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[RiverDog]

It depends on what was said. Maybe Pete did a great selling job on Jody like he’s done with a lot of fans.
If he told her we don’t need a top QB in his system then she might have said OK. But there might also be some conditions on it like
not much drop off in performance or a time frame for success. With Pete being 71 this year it’s hard to believe it will be a long term plan.

Not as hard for Pete and John to sell an inexperienced owner. I doubt this happens like it did if Paul Allen were still around. I don't think he oks this move at all.

Agreed. I don't want to sound sexist, but it is quite possible that Jodi Allen is a bit intimidated by a sport that she has never played and thus never known as intimately as her male counterparts. Having never played hockey or knowing much more about the sport other than the little red light means a goal has been scored, I know that I would feel intimidated by the prospect of having to pass judgment on the head coach of an NHL team. Pete is also a helluva salesman in general and could talk his way out of a lot of speeding tickets. If my dad were alive, he'd characterize Pete Carroll as being full of more sh!t than a Christmas turkey.

[RiverDog]

We hit a home run with the trade capital? We haven't even hit a single. We won't know the results of this trade for another 3-5 years, if not longer.

IMO it's a reasonable assumption that Jodi Allen was faced with a choice: Pete or Russell. That's what ASF was referring to when he said "pull", that Pete's influence was greater than Russell's. I'm not going so far as to say that's how it came down, but it's not an argument without merit.

There is a clear inference in some of these remarks that Pete WANTED to trade Russ . It wasn’t Russ or Pete . Russ was going without Pete or with him . As Dave Wyman said “ if it’s a rebuild it’s a forced one “. JS is in charge and as a premier talent evaluator I do buy that when the topic came up from Wilson a second off-season in a row he said OK buddy careful what you wish for .

Probably didn’t help that the good Christian boy had Mark Rodgers dropping F bombs on him over the phone . Yeah I know HT shut it . Give it a rest . Pete would never have traded him without being influenced . John ?
I say it’s better for everyone , maybe even Russ though I doubt it . I love the draft . These guys look solid with maybe 4 starters or more . I love Fant . Shelby Harris is overlooked as well and will really shore up our defensive line . Who knows about Lock although we will learn a lot soon !
I feel good . Better all the time .

Of course, it's possible that Pete wanted to trade Russell. Pete is very good at hiding his intentions. We all believed him when he said 10 days before the trade that it wasn't being considered. I personally don't think it very plausible that JS is now the one calling the shots, that the two have suddenly flip-flopped spots in the food chain, but that's just me.

I like the initial results of the trade, too, but that's not the same as saying that he 'hit a home run'. The proof will be in the pudding.

And BTW, thanks for taking the time to make your posts more readable.

[c_hawkbob]

It was clearly a 'Pete or Russ' scenario and if Pete and John had been let go the attraction for landing first class replacements would have been having Russ under contract.

[Aseahawkfan]

Agreed. I don't want to sound sexist, but it is quite possible that Jodi Allen is a bit intimidated by a sport that she has never played and thus never known as intimately as her male counterparts. Having never played hockey or knowing much more about the sport other than the little red light means a goal has been scored, I know that I would feel intimidated by the prospect of having to pass judgment on the head coach of an NHL team. Pete is also a helluva salesman in general and could talk his way out of a lot of speeding tickets.

I worked for Microsoft for five or six years. I have never heard of Jody Allen being involved much in her brother's business operations or having earned even close to the money he did from his time with Microsoft. I read her Wiki page now and it's amusing she has suddenly been elevated to this "idea person" when years prior, none of us had even heard of Jody Allen being involved with his sports or business operations. I imagine he probably brought her in after Bill Gates pushed Paul Allen out of Microsoft and Paul wanted someone he could trust in a key position. But Jody Allen is hardly the tech or billionaire mogul her brother was, not even close. I knew she was part of Vulcan Ventures and is apparently listed as a co-founder, but Paul owned Vulcan Ventures and funded it with the money he took from selling ownership in Microsoft.

