Going to MNF

[obiken]

How about you tell HT to stop making ad hominem aka personal attacks on Russell Wilson? Then it will stop. It's that simple.

The only reason I'm going after HT is I am tired of him being able to make constant personal attacks on Russell Wilson without a peep form anyone on this forum.

Why anyone considers that ok is beyond me.

Uhh I have been beating the verbal crap outta him on RW! I predicted that RW would finally win the MVP and he called me delusional, doesnt that count??!!??

[obiken]

ASHF, I think HT is basically a good guy, talk to River and Cbob we have had a lot worse! (Like Ram Dumbo) I get it, his attacks on RW are not based on facts but emotion. I actually feel for HT, he is going to take a beating this season, the problem its a small consolation for how bad OUR Hawks are going to look this year. I hope RW does well, I am just not going to cheer for the Donkey's!! See below, Numbers dont lie! Only a dumbo or a real delusional would argue with those numbers. This is why I FTFO when PC got rid of him!!

58 158 104−53−1 3,079 4,735 Com % 65.0 37,059 yds 7.8 292 87 101.8 QBR Rating

[Hawktawk]

Asea take a chill pill dude . You really are a fan boy . Russ was made the highest paid player in the game twice here . Pete made him . Chose him . Trusted him . Designed the read option to take advantage of his strengths . He threw away 49 . Fine : he led the team to 3 wild card wins the next 7 seasons with 3 of them still involving significant parts of the lob . That’s all fine it’s a team game . But don’t come around saying you gotta leave to win then , then leave and trash your fans subtly , your teammates . Asea I don’t care if you can bench press 1k you’re a weak Seahawks fan if you are in this guys corner at all after all this . I look forward to the guy getting punished within an inch of the law on sept 12 . If you don’t like my views so sad buddy . Proud of my stance .

[trents]

Look, I'm not going to sit back and listen to hawktawk make personal attacks on a guy like Russell Wilson. I don't like it. I don't think it's right.

HT questions Russell's football ability I don't care. He wants to call him washed up and he's lost his mobility and can't throw over the middle. That's open for the debate.

But the constant "He's selfish. He's a liar." And the laundry list of personal attacks is not something I should to have read for months on a forum that supposedly doesn't want ad hominem attacks.

I don't do this type of attack on players. I don't do this with any other poster on the football portion of the forum other than HT because of his personal attacks on a player that doesn't deserve it.
personal attacks I have to sift through as I'm reading posts.

No one else on this forum but him does it. No one. They don't even do it for other players from other teams. This guy just non-stop attacking Russell Wilson.

I don't feel like sitting by and ignoring all the time like everyone else appears to do. It's not ok. Just like trents seems to feel when I give it back to HT is how I feel every time I have to read some stupid rant about Russell Wilson's selfishness or he's lying or he's putting the team down or some other trash personal attack.

I think it's not out of line, given sufficient evidence, to call into question a player's motives for decisions and behavior directly related to his profession and his career while always keeping in mind that we can't actually see inside their mind and heart. So, it is always appropriate to leave room for the fact that our opinions about those things could be absolutely wrong. Where I draw the line is judgmentalism with regard to off field, outside of working hours activities that are by nature charitable.

Forums like this exist for the purpose of allowing fans to express their pleasure and their frustrations with regard to the teams they follow and the athletes on them. These forums do not exist for the purpose of attacking each other as participants. Dump on the players, coaches and execs, yes. On each other, no. Aseahawkfan, get a grip! It's a game and the survival of the free world is not at stake here.

[trents]

I'm not a moderator. I'm just asking the two of you as friends to please stop.

Do we even have moderators on this forum? If so, who are they? I don't think I've ever seen a mod intervene here.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think it's not out of line, given sufficient evidence, to call into question a player's motives for decisions and behavior directly related to his profession and his career while always keeping in mind that we can't actually see inside their mind and heart. So, it is always appropriate to leave room for the fact that our opinions about those things could be absolutely wrong. Where I draw the line is judgmentalism with regard to off field, outside of working hours activities that are by nature charitable.

Forums like this exist for the purpose of allowing fans to express their pleasure and their frustrations with regard to the teams they follow and the athletes on them. These forums do not exist for the purpose of attacking each other as participants. Dump on the players, coaches and execs, yes. On each other, no. Aseahawkfan, get a grip! It's a game and the survival of the free world is not at stake here.

I don't agree with you. If you want to dump on a player or coach I like in a vulgar, personal, and insulting manner, then I'm going after you. It's not right at all. You want to be able to lash out at players and coaches calling them all types of names, while you what? Sit there protected by a forum moderator? On almost any other forum HT would have already been banned and I wouldn't even have had to listen to this.

Yu basically stated I made an ad hominem attack by calling HT a hypocrite. Is a guy who holds Russell to one standard and Pete Carroll to another not a hypocrite? Pete said the same crap in public about not trading Russell and pretending everything is good as Russell did. Same BS line. S

You are trying to dictate how we should treat each other, our fellow posters, while you are completely ok with posters just crapping all over our players calling them liars and checked out and all this other garbage. You're asking for a one way street where you get to drive over the players and coaches and GMs without any fear of someone driving a car back into you when someone disagrees.

