only reason we have even been competitive. Imagine this team without Russ at QB? Where do you think they would have been since 2017? Getting a high draft pick with a crap record or competing in the playoffs?

People are about to find out what life is like without at high performing QB who keeps you competitive even when your defense and run game fall off a cliff. Seattle fans have forgotten the T-Jack, Whitehurst, and Flynn years when we were 7-9 and the like. They're about to remember them.

You know what's going to happen if Pete doesn't find a QB quick? Well, Pete's thrown every one in the organization in front of him to escape blame for the current state of the Seahawks. He's fired his O-coordinator. Fired multiple D-coordinators. Got rid of the players who got pissed at him. He has had fans use the injury excuse. Now he got rid of the supposedly problematic QB who was what? Preventing us from winning?

Now it's all on him. No excuses. Barring Pete and John finding a QB really quick, Seattle fans are about to find out who was really holding this team together and keeping us in the playoffs. It wasn't Pete Carroll and John Schneider.

[RiverDog]

And I'm not knocking last season; a broken middle finger on your throwing hand would screw up anybody, but that 2020 playoff game against the Rams was just awful. That was the type of game he used to find a way to win; instead, he looked lost.

Yeah, that was the clincher for me with regards to my faith in Russell. He was horrible. And the thing of it was that we had beaten that very same team a few weeks earlier. I felt like I had been sold a bill of goods from some snake oil salesman after that game.

The game this past season that reinforced my feelings that Russell had lost it was at home against the Titans. As it turned out, that was the fork in the road as far as our 2021 season went.

Russell will always remain one of my all time favorite Seahawks, but I sure didn't like the way things ended.

[NorthHawk]

In that game with the Rams we were dominated on both sides of the ball.
Not only were we out played but out coached too. It really exposed how bad we
were compared to other playoff teams.
I think along with an unimaginative Offense, Pete’s style to keep things close then
charge hard to win in the end behind Wilson. Eventually the magic wears out or
Wilson got tired of it. I think that was expressed last year when told Pete wants to win 23-17
with a last minute TD and Wilson replied why don’t we score 23 in the first half?

[mykc14]

Green Bay has been bending over backwards to keep their diva QB happy for a decade. Pete bristled at doing similarly with a somewhat less of a diva QB of his own. The difference is in a coaching philosophy and which side the owners come down on.

I'd still rather have dumped Pete and kept Russ.

I agree, I would rather have Russ than PC, at the same time how many SB's have the Packers won in the last 10 years?

[Hawktawk]

I’m with Mack. He’s not the same guy on or off the field . FYI just watched his liar liar pants on fire utterly nauseating presser where he pushed back on Seattle saying it was his wish to be traded and said it was definitely mutual. Talking about all the great players and coaches he has now . Such a lying weasel . If that were true JS would have taken the kings ransom from the bears . I never thought anything including a trade would make me not like Russ but phony is an understatement. I’ll put it on mute when he’s at the podium from now on .

Now a Asea this is for you and Obiken and anyone else who sees Russ as blameless . The play in 49 was a bad call . Second down pass maybe not but that play ? No . However Russ at the end of his 3rd season , 30+ wins 80 plus TDs maybe 20 picks . He’s a pro . We lost ultimately because he threw a hanging curve ball far in front and way too high and soft , the only way Butler has a chance . Ultimately he lost the game . There’s never been enough accountability for Russ. In the end he gave the ball away at the one yard line in the Super Bowl .

And as for his current game I’m with Mack as well. Ignores the middle of the field , bails on plays and spins out of the pocket leading to sacks . Sees the rush not the field . Long ball or punt . Worst 3rd down pass % in the league . No clutch gene to be found . My wake up call was the Rams playoff game last year as well and when he started whining about getting hit I said trade him now . Well? Good luck Denver

[Hawktawk]

In that game with the Rams we were dominated on both sides of the ball.
Not only were we out played but out coached too. It really exposed how bad we
were compared to other playoff teams.
I think along with an unimaginative Offense, Pete’s style to keep things close then
charge hard to win in the end behind Wilson. Eventually the magic wears out or
Wilson got tired of it. I think that was expressed last year when told Pete wants to win 23-17
with a last minute TD and Wilson replied why don’t we score 23 in the first half?

11-29 with a pick 6 ain’t the fault of anyone but the little dictator . And Donald spent half the game on the bench . You are so blinded by Russ Love . He was awful . Tired of hearing you need to get him all these pieces . 35 million dollar a year guys are supposed to elevate their team . Russ doesn’t anymore and he whines and shifts blame . Totally different person on and off the field than 2012 .

