Battle in Seattle for QB1

[Hawktawk]

So name the teams that Geno could replace the starting QB in the NFL today.
The only possibilities I could see are the Giants and the Texans - and those are maybe's as they look to have a future whereas Geno is near the end.
I seriously doubt he would be on a team if Seattle hadn't signed him as a backup a few years ago and now have a huge hole at QB.

I think we’re gonna see how bad or good he is shortly . 2021 Geno played damn decent football . He’s simply in that category of guys who fail first time around and never get another consideration . Obviously he’s not who he was his entire career . 68.5 completion % 5 TDs , 1 rush TD, 102 qbr , no picks in 3 starts including 2 very strong pass defenses . Those are starter numbers . The DK numbers 17-21, 251 yards , 4 TDs and a qbr of 151 for Geno is ridiculous . But it don’t matter to the Debbie’s .he’s geno , he sucks, lock sucks . Many GMs with a thousand options feel the same way . But we have a coach and GM here who can evaluate talent at the position and they want him . When he outplayes Wilson we can talk . He’s still got a chubby from Green Bay I assure you . Lots of hawks do .
Any 6’3.5 guy who can read the field and has a very strong accurate gun and a set of wheels can start in the league . I won’t play a silly game of which starter he’s probably better then . It’s longer than yours .
Tune in sept 12 .

[TriCitySam]

Well, the Seahawks have two of the all time fumblers in their past (Krieg & Moon), both 58% completion rate and 81 QB rating (Lock is 59%) and 79), Matt was slightly better, but not by much. Dilfer was worse, but won a SB.

And no, I'm not gonna argue Lock is as good as Matt or Moon. Mudbone? Maybe, I don't think Lock's resume is deep enough. Just saying, and I know then isn't now, his fumbles and int per attempt are better than those - if you have a system in place to maximize his strengths and minimize weakness- and the right team around him. You can have some success. Not ideal, but it can be done.

[Hawktawk]

Well, the Seahawks have two of the all time fumblers in their past (Krieg & Moon), both 58% completion rate and 81 QB rating (Lock is 59%) and 79), Matt was slightly better, but not by much. Dilfer was worse, but won a SB.

And no, I'm not gonna argue Lock is as good as Matt or Moon. Mudbone? Maybe, I don't think Lock's resume is deep enough. Just saying, and I know then isn't now, his fumbles and int per attempt are better than those - if you have a system in place to maximize his strengths and minimize weakness- and the right team around him. You can have some success. Not ideal, but it can be done.

I love the potential of lock . His physique and game remind me of a cross between Josh Allen and Matt Stafford . But what happened Saturday is alarming , especially since he picked it up earlier . Lack of concentration or focus? It was his rap in Denver . Lack of confidence was another mark against him . I’m surprised at your statistics regarding moon in particular . I expected his completion% would be higher as I considered him a thrower of one of the most beautiful balls in history . Loved Mudbone. It’s hard to judge guys who played in an era where you could lay out a receiver and body slam a quarterback . If I have a comparison with Geno it would be Hass . Not explosive but more athletic than people think . Nice accurate throws underneath between the hashes and in the seams . Not known for deep bombs . They even have the same weird drop down 3/4 delivery which can cause tipped balls . Geno has a bigger arm , more than most casual observers realize .

I was almost as fascinated with Genos much improved accuracy as Pennys resurgence last year . And so far this year Geno 66% with 2 drops and a step out of bounds . Drew 68% 2 TDs . Another guy who threw 10% higher than his career %. Is it possible Seattle knows how to coach up quarterbacks ? Ol Pete know something ? Fun fact Drew Lock started the last 3 games last year . I believe he threw 1 total TD with no picks and went 0-3 with a team supposedly a Russel Wilson away from contending . It’s all gonna factor in . Very similar sample size starting last year .
But one more thing . Tyler Polumbus said of Lock he really doesn’t know if he has what it takes or not but “ he’s never had a coach like Pete Carroll “
Let’s see.

[RiverDog]

Lock helped himself last night by simply not being on the field. I can hear Pete and the coaching staff: "Well, Drew didn't make any mistakes last night, so let's give him a shot at a starting position." It's like celebrating the fact that your team didn't get beat during their bye week.