Jody Allen was not involved in sports operations until recently. She is at best an inexperienced owner. I just know from years of working in Big Tech around Microsoft and associated companies, Jody Allen is not a name that had any meaning or pull save once Paul Allen passed and she became the face of his remaining and considerable assets.

So I don't see her as an experienced or knowledgeable owner. More of a person thrust into the position after the passing of her brother who had to make a decision and made it or just left it up to Pete and John and didn't really bother to have much say in it. It might have been as simple as Jody saying, "You two run football operations, do what you think is best."

It's pretty easy to see she is not Paul Allen who had learned over the years how to run a football franchise and made firm decisions on head coaches, GMs, and how he wanted to do things with very good advisors like Todd Leiweke in place to assist him. I don't know who Jody Allen has involved as her advisor other than John and Pete.

Like I said, I'd bet a lot of money that if Paul were still alive, this would not have happened like it did. But that's water under the bridge now. Paul is gone and we'll see how this plays out in the coming years.

[Aseahawkfan]

Of course, it's possible that Pete wanted to trade Russell. Pete is very good at hiding his intentions. We all believed him when he said 10 days before the trade that it wasn't being considered. I personally don't think it very plausible that JS is now the one calling the shots, that the two have suddenly flip-flopped spots in the food chain, but that's just me.

I like the initial results of the trade, too, but that's not the same as saying that he 'hit a home run'. The proof will be in the pudding.

And BTW, thanks for taking the time to make your posts more readable.

I don't think this is how it is myself.

I think what happened is it did come down to Pete or Russ just as K.J. implied where they differed on what direction they wanted to go. I think Russ was very tired of being handcuffed by Pete every time his interceptions rose. I think Pete reached a point where he did not want a QB that wasn't on board with his philosophy. So he and John talked and decided to blow it up and start again trading Russ and cutting all the veterans to rebuild from scratch, get buy in to Pete's way, and build it all back up.

Pete and John also talked about a succession plan given Pete's age. Pete also wanted to put his money where his mouth is when he spoke about head coaching diversity and is putting his efforts into training up Clint Hurtt as his replacement with John likely on board.

From everything I can see is that is what they are working towards. They will rebuild this team around a younger group buying into Pete's methodology. Clint Hurtt will be trained as a successor to Carroll. John will help this along doing what the GM does. We'll see if Hurtt is ready in the next few years for Pete to step aside.

Wild cards in this process is I don't know if John Schneider is much interested in staying once Carroll leaves. Maybe he wants to prove he can do it without Carroll, but maybe over a decade with the same team is enough and he'll want to take some time off or if Green Bay opens up take that job which is his dream job.

I figure in the next few years we'll be telling. I don't expect Pete to extend his contract. I think he will likely finish this one or at least make sure Clint Hurtt is in as good a position as possible to take over, then go from there. As far as what Jody does, we'll see if she or whoever ends up running football operations can do as well as Paul did and continue the tradition of starting new eras with high quality head coaches who can get the job done. It's gonna be hard to match Paul Allen though, he was one of those Big Tech names from the boom. Highly competitive, intelligent, and driven to succeed and that kind of mindset is hard to replace with some kind of trust.

[RiverDog]

Agreed. I don't want to sound sexist, but it is quite possible that Jodi Allen is a bit intimidated by a sport that she has never played and thus never known as intimately as her male counterparts. Having never played hockey or knowing much more about the sport other than the little red light means a goal has been scored, I know that I would feel intimidated by the prospect of having to pass judgment on the head coach of an NHL team. Pete is also a helluva salesman in general and could talk his way out of a lot of speeding tickets.

I worked for Microsoft for five or six years. I have never heard of Jody Allen being involved much in her brother's business operations or having earned even close to the money he did from his time with Microsoft. I read her Wiki page now and it's amusing she has suddenly been elevated to this "idea person" when years prior, none of us had even heard of Jody Allen being involved with his sports or business operations. I imagine he probably brought her in after Bill Gates pushed Paul Allen out of Microsoft and Paul wanted someone he could trust in a key position. But Jody Allen is hardly the tech or billionaire mogul her brother was, not even close. I knew she was part of Vulcan Ventures and is apparently listed as a co-founder, but Paul owned Vulcan Ventures and funded it with the money he took from selling ownership in Microsoft.