[Agent 86]

Blaming the 3rd year QB for following orders in the Super Bowl not great. A coach with a young QB in his 3rd year in the NFL and his second Super Bowl should never put his younger players in a bad position to start with. They are going to follow orders like a machine at that point. If you set up a bad play, then you set up your players for a bad outcome.

I don't agree with your assessment of Russ. Russ has been all about business preparing in the offseason like he always does and not missing game. He was the only reason we have even been competitive. Imagine this team without Russ at QB? Where do you think they would have been since 2017? Getting a high draft pick with a crap record or competing in the playoffs?

People are about to find out what life is like without at high performing QB who keeps you competitive even when your defense and run game fall off a cliff. Seattle fans have forgotten the T-Jack, Whitehurst, and Flynn years when we were 7-9 and the like. They're about to remember them.

You know what's going to happen if Pete doesn't find a QB quick? Well, Pete's thrown every one in the organization in front of him to escape blame for the current state of the Seahawks. He's fired his O-coordinator. Fired multiple D-coordinators. Got rid of the players who got pissed at him. He has had fans use the injury excuse. Now he got rid of the supposedly problematic QB who was what? Preventing us from winning?

Now it's all on him. No excuses. Barring Pete and John finding a QB really quick, Seattle fans are about to find out who was really holding this team together and keeping us in the playoffs. It wasn't Pete Carroll and John Schneider.

It's the million dollar question isn't it Asea. And we are about to find out. I am not saying I know the answer. Pretty sure I know which way you are going, I just encourage you to keep an open mind on it. Someone will be there to play QB for the Seattle Seahawks. I agree in that I have said multiple times Russ was the only one keeping us afloat in many many games, but maybe that notion had some flaws.

I joked last week when the trade went down to my buddies that I told em give me a week and I will be talking sh*t about Russ. Gotta say I am over the trade, logo before player, and will never cheer for him again. Pete and John are still here and although yeah I agree they have not performed well the last 5 years, they are the ones in charge of turning this around. What better way than trading away the the most important position player when he really didn't want to be here, and I think after last offseason, they didn't want him here either.

[Aseahawkfan]

I know the answer. I don't know why it's so hard for anyone to see. NFL is such an easy game to understand. It is so easy you could teach a 10 year old how to build a winning NFL team.

It's hard to execute. The fact is teams that want to compete on a yearly basis have to have the QB position solidified. You don't necessarily need a world beater, but you need reliable, mid to upper tier QB production. The better your QB, the easier it is to make the playoffs.

We've seen the Seahawks with an amazing defense with Cortez Kennedy and that group do absolute crap because they had no QB.

We've seen teams not so great still make the playoffs with just high quality QB play.

It's clear as day to anyone that has been watching the NFL for ages.

You still need more than a QB to win the Super Bowl, but boy, if you want to compete yearly the QB is the most important position.

[NorthHawk]

11-29 with a pick 6 ain’t the fault of anyone but the little dictator . And Donald spent half the game on the bench . You are so blinded by Russ Love . He was awful . Tired of hearing you need to get him all these pieces . 35 million dollar a year guys are supposed to elevate their team . Russ doesn’t anymore and he whines and shifts blame . Totally different person on and off the field than 2012 .

Me in love with Wilson?
You're sounding like a jilted school girl, so knock it off.
The fact is Pete Ball boxed in his creativity. He wasn't allowed to go outside of the parameters of Pete's view of how to play Offense.
He saw how Brady and Rodgers and Mahomes get to have input and how their Offenses are designed to take advantage of their QB's
and other players on Offense's talents. Pete's Offense restricts the OC from doing that. If you don't believe me, listen to the Greg
Olsen interview with Colin Cowherd and he spells it out. Wilson would suggest plays against teams defenses and the coaches would
say no, we can't do that it's too dangerous. That has to frustrate a QB who has the talent and aspirations to be far better than he
is allowed to be. So he forced his way out. And I don't blame him.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I’d have more sympathy for the above if I didn’t observe the following:

1. Teams figured out Let Russ Cook. He only saw more success that season when he played bad pass defenses.
2. Even in Pete’s offensive philosophy, there were multitudes of opportunities for Russel to make completions, advance the ball, and score points.

Wilson is a capable talented quarterback who could have made hay within Pete’s philosophy. He made had made plenty of hay in Pete’s philosophy. He thinks he can do better with his desired style. I think he wants bigger plays and bigger numbers. Cool, dude. Go get yours, and I wish you the best. Just don’t fall in love with stats. You’ll be remembered for winning.

