2022 Hopeful/Doubtful Outlook (QB)

[RiverDog]

We don't know if the strategy was to wait the situation out and make a good offer if he was cut.
That would have been the responsible way to proceed, but it doesn't preclude the possibility that they want to upgrade at QB.
If we go into this season with Lock/Geno or Geno/Lock as #1 and #2, I think at some point they will try to add another QB. It's Pete's way to panic when things go bad or if
there is a some player he's always thought he wanted and they become available.

Yeah, maybe, but I'd be surprised if we added a starting quality quarterback (ie Jimmy G or Darnold) once training camp begins. For one, they don't often suddenly become available, at least not ones that are any better quality than Geno or Lock.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="RiverDog"We don't know if the strategy was to wait the situation out and make a good offer if he was cut.
That would have been the responsible way to proceed, but it doesn't preclude the possibility that they want to upgrade at QB.
If we go into this season with Lock/Geno or Geno/Lock as #1 and #2, I think at some point they will try to add another QB. It's Pete's way to panic when things go bad or if
there is a some player he's always thought he wanted and they become available.

"Yeah, maybe, but I'd be surprised if we added a starting quality quarterback (ie Jimmy G or Darnold) once training camp begins. For one, they don't often suddenly become available, at least not ones that are any better quality than Geno or Lock.[/quote]"

I went back and read KJs comments on Geno again. Not sure if anyone else read it but he is emphatic " Im team Geno all the way", He talked about how well he ran the scout team, the 2 minute drill, said he had a huge arm, called him "an intellectual" which I found interesting as I never got that impression from his press conferences etc but you cant judge a book by its cover I guess. I've met KJ once, great guy and like Lockett not really much of a trash talker. Sherman has also weighed in saying he believes Geno will in fact start the season under center, We will see,

[NorthHawk]

I think our Offense will be limited in its potential.
Any success will have to come from the defensive side and if we can recover from some (Seahawks) historically bad performances the last couple of years.
We can't start off the beginning of the season on pace for NFL defensive ineptitude and with our Offense expect to win anything.

[Hawktawk]

I think our Offense will be limited in its potential.
Any success will have to come from the defensive side and if we can recover from some (Seahawks) historically bad performances the last couple of years.
We can't start off the beginning of the season on pace for NFL defensive ineptitude and with our Offense expect to win anything.

You will be surprised . We will move the ball just fine .

[RiverDog]

I think our Offense will be limited in its potential.
Any success will have to come from the defensive side and if we can recover from some (Seahawks) historically bad performances the last couple of years.
We can't start off the beginning of the season on pace for NFL defensive ineptitude and with our Offense expect to win anything.

You will be surprised . We will move the ball just fine .

You sound pretty sure of yourself. With two rookie bookends, an oft injured RB, and an unresolved quarterback situation, there's a lot of reason for concern.

If we're going to go anywhere in 2022, it's imperative that we get off to a good start. We have some very winnable games in the first half of the season, including the Falcons, Lions, and Giants. Although it's hard to handicap a schedule until Week 3 or 4, it looks to be bottom heavy, with both Rams games along with the Bucs and Chiefs, arguably our 3 toughest opponents, appearing in Nov./Dec/Jan.

If we don't start off strong, it could be a very long season.

[Hawktawk]

I think our Offense will be limited in its potential.
Any success will have to come from the defensive side and if we can recover from some (Seahawks) historically bad performances the last couple of years.
We can't start off the beginning of the season on pace for NFL defensive ineptitude and with our Offense expect to win anything.

You will be surprised . We will move the ball just fine .

You sound pretty sure of yourself. With two rookie bookends, an oft injured RB, and an unresolved quarterback situation, there's a lot of reason for concern.

If we're going to go anywhere in 2022, it's imperative that we get off to a good start. We have some very winnable games in the first half of the season, including the Falcons, Lions, and Giants. Although it's hard to handicap a schedule until Week 3 or 4, it looks to be bottom heavy, with both Rams games along with the Bucs and Chiefs, arguably our 3 toughest opponents, appearing in Nov./Dec/Jan.

If we don't start off strong, it could be a very long season.