Jody Allen was not involved in sports operations until recently. She is at best an inexperienced owner. I just know from years of working in Big Tech around Microsoft and associated companies, Jody Allen is not a name that had any meaning or pull save once Paul Allen passed and she became the face of his remaining and considerable assets.

So I don't see her as an experienced or knowledgeable owner. More of a person thrust into the position after the passing of her brother who had to make a decision and made it or just left it up to Pete and John and didn't really bother to have much say in it. It might have been as simple as Jody saying, "You two run football operations, do what you think is best."

It's pretty easy to see she is not Paul Allen who had learned over the years how to run a football franchise and made firm decisions on head coaches, GMs, and how he wanted to do things with very good advisors like Todd Leiweke in place to assist him. I don't know who Jody Allen has involved as her advisor other than John and Pete.

Like I said, I'd bet a lot of money that if Paul were still alive, this would not have happened like it did. But that's water under the bridge now. Paul is gone and we'll see how this plays out in the coming years.

Good post, and I believe that your scenario is the most likely. I've seen a number of people, men and women alike, that were thrust into a position of authority without having any kind of knowledge of the business or the people that worked for them. Heck, I was hired into a supervisory position fresh out of college and found myself supervising people that had worked in the same position for 20 years. It's extremely intimidating.

But I had a backup in that I had a boss that did know the business and that I could turn to for support, and if he didn't know the answer, he'd make the call and take the responsibility. Jody Allen IS the boss. No matter how many advisors or how competent they are, the decision is still hers. And again, without appearing sexist, some women are a little more intimidated than others when entering a man's world. Can Jody handle it? Maybe, maybe not. But we would have to be deaf, dumb, and mute not to recognize the differences in gender as being a possible factor that entered into the equation that resulted in Pete's continuance as head coach.

[RiverDog]

It was clearly a 'Pete or Russ' scenario and if Pete and John had been let go the attraction for landing first class replacements would have been having Russ under contract.

I'm not sure if I'd agree that it was "clearly a Pete or Russ scenario", but I do agree that it was a strong possibility. And you're right, had we fired Pete, it would have been a much stronger selling point for attracting a new HC to have a franchise QB under contract.

[Hawktawk]

][quote="c_hawkbob"]It was clearly a 'Pete or Russ' scenario and if Pete and John had been let go the attraction for landing first class replacements would have been having Russ under contract.

RD


“ I’m not sure if I'd agree that it was "clearly a Pete or Russ scenario", but I do agree that it was a strong possibility. And you're right, had we fired Pete, it would have been a much stronger selling point for attracting a new HC to have a franchise QB under contract.”


I think Russ wanted to leave and was doing so no matter what . He wanted to after a 12-4 season . I also think had Penny who had become a cudgel to bash Pete had not played at an all pro level and Russ played his best ball late Pete would already be fired Russ or no Russ . The 50 burger saved Pete’s job another year IMO. And you guys are Indeed sexists underestimating Jodi Allen . Geniuses run in the family . It’s a slap to Paul’s legacy to say he put an incompetent person in charge because it’s his sister . Shame on you . She’s the one that pulled the plug on Russ .

[RiverDog]

I think Russ wanted to leave and was doing so no matter what . He wanted to after a 12-4 season . I also think had Penny who had become a cudgel to bash Pete had not played at an all pro level and Russ played his best ball late Pete would already be fired Russ or no Russ . The 50 burger saved Pete’s job another year IMO. And you guys are Indeed sexists underestimating Jodi Allen . Geniuses run in the family . It’s a slap to Paul’s legacy to say he put an incompetent person in charge because it’s his sister . Shame on you . She’s the one that pulled the plug on Russ .