[mykc14]

And no, I'm not gonna argue Lock is as good as Matt or Moon. Mudbone? Maybe, I don't think Lock's resume is deep enough. Just saying, and I know then isn't now, his fumbles and int per attempt are better than those - if you have a system in place to maximize his strengths and minimize weakness- and the right team around him. You can have some success. Not ideal, but it can be done.

Really??? You're gonna disrespect Mudbone like that? You can't compare numbers from Kreigs era to today. Of course Lock's resume is nowhere near deep enough to be compared to Kreig, a Pro Bowl caliber player during his era. We would be a SB caliber team if Lock became what Kreig was compared to his peers.

[RiverDog]

And no, I'm not gonna argue Lock is as good as Matt or Moon. Mudbone? Maybe, I don't think Lock's resume is deep enough. Just saying, and I know then isn't now, his fumbles and int per attempt are better than those - if you have a system in place to maximize his strengths and minimize weakness- and the right team around him. You can have some success. Not ideal, but it can be done.

Really??? You're gonna disrespect Mudbone like that? You can't compare numbers from Kreigs era to today. Of course Lock's resume is nowhere near deep enough to be compared to Kreig, a Pro Bowl caliber player during his era. We would be a SB caliber team if Lock became what Kreig was compared to his peers.

I agree with mykc. The only thing that Drew Lock has even remotely in common with Mudbone is turnovers, and even that is a little deceptive as Mudbone's problem was mostly fumbles whereas Lock's are interceptions. Mudbone has HOF quality numbers and would be wearing a gold jacket if not for his lack of post season success and his fumbles.

I also agree with comparing 1980's era QB's with their modern-day counterparts. There was a lot higher percentage of 15-30 yard passes back then. I remember seeing a graphic on Steve Largent one season, that out of his 70 some receptions at that particular point of the season, all but 3 or 4 did not result in either a first down or touchdown, which tells you that nearly all of his targets were of the longer, lower percentage type.

A good example is Dan Marino, arguably the best QB of that era. His career completion percentage was 59.4% and would likely be deemed unacceptable in today's game where 60% seems to be the minimum standard for a starting QB. Last season, the only QB's with 200+ attempts that didn't have a completion percentage higher than Marino's 59.4% were Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields, and Zach Wilson. Rodgers, Carr, Jimmy G., Prescott, Burrow, and Murray all had 68%+ completion percentages in 2021.

[tarlhawk]

Its difficult to follow the reasoning of a QB competition when you have an uneven comparison...our team depth is still quite a drop when comparing the "twos" to the "ones"...our pre-season games have exposed this already...a QB needs his play makers to display his full range of floor to ceiling...the first 4 games of the season can set the tone of expectations and even though its not "how you start" but "how you finish" in the NFL...I feel a young roster feeds more off momentum than a heavy veteran team. Geno has displayed talent when an offense is "shaped to fit" (spread offense fueled by quick reads and release)...but his window of opportunity met the reality of the NFL and at best paints a "what if" ...his start had been different in his career.

Drew Lock has also "stumbled" out of the gate in his NFL career but unlike Geno he has the youth and even better arm talent to rekindle the hope of maximizing that talent with proper coaching and some outstanding play making support (RB/WR/TE). QB confidence is the "X-factor" and Geno has shown he has it...I feel Drew has a taste of confidence but separated from the "ones" his confidence hasn't been fully realized yet. Sadly covid has made another impact on his development. An unfinished story??

[NorthHawk]

Clearly Lock doesn't have fortune on his side as Geno knew the playbook and was familiar with the Offense and players while Lock got hit by Covid to add to his disadvantage.
Neither QB has shown the ability to win games by themselves and if Pete wants to continue to keep the score close and win at the end, it's probably destined to be a failure.
If you want to talk just arm talent, Eason showed he is every bit as good as the other two and maybe better than both, but what separates QBs is handling pressure and
understanding the opposing Defenses and how to take advantage of them.
What little I've seen of both Geno and Lock is a lack of touch. I'm not sure they can throw an accurate deep ball on a regular basis either which is what Pete wants to do.
Maybe it's just how the plays evolved and they can do it, but it has to be taken into account when evaluating.