[Aseahawkfan]

Asea take a chill pill dude . You really are a fan boy . Russ was made the highest paid player in the game twice here . Pete made him . Chose him . Trusted him . Designed the read option to take advantage of his strengths . He threw away 49 . Fine : he led the team to 3 wild card wins the next 7 seasons with 3 of them still involving significant parts of the lob . That’s all fine it’s a team game . But don’t come around saying you gotta leave to win then , then leave and trash your fans subtly , your teammates . Asea I don’t care if you can bench press 1k you’re a weak Seahawks fan if you are in this guys corner at all after all this . I look forward to the guy getting punished within an inch of the law on sept 12 . If you don’t like my views so sad buddy . Proud of my stance .

You know what you were doing. I never cared when you questioned Russ's football skills like this post. It was the constant personal attacks I have a problem with. I have no idea why people are giving you a pass on them at all. It was BS when you made them and always will be.

[Aseahawkfan]

Uhh I have been beating the verbal crap outta him on RW! I predicted that RW would finally win the MVP and he called me delusional, doesnt that count??!!??

I'm talking the personal attacks on Russell. I literally don't care about the football talk. If that was all HT had ever said, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I think only C-bob called HT out on his personal attacks besides me. Much nicer than I did, but at least he said something.

I stopped going after HT after he stopped that garbage, but he started up again. I'm not gionna read it and gloss over it. We can debate his throwing over the middle of the field, whether or not SB 49 is his fault, and whether he is deteriorating. But calling Russ a liar, saying he doesn't work hard, he's checked out, and he lied to team and fan base while giving Carroll a pass, just ridiculous. Saying he ran his own offense, forced his way back early like he had some power over Carroll, and he's some kind of tyrant who the other players hate and all this crap he was just making up was just a long and tiresome list.

On almost any other forum he would have been banned by now, a long time ago.

But this forum is for the most part self-policing, so I'm standing up for Russ. Even now I get called a fan boy by HT like that's some kind of insult to be a fan of great guy like Russell Wilson who also happens to be a good player.

The world and the NFL can definitely use more players like Russell Wilson where the worst insult he gets from other NFL players is "He's too square" while we're reading about the Deshaun Watson' that are basically criminals and crazy Aaron Rodgers selfish types lying about his vaccination status and talking mushroom dreams. Give me more Russell Wilson's in the NFL and the world period so it can be a better place.

[Hawktawk]

Between the old PI forum and here I was banned over Xl in 2006. I’ve never been warned or anything since . And you talking about me being vulgar towards a professional athlete who disrespects my team in any ways including comments a week ago . I didn’t call him a low class scumbag , dirtbag with half the character of Wilson . You have called me that as a fellow member of a sports forum . So you sound ridiculous talking about me being vulgar or a hypocrite .
I like your football input a lot but wading through personal attacks and wild rants from only you because as a 63 year old man , 45 years a fan I see things my way . All those people booing his Sue Bird taped tribute agree with me along with most fans . That’s not what’s important . Having a civil discourse matters . I hear how you would never be able to stand me face to face . I think you would like me just fine in person . For some reason people say things on the internet they don’t say in person . I just want to focus on football , with emotion but respect for one another .

[trents]

I don't agree with you. If you want to dump on a player or coach I like in a vulgar, personal, and insulting manner, then I'm going after you. It's not right at all. You want to be able to lash out at players and coaches calling them all types of names, while you what? Sit there protected by a forum moderator? On almost any other forum HT would have already been banned and I wouldn't even have had to listen to this.

Yu basically stated I made an ad hominem attack by calling HT a hypocrite. Is a guy who holds Russell to one standard and Pete Carroll to another not a hypocrite? Pete said the same crap in public about not trading Russell and pretending everything is good as Russell did. Same BS line. S

You are trying to dictate how we should treat each other, our fellow posters, while you are completely ok with posters just crapping all over our players calling them liars and checked out and all this other garbage. You're asking for a one way street where you get to drive over the players and coaches and GMs without any fear of someone driving a car back into you when someone disagrees.

Sure, I'm not saying there is no limit when it comes to bashing of athletes but you also have to leave some room for venting. But I think there is no room at all for bashing fellow forum participants.

[RiverDog]

I'm not a moderator. I'm just asking the two of you as friends to please stop.

Do we even have moderators on this forum? If so, who are they? I don't think I've ever seen a mod intervene here.

Yes, we do. His name/handle is Yoder. But he seldom posts. I sent him a PM several months ago and it took him over a week to respond. He apologized for the delay, said that the forum runs itself.

It's a very small group of us here. A few years ago, we had a couple of regular posters (Human Cockroach and Anthony!) get into it and one of our other members complained about their bickering, so Yoder intervened, threatened the two offenders with suspension if they kept it up. The result was that both quit posting. They were both good contributors.