If given a choice to play for someone like Nathaniel Hackett and stay in Seattle or be traded to Denver and play for him there, then I can't see any way on Earth why anyone would be willing to swap cities like that, let alone Russell. His issues were with Pete, not Seattle. There aren't very many professional athletes that, if given a choice, wouldn't choose to play their entire career with one team.

We were 4-8 when Penny had his first 100 yard game, and for all intents and purposes, out of the playoff hunt, and finished the season 7-10. To suggest that his performance saved Pete's job is ludicrous.

You have no more of an insight into Jody Allen as ASF or I, perhaps less as at least ASF once worked for Microsoft. Paul Allen was unmarried and his only surviving direct relative was his sister Jody. She was Paul's only option as to whom to name as executor of his estate. You're acting as if he had hundreds of people to choose from.

[Hawktawk]

“I think Russ wanted to leave and was doing so no matter what . He wanted to after a 12-4 season . I also think had Penny who had become a cudgel to bash Pete had not played at an all pro level and Russ played his best ball late Pete would already be fired Russ or no Russ . The 50 burger saved Pete’s job another year IMO. And you guys are Indeed sexists underestimating Jodi Allen . Geniuses run in the family . It’s a slap to Paul’s legacy to say he put an incompetent person in charge because it’s his sister . Shame on you . She’s the one that pulled the plug on Russ .”

If given a choice to play for someone like Nathaniel Hackett and stay in Seattle or be traded to Denver and play for him there, then I can't see any way on Earth why anyone would be willing to swap cities like that, let alone Russell. His issues were with Pete, not Seattle. There aren't very many professional athletes that, if given a choice, wouldn't choose to play their entire career with one team.

We were 4-8 when Penny had his first 100 yard game, and for all intents and purposes, out of the playoff hunt, and finished the season 7-10. To suggest that his performance saved Pete's job is ludicrous.

You have no more of an insight into Jody Allen as ASF or I, perhaps less as at least ASF once worked for Microsoft. Paul Allen was unmarried and his only surviving direct relative was his sister Jody. She was Paul's only option as to whom to name as executor of his estate. You're acting as if he had hundreds of people to choose from.[/quote]

[obiken]

Jodi Allen has to sell the team, that was his wish, and the money goes to the foundation; she is NOT an owner of the Hawks and never will be. We could have kept John, and Russ, and let Pete go bye bye, sorry I would have loved that option.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah going 4 of 6 with some big time offense saved his job . We were 4-8. Had we went 4-13 or 5 -12 Pete would have been fired . I said it at the time it went south he’s coaching for his job .

And this is what I know about Jodi who you think is some dingbat potted plant . “ WE WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL IN”. She didn’t have to say that or say anything . She wanted her feelings made clear and I sense anger in her words and I share it .

Ultimately it was her decision to trade him and cut out the cancer .

I know if I were Russ and had a coach get me to 2 super bowls my first 3 years , helped me get a ring , picked me over a pricey free agent I’d be loyal as a dog to the man forever .
You don’t like the guy anymore cause you don’t win MVP in hie offense?

Well GTFO then . Unthankful . Live in my world one day buddy before whining while cashing your 35 million check . “ hey Seattle we got a deal “ Fraudulent . I get so tired of the Pete bashing . 8 playoff teams in ten seasons . But Russ needs a new offense to not run like the last one . We will see how great Hackett is immediately . How Russel the magnificent has done swapping coaches and Seahawks blue for puke orange .

[RiverDog]

Yeah going 4 of 6 with some big time offense saved his job . We were 4-8. Had we went 4-13 or 5 -12 Pete would have been fired . I said it at the time it went south he’s coaching for his job.

I disagree. Who did we beat? The Texans? Gimme a break! The Lions? Whoop-de-do. A Cards team that was a runaway train heading for a washed out bridge? BFD. Sorry, man, if Pete was going to get the axe, our performance at the end of the season wouldn't have saved him. It simply wasn't that impressive.

