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by **NorthHawk** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:26 am

They were never good enough as a team to win against the Rams. We were pushed all over the field on both sides
of the ball. That score flattered us and it wasn’t the QBs fault as games are won and lost at the LoS.
We were out coached, out talented, and outplayed.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:02 am

Hawktawk wrote:Easy to forget this garbage roster was 12-4 a year ago then someone went 11-29 for 141 and a pick 6 in the WC . Lost to a team we beat 2 weeks earlier . Is that the roster or something else ? This team looks like it’s got some talent . Let’s find out .

At the time, even you admitted that our roster wasn't anywhere close to what our record would indicate, that we played way over our heads that season. Heck, with the season on the line in the playoffs, our defense couldn't stop a backup quarterback and his replacement that played with an injured finger on his throwing hand.

by **obiken** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:28 pm

Jimmy G is probably going to end up in NY. Pete is tanking but cannot say he is tanking. I think is done no matter what anyway.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 1:51 pm

Apparently the 9ers are giving Jimmy’s Agent permission to seek a trade.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 3:02 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Apparently the 9ers are giving Jimmy’s Agent permission to seek a trade.

Yeah, time is getting short. Training camps open next Monday. If something is going to happen, we should find out by this weekend.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:53 pm

There was a report that he should be cleared by doctors by mid August. I doubt a trade will happen until teams
get to check him out with their own medical staff and see him throw.

by **jshawaii22** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:12 pm

He's had permission to seek a trade since middle of March (per PFT) -- that means that pretty much any team that wants him could/can try to get him and it's been crickets around the league. Could be his injury status or his salary, which SF and Jimmy G would have to eat about 75% of or any other reasons, but if we really wanted him, we could probably have him by now. We also can't afford him under the cap.
Personally, I don't want him or anyone else right now. We need to non-tank to about 3-5 wins and grab one of the top 3 QB's coming out and keep and use those other 3 high picks to get our roster in better shape going forward.
Besides, if you were Jimmy G, coming off a major injury would you want to go to a team with 2 (at least) rookie tackles on the O-line?

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:06 pm

I could certainly understand him not wanting to play behind such an inexperienced OL.
It might even make him a bit skittish. Trading for him and assuming his salary or even a large part of it
and not knowing how the surgery went is too much of a gamble for teams, not to mention the trade capital
a team would have to give up. So I would think nothing is going to happen until he’s cleared to play and
teams can see him throw.

by **I-5** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 11:46 am

I have no idea where Jimmy Garropolo will end up, whether he gets traded or released. How do you feel about him in Seattle? I'm intrigued by it, if only for the gnashing of teeth it will cause in SF. The timing is very tricky because I think Pete really thinks he has something in Lock, but if they see Jimmy available and go after him, how can they not play him as soon as possible? Would they sign him to a favorable contract as an insurance QB?

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:12 pm

I-5 wrote:I have no idea where Jimmy Garropolo will end up, whether he gets traded or released. How do you feel about him in Seattle? I'm intrigued by it, if only for the gnashing of teeth it will cause in SF. The timing is very tricky because I think Pete really thinks he has something in Lock, but if they see Jimmy available and go after him, how can they not play him as soon as possible? Would they sign him to a favorable contract as an insurance QB?

I think it’s too close to the season plus the guy is coming off throwing shoulder surgery when arm strength has always been an issue . Our crap team swept them and regularly beat him. Then there’s his actual stats , 20 TDs and 12 picks . 1.8 TD to pick ratio . Genos was 5-1 .

Where is the beef ? Why are people on his jock ? If GMs around the league thought he was all that he’s been allowed to seek a trade for 5 weeks . Even Mayfield found a team . I’ve heard Cleveland may have interest in him with their situation as a 1 year rental . But I can’t see Seattle bringing him in this close to the season and expecting him to start . Don’t think it’s gonna Happen but who knows. Wait and see .

by **Aseahawkfan** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:19 pm

I have no interest in Jimmie whatsoever. He'd just be another scrap heap QB Pete is talking up until he and John can draft another franchise QB.

by **TriCitySam** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:55 pm

"I think it’s too close to the season plus the guy is coming off throwing shoulder surgery when arm strength has always been an issue .

Concur. At this point pretty difficult to come in and be comfortable with the playbook and such. Shoulder is a wild card.

On another, looks like when the NFL Top 100 is completed (NFL Network), RW will have 10 QB's rated ahead of him. I'm sure that will not sit well.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:48 pm

TriCitySam wrote:"I think it’s too close to the season plus the guy is coming off throwing shoulder surgery when arm strength has always been an issue .

