RiverDog wrote:From Adam Schefter:
Seahawks’ WR DK Metcalf is signing a three-year, $72 million extension that includes $58.2 million guaranteed, per source. Deal includes $30 million signing bonus, the highest ever for a WR. Metcalf will be a free agent again at 27 years old.
For a frame of reference, in addition to his highest-ever WR signing bonus, Metcalf is now comfortably among the highest compensated compared to his peers. According to Over The Cap, Metcalf’s $58.2 million guaranteed is the seventh-highest among all active receivers. His annual average of $24 million is the sixth-highest, tied with Stefon Diggs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/th ... r-AA1058ca
RiverDog wrote:Mark my words: This is a huge mistake. We should have traded him when we had the chance. Now, we have a whole chit load of salary cap tied up in two WR's. Doesn't make a lick of sense when you don't have a quarterback that can get the ball to them. It's a move that the Detroit Lions would have made. Megatron Part 2.
RiverDog wrote:Mark my words: This is a huge mistake. We should have traded him when we had the chance. Now, we have a whole chit load of salary cap tied up in two WR's. Doesn't make a lick of sense when you don't have a quarterback that can get the ball to them. It's a move that the Detroit Lions would have made. Megatron Part 2.
Aseahawkfan wrote:That means we got DK for the next 4 years. We should have a QB in place within that time. If we already have a badass group of receivers for a good QB to throw to, that's going to make this offense take off like a rocket soon as we insert the next franchise QB. That franchise QB will be super cheap. By the time we have pay the QB, DK and Tyler will both be at the end of their contracts. And if we have a developed QB, then we don't need badass receivers as much and we can draft the next receivers that an experienced QB will be throwing to.
I think it's a smart move at this point in time while you don't have a huge salary QB to pay for. It makes it easier for any up and coming QB since we already have high performing receivers.
I gotta disagree on this one. We're a real young team. We don't have a lot of high paid players right now. So if you're going to pay a high performer, now's the time. While you got a ton of draft capital and not much money tied up anywhere else. We clear 26 million off the cap next year with Russ being gone? I think it was a pretty shrewd move. And the price was very reasonable in my opinion. I think it's a win-win deal.
RiverDog wrote:Obviously, I disagree. You build championship teams around defenses, offensive lines and/or great quarterbacks, not wide receivers. Given the draft capital we could have gotten had we traded him, there's no way we are better off signing a top 5 WR when we don't have a QB or an OL to protect him.
This is just Pete living under the same illusion that Hawktawk is: That we're just a player or two away from being a legitimate SB contender. Say hello to another 3 years of mediocre teams.
RiverDog wrote:Obviously, I disagree. You build championship teams around defenses, offensive lines and/or great quarterbacks, not wide receivers. Given the draft capital we could have gotten had we traded him, there's no way we are better off signing a top 5 WR when we don't have a QB or an OL to protect him.
This is just Pete living under the same illusion that Hawktawk is: That we're just a player or two away from being a legitimate SB contender. Say hello to another 3 years of mediocre teams.
Aseahawkfan wrote:If the time were different, I might agree with you. But a 3 year extension and a total of four years right now is not bad at all. It doesn't tie us up too long and we don't have a lot money tied up in defense or offense or a QB. We have plenty of cap space to play and not much to use it on.
You gotta think about where we are right now. We don't gotta pay a QB for at least another 3 or four years. So two high paid receivers is just the QB money tied up in the receivers. Those contracts will be mostly over by the time we have a QB on the roster to pay.
It seems like a really intelligently designed contract that was more John than Pete.
RiverDog wrote:The problem isn't the deal itself so much as it is a reflection of Pete's mindset: He does not think he is in rebuild mode, rather, he thinks he's a player or two away from the SB. Pete is delusional, dreamy, a pure romantic. He is not a realist. He should have been fired last December, and if he had, we probably would have had a franchise QB to rebuild our team with.
RiverDog wrote:The problem isn't the deal itself so much as it is a reflection of Pete's mindset: He does not think he is in rebuild mode, rather, he thinks he's a player or two away from the SB. Pete is delusional, dreamy, a pure romantic. He is not a realist. He should have been fired last December, and if he had, we probably would have had a franchise QB to rebuild our team with.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't agree with that assessment. Signing DK is Pete maintaining young quality talent. He didn't overpay for a Bobby Wagner or a Carlos Dunlap on the end of their careers. The team extended an elite receiver just hitting their second contract for a very fair price.
If we had had a DK when we drafted Russell, that would have been awesome. Now we have receivers in place for when we draft a badass QB.
RiverDog wrote:You've put the wagon in front of the horses. Even if we were to hit the jackpot and draft a stud QB in 2023, he's going to take a year or two to develop, by which time Metcalf's contract would be up again.
Like I said, say hello to another 3 years of mediocrity. We're this decade's Detroit Lions.
jshawaii22 wrote:RD is dead-on right. Should of traded him as he would be worth a #1 +++. We need more top draft picks and cap space going forward. RD's insight toward Pete and how he views this non-rebuild rebuild is also spot on.
jshawaii22 wrote:Most teams built via the draft, as the Seahawks did in Pete/JS's first 3 years. FA's and trades fill in the gaps.