And this is what I know about Jodi who you think is some dingbat potted plant . “ WE WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL IN”. She didn’t have to say that or say anything . She wanted her feelings made clear and I sense anger in her words and I share it .

Who said anything about Jody being a dingbat potted plant? Hell, I even used as an analogy a hypothetical situation using myself as an example, being tossed into the position of an NHL owner as I don't know the first thing about hockey. There's a difference between experience and intelligence.

Why do you feel the need to go so overboard on your characterizations? Are your points that weak that you feel the need to dramatize them?

[Hawktawk]

][quote="Hawktawk"]Yeah going 4 of 6 with some big time offense saved his job . We were 4-8. Had we went 4-13 or 5 -12 Pete would have been fired . I said it at the time it went south he’s coaching for his job.


RD”I disagree. Who did we beat? The Texans? Gimme a break! The Lions? Whoop-de-do. A Cards team that was a runaway train heading for a washed out bridge? BFD. Sorry, man, if Pete was going to get the axe, our performance at the end of the season wouldn't have saved him. It simply wasn't that impressive.”

[quote="Hawktawk"]And this is what I know about Jodi who you think is some dingbat potted plant . “ WE WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL IN”. She didn’t have to say that or say anything . She wanted her feelings made clear and I sense anger in her words and I share it .

RD “Who said anything about Jody being a dingbat potted plant? Hell, I even used as an analogy a hypothetical situation using myself as an example, being tossed into the position of an NHL owner as I don't know the first thing about hockey. There's a difference between experience and intelligence.

Why do you feel the need to go so overboard on your characterizations? Are your points that weak that you feel the need to dramatize them?”

No you ignore my great points like Jody’s quote which proved she’s not being led by the hand by anyone . If yu don’t like my style scroll by because it’s what it’s been for 20 years .

And yeah I suspect the finish saved Pete’s job . Can’t prove it obviously . I think it was nip and tuck and as I said in another excellent ignored point look at what she did with the Blazers FO after a playoff flameout . She’s actually quite ruthless.

I think Pete has to win this year . And yeah I think a back setting NFL records and rushing for 6.7 a carry after being a millstone around Pete’s neck , a poster child for Pete’s bad drafts was the best back in the league at the end of the season. Yeah it mattered and it was a very close call imo . So that’s my opinion . Im entitled to it without a net nanny telling me to be a potted plant in my posts

[TriCitySam]

Well, there are things we KNOW:

Stated by Jodi Allen: 1) the team is "not for sale"
2) "there is no preordained timeline" for the liquidation of Paul Allen's estate
3) "estates of this size and complexity, can take 10-20 years to wind down"
4) Wilson and/or his agent made it clear to Schneider that RW "would not be re-signing with Seattle"
5) Considering #3, a number of us here will not have to worry about it.

And there are things that are only speculated on by some:
1) Whether there was ever a "him or me" conversation with anyone
2) How much dough Jodi Allen will inherit, and if enough, could she put an ownership together

[Aseahawkfan]

Well, there are things we KNOW:

Stated by Jodi Allen: 1) the team is "not for sale"
2) "there is no preordained timeline" for the liquidation of Paul Allen's estate
3) "estates of this size and complexity, can take 10-20 years to wind down"
4) Wilson and/or his agent made it clear to Schneider that RW "would not be re-signing with Seattle"
5) Considering #3, a number of us here will not have to worry about it.

And there are things that are only speculated on by some:
1) Whether there was ever a "him or me" conversation with anyone
2) How much dough Jodi Allen will inherit, and if enough, could she put an ownership together

I have not seen number 4 at all. Given the use of tags, it doesn't matter if Wilson and his agent said they would not sign with Seattle. Seattle had control. Same as Aaron Rodgers who made an even bigger stink about wanting to leave didn't leave because the team has control. So not sure why people come to this conclusion when a player cannot force their way out without the team allowing it. It doesn't matter if their agent says, "My client won't sign with you" because the team can just say "Then we will tag him." Russ is 33 years old. Russell is signed through 2023. With tags the team could have likely controlled him until 2025. That would have made him around 36 to 37 when the team lost control of him. There is no assurance that at 36 or 37 year old Russell would be performing at the level he is currently performing at.

