Battle in Seattle for QB1

[Aseahawkfan]

6 or 8 wins?? No way, where are we going to get them with our lines and players??!!! 5 max!

Frisco got no QB.

Arizona has Mighty Mouse with Deandre Hopkins suspended 6 games. We saw what happened to Mighty Mouse last year without Deandre Hopkins.

Rams likely beat us twice.

We got a good position skill group. DK, Tyler, the TEs, and the RBs look solid and deep. Even if Penny and Walker not ready to go, Homer is looking ready.

Defense is a big question mark. Only reason we win less than 6 to 8 is if the defense is more terrible than we think. The defense is a huge question mark. Not sure who the starting CBs are. Not sure of the health of the starting safeties. LBs look like solid tacklers, but not stuffing the run. The D-line is getting pushed around at the line. They will have to clean up their run defense big time to have any chance of being a good defense while not being terrible at pass defense.

And our schedule is weak.

Atlanta Falcons: Who they got? Matt Ryan is gone. They are rebuilding too.
Detroit: Who the hell are they?
New Orleans: New coach and rebuilding too.
New York Giants: Rebuilding and terrible.
Carolina: Who are they? Nobody.
New York Jets: Laughable organization.

So we get 4 to 6 wins gainst the above crap, then split with Zona and the 49ers, there is your 6 to 8 wins. Very doable.

We pull off any wins against the rest of the teams on our schedule and maybe Hawktawk is more right. The only way I see 5 wins or less is if the defense absolutely collapses.

[Aseahawkfan]

Asea I think we just had a freak show of a draft . It might be a Hershel Walker draft . And as you know I don’t expect us to suck at all this year in large part because of this draft . Everyone talks about how you have to become horrible to get good and that’s the nfl model . Except Tom and Bill proved that was bullshit and guess which coach was #2 in wins last 10 years .
Oke doke coming up soon

I don't see a freak show of a draft. I see a good draft, but not even close to a freak show.

You'll know when we get a freak show draft. You'll know it like we knew Russell Wilson was special and Earl was a freak of a safety in the preseason.

A freak show player will show they are a freak show player from the time they step on the field. They will look better than everyone else on the field from day 1. That didn't happen in this draft. We got some good players with upside, but most of these guys look like building blocks.

Freak show players look like Andrew Luck or Ndamakung Suh when drafted. You know them when you see them. No one in this draft looks anywhere close to like those type of guys.

[Hawktawk]

I’m not going to argue at this point , way too early but if you look at the possibility of fixtures at the tackle positions , brilliant corners and edge players and the potential of Walker it could wind up an amazing class.

[TriCitySam]

It was a strong draft, two really good tackles. We'll see how good Mafe and Walker are, how Woolen develops then? Could be one of our best

[Stream Hawk]

Just want to chime in again. Suddenly this whole thing seems awkward! Also seems like a very pathetic competition. I don’t want to get into Geno getting all the 1 reps; you all know that. But we are talking about Pete pumping up a career back up, at best.

[obiken]

Now I seeing on Newsbreak that Seattle could go for Garner Minshew.

[Aseahawkfan]

Just want to chime in again. Suddenly this whole thing seems awkward! Also seems like a very pathetic competition. I don’t want to get into Geno getting all the 1 reps; you all know that. But we are talking about Pete pumping up a career back up, at best.

hawktawk believes Geno is better than Russ at this point in their careers and has a better connection than Russ with DK. Maybe Pete thinks the same thing as Hawktawk.

[Aseahawkfan]

It was a strong draft, two really good tackles. We'll see how good Mafe and Walker are, how Woolen develops then? Could be one of our best

It looks like a very solid draft if even half the guys work out. A building block draft.

I just don't see anyone like Earl in the draft. When Earl was drafted and we had a chance to see him play, he was so freakishly fast that he made everyone else on the field look slow. It didn't take long before he was one of the most feared cover safeties in the league. Even veteran great QBs like Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady learned early that throwing deep with Earl back there is asking to get picked or for an incompletion.

I think most on the forum watched Russell Wilson in the preseason and went, "This kid is special. He's got it all. He's 100 percent going to make it barring injury and become great."

Right now I see a lot of promise, but no one I look at and say, "This guy is a 100 percent a stud. He's better than everyone else on the field and it's not even close." I felt that with Earl and Russ when I saw them even in the preseason. I can't remember that far back, but people probably felt that way in Walt's first season though offensive tackles are harder to see in the preseason. Charles Cross may be the second coming of Walter Jones, but I can't see it right now. What I see is a young guy learning with a lot of promise going against scrubs. His real test is when the planning comes and the stunts and the guys like Bosa line up against him. That will tell us how good this guy is.