[Agent 86]

I know the answer. I don't know why it's so hard for anyone to see. NFL is such an easy game to understand. It is so easy you could teach a 10 year old how to build a winning NFL team.

It's hard to execute. The fact is teams that want to compete on a yearly basis have to have the QB position solidified. You don't necessarily need a world beater, but you need reliable, mid to upper tier QB production. The better your QB, the easier it is to make the playoffs.

We've seen the Seahawks with an amazing defense with Cortez Kennedy and that group do absolute crap because they had no QB.

We've seen teams not so great still make the playoffs with just high quality QB play.

It's clear as day to anyone that has been watching the NFL for ages.

You still need more than a QB to win the Super Bowl, but boy, if you want to compete yearly the QB is the most important position.

I 100% agree with that notion. I guess I am a bit of a self proclaimed pollyanna when it comes to my 2 teams (Seahawks and Montreal Canadiens). I just think that Pete and John are going to find that QB. It might even be Drew Lock. That's the pollyanna in me. We definitely traded away one of those types of QB's and that sucks but it doesn't mean they won't find a suitable replacement and I believe they will. They once built a Super Bowl winning team and then had subsequent trouble maintaining it. My hope is now that they are back to the "building" stage and their #1 QB is gone which is the most important part, they are back in their element and will succeed again. But the trade they made has the potential to blow up in their face if they don't find that guy, and quick.

Btw, because I am bit of a pollyanna, I do enjoy reading your posts. Sometimes it's like a cold hard slap to my face of reality of what is really going on or at the very least you give me the other side of how I am thinking. Plenty of others on here do that as well, it's still the only message board I actually post on. Great crowd in here.

[Hawktawk]

I’d have more sympathy for the above if I didn’t observe the following:

1. Teams figured out Let Russ Cook. He only saw more success that season when he played bad pass defenses.
2. Even in Pete’s offensive philosophy, there were multitudes of opportunities for Russel to make completions, advance the ball, and score points.

Wilson is a capable talented quarterback who could have made hay within Pete’s philosophy. He made had made plenty of hay in Pete’s philosophy. He thinks he can do better with his desired style. I think he wants bigger plays and bigger numbers. Cool, dude. Go get yours, and I wish you the best. Just don’t fall in love with stats. You’ll be remembered for winning.

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How good is Russ at reading the field and functioning in a complex offense in the first place ? I heard JS talking about what he wants in a qb after having drafted Wilson . He said things like keeping eyes downfield , feeling the rush but not seeing it . He talked about how the qb needed to be able to move the scales , be a difference maker . When Russ was young he had what I call shark eyes , dead eyes . Fearless . Houdini . He threw it all over the field to whoever was open . He excelled under the blitz with a qbr that was higher under pressure than not . But that was then and this is now . A year ago he said he was tired of getting hit and it’s how he plays now . In what was his last game in Seattle he failed to account for an uncovered chandler Jones but still pulled down the ball and took a strip 6 . Then he wheeled out and overthrew Homer by a yard leading to in effect a pick 6. His contribution was a net 7 in a 38 30 win . Another great example was the end of the Titans game . After a torrid first half the offense stalled and the defense got gassed . But in overtime the D held and got Mr Clutch the ball . I’m thinking money time like everyone . But then a careless sideline throw out of bounds to Lock with DK open at the sticks . Then overthrow DK. Then on 3rd Wilson takes the snap and the left edge guy was coming free and that guy was all Russ saw as he spun out and got sacked on the 1, in effect losing the game. I rewound the play and made 2 observations . One was that he had more time than I thought in real time . Plenty to at least throw it away but the other observation was that Homer was wide open in the right flat waving his arms all alone . But Russ never saw him even though it was to his right side because he was looking at the rush . Then when PC said he wished Russ had helped there , at least change field position Russ popped off at him , took no blame . Same with Chicago . A total lack of situational awareness by a 10 year vet franchise QB. So how much should he have to do with designing game plans ? Good luck Denver .

[Aseahawkfan]

Russ only matters to us for one more year and we want to see Denver lose and lose big.

[NorthHawk]

It seems that our FO initiated the trade to the Broncos according to PFT:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... son-trade/

[c_hawkbob]

It seems that our FO initiated the trade to the Broncos according to PFT:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... son-trade/

No surprise here. I can see the team lying through their teeth long before I can see Russ doing so.