Concur. At this point pretty difficult to come in and be comfortable with the playbook and such. Shoulder is a wild card.

On another, looks like when the NFL Top 100 is completed (NFL Network), RW will have 10 QB's rated ahead of him. I'm sure that will not sit well.

Well its kind of been my analysis for a while now too. For every Peyton Manning there's a Cam Newton etc. Not everyone goes 15 plus years. Russ said after his Rams masterpiece a couple years ago " I'm tired of getting hit so much". His game looks exactly like a guy that's been hit too much. Hopefully he really gets hit too much on the 12th. I imagine Seattle is a 3 or 4 point home dog but if they could pull it off the fans in Denver :lol:

oh the humanity

Wheres the flight data recorder? :lol:

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 4:58 pm

NorthHawk wrote:They were never good enough as a team to win against the Rams. We were pushed all over the field on both sides
of the ball. That score flattered us and it wasn’t the QBs fault as games are won and lost at the LoS.
We were out coached, out talented, and outplayed.

They beat the Rams 3 weeks earlier and went 12-4. Sure you can outperform your talent and no shame losing in the postseason but the highest paid QB in the league going 11-29-141 yards, pick 6 is not the line or the teams fault. Aaron Donald was injured and missed most of the second half too. I dont understand everyone defending a guy who crapped out on this organization and city after being treated like royalty for 10 years , handled with kid gloves. The guy you Idolize left a long time ago

he had great moments. yes many. But that WC turd was not one and it was maybe the last playoff game of his career. He aint going this year . There's no defense for a performance like that was and a real leader would have stood up and said I sucked, I've got to get better . I apologize to my teammates and the fans for that dreadful performance. But you will never hear Russ be hard on himself. Looking forward to his excuses this year now that hes on team a QB away.

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:38 pm

When it counted we were out coached, out played, and out talented. We didn’t belong on
the same field that day. A total exposure of the sham we had become as a team. Not at
all ready to compete for a championship.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:05 pm

NorthHawk wrote:When it counted we were out coached, out played, and out talented. We didn’t belong on
the same field that day. A total exposure of the sham we had become as a team. Not at
all ready to compete for a championship.

We've had bad tackling the past few years. Everyone was blaming Ken Norton Jr. for it along with all the other bad defensive moves like Carroll isn't a defensive guru coach that knows full well how to diagnose and fix problems better than any of his defensive subordinates. He couldn't fix it because the talent was bad. You can't fix bad talent with scheme.

by **RiverDog** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:11 am

NorthHawk wrote:When it counted we were out coached, out played, and out talented. We didn’t belong on
the same field that day. A total exposure of the sham we had become as a team. Not at
all ready to compete for a championship.

Aseahawkfan wrote:We've had bad tackling the past few years. Everyone was blaming Ken Norton Jr. for it along with all the other bad defensive moves like Carroll isn't a defensive guru coach that knows full well how to diagnose and fix problems better than any of his defensive subordinates. He couldn't fix it because the talent was bad. You can't fix bad talent with scheme.

This I agree with. Players come to the NFL with a certain set of acquired skills, and tackling is one of them. They are either good tacklers or they aren't. Most spent 7-8 years in organized contact football and have developed a muscle memory that either lends itself to good form and fundamentals or they've developed sloppy habits that are very difficult to break. It's like teaching a wide receiver good hand-eye coordination.

by **Hawktawk** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:12 am

NorthHawk wrote:When it counted we were out coached, out played, and out talented. We didn’t belong on
the same field that day. A total exposure of the sham we had become as a team. Not at
all ready to compete for a championship.

And exposed nobody more then Wilson who fell off a cliff . Not sure what Coach could win any game with his qb going 11-29 141 yards pick 6 . They played bad but Russ was the worst player on the field by a lot .

I said after the game it was a hollow feeling 12 win season and my biggest question mark was Russ . Unfortunately it wasn’t a good answer . But knowing what’s public knowledge it’s gonna be addition by subtraction here and subtraction by addition in Denver .

by **Hawktawk** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:15 am

Tackling in preseason doesn’t worry me . Let’s see . I think the 9ers got shut out by the Texans . KC went 1-2. It’s preseason . Talk to me on the 12th . If they can’t tackle in the game I’ll come to your side . It’s freakin preseason .

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 6:48 am

And exposed nobody more then Wilson who fell off a cliff . Not sure what Coach could win any game with his qb going 11-29 141 yards pick 6 . They played bad but Russ was the worst player on the field by a lot .