Winning vs the Donkeys is the opportunity to take that huge dump on the prognosticators right away and set the tone . I took some time deciding how to feel about the game week 1 but I believe the league has given us a tremendous gift , the opportunity to win the 10 year argument . Now I will say if Russ comes in here like the Detroit game and smokes us like a cheap joint I was wrong . About Pete and Russ and the whole theory of addition by subtraction. We are catching them at a perfect time when everyone is still trying to gel . And they have an enormous amount of pressure . They have to win for Russ their new leader . We’re 3.5 point home dogs . I understand the injury concerns with penny but with Walker we have another legitimate bell cow. I’m betting penny is healthy and we will run. We have 2 very good rook tackles and Cross was just named to the all rookie preseason team . Yea I know it’s preseason. And barring a trade for the weak armed Garropolo we are gonna roll with 1 of 3 tall strong mobile huge arm QBs . And it will be fine . DK is the cherry on top . I’ll feel even better if he’s here .
I just don’t get why nobody thinks Geno or Lock or never count out Eason with Carroll at head coach can actually play the damn game . Many national talking heads assume it’s Lock . But getting closer to home and the insiders Geno is still #1 going into TC. I have no preference other than pick the win now guy , especially week one . Imo that should be Geno . Let’s see . I’ll trust Pete this one more time .

[RiverDog]

Winning vs the Donkeys is the opportunity to take that huge dump on the prognosticators right away and set the tone . I took some time deciding how to feel about the game week 1 but I believe the league has given us a tremendous gift , the opportunity to win the 10 year argument . Now I will say if Russ comes in here like the Detroit game and smokes us like a cheap joint I was wrong . About Pete and Russ and the whole theory of addition by subtraction. We are catching them at a perfect time when everyone is still trying to gel . And they have an enormous amount of pressure . They have to win for Russ their new leader . We’re 3.5 point home dogs . I understand the injury concerns with penny but with Walker we have another legitimate bell cow. I’m betting penny is healthy and we will run. We have 2 very good rook tackles and Cross was just named to the all rookie preseason team . Yea I know it’s preseason. And barring a trade for the weak armed Garropolo we are gonna roll with 1 of 3 tall strong mobile huge arm QBs . And it will be fine . DK is the cherry on top . I’ll feel even better if he’s here .
I just don’t get why nobody thinks Geno or Lock or never count out Eason with Carroll at head coach can actually play the damn game . Many national talking heads assume it’s Lock . But getting closer to home and the insiders Geno is still #1 going into TC. I have no preference other than pick the win now guy , especially week one . Imo that should be Geno . Let’s see . I’ll trust Pete this one more time .

I wouldn't expect Walker to contribute much right away. It's highly likely that he'll see limited play to start out with and I wouldn't be surprised to see them use Dallas as our 3rd down/change of pace back, at least to start out with, unless Walker gets pressed into service if Penny gets injured. And, of course, we still don't know anything about Carson.

Neither of our two starting tackles have a lot of experience in the run game. Both played under Mike Leach's Air Raid offense that is very pass heavy, so they're not used to playing much with their hand in the dirt. I'm optimistic about their long term chances, but it's not a reasonable expectation to think that they'll block like bulldozers right out of the gate. Plus we have a new center and a new tight end. And who knows how our QB situation is going to pan out.

There's a lot of question marks on offense, which is why most of the talking heads and several of us in here are so pessimistic. The only position group where we're strong at is WR, and that's a frosting on the cake sort of thing, not the pivot point of the offense.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

If we had proven starters across the oline, I’d be more hopeful about Walker having a Jonathan Taylor/Javonte Williams type rookie season. Tough to see that happening at the moment, but man would that be nice. Not saying starting but similar yds per carry.