Everyone else just looks like guys playing against scrubs with mixed results. The defense has given up a lot of points the first two games going against guys that aren't even going to start, while our guys are supposed to be starting.

Seahawks fanbase seems so hyped to see the positive, they aren't looking at the scores or who these rooks are playing against. Right now our defense looks bad against players that won't even start in the NFL. What are they going to do when they're facing starters and they are much better? Give up 42 points? I'm seeing way, way too much yardage given up on the D-line and in the run game.

[obiken]

Yeah okay it was a good draft but you need 2 or 3 of those guys, and I have 0 faith in PC to duplicate anything good!

[RiverDog]

Just want to chime in again. Suddenly this whole thing seems awkward! Also seems like a very pathetic competition. I don’t want to get into Geno getting all the 1 reps; you all know that. But we are talking about Pete pumping up a career back up, at best.

Agreed. The 'competition' at QB seems pretty phony. Although we haven't seen the practices, Lock looked superior to Geno in the one preseason game he's played in save for one big mistake at the end. There's still plenty of time before Pete has to make a decision, yet he's talking like the 'competition' is over.

[Hawktawk]

Lock has not looked superior to Geno . His receivers have looked way better then Genos . I guess if we are gonna quote PFF when they give us the 100 ranked line we should listen when they give Geno a #5 rating right ? Get him in there with the ones and get out of the way . We will be just fine .

[RiverDog]

Lock has not looked superior to Geno . His receivers have looked way better then Genos . I guess if we are gonna quote PFF when they give us the 100 ranked line we should listen when they give Geno a #5 rating right ? Get him in there with the ones and get out of the way . We will be just fine .

You seem to have forgotten Geno's quite literal face plant last Thursday. Lock enhanced his status simply by not suiting up.

[NorthHawk]

Geno had the opportunity to take the starting role and make it his.
He showed he doesn't have the talent or drive to do that, so don't expect much from him during the year.

[tarlhawk]

My own opinion at work...I suspect Drew Lock is the heir incumbant to Russell and the competitive "doubt" is shaped for outsiders (unfortunately as fans we are included with those outsiders). Geno has the moxy to play well and PFF is merely drumming up noise to boost subscribers. All the panic/pessimism over the competition is from the fan base and outside pundits...yet the players in limited "conversations" share no such skepticism and Pete enjoys playing the ambiguous role when dealing with media.


Drew has gotten what he was lacking in Denver...a new (fresh) start to boost his sagging confidence and solid coaching (Pete will never be confused as a "QB Coach...but Shane Waldron was QB Coach for the Rams when Goff played his best). Its important in the locker room for Geno not to be "dissed" and Geno early on has stated he has "Drew's back" so this averts any team dissension and Drew has already shown a strong rapport with the locker room as well.


Geno has a strange "incentivized" contract for a clear cut QB1 role...but he has strong value to rally the locker room ...and share his NFL experience in a supporting role once Pete's true decision is put on record. If a QB excels playing with the "twos" then any "catch-up" with timing/familiarity with the "ones" can be done behind closed doors.


Pre-season games are similar to "shared" practices...you don't pre-plan to beat your opponent...it just optimizes your evaluation process. The Offensive and Defensive "schemes" are seldom revealing and mostly "vanilla" in nature while respecting each teams desire to avoid injuries...which is why you seldom see too many blitzes employed...QB pressures are equal in value to sacks for evaluating games that "don't count".

[Hawktawk]

My own opinion at work...I suspect Drew Lock is the heir incumbant to Russell and the competitive "doubt" is shaped for outsiders (unfortunately as fans we are included with those outsiders). Geno has the moxy to play well and PFF is merely drumming up noise to boost subscribers. All the panic/pessimism over the competition is from the fan base and outside pundits...yet the players in limited "conversations" share no such skepticism and Pete enjoys playing the ambiguous role when dealing with media.


Drew has gotten what he was lacking in Denver...a new (fresh) start to boost his sagging confidence and solid coaching (Pete will never be confused as a "QB Coach...but Shane Waldron was QB Coach for the Rams when Goff played his best). Its important in the locker room for Geno not to be "dissed" and Geno early on has stated he has "Drew's back" so this averts any team dissension and Drew has already shown a strong rapport with the locker room as well.


Geno has a strange "incentivized" contract for a clear cut QB1 role...but he has strong value to rally the locker room ...and share his NFL experience in a supporting role once Pete's true decision is put on record. If a QB excels playing with the "twos" then any "catch-up" with timing/familiarity with the "ones" can be done behind closed doors.
Not quite sure your point .