[tarlhawk]

I agree with most of your opinion...however Jacob Eason doesn't easily fall into the "similar if not better arm strength" category. He has a "cannon" for an arm but needs to be in base form with shoulders square to his target when throwing to avoid wild throws. In the NFL a QB is not often afforded the opportunity to properly get his feet set and shoulders square before releasing...arm "talent" is the ability to throw any throw from various arm angles and without your feet always properly set...Lock has shown this in flashes...a QB like Aaron Rogers consistently shows off such arm talent...so Eason has shown arm strength but I wouldn't label it as comparative arm talent.

[NorthHawk]

I agree with most of your opinion...however Jacob Eason doesn't easily fall into the "similar if not better arm strength" category. He has a "cannon" for an arm but needs to be in base form with shoulders square to his target when throwing to avoid wild throws. In the NFL a QB is not often afforded the opportunity to properly get his feet set and shoulders square before releasing...arm "talent" is the ability to throw any throw from various arm angles and without your feet always properly set...Lock has shown this in flashes...a QB like Aaron Rogers consistently shows off such arm talent...so Eason has shown arm strength but I wouldn't label it as comparative arm talent.

If that's the case, then none of our current QBs has arm talent.

[Hawktawk]

Geno Smith had a 68.5 % completion % last year despite playing some of the better psss defensess in the league . Were it not for his rash of drops he’s likely be above it now with several more scores and it would be a different conversation . Tune in week 1 when he is efficient and surgical and let’s talk . Unless Pete has taken RDs advice and decided to start the guy who didn’t play .
One more thing . Not sure if anyone else saw it but Pete was being interviewed pre game , talking about the MNF game and the approach the team has to take , one game at a time or words to that effect . When he was asked hey after these years who has the advantage , who knows who better . I saw a look flash across Pete’s face I’ve never seen before , anger ? H dunno . Then a terse “ let’s see”. It’s gonna be a war

[NorthHawk]

Geno is a backup at best.
He's not able to elevate his play nor the team to greater success like a Franchise QB can.
Lock isn't much different so far.
So don't expect much from this Offense until a true NFL caliber QB is in place and the OL is functioning fully. Maybe a couple of years.

[Aseahawkfan]

Geno Smith had a 68.5 % completion % last year despite playing some of the better psss defensess in the league . Were it not for his rash of drops he’s likely be above it now with several more scores and it would be a different conversation . Tune in week 1 when he is efficient and surgical and let’s talk . Unless Pete has taken RDs advice and decided to start the guy who didn’t play .
One more thing . Not sure if anyone else saw it but Pete was being interviewed pre game , talking about the MNF game and the approach the team has to take , one game at a time or words to that effect . When he was asked hey after these years who has the advantage , who knows who better . I saw a look flash across Pete’s face I’ve never seen before , anger ? H dunno . Then a terse “ let’s see”. It’s gonna be a war

Broncos are a few injuries away from us having a top 5 pick. They have no depth. I'm not even sure how good their starters are.

One thing I know for certain is Seattle better shore up that run defense or those two Denver running backs and Russ are going to put the hurt on us. One thing Denver does have is a very good running game with two very good running backs. If them backs go down, not sure they can carry with just a passing game. Their defense don't look great and that team looks to have no depth.

[Hawktawk]

Denver lost 15 to 42 to Buffalo . It appears Russell and many starters will not play in this preseason at all . I think that’s beautiful if you’re Seattle . Oh and the Rams lost to the Texans who are 31 ranked power . You all enjoy walking the plank 3 weeks before the games count . I’ll not go with you .


We will win 10 games minimum . If Geno starts he will pass for 4 k yards , 30 TDs , 7 picks , 3 fumbles , 38 sacks , 325 yards rushing . 105 qbr. 18 of his TDs will be to DK along with 1750 yards . Our defense will be improved . To what degree who knows . Some will be enough for a WC. If Lock starts all bets are off . Maybe 12 wins, maybe 6 . Total wild card . Many pundits see Geno starting the year and being replaced by Lock early on . Some think Pete will pick him if he’s healthy . I don’t think so. Geno hasn’t thrown a pick in 5 starts . He has 1 total turnover in 5 starts . He’s proven quite accurate In the preseason , just unlucky with drops . Last game proved nothing about him . In his first start in 5 years he was also shut out in the first half but put up 4 scoring drives and our only successful 2 minute drive to get to overtime . I don’t know how many times our previous guy did nothing in the first half . You can’t judge a qb in a half with a guy false starting over and over , dropped dimes . He made 3 big mistakes , tripping , getting a batted ball when he had room to create a throwing lane and throwing well behind Penny Hart .
But I think he’s starting the opener and I’m team Geno like KJ until proven otherwise . Too late to retract my statements . It’s like the Alamo . No back door .