So 4 should be: The Seahawks decided that Russell did not figure into their long-term plans and traded him for the best deal they could find to acquire draft capital to start a rebuild around younger players.

That is what we know for sure based on the team's actions and the way the league works.

Speculation:
2. Paul Allen's money is in a trust. She likely has her shares of ownership in Vulcan Ventures and whatever other assets she accumulated. Allen was very careful not to allow someone to have so much ownership they could push him out after what happened to him with Bill Gates and Microsoft.

[c_hawkbob]

I ain't buying #4 either (which to my mind casts doubt on the whole post), I haven't seen that substantiated at all.

[tarlhawk]

I ain't buying #4 either (which to my mind casts doubt on the whole post), I haven't seen that substantiated at all.

Whether or not its "true" ...number 4) passes the logic test. The team had control over RW the player...but needed him to agree on re-signing so the GM could escape the salary cap purgatory the team had found themselves in. If RW really wanted to "stay" yet stay at odds with the GM's desire to readdress the cap issue...they needed cap space to get Diggs and Penny re-signed...RW had a no trade clause to keep his own personal interests secure...so I think maybe RW wanted some sign of his influenced commitment before agreeing to an extension...and John Schneider didn't want to compete on the market for retaining the services of Diggs/Penny...so I really think the "final straw" occurred the previous year and the mutual agreement to "part services" took about a year to get an agreement with Denver that both involved parties could agree on...my guess...pure speculation.

[govandals]

Well, there are things we KNOW:
4) Wilson and/or his agent made it clear to Schneider that RW "would not be re-signing with Seattle"

This is 100% true. JS said this in the RW trade press conference.
If you "not buying it" or "haven't seen it at all", your just not paying attention.

[govandals]

So 4 should be: The Seahawks decided that Russell did not figure into their long-term plans after he told them he would not sign a long term extention and traded him for the best deal they could find to acquire draft capital to start a rebuild around younger players.

Fixed it for you.

[Aseahawkfan]

Fixed it for you.

Look, if you want to be an ignorant person who doesn't understand NFL contracts and the tag system, feel free. But don't lump me with you by "fixing" information you don't understand.

Players don't have control. That is why tags exist like the franchise tag. If people like yourself who don't understand NFL contracts or how the NFL system works want to buy into gossip and rumormongering from reporters, have at it.

We had control of Russell for two more years per his contract. The team could have used tags to control him for two more years. By that time he is 36 or 37 and likely nowhere near the value he was. So the team decided they could get better value by trading him now.

The decision was made because the team did not have him in their long-term plans and did not plan to use tags to keep him after his contract expired to force negotation.

That is how it works. You want to know how many players have wanted out and said that through their agents? Too many to name. You want to know how often that works when the team doesn't want to allow it? Never.

Just like when Earl and Sherm and Kam tried to force negotiations with holdouts and the like. Doesn't work. The player doesn't have control, the team does.

So please, keep your ignorant viewpoint out of my statements.

[Aseahawkfan]

This is 100% true. JS said this in the RW trade press conference.
If you "not buying it" or "haven't seen it at all", your just not paying attention.

And if you don't realize what Schneider and Russell say doesn't matter as the team has means to force negotiation, then you haven't been paying attention to how NFL contracts and the tag system works for all the years you been watching.

[NorthHawk]

What’s not mentioned is if Pete used a modern Offense, Russ would probably still be here.

[c_hawkbob]

Yeah, John definitely left that sentence unfinished.

[govandals]

Look, if you want to be an ignorant person who doesn't understand NFL contracts and the tag system, feel free. But don't lump me with you by "fixing" information you don't understand.

Players don't have control. That is why tags exist like the franchise tag. If people like yourself who don't understand NFL contracts or how the NFL system works want to buy into gossip and rumormongering from reporters, have at it.