Pre-season games are similar to "shared" practices...you don't pre-plan to beat your opponent...it just optimizes your evaluation process. The Offensive and Defensive "schemes" are seldom revealing and mostly "vanilla" in nature while respecting each teams desire to avoid injuries...which is why you seldom see too many blitzes employed...QB pressures are equal in value to sacks for evaluating games that "don't count".

So I don’t think I quite get your point . Do you think the smokescreen is actually cover for Drew to be named the starter ? I guess we will see. And as I’ve said repeatedly 2021 Geno is capable of leading Seattle . Prior to that hell no . That is encouraging for Locks development but imo if Genos perfect throws were being caught it’s competition over . Pete was critical of him getting tripped and getting a batted ball but he was more critical of the receivers . I guess we will see. I hope both guys play great Friday because it means we have a good qb starting either way . In my opinion Geno will start game 1 . All bets are off after that . If he’s the guy and plays similar to last year it’s a ten win record .

[Hawktawk]

Lock has not looked superior to Geno . His receivers have looked way better then Genos . I guess if we are gonna quote PFF when they give us the 100 ranked line we should listen when they give Geno a #5 rating right ? Get him in there with the ones and get out of the way . We will be just fine .

“You seem to have forgotten Geno's quite literal face plant last Thursday. Lock enhanced his status simply by not suiting up.[/quote]



You seem to have forgotten his royal highness getting stepped on by the guard and landing on his ass and taking a safety . That was the divisional vs Atlanta . Then he got up and started talking about some stadium projects post game but that’s another subject . I’ve now seen 21 quarters of Geno in a Seahawks uniform and it’s the first time he’s gotten tripped by the back . It’s his 3rd or 4 th batted ball which is a potential problem as his release is a bit low like Hasslebeck with a 3/4 sidearm delivery . The others were all at the hands of TJ watt. He took a ton of sacks last year , 1 per quarter which would easily eclipse Wilson’s worst year although I haven’t seen him sacked much this year . He’s been killed with drops of absolute dimes , daggers , perfect back shoulder throws , a perfect in stride laser to Fant who steps out despite plenty of room . PFF sees it my way . If you are gonna gleefully quote them on our line etc fair is fair . I think the fans are really taking sides on this and most fans and pundits seem to think the job should be handed to Lock. I don’t . I think the best option to have a chance to compete this year is with Geno . And when you say he outperformed him EXCEPT for a horrible turnover you are savvy enough to know it overturns everything he did in Pete’s mind . As for Lock helping himself by not suiting up
I’ve seen you say this and it’s ridiculous. Getting Fing Covid as I’ve had twice helps nobody . He was going to start the Fing game with a chance to win the job . He became very Ill. He’s back but I’ve heard he hasn’t been real sharp which could be the effects . My last bout was spring and I am not sure I’m right yet or ever will be . This totally screwed up the competition . Hurt Drew . Hurt Geno . Hurt the organization . Nothing positive about it . I know it’s tounge in cheek but come on man . If Genos sitting at 5 it didn’t help Lock sitting anyway .

[tarlhawk]

So I don’t think I quite get your point . Do you think the smokescreen is actually cover for Drew to be named the starter ? I guess we will see. And as I’ve said repeatedly 2021 Geno is capable of leading Seattle . Prior to that hell no . That is encouraging for Locks development but imo if Genos perfect throws were being caught it’s competition over . Pete was critical of him getting tripped and getting a batted ball but he was more critical of the receivers . I guess we will see. I hope both guys play great Friday because it means we have a good qb starting either way . In my opinion Geno will start game 1 . All bets are off after that . If he’s the guy and plays similar to last year it’s a ten win record .

Yes...a smokescreen to get the best out of both guys. I think Geno was challenged more by getting play calls representing a "full install" sampling of Waldron's playbook while Drew was brought "up to speed" in a more nurturing diet of plays called...confidence building for a man who the "other" team had kicked to the curb whether earned or not.

The major emphasis repeated before and after the draft was the inherent complexity of playing QB in a modern NFL role. The mental focus seems to trump the physical talents of an NFL QB. RW had a very sharp focus boosted by strong self confidence which allowed him to overcome the stereotypes of a short stature.

I think it was very telling when DK in a recent response to the often repeated question of how the team was coping with overcoming the loss of Wagner and RW...he acknowledged they were very good players...but each had been supported by the "other ten players" and used that perspective to say we lost some individuals not a team of players...not his actual words but if you watch his response you'll understand his meaning...almost annoyed by the question implying their loss automatically plunged the team into a "rebuild" label. DK doesn't seem to "mince his words" when answering media questions and offered no insight on whom he saw as the "better" QB in the competition...he was coy in saying a couple of questions asked were "Pete" questions and since Pete had just finished his "interview"...lost opportunity that he wasn't going to be baited into answering.