[Hawktawk]

We have Haynes who was one of our best linemen down the stretch . I think we have to be able to run if we are going to compete eariy in the season. I don’t see as inept an offense as most . The right tackle was the highest rated in the run game , left highest in the pass game . Both run a sub 4.9 at 6’6” and 330 pounds give or take with huge wingspans . You don’t coach skills like that . You have it or you don’t . I anticipate there will be no drop off from last year . Nobody’s even signed Brown last I checked . Pocic? Lol I’m pretty sure Blythe is at least as good . And again lines benefit from guys who jam it in to the first or second read or throw it away . Guys who throw in the middle instead of launching rockets and running around . It will be really interesting to see what actually happens but I trust the coach . He’s the best we ever had , one of the better ones in the league . He’s got a plan .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Coaching is one thing. Playing is another. Two rookies manning the tackle spots is bound to have hiccups. Maybe they come out swinging and do a great job, but I won’t be surprised nor disappointed if they don’t. I expect rookies to struggle.

[RiverDog]

We have Haynes who was one of our best linemen down the stretch . I think we have to be able to run if we are going to compete eariy in the season. I don’t see as inept an offense as most . The right tackle was the highest rated in the run game , left highest in the pass game . Both run a sub 4.9 at 6’6” and 330 pounds give or take with huge wingspans . You don’t coach skills like that . You have it or you don’t . I anticipate there will be no drop off from last year . Nobody’s even signed Brown last I checked . Pocic? Lol I’m pretty sure Blythe is at least as good . And again lines benefit from guys who jam it in to the first or second read or throw it away . Guys who throw in the middle instead of launching rockets and running around . It will be really interesting to see what actually happens but I trust the coach . He’s the best we ever had , one of the better ones in the league . He’s got a plan .

I hate to rain on your parade, but not many people share your optimism. PFF has our offensive line ranked dead last at #32. Here's what they had to say about our OL:

There’s quite obviously a lot of hope for the future with the talent Seattle has brought into the fold, but this has crash-and-burn potential. Starting two rookie offensive tackles — both from Air Raid offenses — is a scary proposition. And considering Gabe Jackson’s decline in recent years, there’s not a single quality starter this unit can rely on.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive- ... tiers-2022

That reflects what a lot of us have been saying, that given our two rookie tackles, both from Mike Leach's pass happy offense and that the other 3 are considered by many to be weak, do you really expect our offense to come out firing on all cylinders?

[Aseahawkfan]

Everything is open to competition right now. Only spots we have some idea of who is starting is Jordyn Brooks at MLB and maybe Cody Barton at WLB. Jamal Adams and Diggs if healthy at the safeties. Tyler and DK at WR. Kicker and punter who I barely keep track of. I still don't think any of them are safe from being traded or cut. Performance is what Pete is looking for.

Everything else is open to competition, just like when Pete first arrived. This is Win Forever 2.0: Proof of Concept. Pete seems to want to prove that he can do what he did the first time using the same principles he practices in his book. So we're back at that point when he first arrived and no one is safe and everyone has to compete for their job.

I don't mind that myself. Pete seems at his best when he's building something up.

[RiverDog]

Everything is open to competition right now. Only spots we have some idea of who is starting is Jordyn Brooks at MLB and maybe Cody Barton at WLB. Jamal Adams and Diggs if healthy at the safeties. Tyler and DK at WR. Kicker and punter who I barely keep track of. I still don't think any of them are safe from being traded or cut. Performance is what Pete is looking for.

Everything else is open to competition, just like when Pete first arrived. This is Win Forever 2.0: Proof of Concept. Pete seems to want to prove that he can do what he did the first time using the same principles he practices in his book. So we're back at that point when he first arrived and no one is safe and everyone has to compete for their job.

I don't mind that myself. Pete seems at his best when he's building something up.

Aren't we going to a 3-4, meaning that we won't have a traditional Mike?

This should be Brooks' make it or break it season. He's going into his 3rd year. Same with the two Utah guys. Everyone has pretty much written off Collier as a bust, but we'll see. Since we didn't pick up his option, he'll be a free agent next year, so maybe he'll kick it up a notch.

It's going to be an interesting season. It's the first time that I've gone into a Hawks season with such low expectations in quite some time.