[RiverDog]

Boy, that didn't take long! Back to the 10 win minimum already? I guess you must have already put last Thursday in your rear view mirror.

The Broncos did suffer a lot of injuries, but they have over two weeks to get healthy or find replacements. If you're going to have injuries, might as well have them before the cut down date rather than after.

[Aseahawkfan]

My prediction is still 6 to 8 wins. I might adjust depending on how Seattle looks when we see the real starters and as the season progresses.

I would still prefer to see Lock start so John and Pete can clearly answer the question, "Is Lock worth developing or do we need to draft a QB?" We know that answer for Geno, but don't know 100% for Lock. As this is a rebuild year with low expectations, I'd rather clearly be sure of where we're at in that process.

[NorthHawk]

I know what you are saying, but I think we will see enough of Lock during the season to make a proper evaluation.
At some point Geno will play badly and Pete will make the decision to play Lock. I think it’s inevitable.

[Hawktawk]

Boy, that didn't take long! Back to the 10 win minimum already? I guess you must have already put last Thursday in your rear view mirror.

The Broncos did suffer a lot of injuries, but they have over two weeks to get healthy or find replacements. If you're going to have injuries, might as well have them before the cut down date rather than after.

My qualifier with Geno was getting DK back . No DK I’m with Asaea more likely 6-8. Genos Statistically insane connection with DK is something I’ve seen several pundits ruminate on whether it’s sustainable for a season because it’s sick and will cause any defense trouble . I think Geno is more of the classic qb who feeds his stud horse and he’s got the biggest horse of all . I think his Re tooled game is highly underrated . Sounds like Drew is healthy so hopefully he can show like a champion on Friday and confuse the issue further

[Hawktawk]

Just saw some pff grade that has Geno in the top 5 pre season. Described as accurate and decisive . Apparently they don’t downgrade the qb for drops . I find it a hard one to believe myself . Really wish I was savvy enough to link on my phone . I guess between qbr which gave Lock a fantastic grade despite A game losing turnover , pff with Geno top 5 with 10 points in the preseason and total qbr which had Burrow middle of the pack while he was # 1 in qbr it’s about damn lies and statistics .
Just more confusion. . Based on Pete’s comment about not having a timetable to
Make a choice it’s clear Geno hasn’t locked a thing up pun intended . It sounds like he’s been sharper than lock in practice . Come on Friday . Pete’s grade is all that matters .

[Old but Slow]

There is a video, I believe it was or is in the Seahawks NFL site, that showed highlights of Metcalf. It seemed to me that a lot of the downfield passes from Russell were very high, looping throws to a spot for DK to go up and get. It is not exactly a precise target, but an area with DK making it happen. It strikes me that any pro QB can make that throw, so we may see Metcalf do as well as he always has.

[RiverDog]

There are more rumors about Jimmy Garoppolo becoming a Seahawk:

Jimmy Garoppolo will be released by the 49ers. They simply can’t afford to keep him on the roster, and they even had a press conference where head coach Kyle Shanahan unequivocally came out and said that Garoppolo will not be on their team moving forward. That’s simple enough, right? Not exactly, because the 49ers are locked in a game of chicken with the Seahawks and any other team that might need a quarterback.

Garoppolo’s current contract is unwieldy. He is owed slightly over $24 million this season, and when all the various signing/roster/workout bonuses are tallied up, it amounts to a nearly $27 million salary cap hit. No one is taking on that contract, not even the 49ers. The 53-man roster deadline is Aug. 30, and that would be a likely date when San Francisco cuts ties with Garoppolo. However, if the 49ers release him anytime before Week 1, the team saves $24.95 million. It’s like how the Seahawks structured Bobby Wagner’s contract. It simply makes sense for the 49ers to release him, it’s only a matter of how long they wait to do it.