We had control of Russell for two more years per his contract. The team could have used tags to control him for two more years. By that time he is 36 or 37 and likely nowhere near the value he was. So the team decided they could get better value by trading him now.

The decision was made because the team did not have him in their long-term plans and did not plan to use tags to keep him after his contract expired to force negotation.

That is how it works. You want to know how many players have wanted out and said that through their agents? Too many to name. You want to know how often that works when the team doesn't want to allow it? Never.

Just like when Earl and Sherm and Kam tried to force negotiations with holdouts and the like. Doesn't work. The player doesn't have control, the team does.

So please, keep your ignorant viewpoint out of my statements.

I understand contracts and tags pretty well. Russ got what he wanted in the end, a new team. So, yeah, Russ pretty much had the control. No way JS would tag Russ 2 times, holding him hostage to the team. That would be a bad, bad look for the franchise.

As far as the whole Russ trade situation goes, go back to April 2021 and read my "Thoughts on Russ" thread. Read how well your comments have aged, read how well my comments have aged. Then come back here and tell me just how ignorant my viewpoint is.

[govandals]

What’s not mentioned is if Pete used a modern Offense, Russ would probably still be here.

Unfortunately, this is true. I still prefer Russ over Pete.

[govandals]

And if you don't realize what Schneider and Russell say doesn't matter as the team has means to force negotiation, then you haven't been paying attention to how NFL contracts and the tag system works for all the years you been watching.

Of course it matters what Schneider says, When it come to negotiations, Schneider IS the team.

[Hawktawk]

Govandals
“This is 100% true. JS said this in the RW trade press conference.
If you "not buying it" or "haven't seen it at all", your just not paying attention.”

Asea
“And if you don't realize what Schneider and Russell say doesn't matter as the team has means to force negotiation, then you haven't been paying attention to how NFL contracts and the tag system works for all the years you been watching.”

Govandals has it right .

Interesting how what Pete and John say is not supposed to matter when we had leaked teams , whining about being hit too much , the weakest most chicken thing I ever heard an NFL qb say . The bears offer of reported 3 first rounders and Kalil Mack which JS REJECTED!!!that should end the debate right there but there is more .

Forcing the firing of Schottie , playing poorly , checking out and beginning the process of leaking his desire to leave , now reported he and Mark Rodgers had compiled a checklist of every team they might have interest in and Denver was #1, Good players , huge fan base and media market etc . Then “ I want to win 3 or 4 more “ I hope it’s here “ I love it here “ but I want to win too. “ he had a no trade clause . Talk about uninformed or blind if you think it was Seattle pushing it . I’m the end yeah teams have to negotiate trades . But as Wyman says it was a forced rebuild if that’s what it is .
All because a guy rewarded beyond his wildest dreams wants to lead the league in passing .

In the end what in the hell was Seattle supposed to do ? Tag him ? He already proved his attitude affects his play .
No those who still buy Wilson’s line of BS are suspending disbelief .

As for me I’m a true fan of Seattle , really dislike previous guy for what he did to Seattle , said about us , and will chug a beer the first time Seattle lays him out . It’s gonna be a long night .

[NorthHawk]

[quoteOf course it matters what Schneider says, When it come to negotiations, Schneider IS the team.][/quote]

But Carroll has final say over the roster and JS reports to him, so it's not quite that simple.

[NorthHawk]

Forcing the firing of Schottie , playing poorly , checking out and beginning the process of leaking his desire to leave , now reported he and Mark Rodgers had compiled a checklist of every team they might have interest in and Denver was #1, Good players , huge fan base and media market etc . Then “ I want to win 3 or 4 more “ I hope it’s here “ I love it here “ but I want to win too. “ he had a no trade clause . Talk about uninformed or blind if you think it was Seattle pushing it . I’m the end yeah teams have to negotiate trades . But as Wyman says it was a forced rebuild if that’s what it is .
All because a guy rewarded beyond his wildest dreams wants to lead the league in passing .