[Hawktawk]

It seems that our FO initiated the trade to the Broncos according to PFT:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... son-trade/
No surprise here. I can see the team lying through their teeth long before I can see Russ doing so.

Oh please let’s play word games . Russ has wanted out for at least 2 years . He’s been whining about his teammates not being good enough for at least 3 . His agent leaked teams a year ago , and it’s already been reported that Russels “ team” conducted a 14 team survey rating various factors and Denver came out on top. So as Jodi Allen personally said “ we wanted people who were on board “. So much for she’s a potted plant . His teammates said he checked out and his play showed it this year . Took 35 million and dogged it . SO, when it was clear his preferred destination was Denver JS and the organization granted the little dictator his wish . Anyone who thinks this happened for any other reason than Russ wanted out is utterly delusional regardless of the meat and potatoes of how it went down in the end . I see Carr has Devante Adams to exact his revenge. 9 wins watch the playoffs on TV is my guess .

[c_hawkbob]

Nothing you said made a dent in what I said, at all.

[govandals]

Nothing earth shattering in that article. Hawks initiated trade talks because Russ wanted to go there. Pretty much end of story.

[RiverDog]

It seems that our FO initiated the trade to the Broncos according to PFT:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... son-trade/

No surprise here. I can see the team lying through their teeth long before I can see Russ doing so.

Both parties were very insincere to say the least, and we're just as much to blame as Russell and Pete and Co. Society no longer holds people accountable for being untruthful, whether it be their politicians, their clergymen, or their favorite athletes. It's become acceptable behavior.

[NorthHawk]

It’s almost like it’s a sign of weakness to admit wrongdoing when it used
to be thought of as being strong.

[Agent 86]

Assuming everyone has seen this news this morning......

https://www.nfl.com/news/russell-wilson-broncos-contract-extension-five-year-245-million

5 year extension after the 2023 season.....$49 million per year.....

[NorthHawk]

A good deal for both sides.
The Broncos now have a much better chance to go to the SB in the next couple of years and Wilson gets paid late into his career.
With the Salary Cap expected to really increase it won't hurt much in a couple of years.

[trents]

A good deal for both sides.
The Broncos now have a much better chance to go to the SB in the next couple of years and Wilson gets paid late into his career.
With the Salary Cap expected to really increase it won't hurt much in a couple of years.

Will they get 5 years worth of elite production out of him? My take is that Wilson had already passed his productive zenith when he left Seattle.

[Hawktawk]

A good deal for both sides.
The Broncos now have a much better chance to go to the SB in the next couple of years and Wilson gets paid late into his career.
With the Salary Cap expected to really increase it won't hurt much in a couple of years.

I’m not sure Russ will ever make another playoff game . He couldn’t win a divisional the last 3 years with the LOB. 6 of his last 15 losing to backups . Just wow. I knew John swindled them and now Mark Rodgers has . Terrible move by denver to not wait and see what he looks like . Wow . He may well be 0-1 week 1.

[trents]

I think Wilson may have jumped from the kettle into the frying pan. Despite all his ra ra talk about getting traded to a team committed to winning, the fact is it was a lateral move at best. And unless Denver's OL is a whole lot better than Seattle's was, I don't expect to see a franchise turned around simply because R. Wilson is now part of the team.

[RiverDog]

I think Wilson may have jumped from the kettle into the frying pan. Despite all his ra ra talk about getting traded to a team committed to winning, the fact is it was a lateral move at best. And unless Denver's OL is a whole lot better than Seattle's was, I don't expect to see a franchise turned around simply because R. Wilson is now part of the team.

Yeah, it's hard to say how this will all play out. PFF had Denver's OL ranked 19th in 2021 while ours checked in at #25. That's not a slam dunk improvement. Courtland Sutherland and Jerry Jeudy are fine receivers, but I don't think they're on par with Metcalf and Lockett. Their running attack looks comparable, at least statistically. On paper, it looks like a push.

[c_hawkbob]

Good for Russ, good for the Donkeys.

[Hawktawk]

I think Wilson may have jumped from the kettle into the frying pan. Despite all his ra ra talk about getting traded to a team committed to winning, the fact is it was a lateral move at best. And unless Denver's OL is a whole lot better than Seattle's was, I don't expect to see a franchise turned around simply because R. Wilson is now part of the team.

It was a move to what some are calling the toughest division in history with all the talent , the QBs . He’s going to a line that gave up 40 sacks between Bridgewater and Lock . Ours surrendered 45 although Geno took 13 in 13 quarters . I could mention at least 2 games last year that totally unnecessary sacks lost games too .