When you’re a free agent, there are no preexisting monetary obligations. According to OverTheCap.com, the Seahawks have $15 million in cap space – plenty of room to work out a manageable deal with Garoppolo.

At the start of training camp, it seemed like it would be too much to overcome, too big of a disadvantage to have a quarterback come in that late in the competition and be able to win the job or have a mastery of how the Seahawks want to run their offense. But after watching Smith and Lock perform serviceable, yet not much beyond that, the idea of getting Garoppolo onto the roster by Week 2 becomes highly appealing.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1654486/ ... qb-option/

[Old but Slow]

Thanks, River. I must admit to mixed feelings about acquiring JG. He has been less than was expected of him, and has continued to be about average. On the other hand, he is the type of QB that I like. He is more of a point guard than a gunslinger (if I may mix my metaphors), lacking the cannon arm and big frame, he is more like Kitna was (a simile?). Another difficulty I have with him is that he was unable to make a very good team better. The Niners look loaded, and with good QB play could win it all, but not with Jimmy.

[RiverDog]

Thanks, River. I must admit to mixed feelings about acquiring JG. He has been less than was expected of him, and has continued to be about average. On the other hand, he is the type of QB that I like. He is more of a point guard than a gunslinger (if I may mix my metaphors), lacking the cannon arm and big frame, he is more like Kitna was (a simile?). Another difficulty I have with him is that he was unable to make a very good team better. The Niners look loaded, and with good QB play could win it all, but not with Jimmy.

I'm against bringing him in for the reasons you mention, although it wouldn't be a huge mistake if we did as at least we wouldn't be handicapping ourselves with a long term contract and/or have to surrender draft choices to acquire him.

The best we could hope for out of Garoppolo would be a slight upgrade from the two QB's we currently have, and even then, he'd still just be a bridge QB. In order for a point guard QB to be effective, he has to be surrounded by some very good talent, like we were during the LOB days or as the Niners are now. We just don't have enough talent on our roster for him or any other point guard type QB to be effective. There was always some point in an important game where Jimmy G. would make a fatal mistake (what was his QB rating in the 2nd half of the SB?). He could never get them over the hump, which is why they're cutting bait with him.

[Oly]

Thanks, River. I must admit to mixed feelings about acquiring JG. He has been less than was expected of him, and has continued to be about average. On the other hand, he is the type of QB that I like. He is more of a point guard than a gunslinger (if I may mix my metaphors), lacking the cannon arm and big frame, he is more like Kitna was (a simile?). Another difficulty I have with him is that he was unable to make a very good team better. The Niners look loaded, and with good QB play could win it all, but not with Jimmy.

I doubt that anyone in the front office is thinking of tanking this year, and the players certainly aren't. About the *only* thing I trust out of Pete's mouth is that he always wants to win.

But as a fan I hope they suck this year so they can pick up a good pick and grab one of the good QB prospects in the next draft. If JG is unable to be the kind of QB that can elevate the Hawks long term, then don't bother. I think a .500 season is the best and worst case scenario; best in terms of realistic prospects, worst that this leaves them stuck with a mediocre draft pool. The Hawks don't need to make any moves that would, at best, give them a shitty draft position.

[Hawktawk]

There is a video, I believe it was or is in the Seahawks NFL site, that showed highlights of Metcalf. It seemed to me that a lot of the downfield passes from Russell were very high, looping throws to a spot for DK to go up and get. It is not exactly a precise target, but an area with DK making it happen. It strikes me that any pro QB can make that throw, so we may see Metcalf do as well as he always has.

Russ has always thrown a great catchable deep ball but even that was becoming less accurate . Geno guns it . He doesn’t throw that high floater and I think some of these receivers are having trouble adjusting to how quick the ball is on them
In 13 quarters targeting DK Geno was 17-21 for 251 yards , 4 TDS and a passer rating of 151.5. He also completed 10 passes to Lockett in the first half vs JAx , one of many bizarre stats like completing balls to 10 guys vs Pittsburgh . It was after that JAx game DK tweeted “I’ve never had a ball like that “ regarding the bullet Geno put in his hands despite close coverage by Griffin .