There so much bullshit in this comment it's almost impossible to respond.

[Hawktawk]

Forcing the firing of Schottie , playing poorly , checking out and beginning the process of leaking his desire to leave , now reported he and Mark Rodgers had compiled a checklist of every team they might have interest in and Denver was #1, Good players , huge fan base and media market etc . Then “ I want to win 3 or 4 more “ I hope it’s here “ I love it here “ but I want to win too. “ he had a no trade clause . Talk about uninformed or blind if you think it was Seattle pushing it . I’m the end yeah teams have to negotiate trades . But as Wyman says it was a forced rebuild if that’s what it is .
All because a guy rewarded beyond his wildest dreams wants to lead the league in passing .

There so much bullshit in this comment it's almost impossible to respond.

Be more specific . Russ is on tape, leaks about him wanting out have occurred 2 years in a row , obviously proven true . What’s incorrect And if so what are the facts ?

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But Carroll has final say over the roster and JS reports to him, so it's not quite that simple.

Yes, I think we all know that, but JS works the contracts, not Pete. RW and his agent negotiate with JS, not Pete.

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There so much bullshit in this comment it's almost impossible to respond.

No BS in that comment. Maybe a few assumptions by hawktawk, but certainly nothing I disagree with.

[Hawktawk]

No BS in that comment. Maybe a few assumptions by hawktawk, but certainly nothing I disagree with.

I make some assumptions and I also interpret what is said or not said in a certain way . But all the stuff about Schottie being fired to please Russ , the checklist compiled by him of teams , reports he was watching Denver film while still a Seahawk is all stuff that’s been reported on . Not my conjecture . And Russel rumors proved to be 100% true .

In the end Russ is gone but I think it matters how it’s recorded by history . It’s clear to me Russ wanted to leave and made it so hard on Pete and the fO they gave him what he wanted . I think the timing worked well for Seattle and they will reap greater rewards of the 2 teams . So it’s a win for Seattle . But it wasn’t their choice.

[Hawktawk]

quote="Hawktawk"]Yeah going 4 of 6 with some big time offense saved his job . We were 4-8. Had we went 4-13 or 5 -12 Pete would have been fired . I said it at the time it went south he’s coaching for his job.[/quote]

I disagree. Who did we beat? The Texans? Gimme a break! The Lions? Whoop-de-do. A Cards team that was a runaway train heading for a washed out bridge? BFD. Sorry, man, if Pete was going to get the axe, our performance at the end of the season wouldn't have saved him. It simply wasn't that impressive.

“ I don’t play good team bad team . It’s ridiculous to suggest scoring 50 points or rushing for 6.7 yards per carry over 6 games vs any team in the show is not that impressive “

And this is what I know about Jodi who you think is some dingbat potted plant . “ WE WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL IN”. She didn’t have to say that or say anything . She wanted her feelings made clear and I sense anger in her words and I share it .

Who said anything about Jody being a dingbat potted plant? Hell, I even used as an analogy a hypothetical situation using myself as an example, being tossed into the position of an NHL owner as I don't know the first thing about hockey. There's a difference between experience and intelligence.

Why do you feel the need to go so overboard on your characterizations? Are your points that weak that you feel the need to dramatize them?[/quote]

On reflection you seem offended by my color commentary of the Jodi is in over her head crowd .

It’s how I talk , it’s how I write , it’s what I sounded like on radio . People laugh , find me funny , I have tons of friends. It’s hard to get the tongue in cheek joke on the Internet without the person and delivery .

But if it offended you I am sorry . As to my point about Jodi her brother has owned the team 25 years , she has the full backing of Vulcan and admittedly by Pc she deals exclusively with John unless Pete is called in for a meeting . If anyone convinced her of anything it was John and he was the one taking verbal abuse and cursing on the phone from the agent whose client had signed the richest contract in the league a few years before . But the statement she made shows she’s got plenty of backbone . A wallflower says nothing . Whatever you think of the deal it was her call .