[RiverDog]

So I don’t think I quite get your point . Do you think the smokescreen is actually cover for Drew to be named the starter ? I guess we will see. And as I’ve said repeatedly 2021 Geno is capable of leading Seattle . Prior to that hell no . That is encouraging for Locks development but imo if Genos perfect throws were being caught it’s competition over . Pete was critical of him getting tripped and getting a batted ball but he was more critical of the receivers . I guess we will see. I hope both guys play great Friday because it means we have a good qb starting either way . In my opinion Geno will start game 1 . All bets are off after that . If he’s the guy and plays similar to last year it’s a ten win record .

Yes...a smokescreen to get the best out of both guys. I think Geno was challenged more by getting play calls representing a "full install" sampling of Waldron's playbook while Drew was brought "up to speed" in a more nurturing diet of plays called...confidence building for a man who the "other" team had kicked to the curb whether earned or not.

The major emphasis repeated before and after the draft was the inherent complexity of playing QB in a modern NFL role. The mental focus seems to trump the physical talents of an NFL QB. RW had a very sharp focus boosted by strong self confidence which allowed him to overcome the stereotypes of a short stature.

I agree with tarlhawk. Pete has always used his public comments to motivate his players. Whether or not it's true in the case of this 'QB competition", I couldn't say. But it's blatantly obvious that Pete will say things that he knows doesn't represent his true sentiments just to coax a little more effort out of his players or to reward them for a good effort. Need I say "We're going to build around Tavaris!" once again?

[Hawktawk]

Good lord we’re back to Tavaris 11 years , a hundred wins and 2 super bowl appearances later . He also chose to build around Russ which you all forget . Of course his style is motivational, positive minded but he can be critical not only of others but himself which former dude didn’t have that ability . As for Wilson and Bobby leaving as the 2 leaders on the team I heard an interesting Carrroll quote . Asked how the team would do without a vocal leader like Russell Pete said. “Russ said a lot of things but not everyone was buying into it “. Mmmmmm. Getcha popcorn 12th is coming

[RiverDog]

Good lord we’re back to Tavaris 11 years , a hundred wins and 2 super bowl appearances later . He also chose to build around Russ which you all forget . Of course his style is motivational, positive minded but he can be critical not only of others but himself which former dude didn’t have that ability . As for Wilson and Bobby leaving as the 2 leaders on the team I heard an interesting Carrroll quote . Asked how the team would do without a vocal leader like Russell Pete said. “Russ said a lot of things but not everyone was buying into it “. Mmmmmm. Getcha popcorn 12th is coming

Yep, 11 years. That's how long Pete has been blowing smoke up his player's hind ends, telling them how great and wonderful they are. Yes, it's motivational, but It's not necessarily a criticism. To the contrary, Pete has been very successful with it, used his style to bring us our only Lombardi, and for that I'll be forever grateful to him.

But with Pete, you have to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. Some of what he says may be absolutely true while other things he says is just plain bunk, and sometimes, if not most of the time, it is extremely difficult for outsiders like us to figure out which is which. That's why you have to take what he says in public with a grain of salt.

[Hawktawk]

As Tyler Polumbus said of Lock “ he’s never had a coach like Pete Carroll “. Good lord look at Geno an absolute castoff 3 years ago who has rehabilitated his game to the point he may start here . He’s a great coach . How many mutts and throwaways did he coach up to win a Lombardi ?

You don’t know how hard he coaches theses guys behind closed doors . He’s a positive motivator publicly , complimentary , attempts to give them confidence and incentive to continue working . I use the same techniques in the workplace with my employees . Overwhelmingly see the positives while coaching on the negatives.thank them , compliment them if they do something right .

And if they can’t cut it see ya . Pete is like that . I think ol PC is about as fired up as he’s been since he took the job . He’s a better motivator and coach then anyone gives him credit for . They will have to start soon .

[Aseahawkfan]

Good lord we’re back to Tavaris 11 years , a hundred wins and 2 super bowl appearances later . He also chose to build around Russ which you all forget . Of course his style is motivational, positive minded but he can be critical not only of others but himself which former dude didn’t have that ability . As for Wilson and Bobby leaving as the 2 leaders on the team I heard an interesting Carrroll quote . Asked how the team would do without a vocal leader like Russell Pete said. “Russ said a lot of things but not everyone was buying into it “. Mmmmmm. Getcha popcorn 12th is coming

Why do you think Pete can build a second great team? I'm curious what you've seen in NFL history with head coaches to make you think Pete can do it a second time with the same team?