[Hawktawk]

Phil Haynes should be a starter and he’s a physical mauler in the run game . I listen to a lot of Wyman and bob and Dave loved the guy” a lot of Pennys runs went right through Phil haynes “. Blythe is an experienced starter . Something tells me these 2 stud tackles will feed off one another , push one another . And you can’t coach the type of measurables they have physically . A superior athlete can compensate for a lack of experience . I can’t exactly explain my enthusiasm for this team but frankly I feel better then a year ago . My biggest question was Wilson after that playoff loss and the answer was bad . So we have a ? At the position . But we potentially have the best skill players in the league assuming DK is back . Who is better than Rocket? Swain has 4 50 plus yard TDs picking up the scraps . Eskridge is a dangerous man who flashed a little baby Harvin late in the year and might really go off . That’s your top 4 receivers . Penny ran behind a “bad “ line late last year . Health is an issue but it always is . Walker is plug and play if not . If He starts he is projected as the second highest rush total among rookies . That’s if penny gets hurt or fat . We have Fant who has the potential to rewrite the Seahawks tight end record book . He’s a 6’6 250 guy who runs 4.5. You don’t need Tom Brady with that stable of weapons . I believe our D will be improved and take pressure off the offense and give them more opportunities.

I read this PFF analysis and laugh . Will our line be worse than Cincy where Burrow was sacked 75 times ?

It may be PFF but that analysis is a joke .

Bring it on . Our coach spent 10 years building a team from scratch every year , getting guys like Sanchez and Leinart drafted . He’s got this .

[Aseahawkfan]

Aren't we going to a 3-4, meaning that we won't have a traditional Mike?

This should be Brooks' make it or break it season. He's going into his 3rd year. Same with the two Utah guys. Everyone has pretty much written off Collier as a bust, but we'll see. Since we didn't pick up his option, he'll be a free agent next year, so maybe he'll kick it up a notch.

It's going to be an interesting season. It's the first time that I've gone into a Hawks season with such low expectations in quite some time.

Hard to say. I have a long memory, so I recall Pete talking about his 4-3 LEO alignment as using 3-4 principles when he first arrived. I read on Clint Hurtt where he was a mostly 4-3 guy, but he also worked with Fangio-style defenses using 3-4 principles.

So I'm thinking it will either be a continuation of Pete's 4-3 LEO style defense or some principles from a Fangio style 3-4 defense which is the current flavor of NFL defense until someone dismantles it.

So not sure, which is why I'm interested in seeing what it actually looks like. Could go a lot of different ways. No matter how they set it up, it's going to come down to how good the players are. Talent always trumps scheme or anything else. So it will depend on if key talent meets or exceeds expectations whatever formation we use. Main thing scheme allows is for you to adjust drafting to fit different schemes so if you have a more talented LEO-style pass rusher versus a traditional DE, you might be able to acquire better talent with a minor scheme adjustment. Same as Pete used bigger CBs when he first arrived to jam off the line disrupting routes pushing everyone inside where Earl could help more. It worked and made a lot of coaches emulate that defensive style which made drafting personnel to fit that style more competitive. So if you switch to a scheme that not as many people are using, you can nab players that may fit that scheme profile with more talent.

But who knows until we see it on the field.

[NorthHawk]

None of the coaches have said definitively that we are going to a 3-4 Defense.
There has just been mention of moving toward it and using it more often. I see that the
depth chart shows Mafe as an OLB along with Taylor, so maybe we will or just maybe it’s to
try to manufacture a pass rush using 3-4 principles more often.

[tarlhawk]

Incredible amount of Drew Lock bashing going on...which makes me ponder the football IQ of your typical "fan". Success stories of QB's changing teams and having success are very few...because most QB switch teams when their contract expires and their original team decided to "move on".

Trades for a star QB are so rare...the team receiving the star QB wants to make his arrival seem like nothing was given up and that the "other team" was desperate to unload him...but we got the equivalent of 3 first rd picks (Noah Fant 1rst rd pick (2019)/3 2nd rd picks (Drew Lock 2nd rd pick (2019) and traded a 4th rd pick for their 2022 5th rd pick and Shelby Harris. These 3 players are better than getting more draft picks instead because all three have already been acclimated to NFL play...they are quick additions/plug-ins. Noah Fant is proven talent...Shelby Harris is "under the radar" proven talent...and Drew Lock is the floundered "draft bust" no doubt a "throw-in" just to be rid of him.