After 10 years it looks to me like Russ is gonna get hit and sacked if he had Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson . I think it’s entirely plausible they miss the postseason . That huge deal won’t sit too well with brand new teammates unless he’s all that . We have a chance to severely mess up their season week 1. Wilson Carroll grudge match . Draft pick game . Can’t wait to get back to lumen after 3 years win lose or draw .

[Aseahawkfan]

Will they get 5 years worth of elite production out of him? My take is that Wilson had already passed his productive zenith when he left Seattle.

We'll see if you're right. You'll be able to check his stats yearly in Denver. Russ had a bad year in 2021 and his first injury year. In 2020 he had his best statistical year. When I see people saying this based on his one down year, I think back to Randy Johnson when the team wrote him off due to his age as being all done.

The reality is no one works harder than Russ to be in shape and master his craft. So it won't be for a lack of effort on Russ's part as to whether he succeeds or not. Even in his down year last year he was still a top 10 QB having missed 3 games. If he comes in healthy this year, he will likely get back to earlier years production.

As far as Denver being a push, that I agree with. I don't see anything spectacular about Denver's talent. They have an unproven rookie coaching staff and their two biggest assets I see pre-Russ are their two RBs, who are both nearly 1000 yard rusher and 200 plus yard receivers.

Now could be their receivers remained in the 700 yard range because they had Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Lock throwing to them. With Russ they may move into the 1000 yard receiving club. We'll see in time.

Nice thing about sports is talk is cheap and production is everything. If the folks that think Russ is done are right, they'll be able to see it in his production. Same as if they're wrong and Russ is still elite. There's no hiding it or pretending it didn't happen or making excuses. It will all be tracked and known by the end of this year and the coming years. Same as if Pete and John's draft class is as strong as people think it is.

The results will tell us all we need to know.

[Aseahawkfan]

Assuming everyone has seen this news this morning......

https://www.nfl.com/news/russell-wilson-broncos-contract-extension-five-year-245-million

5 year extension after the 2023 season.....$49 million per year.....

This is why I hope Pete's plan works. These QB salaries are too damn high.

Good for Russ making the money. But damn, how do you build a team around that type of salary? It seems nutty.

[Hawktawk]

I’ve never questioned Russels physical condition or workout regimen . The arm is golden , he’s still got wheels . Not as fast but still elusive . My questions are about a breakdown in fundamentals leading to huge losses and turnovers . For all the freaking out about Lock getting hit in the ear hole Russ did the same thing vs AZ and chandler Jones was right in front of him too and he didn’t identify the hot read . Silly sacks taking us out of field goal range . Seeing the field . Reading the defense . Moving chains , a huge issue . Eyes down looking at the rush instead of up and feeling it ..these are not just my opinions , these are the views of some scouts . Not Denver’s obviously . As you say we will know pretty quick the reality. I’m prepared for anything .

[trents]

We'll see if you're right. You'll be able to check his stats yearly in Denver. Russ had a bad year in 2021 and his first injury year. In 2020 he had his best statistical year. When I see people saying this based on his one down year, I think back to Randy Johnson when the team wrote him off due to his age as being all done.

The reality is no one works harder than Russ to be in shape and master his craft. So it won't be for a lack of effort on Russ's part as to whether he succeeds or not. Even in his down year last year he was still a top 10 QB having missed 3 games. If he comes in healthy this year, he will likely get back to earlier years production.

As far as Denver being a push, that I agree with. I don't see anything spectacular about Denver's talent. They have an unproven rookie coaching staff and their two biggest assets I see pre-Russ are their two RBs, who are both nearly 1000 yard rusher and 200 plus yard receivers.

Now could be their receivers remained in the 700 yard range because they had Teddy Bridgewater and Drew Lock throwing to them. With Russ they may move into the 1000 yard receiving club. We'll see in time.

Nice thing about sports is talk is cheap and production is everything. If the folks that think Russ is done are right, they'll be able to see it in his production. Same as if they're wrong and Russ is still elite. There's no hiding it or pretending it didn't happen or making excuses. It will all be tracked and known by the end of this year and the coming years. Same as if Pete and John's draft class is as strong as people think it is.

The results will tell us all we need to know.

Good commentary and I agree. I think if Broncos' running game is strong again this year and the OL at Denver pass protects better than Seattle's did, he will have a good year. Russ' strength has always been throwing the deep ball and if those two elements (run game and pass protection) are in place there should be opportunity to connect on deep balls. A strong ground game draws the defense up close to the LOS. That kind of offense will demand less of Russ making plays with his feet on the scramble, which I believe is not what it used to be. The question mark would seem to be the quality of the Denver wide receivers.