The 12th is coming and I'm not too worried about the QB, I'm more worried about our projected starters giving up 32 and 27 points to other team's scrub players while only putting up 25 against Pittsburgh who is in full rebuild mode and only 11 points against a Chicago team's 2nd and 3rd stringers with your guy Geno. The run defenses looks terrible. The overall defense looks suspect and we still don't know who is starting at CB and we're all hoping Boye Mafe turns out to be some kind of stud from day 1 because every other pass rusher we have just looks ok.

If you aren't seeing the problems that have nothing to do with the QB, you're not looking very close.

[Old but Slow]

I no longer listen to Pete's pressers. Not from lack of respect, but because he rarely says anything meaningful. To some extent he seems to like to play games with the reporters, to see how they respond. He does not seem to respect or trust the press. As they say, trust what he does, not what he says.

[Hawktawk]

Good lord we’re back to Tavaris 11 years , a hundred wins and 2 super bowl appearances later . He also chose to build around Russ which you all forget . Of course his style is motivational, positive minded but he can be critical not only of others but himself which former dude didn’t have that ability . As for Wilson and Bobby leaving as the 2 leaders on the team I heard an interesting Carrroll quote . Asked how the team would do without a vocal leader like Russell Pete said. “Russ said a lot of things but not everyone was buying into it “. Mmmmmm. Getcha popcorn 12th is coming

“ Why do you think Pete can build a second great team? I'm curious what you've seen in NFL history with head coaches to make you think Pete can do it a second time with the same team?

The 12th is coming and I'm not too worried about the QB, I'm more worried about our projected starters giving up 32 and 27 points to other team's scrub players while only putting up 25 against Pittsburgh who is in full rebuild mode and only 11 points against a Chicago team's 2nd and 3rd stringers with your guy Geno. The run defenses looks terrible. The overall defense looks suspect and we still don't know who is starting at CB and we're all hoping Boye Mafe turns out to be some kind of stud from day 1 because every other pass rusher we have just looks ok.

If you aren't seeing the problems that have nothing to do with the QB, you're not looking very close.

We were not playing many of our defensive starters including our heat seeking missile safeties . I saw a zillion missed tackles , all kinds of stuff that’s correctable . As for Pete building a “great “ team I guess it depends on the definition. Win a super bowl ? Some never have even gone . Lob ? We may have just drafted it . For his false starts Cross is one of 2 tackles not to surrender a pressure . The skill position group is potentially the best in team history . If they fix Lock it will be scary and it’s gonna scare some people if it’s Geno anyway . Lots of ifs with health but you know Asea I’ll take 10 wins on this reboot over 7-10 watching a guy who didn’t even want to be here . Whether Geno or Drew they will be all in and respectful of the coach .

[Aseahawkfan]

We were not playing many of our defensive starters including our heat seeking missile safeties . I saw a zillion missed tackles , all kinds of stuff that’s correctable . As for Pete building a “great “ team I guess it depends on the definition. Win a super bowl ? Some never have even gone . Lob ? We may have just drafted it . For his false starts Cross is one of 2 tackles not to surrender a pressure . The skill position group is potentially the best in team history . If they fix Lock it will be scary and it’s gonna scare some people if it’s Geno anyway . Lots of ifs with health but you know Asea I’ll take 10 wins on this reboot over 7-10 watching a guy who didn’t even want to be here . Whether Geno or Drew they will be all in and respectful of the coach .

LoB is unlikely to be reproduced. That's a once in a franchise lifetime unit.

Once again, QB is the least of our worries. We were playing starters. Mone and Ford are our projected starters on the defensive line and they were getting worked. At least one of the CBs are projected to start and we gave up tons of points and yards passing and running. We're getting pushed on the defensive line by scrub backup O-line players with our projected starters playing.

The only projected starters we haven't seen play are the safeties, Tyler and DK, and Penny because he was hurt again to start and Pete don't want to risk another injury for Penny before the season starts with Walker also hurt.

It doesn't look great right now on defense. Offense I'm not as worried about. We know the job of the QBs is to get the ball to the hands of the offensive skill players and let them do work. If they can't even do that, then we're really gonna suck but at least we'll know we need a QB badly.

But the defense looks pretty damn weak. I have trouble believing you don't see it. Maybe you're ignoring it, but our front seven do not look strong at all right now.