John Elway saw "something" in Drew Lock when he was drafted ...and 2019 gave a glimmer of potential when Drew closed out 2019 in gunslinger fashion. So many people point at 2020 as "proof" that Lock was over hyped and Vince Fangio was embarrassed at how often Lock put a burden on his prized defense with numerous turnovers.

RW played so well he made Pete's trust in him as a starter seem like a no-brainer. But Pete played a "heavy hand" in reigning in his "gunslinger" to the point he was quickly labeled as a mere "game manager"...Pete did RW a big favor in demanding "its all about the football" and getting his young QB to control his urges to play hero ball and no doubt helped to limit the interceptions ...that come in a high volume air attack. This allowed RW to bloom with his already strong self confidence until RW got eager to burn his "game manager" label and "hone his deep ball acumen".

Did Drew get a chance to develop into an NFL caliber QB in 2020...similar to RW in 2014? An emphatic NO...first they switched up Offensive Coordinators (away from his newly acquired comfort in 2019 play calling)...so what? happens a lot in the NFL right? But the Covid impact in 2020 became very real so not many reps to get "used" to some changes in offensive schemes. Add to it the injury to Denver's number one WR (Courtland Sutton) and replace him with a highly regarded rookie (Jerry Jeudy) who drops 10 passes and had 6 int when targeted giving the QB a 58.4 rating.

A "hidden" factor for the hope of "unlocking" Locks full potential is that the last Offensive Coordinator ( Rich Scangarello) Lock played well under had a strong background in being a QB coach...and using a West Coast Offense play style. Shane Waldron had a strong role as a QB coach during his assistant coaching with the LA Rams...and has been given some of the credit for some of Jared Goffs best years as a player. Drew has two of the biggest influences on QB play in the NFL...a head coach who adds confidence to a QBs own self-confidence...and an Offensive Coordinator whose game style fits the best attributes of the QB it supports.

Geno Smith is an excellent competing QB who can sharpen Drew Locks own competitive fire and the professionalism if beaten to rally the locker room behind Drew Lock and provide that experienced sideline insight when games are "on the line".

QB "magic" has a name... and its QB confidence ...that allows a QB to fully implement strong skills. Russell had it in abundance and he is now considered an elite player at his position...it is confidence that seperates the talented potential into elevated full use of skills.

[NorthHawk]

Incredible amount of Drew Lock bashing going on...which makes me ponder the football IQ of your typical "fan".

Part of every trade is to try to get equal value in return.
Lock hasn't shown to be anything special, but maybe he can be. That's just hope.
So losing a QB and getting one back as part of the deal is perfectly understandable. We will need camp arms and if he had some potential in the past, maybe a change can help him improve.
But he isn't being brought in to replace Wilson. He has been brought in to compete for a starting role, but short of another perennial Pro Bowl QB being picked up nobody can replace Wilson this season or next.
To expect anything more at this point shows a complete misunderstanding of how things work, yet some people think he will become the anointed one and take us to the SB this year or next.
That's simply wishful thinking, and nothing more.

[tarlhawk]

Part of every trade is to try to get equal value in return.
Lock hasn't shown to be anything special, but maybe he can be. That's just hope.
So losing a QB and getting one back as part of the deal is perfectly understandable. We will need camp arms and if he had some potential in the past, maybe a change can help him improve.
But he isn't being brought in to replace Wilson. He has been brought in to compete for a starting role, but short of another perennial Pro Bowl QB being picked up nobody can replace Wilson this season or next.
To expect anything more at this point shows a complete misunderstanding of how things work, yet some people think he will become the anointed one and take us to the SB this year or next.
That's simply wishful thinking, and nothing more.

Complete agreement with your assessment...an excellent post on a Seahawk site has some insight of Carson Palmer as to the extreme difficulty of playing QB at the NFL level. I think Russell "outgrew" us and provided a great return...RW was the gift that keeps on giving so to speak.


Few QB "catch fire" from the get go due to the many complexities and demands placed on you from the moment you arrive...because even the casual fan understands the rewards of having a Franchise QB...many just lack understanding of the many nuances of excelling at the position. Whoever plays QB this year and beyond will have many key elements...a winning established culture is much better than having the burden of reversing a losing stigma that many NFL fans endure.