DK might have the biggest year of his career no matter who starts .

[NorthHawk]

We hear comments about Jimmy G not having a big arm, but how big an arm does a QB need? He's been lucky in his career in having Offenses and teams around him that let him
do what he does best - get the ball to a playmaker early and let him get the necessary yards or bust a big play. So I'd be on the fence about getting him for the short term. Will
it really help us as a team then next 4 or 5 years if we win 8 games instead of 6 this year? I'm not so sure about that, but he would definitely be an upgrade to our existing QB room.
How would that affect our Cap space? I'm not sure but if we cut Geno and signed JG, we could have a few extra $$ to go towards his signing. According to Spotrac that might be
about $2.95M.

[c_hawkbob]

He is substantially better than what we have now and it's not as though giving him a look now is going to prevent us from upgrading through the draft if the opportunity arises next year.

I want to do as well as possible this year (and every year), screw tanking a year to put yourself in better position next year. Not improving your team where you can is the same as intentionally losing in my book.

[NorthHawk]

He is substantially better than what we have now and it's not as though giving him a look now is going to prevent us from upgrading through the draft if the opportunity arises next year.

I want to do as well as possible this year (and every year), screw tanking a year to put yourself in better position next year. Not improving your team where you can is the same as intentionally losing in my book.

I don't believe it's tanking, but a couple of extra wins might take us out of the top QB sweepstakes - for nothing. He's just not the long term answer along with Geno and probably not Lock.

[Hawktawk]

Jimmy G had 20 TDs and 12 picks. Hes not substantially better than anyone.Hes Teddy bridgewater with 6 more picks. Hes been on a ground and pound filthy defense team. His defense and special teams literally won the Green bay game without him. Hes definitely a downgrade over any of our 3 in terms of athleticism, arm talent and strength.

Most of all hes a china doll hurt constantly and now coming off a repaired shoulder that is hooked to his weak ass arm. I didn't see anything wrong with Geno that having first team skill people to catch his lasers couldn't repair. He is ranked %5 preseason QB by PFF so I guess they agree.

I think if this Coach and FO panic and bring JG in 3 weeks before the season they will have basically torn the locker room apart. I doubt they will do it for all the reasons listed but who knows. If they do Ill be his biggest fan till he proves unworthy

[Aseahawkfan]

I do not see Seattle bringing in Jimmy G. Pete and John know they are in the middle of a rebuild. They aren't going to bring in some expensive contract to hurt the cap and recover some QB that won't be a long-term answer for the team. John is already scouting QBs. Both Pete and John know Drew and Geno are likely placeholders. I can't see them bringing in another QB option this late in camp who doesn't know the offense. So far Pete and John have been doing what they did in the past with focusing on the draft and low cost-high value trades. I think unless Jimmie is a lot cheaper and is here to compete, not take the starting job then he ain't coming here.

[Hawktawk]

Oly
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I doubt that anyone in the front office is thinking of tanking this year, and the players certainly aren't. About the *only* thing I trust out of Pete's mouth is that he always wants to win.

But as a fan I hope they suck this year so they can pick up a good pick and grab one of the good QB prospects in the next draft. If JG is unable to be the kind of QB that can elevate the Hawks long term, then don't bother. I think a .500 season is the best and worst case scenario; best in terms of realistic prospects, worst that this leaves them stuck with a mediocre draft pool. The Hawks don't need to make any moves that would, at best, give them a shitty draft position.[/quote]

This is what I don’t understand about long time die hard fans rooting to lose this year for next years draft . We had this discussion in 2010 when the Seattle Seahawks entered week 17 at 6-9 still alive in the division race vs the 7-8 rams . Don’t win the game ! Gonna cost us draft position ! But Whitehurst did enough .,then Saints come to town and we get to watch one of the most iconic runs in NFL history till we die and I’m sure there were fans pissed about that costing us picks . I NEVER pick Seattle to lose . Never root for it . I’ll never understand it . Last I checked the league is littered with high first round picks sitting on the bench or playing like crap . We got our greatest qb in the 3rd , linebacker in the second . Sherm was what ? 5-6? The goat was 6. I hope Geno starts and throws 35 TDs , wins 12. He has the tools to do it . I hope Lock starts and wins 13.
I hope we kick the league right in the teeth because in my 40 plus years as a fan I’ve never seen Seattle Seahawks so underrated and disrespected as a coaching staff, as an organization and many players individually greatly underrated. I think there will be some surprised people this year .