I said after the game it was a hollow feeling 12 win season and my biggest question mark was Russ . Unfortunately it wasn’t a good answer . But knowing what’s public knowledge it’s gonna be addition by subtraction here and subtraction by addition in Denver .

I didn't realize Wilson played on the OL and DL where we got pushed around all day.
We were embarrassed by the Rams and shown to be the least talented team to make the playoffs that year.
We didn't belong on the same field.
Poorly coached.
Out played.
Out talented.

by **RiverDog** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:18 am

Hawktawk wrote:Tackling in preseason doesn’t worry me . Let’s see . I think the 9ers got shut out by the Texans . KC went 1-2. It’s preseason . Talk to me on the 12th . If they can’t tackle in the game I’ll come to your side . It’s freakin preseason .

You're unconcerned because until we actually start racking up losses in the regular season, nothing that happens on the field or off is going to change the narrative that you've convinced yourself of, ie that we're a minimum 12 win team, that we're going to kick the Broncos to the moon, and so on, and so on. No amount of bad news or poor performances is going to convince you otherwise. In your mind, everything is rainbows and unicorns.

Tackling concerns Pete, as well it should. Here's some random quotes:

Following the Pittsburgh game: "Pete Carroll's biggest beef, at least without watching the film, is how poorly his team tackled. Says most of the big plays they gave up were due to bad tackling."

Following the Bears game: “I’m going to check on the tacklers. The guys that are missing them. I think that’s the most important thing to me right now. I want to see who’s missing tackles and fix that problem,” said Carroll. “We’ve got to clean some stuff up with some guys and, you know, if they don’t get it right then they won’t be able to be here. We’ll get guys that can.”

And from the bean counters:

Missed tackles have been a glaring issue for Seattle so far this preseason, as they've missed 29 tackles as a team over their first two games.

Pete's press conference after the Bears game was out of character for him. Rarely does he threaten players in public like he did. Tackling is obviously on his mind, as well it should be.

I'll be keeping a close eye on how well our defense tackles tonight. If they can't stop these 2nd and 3rd stringers, I can't see how they're going to be able to put licks on Denver's two very good RB's.

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:31 am

I wonder if Pete still has his "Tackling Classes" like they did around 2012.
Tackling isn't something that can just be turned on - it has to be learned and techniques reinforced usually by repetition.

by **Hawktawk** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:09 am

Its the preseason . They have over 2 weeks to work on fundamentals . I see 2 sides to a missed tackle . Bad finish but the athlete and scheme put him in a position to make the play . Let’s see the regular season with our starters before we jump off a cliff . If they tackle like that vs Denver and you hear about a hawks fan jumping off the stadium it was me .nice knowing you all .

I think we will stop denver more then they will stop us . Let’s just see .

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:15 am

Tackling isn't something that can be learned quickly because of the CBA limits on contact so I hope he's still doing the tackling lessons and reinforcing how to properly tackle a player.
I'm hoping that the lessons started in OTA's where it would have been described and emphasized then in TC practiced.
However, it doesn't look like they have done much work on it by the first two games. Maybe it will be different tonight.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:24 pm

Hawktawk wrote:And exposed nobody more then Wilson who fell off a cliff . Not sure what Coach could win any game with his qb going 11-29 141 yards pick 6 . They played bad but Russ was the worst player on the field by a lot .

I said after the game it was a hollow feeling 12 win season and my biggest question mark was Russ . Unfortunately it wasn’t a good answer . But knowing what’s public knowledge it’s gonna be addition by subtraction here and subtraction by addition in Denver .

Russell Wilson's cliff is better than Geno or Lock's best games ever statistically. You pretend you're a football guy, but all you do is obsess over Russell Wilson and ignore all the other statistics clearly showing this team is headed for bad, bad times that have zero to do with the QB. Absolutely nothing to do with the QB like the bad run defense, the giving up of passing yards, and worst of all giving up tons of points while our projected starters go against other team's scrub players who won't even make their teams.

by **Hawktawk** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:03 pm

Wilson’s game against the Rams in the 2020 playoffs was one of the worst performances I’ve ever watched from any man in the uniform in the postseason . It was off a cliff . It has nothing to do with his previous body of work but it was a horrible terrible performance and it was not anyones fault but his own . And his response was the most wimpy thing I ever heard an NFL qb say , forget a Seahawk qb .