Excellent talent without solid coaching is a handicap for any QB. Many diverse play makers is a huge advantage when as a QB you know the defense isn't allowed to focus on your only play maker. Ryan Tannehill has bloomed with the arrival of a strong running game. TE are an excellent "safety" blanket when a team has a great TE group while lacking a RB receiving threat. Our O-line is unproven ...yet improving ...with skill influx being matched by good O-line coaching...as in an earlier post I feel our O-line determines our teams offensive ceiling going forward.


Quick strike offenses are a joy to observe (I was a Miami spoiled fan during the "Dan Marino years"...but the solid balanced approach to "moving the chains" is a strong foundation ...that moves an offense beyond shock value... to Dictate Value. Shock can create upsets but an offense that dictates/imposes its own will is what gets a team deeper into the playoffs. There seems to be more "offensive wizards" in coaching than bedrock defensive innovators. The current brand of NFL rules favors high scoring offenses and fewer examples of smothering defenses.

Our upcoming schedule threatens the reality of 2022 aspirations...if our team weathers the impending onslaught of some of the best Defensive NFL talent accented by some of the best QB talent known in the NFL (Past and present)...even improving on a team wide basis while losing close games can prevent a losing mentality to creep in. We are clearly underdogs with silver lined storm cloud potential. Go Hawks

[Hawktawk]

Incredible amount of Drew Lock bashing going on...which makes me ponder the football IQ of your typical "fan".

Part of every trade is to try to get equal value in return.
Lock hasn't shown to be anything special, but maybe he can be. That's just hope.
So losing a QB and getting one back as part of the deal is perfectly understandable. We will need camp arms and if he had some potential in the past, maybe a change can help him improve.
But he isn't being brought in to replace Wilson. He has been brought in to compete for a starting role, but short of another perennial Pro Bowl QB being picked up nobody can replace Wilson this season or next.
To expect anything more at this point shows a complete misunderstanding of how things work, yet some people think he will become the anointed one and take us to the SB this year or next.
That's simply wishful thinking, and nothing more.[/quote]


Wilson won 6 games last year . I’m pretty sure either Geno or Lock can match that . It’s not like it would have been a year or 2 ago as denver will find out week 1.

We really don’t know much about anyone on our qb roster . Eason is the ultimate shiny toy , maybe the only guy in the league with an arm as strong as Lock and bigger too . Geno 2021 never remotely existed before in a 10 year career and I found it as perplexing and amazing as Penny in a way . If he’s that guy he can be an excellent bridge qb. Then there’s Lock and Tari is 100% correct he’s taking a lot of abuse , even from the US open tennis Twitter feed WTF. I heard an interview with Tyler Polumbus who was part of the beast quake convoy and retired in Denver . Now an analyst he doesn’t know if Lock has it or not other then a truly amazing arm . But play action and 1 read is his strong suit according to Polumbus . He did add “ he’s never had a coach like Pete Carroll . Hear hear . Looks like Geno never did either . If they fix his turnovers we have a guy for 10 years . If I’m let’s Ride Russel I’m very wary coming home week one to the team that wasn’t good enough for him . We will be riding Russel

[NorthHawk]

Having a strong arm doesn’t mean squat if the timing is wrong or accuracy is bad. In the NFL the windows are so small
that accuracy trumps velocity. Brady doesn’t have a great arm, but his timing and accuracy is spot on. Joe Montana didn’t
have a great arm, but his timing and accuracy were exceptional. On the other side of the coin there have been lots of strong armed
QBs who washed out. So it really doesn’t matter how strong Lock’s arm is - unless he’s real accurate. And he hasn’t yet shown
that quality. Maybe he will this year.

[RiverDog]

Wilson won 6 games last year . I’m pretty sure either Geno or Lock can match that . It’s not like it would have been a year or 2 ago as denver will find out week 1.