We're so small of a group that we really can't afford to have one or two posters get banned or get upset and quit. Forums like this one seem to be dying out as more people are opting for Facebook and other social media platforms, which I find hugely inadequate as they're dominated by cheerleaders that don't know their hind end from a warm rock when it comes to football.

[Aseahawkfan]

Sure, I'm not saying there is no limit when it comes to bashing of athletes but you also have to leave some room for venting. But I think there is no room at all for bashing fellow forum participants.

If you want to attack players that other posters like with a personal attack, you should be able to take the kick back for doing it. Why you think someone needs a safe space when they run their mouth about someone another poster or fan may like is beyond me. Either you're ok with personal attacks or you're not. If you're ok with it, then if you run your mouth as a poster you should be prepared for someone to call you on it.

This safe space you're asking for is inviting a level of moderation that should apply across the board because I feel pissed off when I see someone making personal attacks on players that don't deserve it. If I were in a room with that poster, I'd be verbally blasting them in their face for that type rubbish talk. I got no idea why you think a poster who is a fan of a player should have to come to this forum and listen to some fan insulting a player for months with personal attacks. This isn't some single post HT made, this has been months of constant personal attacks on a player a whole lot of us like without any regard for being told to stop.

Then you want to create a safe space so this forum can be used as a place to crap all over Seattle players if some person feels like it for months on end? I can't imagine that would make for a very pleasant forum at all.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yes, we do. His name/handle is Yoder. But he seldom posts. I sent him a PM several months ago and it took him over a week to respond. He apologized for the delay, said that the forum runs itself.

It's a very small group of us here. A few years ago, we had a couple of regular posters (Human Cockroach and Anthony!) get into it and one of our other members complained about their bickering, so Yoder intervened, threatened the two offenders with suspension if they kept it up. The result was that both quit posting. They were both good contributors.

We're so small of a group that we really can't afford to have one or two posters get banned or get upset and quit. Forums like this one seem to be dying out as more people are opting for Facebook and other social media platforms, which I find hugely inadequate as they're dominated by cheerleaders that don't know their hind end from a warm rock when it comes to football.

Well, we're about to hit a hard time in Seahawk land I believe. If this forum just becomes a ranting ground for hate towards current or former Seattle players and coaches because some people want to crap on them for months, that isn't going to be too pleasant for anyone.

[RiverDog]

Sure, I'm not saying there is no limit when it comes to bashing of athletes but you also have to leave some room for venting. But I think there is no room at all for bashing fellow forum participants.

If you want to attack players that other posters like with a personal attack, you should be able to take the kick back for doing it. Why you think someone needs a safe space when they run their mouth about someone another poster or fan may like is beyond me. Either you're ok with personal attacks or you're not. If you're ok with it, then if you run your mouth as a poster you should be prepared for someone to call you on it.

This safe space you're asking for is inviting a level of moderation that should apply across the board because I feel pissed off when I see someone making personal attacks on players that don't deserve it. If I were in a room with that poster, I'd be verbally blasting them in their face for that type rubbish talk. I got no idea why you think a poster who is a fan of a player should have to come to this forum and listen to some fan insulting a player for months with personal attacks. This isn't some single post HT made, this has been months of constant personal attacks on a player a whole lot of us like without any regard for being told to stop.

Then you want to create a safe space so this forum can be used as a place to crap all over Seattle players if some person feels like it for months on end? I can't imagine that would make for a very pleasant forum at all.

Keep in mind that we do have an ignore feature so at least you won't see any of these personal attacks.

[Aseahawkfan]

Keep in mind that we do have an ignore feature so at least you won't see any of these personal attacks.

I figured it out. That was an interesting feature Yoder added. The threads look far cleaner. Thanks.

[RiverDog]

Keep in mind that we do have an ignore feature so at least you won't see any of these personal attacks.

I figured it out. That was an interesting feature Yoder added. The threads look far cleaner. Thanks.

The feature has been there for some time.

Putting someone on ignore is a deterrent. No one wants to be put on ignore. It's why we all come in here, to share our thoughts and feelings with others. I've never used it in this forum, but I have in others.

[Aseahawkfan]

The feature has been there for some time.

Putting someone on ignore is a deterrent. No one wants to be put on ignore. It's why we all come in here, to share our thoughts and feelings with others. I've never used it in this forum, but I have in others.

I usually don't use it either. But I don't feel like reading more attacks on Russell Wilson and other vulgar attacks on people like calling a highly educated female lawyer and mother a bimbo. It's just vulgar, tiresome, and not funny.

The only completely irrational crazy folk I am forced to tolerate are family.

[Hawktawk]

Within the last week Russ made public comments about having mental leaders in Denver and so “
It’s not all on my shoulders anymore “

if you hadn’t noticed I hadn’t challenged Russels character since the Winning city “ a city that wants to win and knows how to win “ comments . It’s fair game . It made national news . It’s what he craves more than anything I think . Attention . Like the selfie Facebook friend that can’t stop . I’m looking forward to cheering Geno and our hawks as we hopefully crush Denver.