I doubt Geno would have been that bad . We know he put a 31-7 laugher up last time he played and Russ put up 27 the next 3 games . Russ isn’t better then many QBs these days and he’s not gonna improve in Denver .

And if Geno starts and our key offensive players stay healthy we will outscore Denver this season .

by **RiverDog** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:24 pm

This just in. Jimmy G. is staying with the Niners:

Jimmy Garoppolo will stay in San Francisco for the 2022 season after an offseason full of conjecture. KRON4 confirmed Monday that the 49ers restructured the quarterback’s contract, and he will stay with the team.

ESPN reported that Garoppolo’s new contract has a no-trade clause and a clause that does not allow the 49ers to use their franchise tag on him. It will enable Garoppolo to be a free agent after the 2023 season.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/49e ... -for-2022/

by **c_hawkbob** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:32 pm

RiverDog wrote:This just in. Jimmy G. is staying with the Niners:

Jimmy Garoppolo will stay in San Francisco for the 2022 season after an offseason full of conjecture. KRON4 confirmed Monday that the 49ers restructured the quarterback’s contract, and he will stay with the team.

ESPN reported that Garoppolo’s new contract has a no-trade clause and a clause that does not allow the 49ers to use their franchise tag on him. It will enable Garoppolo to be a free agent after the 2023 season.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/49e ... -for-2022/

Not sure I'd close that book just yet, renegotiating that contract may well be a step toward an actual trade. I didn't realize he had a no trade clause.

by **TriCitySam** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:40 pm

They had given him permission to seek a trade in March, so his team had time to discuss it with the Hawks. Obviously for whatever reason that didn't happen, if they had interest it would seem unlikely he would take the $6.5MM - and I'm a little surprised SF redid his deal - in part because it had been reported that he was not attending practice, meetings and was not even given a playbook. Weird. Maybe they aren't sold on Lance afterall.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:52 pm

RiverDog wrote:This just in. Jimmy G. is staying with the Niners:

Jimmy Garoppolo will stay in San Francisco for the 2022 season after an offseason full of conjecture. KRON4 confirmed Monday that the 49ers restructured the quarterback’s contract, and he will stay with the team.

ESPN reported that Garoppolo’s new contract has a no-trade clause and a clause that does not allow the 49ers to use their franchise tag on him. It will enable Garoppolo to be a free agent after the 2023 season.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/49e ... -for-2022/

Hopefully that closes the book on this junkyard QB. We have too many junkyard QBs on the teams as it is.

by **govandals** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:54 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Not sure I'd close that book just yet, renegotiating that contract may well be a step toward an actual trade. I didn't realize he had a no trade clause.

Initially, I thought that as well. I just read where is 2022 cap hit is 18-19 million. No one will take on that cap hit for him. I'm glad he re-signed in SF as I don't want to see him in Seattle. Honestly, I'd be very surprised if Pete would be interested anyway.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:04 pm

RiverDog wrote:This just in. Jimmy G. is staying with the Niners:

Jimmy Garoppolo will stay in San Francisco for the 2022 season after an offseason full of conjecture. KRON4 confirmed Monday that the 49ers restructured the quarterback’s contract, and he will stay with the team.

ESPN reported that Garoppolo’s new contract has a no-trade clause and a clause that does not allow the 49ers to use their franchise tag on him. It will enable Garoppolo to be a free agent after the 2023 season.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/49e ... -for-2022/

c_hawkbob wrote:Not sure I'd close that book just yet, renegotiating that contract may well be a step toward an actual trade. I didn't realize he had a no trade clause.

The way I read it, he didn't have a no trade clause, meaning his old contract, rather he has a no trade clause, as in his new deal.

Of course, a trade is possible, but if I read that correctly, now that he has a no trade clause, it will limit the Niners' options. IMO he's sticking with the Niners this season.

by **obiken** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:10 pm

Which tells me, that management feels a tray Lance is not ready yet. Jimmy G, coming back in my opinion, is a huge mistake for them. You moved up gave up all those draft picks and if he’s not ready yet, they’re in trouble anyway!

by **RiverDog** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:27 pm

obiken wrote:Which tells me, that management feels a tray Lance is not ready yet. Jimmy G, coming back in my opinion, is a huge mistake for them. You moved up gave up all those draft picks and if he’s not ready yet, they’re in trouble anyway!

The Niners wouldn't have made the public statements they did if they felt Lance wasn't ready yet.