[RiverDog]

He is substantially better than what we have now and it's not as though giving him a look now is going to prevent us from upgrading through the draft if the opportunity arises next year.

I want to do as well as possible this year (and every year), screw tanking a year to put yourself in better position next year. Not improving your team where you can is the same as intentionally losing in my book.

Except for a difference in scale of the terms slight vs. substantially, I am in complete agreement with both of these thoughts. So long as it doesn't cost us any draft capital or saddle us with a restrictive long term agreement, I don't mind bringing in Jimmy G. I just don't think it's going to get us anywhere.

I am totally against trying to lose in order to enhance draft positioning, even if you're out of the playoff hunt. You don't want to infect our organization with a losing attitude or give any kind of indication that losing is acceptable under some conditions. It's completely unacceptable. Period.

[TriCitySam]

In Pete's presser today, sounds like it's Geno. I was rooting for Lock, seems to have more upside. Was originally going to name a starter this week but "plans have changed. While he said he has time to figure it out, said he needs to see how Drew works with the guys....but then went right to Geno, saying how well he's played, and Geno took the #1 snaps today.

[Aseahawkfan]

Except for a difference in scale of the terms slight vs. substantially, I am in complete agreement with both of these thoughts. So long as it doesn't cost us any draft capital or saddle us with a restrictive long term agreement, I don't mind bringing in Jimmy G. I just don't think it's going to get us anywhere.

I am totally against trying to lose in order to enhance draft positioning, even if you're out of the playoff hunt. You don't want to infect our organization with a losing attitude or give any kind of indication that losing is acceptable under some conditions. It's completely unacceptable. Period.

There is a truth no one wants to talk about.

NFL is set up to rebuild by losing. Almost every great team takes a few down years to gain better draft position to build a better team in the long run. It's the way the NFL is built. Though no organization should try to lose, it's absolutely fine in my book to assess what you want to do and not bother to bring in talent via trades or expensive contracts to build organically through the draft letting the chips fall where they may. We've already seen where making stupid trades gets us: mediocrity and non-contention. It just slows the rebuild process and trades way draft capital because your GM and or scouts aren't good enough to find better, younger, and more importantly cheaper players in the draft so you can use your limited salary cap capital to retain higher quality talent.

Operating in a fashion to maximize the way the modern NFL is built in no way is pushing to lose. It's accepting how the modern NFL operates and adapting your rebuild process to the modern NFL reality. I don't have a single problem with it. Picking up Jimmie G is just wasting time in my opinion and adding confusion to the rebuild process. Just do your best this year, develop the talent as much as you can, let Drew Lock or Geno see if they can prove they are a NFL starting QB, and if they fail and you have a losing season take the draft capital and add more quality, inexpensive players to keep building your talent base and hopefully find a quality QB to build the next playoff/Super Bowl cycle around.

Intelligently managing the NFL model is not at all a bad idea.

[Hawktawk]

In Pete's presser today, sounds like it's Geno. I was rooting for Lock, seems to have more upside. Was originally going to name a starter this week but "plans have changed. While he said he has time to figure it out, said he needs to see how Drew works with the guys....but then went right to Geno, saying how well he's played, and Geno took the #1 snaps today.

He’s # 5 preseason. If that’s how it goes I’m excited . I hope 22 Geno is like 21 because that guy never existed in Genos career . I think it hurts him with judging his current game because it’s night and day . I think we will be just fine if everyone else in the skill positions do their job . As for the line the numbers he compiled last year were in spite of 13 sacks , 1 per quarter .

We will be just fine if he’s the guy . Funny how it was “ these guys suck”!!! Then all of a sudden everyone wants the sucky shiny object over the solid one .
Ht is with KJ and Pete if he makes this call. Team Geno

[Hawktawk]

My prediction is still 6 to 8 wins. I might adjust depending on how Seattle looks when we see the real starters and as the season progresses.