[Hawktawk]

Funny it sounds like a Pete ball offense . Where is the huge difference . I agree though Russ is most effective backed up by a strong running game . It’s nice for play action . He just doesn’t make too many other choices besides deep routes , out sideline patterns and behind the sticks and the league is figuring it out . I saw a quote from Hackett talking about what offense he wants to run “ whatever Russ wants”
Should be fascinating . He ain’t got Penny to run play action off of. I hope we do .

[trents]

Pete ball is a sound concept if you have all the critical elements in place: good run game, good pass protection and strong defense. But my big contention with Pete ball is that it is not that common to have all those elements in place at the same time.

And I agree, Hawtawk, Russ was never very good with the shallow drop back, quick short pass over the middle. I always imagined it was because he was short and needed more depth to be able to see the field.

[Hawktawk]

Pete ball is a sound concept if you have all the critical elements in place: good run game, good pass protection and strong defense. But my big contention with Pete ball is that it is not that common to have all those elements in place at the same time.

And I agree, Hawtawk, Russ was never very good with the shallow drop back, quick short pass over the middle. I always imagined it was because he was short and needed more depth to be able to see the field.

He’s worse at it than Kyler Murray but not by much . I think there is a height correlation which makes sense . He used to be more balanced though . The worst was Jalen Hurts .

The throw you describe Russ as not good at is the one that shall live in infamy .
Russ won more games than any man first ten playing Pete ball . In his second to last game he hung a 50 burger playing in this offense . I’ll never understand what his problem was . I think he will regret this someday . Maybe the 12th. I still remember Holmgren coming over from GB and schooling Favre with Jon Kitna . I will be fascinated to see the battles of the mind with Russ and Pete and Hackett and Geno for that matter . He sucks so bad he could suck start a Harley. I’m not sure denver will be able to stop laughing long enough to tackle him .

That’s why they play the games .

[TriCitySam]

George Paton on the RW deal: “You build a different way (after making a move like this),” Paton said. “You aren’t going to go on a spending splurge every free agency; you just can’t. The model doesn’t work like that. We realize — we had all of these talks about how, three years down the road, how this impacts us.

“Do we have to hit on picks? Yeah. Everyone has to hit on their picks. But the stakes are higher. You gotta hit on the sixth-rounder, the seventh-round safety or else the model doesn’t work.” ....lotta pressure there.

[Aseahawkfan]

George Paton on the RW deal: “You build a different way (after making a move like this),” Paton said. “You aren’t going to go on a spending splurge every free agency; you just can’t. The model doesn’t work like that. We realize — we had all of these talks about how, three years down the road, how this impacts us.

“Do we have to hit on picks? Yeah. Everyone has to hit on their picks. But the stakes are higher. You gotta hit on the sixth-rounder, the seventh-round safety or else the model doesn’t work.” ....lotta pressure there.

Welcome to the modern NFL. You get a QB and a handful of stars, then you better draft well and find cheap roleplayers if you want a good team unless you have a QB like Tom Brady who want to be part of a winning team enough to take less money.

[obiken]

Final post script on Russell Wilson: You look at what the Browns gave up for DW, and what we got for RW, we got took period. I think HT's attacks on him were/are ludicrous. He donated his time to charity, did it enhance his rep, yes. However, like Elvis giving away Cadillac's, its something that he didn't have to do, and very few stars before or since, were as generous with their time. RW was never a drama queen till the end. He was was always Pollyannish in nature, GO HAWKS. Were there cracks that it was somewhat of a facade, like making the guys sign a waver while having a beer at his house, sure. But numbers do not lie, HE was the winningest QB for the first 10 years in NFL history. Not to mention Passer Rating, percentage, and TD's cannot be argued with. HT Calling RW names is like Otto Adolf Eichmann, calling mother Theresa mean, he comes off looking like an idiot. IF I were RW I would have done it different, I would have come out and said hey look I love my guys they are doing the best they can but this teams needs help on the OLine. IF I were RW I would have done that after 2016 or 17. Was he traded or did he leave, that's all semantics, its like did Wayne Gretzky leave, or was he traded. Your never going to know the truth because neither side wants to be the bad guy. I think he was traded after making it clear he wanted changes, the Hawks could not allow a FQB like RW go for nothing and that is where it was headed. All that aside, NO ONE can argue that he was the greatest QB in Seahawk History.