The Niners are a legitimate SB contender, and keeping Jimmy G. in the stable, although expensive, is a nice insurance policy in case Lance gets injured. Garoppolo might not be a top shelf starting QB, but he will be the most experienced and capable backup in the league. Most teams would be dead in the water if they lost their starting QB halfway through the season.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:52 pm

The 9ers qb room just became a train wreck. All this blather about it being Trey lances team and he will have a guy who went to a super bowl looking over his shoulder . It’s a desperate move by the 9ers , reportedly they were afraid of him winding up in Seattle which may have factored into thus decision. Why are they worried about garbage Seattle and their washed up coach no matter who the qb. Or maybe they think by forcing Seattle to play Geno they might even beat Seattle which they don’t often do . Note to Seattle fans. It’s Geno smith until further notice .

by **RiverDog** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:52 pm

Here's a few more details on Garoppolo's re-worked contract. From Adam Schefter:

Jimmy Garoppolo and the 49ers agreed to a restructured one-year contract that will keep the quarterback in San Francisco this season, per sources. The contract contains a no-trade and no-tag clause on it, assuring Garoppolo will remain in San Francisco this season and have the freedom to leave in 2023. Garoppolo now will serve as Trey Lance’s backup this season. Garoppolo’s one-year restructured deal is worth $6.5 million in base, fully guaranteed, per sources. He has another total of $500k in roster bonuses. He also has playtime bonuses that can boost it another nearly $9M. So, one year, $7M, up to just shy of $16M.

by **Stream Hawk** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:54 pm

Still rather be in their QB camp than ours. And it’s not even close! Shanahan is a genius so they should be OK. Lance has extreme potential.
Never understood why they even traded for Jimmy G because his ceiling is clearly not very high. Although it is much higher than Geno’s. Again, I hope I’m wrong and I’m sorry for all the pessimism. I just don’t trust Pete & his quarterback evaluations right now.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:27 pm

Stream Hawk wrote:Still rather be in their QB camp than ours. And it’s not even close! Shanahan is a genius so they should be OK. Lance has extreme potential.
Never understood why they even traded for Jimmy G because his ceiling is clearly not very high. Although it is much higher than Geno’s. Again, I hope I’m wrong and I’m sorry for all the pessimism. I just don’t trust Pete & his quarterback evaluations right now.

That’s why they play the games . We haven’t seen Geno smith in a regular season opener in 8 years . That’s backing up 3 hall of fame guys and obviously studying the playbook quite a bit ago . Last regular season game I saw him in he completed 80% of his passes. I just got a feeling Geno is going to really surprise some people with a few months of time with the 1s to prepare instead of 1 minute last year . Getcha popcorn . Team Geno ! Just like KJ and Pete !

by **RiverDog** » Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:16 am

Stream Hawk wrote:Still rather be in their QB camp than ours. And it’s not even close! Shanahan is a genius so they should be OK. Lance has extreme potential.
Never understood why they even traded for Jimmy G because his ceiling is clearly not very high. Although it is much higher than Geno’s. Again, I hope I’m wrong and I’m sorry for all the pessimism. I just don’t trust Pete & his quarterback evaluations right now.

If it hadn't been for Shanny going so public about the situation, I'd say that their QB room would be just fine, but he dissed Jimmy G. to such a degree that it's going to take a supreme effort by him to swallow his pride and adapt to his new, former role as a backup QB.

It puts a lot of pressure on Trey Lance. He has to perform, and he most definitely wasn't ready for Prime Time last season. If the Niners start out slow, it will create a genuine QB controversy as Jimmy G.'s record, at least on the surface, is very impressive. The Niners have to win and win early.

Taking a peak at their early schedule, the Niners open on the road at Chicago, play us in their home opener, at in Denver on SNF, then at home vs. the Rams on MNF. The only gimme is the Bears as we swept them last season (albeit with a healthy Russell Wilson) while Denver and the Rams are both highly ranked. If they don't come out of that early stretch at least 2-2, the natives will be restless.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:07 am

JG's new contract makes it easier to trade him. There's no $24M Cap hit to deal with so if Garoppolo really wants to start, he would waive the no trade
clause and try to get a longer term deal with a new team. Long term, SF doesn't want him so even though they are keeping him on the roster it isn't
costing them nearly as much. However, there is the issue of having to cut another player to keep JG so that's a negative.
I wonder if part of keeping him is Seattle sniffing around him when he got permission to seek a trade? That would be another incentive to keep him.
We'll see how desperate Pete gets when we lose most of our starting games and if he again panics and makes a bad trade. I think it's possible if not
probable that it happens.

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