[RiverDog]

We were not playing many of our defensive starters including our heat seeking missile safeties . I saw a zillion missed tackles , all kinds of stuff that’s correctable . As for Pete building a “great “ team I guess it depends on the definition. Win a super bowl ? Some never have even gone . Lob ? We may have just drafted it . For his false starts Cross is one of 2 tackles not to surrender a pressure . The skill position group is potentially the best in team history . If they fix Lock it will be scary and it’s gonna scare some people if it’s Geno anyway . Lots of ifs with health but you know Asea I’ll take 10 wins on this reboot over 7-10 watching a guy who didn’t even want to be here . Whether Geno or Drew they will be all in and respectful of the coach .

Missed tackles aren't easily correctable. Tackling is pretty basic, a skill that is developed in high school and refined in college. If they learned bad habits there, they're going to be very difficult to break at the next level. No one had to teach Kam Chancellor or Bobby Wagner how to tackle.

We're playing a lot more of our starters, including defensive starters, than our opponents have been. Barton, Mone, and Taylor all got 1/3 of the defensive snaps vs. the Bears. That's the concern that ASF is expressing. We weren't trying to take down David Montgomery, the Bears starting RB and who never saw the ball. They were trying to take down rookies DeMontre Tuggle, a UFDA, and Trestan Ebner, a 6th round pick. If they're whiffing on those types of running backs, it's not going to bode well for trying to bring down Melvin Gordon and Javonte Williams when the regular season starts.

So far, this preseason has been rough. Pete's body language after the Bears game says it all. He's concerned. Although it's only the preseason and we still have plenty of time to get it right, things are not going according to plan. You're seeing only what you want to see and rationalizing that which doesn't fit your preconceived idea of what our team is like.

[Aseahawkfan]

Missed tackles aren't easily correctable. Tackling is pretty basic, a skill that is developed in high school and refined in college. If they learned bad habits there, they're going to be very difficult to break at the next level. No one had to teach Kam Chancellor or Bobby Wagner how to tackle.

We're playing a lot more of our starters, including defensive starters, than our opponents have been. Barton, Mone, and Taylor all got 1/3 of the defensive snaps vs. the Bears. That's the concern that ASF is expressing. We weren't trying to take down David Montgomery, the Bears starting RB and who never saw the ball. They were trying to take down rookies DeMontre Tuggle, a UFDA, and Trestan Ebner, a 6th round pick. If they're whiffing on those types of running backs, it's not going to bode well for trying to bring down Melvin Gordon and Javonte Williams when the regular season starts.

So far, this preseason has been rough. Pete's body language after the Bears game says it all. He's concerned. Although it's only the preseason and we still have plenty of time to get it right, things are not going according to plan. You're seeing only what you want to see and rationalizing that which doesn't fit your preconceived idea of what our team is like.

I have to say for myself some of the varnish has come off after watching these games. We were not good in either game. And we have a lot of rookies people seem to already see as pro bowlers and they haven't even played against top flight competition game planning or even any really good teams. I really won't have a feel for this team until we see them against starters when the competition level goes from guys who might not even be in the NFL to experienced starters who know how to attack weaknesses with a strong game plan. Until I see Cross or Lucas going against Bosa or some other stud pass rusher, hard for me to get a feel for how good they are.

And it would be real nice to know who the starting CBs are because Rams are going to eat us alive if we can't defend the pass along with many other teams with a strong passing game.

[RiverDog]

I have to say for myself some of the varnish has come off after watching these games. We were not good in either game. And we have a lot of rookies people seem to already see as pro bowlers and they haven't even played against top flight competition game planning or even any really good teams. I really won't have a feel for this team until we see them against starters when the competition level goes from guys who might not even be in the NFL to experienced starters who know how to attack weaknesses with a strong game plan. Until I see Cross or Lucas going against Bosa or some other stud pass rusher, hard for me to get a feel for how good they are.

And it would be real nice to know who the starting CBs are because Rams are going to eat us alive if we can't defend the pass along with many other teams with a strong passing game.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. We have A LOT of starting positions on both sides of the LOS that are up for grabs. Then you toss in the fact that preseason games are nothing more than a glorified scrimmage with a mix of veterans and bubble players going up against each other, many that will be on the street come September, and it's really hard to get a feel for this team. The vibes I've been picking up has been all bad, but who knows. We all felt pretty damn good after the preseason in the Mora year, and we all know how that turned out.

[Hawktawk]

There’s little hitting allowed . Results around the league this year are all over the map with supposed good teams gettIng beat by bad ones . I will worry when they look like this with live ammunition . I think safeties are the most important part of a defense and we’ve played neither starter . I think we’re fine . We’re playing a team that has a new Qb we know well and a rook head coach and it looks like Russ isn’t even going to play in the preseason . Not sure if that was his call or his boy Nathanial but at least whoever suits up for us is going to have had significant live fire experience . It’s a tailor made opportunity for 1-0 and a huge confidence boost in the “draft pick “ bowl . It’s only an opportunity but it’s right in front of them. That pathetic game in the second preseason game us the best thing that could happen to them .