I never viewed DK as a #1 receiver and certainly not with Geno or Lock to throw to him for at least this year and probably 1-2 years beyond. By then, maybe we keep him or not, but the 25million per year could be used to upgrade many positions of need, which we have plenty of once our cap space gets normalized when Russell's 30+ million in dead space comes off the books at the end of this year.
c_hawkbob wrote:"Good" receivers may be a dime a dozen, but generational talent like DK are not.
c_hawkbob wrote:I knew you'd be hating this, but I couldn't be happier if I were twins.
RiverDog wrote: My argument is that one is not needed for us to get back to the Super Bowl, and I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong by showing just one example of a generational talent WR on par at their position with that of a Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Wilson, etc, that got their team to a Super Bowl.
especially in the current "NFL environment" for high paid contracts becoming worthless if a player "becomes unhappy" and feels "dissed" when others get paid more...or are put in "better situations".
NorthHawk wrote:Wide Receivers are a product of their Offense.
Jerry Rice was mentioned, and he was fantastic, but he was also the best type of Receiver for the WCO which was a new concept.
His route running was exceptional and precise which is what Bill Walsh demanded and along with his speed it caught opposing defenses off guard.
Rice might not have done as well in a different Offense, though if the ball wasn't thrown to him as much or if they ran more (at the time) traditional Offense with slower developing routes.
DK is going to have some trouble getting the ball for the first couple of years while the OL gets settled and the QBs adjust to this Offense and longer if we select a top QB in the next draft.
It happens with every player and is to be expected with the younger guys.
My concern is twofold, firstly will he get the ball enough to justify being one of the top paid WRs, and if he doesn't get the ball enough will he start to complain and become a distraction or worse, a malcontent?
My guess on the second question is he will be OK, but with some players getting big contracts sets them on a course that they think they have to carry the team and get frustrated if they don't get the opportunities
to satisfy them for getting the money they are being paid.
RiverDog wrote: My argument is that one is not needed for us to get back to the Super Bowl, and I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong by showing just one example of a generational talent WR on par at their position with that of a Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Wilson, etc, that got their team to a Super Bowl.
tarlhawk wrote:Since you only ask for one example I offer up Jerry Rice from the "glory days" of Joe Montana.
RiverDog wrote:That's not the type of example I was looking for. The 49'ers were already two time SB champs, SB 16 in '81 and SB 19 in '84, by the time Rice arrived as a rookie in 1985 (Dwight Clark was their go-to WR in those early days). Although it's admittedly not on the same scale, it's a little like saying that Randy Moss made the Patriots into SB champs.
Aseahawkfan wrote:We can still trade DK should the team want to on a very friendly deal to another team. So that option is still available to the team on top of having an elite young receiver on the team while we go through the rebuild. Not like DK is going to lose his value and another team wasn't going to have negotiate a contract to trade for him. No one would have paid much to DK on a one year deal. So if anything, DK has increased trade value.
RiverDog wrote:Yeah, I was just thinking about that possibility. The problem is that if he gets injured, then he's damaged goods and so goes his value. There's also the possibility that without a decent QB to get him the ball that his production declines. If we were going to trade him, the optimum time would have been this past spring before the draft.
NorthHawk wrote:It seems we have less money than I had thought.
We have just under $14M this year and we used to have over $60M for next year, but that’s suddenly shrunk
to just under $33M even with Wilson off the books according to Spotrac. The money goes pretty fast.
$36M for Safeties is a huge hit.
RiverDog wrote:Mark my words: This is a huge mistake. We should have traded him when we had the chance. Now, we have a whole chit load of salary cap tied up in two WR's. Doesn't make a lick of sense when you don't have a quarterback that can get the ball to them. It's a move that the Detroit Lions would have made. Megatron Part 2.
Hawktawk wrote:It wasn’t Julio Jones fault the Falcons choked a super bowl away. He had made the catch to seal it before Ryan got sacked out of field goal range . It’s utterly ridiculous to suggest a guy like Dk doesn’t greatly improve your chances on offense . Especially since you won’t be running the scramble drill offense . And if the Geno -DK connection could hold up somewhat like the 13 quarters it’s around 20 TDs and over 1500 yards for DK alone . After scissorhand returned he was blanked for 6 games . So maybe he won’t be productive with whatever new guy or maybe he will . When he’s covered he’s open as proven by the best ball he ever had last time we saw Geno .
We might well be screwed with a new QB whoever it is or we might not . We we’re screwed blued and tattooed by previous dude last year for 35 million so it won’t be worse . I wonder how many wins everyone had Cincy at ? This is a talented roster . Some of these predicted win totals are laughable . Really looking forward to seeing some doubters eat their words . As for delusional Pete apply it to John and Jody too cause it’s not just Pete’s call anymore
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