We really don’t know much about anyone on our qb roster . Eason is the ultimate shiny toy , maybe the only guy in the league with an arm as strong as Lock and bigger too . Geno 2021 never remotely existed before in a 10 year career and I found it as perplexing and amazing as Penny in a way . If he’s that guy he can be an excellent bridge qb. Then there’s Lock and Tari is 100% correct he’s taking a lot of abuse , even from the US open tennis Twitter feed WTF. I heard an interview with Tyler Polumbus who was part of the beast quake convoy and retired in Denver . Now an analyst he doesn’t know if Lock has it or not other then a truly amazing arm . But play action and 1 read is his strong suit according to Polumbus . He did add “ he’s never had a coach like Pete Carroll . Hear hear . Looks like Geno never did either . If they fix his turnovers we have a guy for 10 years . If I’m let’s Ride Russel I’m very wary coming home week one to the team that wasn’t good enough for him . We will be riding Russel

The over/under on us is 5.5, so a lot of people, roughly half, feel that 6 wins is going to be a challenge. Personally, I'd take over as it's easier for any team to win 6 games than it is to lose 11, but that's just me being a practical betting man. I wouldn't be at all sure that Geno/Lock can win 6. There's a very good chance that we could end up with just 3 or 4 wins.

The press clippings about Lock's arm strength doesn't impress me in the slightest. North Hawk is exactly right. It ranks well down on the list of attributes needed for a successful quarterback. Quick release, good anticipation, accuracy, etc are what separates the average QB apart from the great ones.

[Hawktawk]

He’s a 55% completion guy that averaged a pick for almost every touchdown . But we know that’s who Geno was until he got to Seattle . Then he’s completing 68.5 % with no picks starting and 1 in 13 quarters . So let’s see what they do with lock . It’s best long term for the franchise if he can beat Geno but if he can’t we can compete with Geno if everyone else is doing their job . I don’t know if anyone has watched film on Lock but he throws a frozen rope . He’s a high upside project . Gonna find out if Pete can develop one more QB .

[tarlhawk]

Having a strong arm doesn’t mean squat if the timing is wrong or accuracy is bad. In the NFL the windows are so small
that accuracy trumps velocity. Brady doesn’t have a great arm, but his timing and accuracy is spot on. Joe Montana didn’t
have a great arm, but his timing and accuracy were exceptional. On the other side of the coin there have been lots of strong armed
QBs who washed out. So it really doesn’t matter how strong Lock’s arm is - unless he’s real accurate. And he hasn’t yet shown
that quality. Maybe he will this year.

Timing and accuracy are aided immensely through reps and familiarity with the various play makers...gaging their speed and catch radius improves as various routes/patterns are practiced...the timing is based on 3 step drop/5 step drop and is influenced by proper feet adjustment so you're not always throwing off your back foot. Ideally the QB quickly sets into his drop and leans forward into his release just as the receiving target begins his anticipated break in the route being "sold".


Saying arm strength means nothing without accuracy is hardly a "selling" argument or point...in pure context thats like Duh. Once a QB gains rhythm and timing with his familiarity of a play making target...then arm strength can hit a receiver "in stride" as opposed to forcing a receiver into a contested catch or "floating a pass into the flat" where the defender can break underneath...jumping the route for a pick 6. Hitting Fant on a curl or stick route is not the same as hitting Dissly on the same route as far as timing and release...the accuracy is heavily affected by "timing the release" with proper stance and arm angle.

Reps and familiarity all work together to execute various plays/routes that are called. Arm strength matters when used in the proper context ...not by a condescending snippet.

[NorthHawk]

Some QBs never get the timing down consistently. That’s between the ears and it goes along with accuracy.
Consistent accuracy is a rare commodity and we don’t know if Lock has it. His last year would suggest not.
Practice can help along with the fundamentals like footwork and body rotation, but timing can’t be taught, and bad timing
means turnovers.

[Hawktawk]

Some QBs never get the timing down consistently. That’s between the ears and it goes along with accuracy.
Consistent accuracy is a rare commodity and we don’t know if Lock has it. His last year would suggest not.
Practice can help along with the fundamentals like footwork and body rotation, but timing can’t be taught, and bad timing
means turnovers.

We have superior skill people assuming DK signs. I believe we will run at will. This team will surprise