[Aseahawkfan]

There’s little hitting allowed . Results around the league this year are all over the map with supposed good teams gettIng beat by bad ones . I will worry when they look like this with live ammunition . I think safeties are the most important part of a defense and we’ve played neither starter . I think we’re fine . We’re playing a team that has a new Qb we know well and a rook head coach and it looks like Russ isn’t even going to play in the preseason . Not sure if that was his call or his boy Nathanial but at least whoever suits up for us is going to have had significant live fire experience . It’s a tailor made opportunity for 1-0 and a huge confidence boost in the “draft pick “ bowl . It’s only an opportunity but it’s right in front of them. That pathetic game in the second preseason game us the best thing that could happen to them .

Chicago didn't have a problem holding us to 11 points with Geno at QB. But hey, keep making excuses until we see what these guys look like against starters.

[RiverDog]

There’s little hitting allowed . Results around the league this year are all over the map with supposed good teams gettIng beat by bad ones . I will worry when they look like this with live ammunition . I think safeties are the most important part of a defense and we’ve played neither starter . I think we’re fine . We’re playing a team that has a new Qb we know well and a rook head coach and it looks like Russ isn’t even going to play in the preseason . Not sure if that was his call or his boy Nathanial but at least whoever suits up for us is going to have had significant live fire experience . It’s a tailor made opportunity for 1-0 and a huge confidence boost in the “draft pick “ bowl . It’s only an opportunity but it’s right in front of them. That pathetic game in the second preseason game us the best thing that could happen to them .

That's true, there is little hitting allowed, which is one of the things why missed tackling isn't easy to correct because the only place you can practice it is in a live game or scrimmage. You can't fix it in light pads against a tackling dummy, which is one of the reasons why everyone is so concerned.

The two "heat seeking missiles" weren't much help last season. We were the 27th ranked defense with them. Safeties aren't much good if they're always making tackles 10-15 yards downfield, which was too often the case last season.

We'll see how we look Friday against the 'Pukes, but the results of the first two preseason games are not encouraging.

[Old but Slow]

My reading of the QB situation (not a competition), is that Smith will start the season as the starter to save Lock from the pressure of playing Denver. Smith would then start another game or two, and then, if the script holds together, Lock will come in to save the season. Am I ever wrong?

Often wrong, but never uncertain.

[RiverDog]

My reading of the QB situation (not a competition), is that Smith will start the season as the starter to save Lock from the pressure of playing Denver. Smith would then start another game or two, and then, if the script holds together, Lock will come in to save the season. Am I ever wrong?

Often wrong, but never uncertain.

Good point about Lock facing his old team, especially considering that it's the home opener on national TV, MNF. It would make sense to give him a soft start, on the road against someone like the Lions. Don't set him up for failure. That's something that I hadn't thought about.

And as far as you're never being wrong, what was the name of that running back that we just signed?

[Hawktawk]

I thought of it last night . It’s a real disadvantage facing guys who were your coaches and teammates . We have the advantage, why hand it back . Whatever else may be said of Geno he seems unflappable, emotionless under pressure . I think he has quite a stiffy for Russ after being forced to the bench after an outstanding performance for a shutout and sh#t show too . I’d say if he was told to pick one start it would be this one .

I hope both guys play terrific tomorrow and there are no injuries .I hope receivers catch the ball so we can truly guage these QBs . I’ve heard Pete say he’s not opposed to playing both guys . I can’t think of many examples where it’s been successful but who knows .

[TriCitySam]

Really??? You're gonna disrespect Mudbone like that? You can't compare numbers from Kreigs era to today. Of course Lock's resume is nowhere near deep enough to be compared to Kreig, a Pro Bowl caliber player during his era. We would be a SB caliber team if Lock became what Kreig was compared to his peers.

As any of my posts over the years have stated, I loved Krieg, although he was never considered a franchise QB in his day. There was zero disrespect in that post: 1) the post was based on pure #'s, which doesn't count the other more important traits; 2) I stated it was a different era (you musta missed that) and 3) I said Lock's resume wasn't deep enough to compare. Lock only has 21 starts - less than a season and a half. The point being, Mudbone wasn't so sharp in his first 21 starts either. As was common, Krieg got to sit on the bench for nearly 3 1/2 years before being anointed the full time starter. Lock was labeled a bust after a year and a half.....and he may be, but IMHO maybe not given the time to develop. Only the extreme few come out of the gate running.