I would still prefer to see Lock start so John and Pete can clearly answer the question, "Is Lock worth developing or do we need to draft a QB?" We know that answer for Geno, but don't know 100% for Lock. As this is a rebuild year with low expectations, I'd rather clearly be sure of where we're at in that process.

We don’t know about either of theses guys as the starting QB for the Pete Carroll coached Seattle Seahawks .

Preseason is meaningless really . It’s not till the live ammo starts flying that we will know . Geno 21 played starter quality ball , decent . But he was the “ backup “ filling in , playing with house money. What if he “ wins” this job and it’s Geno “ starter “ some guys go to complete sh#t just with the name change it seems . It was Genos MO everywhere else . Lock too

Lock started the last 3 in Denver last year and went 0-3 with 1 TD pass . I’m sure Pete has watched that film too .

I’m high on Lock but I think it’s best right now that unless he’s clearly superior it’s no time for an experiment to see if we can *develop* him behind a new line getting his head taken off every time he misses a read . Leave him in the bullpen but keep a quick hook out because Geno hasn’t earned a real long trial period . But he can take a beating as he’s proven and not flinch

I’m fine to see 31year old Geno qb this team a few years if he’s good enough . If not hopefully they can get Lock in that 68% completion and 5-1 TD to interception ratio Geno had with that big arm then look out

[Aseahawkfan]

We don’t know about either of theses guys as the starting QB for the Pete Carroll coached Seattle Seahawks .

Preseason is meaningless really . It’s not till the live ammo starts flying that we will know . Geno 21 played starter quality ball , decent . But he was the “ backup “ filling in , playing with house money. What if he “ wins” this job and it’s Geno “ starter “ some guys go to complete sh#t just with the name change it seems . It was Genos MO everywhere else . Lock too

Lock started the last 3 in Denver last year and went 0-3 with 1 TD pass . I’m sure Pete has watched that film too .

I’m high on Lock but I think it’s best right now that unless he’s clearly superior it’s no time for an experiment to see if we can *develop* him behind a new line getting his head taken off every time he misses a read . Leave him in the bullpen but keep a quick hook out because Geno hasn’t earned a real long trial period . But he can take a beating as he’s proven and not flinch

I’m fine to see 31year old Geno qb this team a few years if he’s good enough . If not hopefully they can get Lock in that 68% completion and 5-1 TD to interception ratio Geno had with that big arm then look out

I want to draft the next Peyton Manning or Aaron Donald. I want to draft a player so good at a key position like QB or D-line that he wins multiple MVPs or defensive player of the year awards in the same year we win a Lombardi.

When I pray to the football gods, that is what I pray for. I want John Schneider to find the best player in Seattle history in the next draft or two.

[Hawktawk]

Asea I think we just had a freak show of a draft . It might be a Hershel Walker draft . And as you know I don’t expect us to suck at all this year in large part because of this draft . Everyone talks about how you have to become horrible to get good and that’s the nfl model . Except Tom and Bill proved that was bullshit and guess which coach was #2 in wins last 10 years .
Oke doke coming up soon

[obiken]

My prediction is still 6 to 8 wins. I might adjust depending on how Seattle looks when we see the real starters and as the season progresses.

I would still prefer to see Lock start so John and Pete can clearly answer the question, "Is Lock worth developing or do we need to draft a QB?" We know that answer for Geno, but don't know 100% for Lock. As this is a rebuild year with low expectations, I'd rather clearly be sure of where we're at in that process.

6 or 8 wins?? No way, where are we going to get them with our lines and players??!!! 5 max!

[RiverDog]

My prediction is still 6 to 8 wins. I might adjust depending on how Seattle looks when we see the real starters and as the season progresses.

I would still prefer to see Lock start so John and Pete can clearly answer the question, "Is Lock worth developing or do we need to draft a QB?" We know that answer for Geno, but don't know 100% for Lock. As this is a rebuild year with low expectations, I'd rather clearly be sure of where we're at in that process.

6 or 8 wins?? No way, where are we going to get them with our lines and players??!!! 5 max!

I'm somewhere in between, 6-7 wins, but I'm not saying 'no way' to any possibility outside the outrageous, like 0 or 17 wins.