[Hawktawk]

Excellent article on Geno. Quite a bit more to him than a guy who got hit in the face withy an ugly stick. https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/8/25/23 ... -drew-lock

[Oly]

This is what I don’t understand about long time die hard fans rooting to lose this year for next years draft . We had this discussion in 2010 when the Seattle Seahawks entered week 17 at 6-9 still alive in the division race vs the 7-8 rams . Don’t win the game ! Gonna cost us draft position ! But Whitehurst did enough .,then Saints come to town and we get to watch one of the most iconic runs in NFL history till we die and I’m sure there were fans pissed about that costing us picks . I NEVER pick Seattle to lose . Never root for it . I’ll never understand it . Last I checked the league is littered with high first round picks sitting on the bench or playing like crap . We got our greatest qb in the 3rd , linebacker in the second . Sherm was what ? 5-6? The goat was 6. I hope Geno starts and throws 35 TDs , wins 12. He has the tools to do it . I hope Lock starts and wins 13.
I hope we kick the league right in the teeth because in my 40 plus years as a fan I’ve never seen Seattle Seahawks so underrated and disrespected as a coaching staff, as an organization and many players individually greatly underrated. I think there will be some surprised people this year .

Totally fair. Of course, I want the Hawks to win and in every game I watch, I'll be rooting for them to win. If Lock or Smith look like the heir apparent and the rookies kick ass, I'll be thrilled and eat all of the crow. It's just that when I take a step back and ask what's best for the long-term success of the team, I think it's with an elite QB in next year's draft. I suppose I was envisioning a choice between these two options:

A: Two years of suckage until the shiny new QB turns out*
B: Years of mediocrity where the Hawks can't get into the top 10 and get a blue chip prospect.

*You're right, of course, that Russ was a 3rd rounder, etc., and that the draft is somewhat of a crapshoot. But it's not a total crapshoot; plenty of people have looked at the distribution of franchise QBs in different rounds and, not surprisingly, the first round produces the most. The Hawks' chances for a great QB go up a ton with a pick in the top 3.

But, like I said, your point is a fair one and even one I've argued in the past. I guess I have been spoiled by the PC/JS years and don't want to go back to the 90s-type run of mediocrity again. It's like the sports version of Revelation 3:15-16; give me hot or cold, but not lukewarm.

[RiverDog]

Really??? You're gonna disrespect Mudbone like that? You can't compare numbers from Kreigs era to today. Of course Lock's resume is nowhere near deep enough to be compared to Kreig, a Pro Bowl caliber player during his era. We would be a SB caliber team if Lock became what Kreig was compared to his peers.

As any of my posts over the years have stated, I loved Krieg, although he was never considered a franchise QB in his day. There was zero disrespect in that post: 1) the post was based on pure #'s, which doesn't count the other more important traits; 2) I stated it was a different era (you musta missed that) and 3) I said Lock's resume wasn't deep enough to compare. Lock only has 21 starts - less than a season and a half. The point being, Mudbone wasn't so sharp in his first 21 starts either. As was common, Krieg got to sit on the bench for nearly 3 1/2 years before being anointed the full time starter. Lock was labeled a bust after a year and a half.....and he may be, but IMHO maybe not given the time to develop. Only the extreme few come out of the gate running.

I don't mean to butt into this exchange, but IMO disrespect isn't the right word. A more fitting term would be a lack of appreciation.

Dave Krieg played in 19 NFL seasons. When he retired, he was ranked 6th all time in career passing yardage. The only three QB's in his era with better career numbers are Marino, Montana, and Elway, all legendary HOF'ers. His completion percentage of 58.5% was better than Elway's 56.9%, slightly worse than Marino's 59.2%. He is currently ranked 10th all time consecutive games with at least one TD pass. He ranks 15th all time with 98 career wins as a starting quarterback. In 2020, he was nominated to the Pro Football HOF.

While I agree that Krieg's resume is not worthy of a gold jacket, the only thing holding him back from a HOF induction being his turnovers and his lack of post season success, it is certainly good enough to be considered a franchise quarterback, a term that describes roughly 10-12 players in any given season.

[Hawktawk]

I remember Knox being asked if Krieg was good enough to win it all “ if everybody does their job , yes” Krieg was a great hawk and one that was discarded far too soon for the likes of stouffer and mcquire as Krieg had many more productive seasons as a chief , lion and Cardinal . I remember driving down the road listening to 50year old Krieg beat the hell out if Seattle as a cardinal , hang like 4 TDs and 400 yards on them a good half decade after he was released.

[trents]

According to the Seahawk's Wire, Pete has announced that Geno will be the starting QB.