Could Sean Payton Become Seahawks Coach in 2023?

[TriCitySam]

I want Jim Harbaugh. He still has something to prove.

Shoot me first...

[Aseahawkfan]

Shoot me first...

I don't know what what Harbaugh has done to evoke this reaction from Seattle fans, but whatever, Harbaugh is one of the more promising coaches I've seen in years. I'm surprised other teams aren't giving him a shot. All he likes to do is build up teams to win putting everything he's got into doing that.

I didn't like him when he was a 49er but that's because he was a 49er. Division rivals are the enemy as far as I see them. But now he's just a great coach that we could possibly hire to help us win.

[NorthHawk]

Because he was a mortal enemy and we took great satisfaction from beating him.
It’s hard to turn that off for some.

[RiverDog]

Because he was a mortal enemy and we took great satisfaction from beating him. It’s hard to turn that off for some.

He also has a corrosive personality. I can recall when we had a couple of players that got nabbed for PED's, he made some sort of snide remark about his players being morally/ethically better (I can't recall the exact phrase he used), and I remember an incident at the end of a game vs. the Lions when he got into it with their head coach. There was also a rub between him and Pete that went back to their days as Pac 10 coaches. He's one of those guys that has a knack for rubbing people the wrong way.

If we brought him in here, he would almost certainly say or do something that would create a distraction.

[Aseahawkfan]

He also has a corrosive personality. I can recall when we had a couple of players that got nabbed for PED's, he made some sort of snide remark about his players being morally/ethically better (I can't recall the exact phrase he used), and I remember an incident at the end of a game vs. the Lions when he got into it with their head coach. There was also a rub between him and Pete that went back to their days as Pac 10 coaches. He's one of those guys that has a knack for rubbing people the wrong way.

If we brought him in here, he would almost certainly say or do something that would create a distraction.

Not enough of a distraction to take us to the playoffs and compete for a Super Bowl.

[govandals]

People thought the same about Pete Carroll. That worked out for us.

I meant that Harbaugh's authoritarain personality/coaching style grows weary on veteran guys. He is better suited for younger kids and where the rosters turn over every few years. Not like Pete at all.

[Aseahawkfan]

I meant that Harbaugh's authoritarain personality/coaching style grows weary on veteran guys. He is better suited for younger kids and where the rosters turn over every few years. Not like Pete at all.

I don't much buy this. Bill Belichick is an authoritarian coach and he's won more than anyone in the past 20 years. Attention to detail and ensuring players are following the plan is not a bad thing if the plan is good.

I know there isn't much chance of us hiring Jim Harbaugh. I think people are stupid not to give that dude another chance and make sure to have a GM he can work well with. He'll give you everything to win. He's that kind of guy.

[govandals]

I don't much buy this.

Well you should. There was much written about vets having a dislike for Harbaugh when he left San Francisco.

[govandals]

https://www.nfl.com/news/niners-veteran ... 0000401569

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https://www.thesportsbank.net/nfl/jim-h ... e-sources/

[Aseahawkfan]

https://www.nfl.com/news/niners-veterans-still-grumbling-about-jim-harbaugh-0ap3000000401569

Rumor mill is not confirmation. He had plenty of vets when he took them to two conference championships and a Super Bowl. They gave everything to win. I notice once again no names given.

On top of that Harbaugh was at odds with the GM. When I see rumor-mongering like this, I'd bet money someone is trying to undermine the team either from within or outside.

So not buying it. Belichick is every bit as hardcore and he wins.

I go by what a person does, not the rumors. In four years in Frisco, Harbaugh won and competed for a Super Bowl. He turned Stanford into a real competitor and Andrew Luck into the number one draft pick. He is in Michigan turning that program into a competitive program.

Results trump rumors.

[govandals]

I trust Ian Rapport, he is well connected in NFL circles. A direct statement from Randy Moss about Harbaugh is not a rumor. Did you even read what I posted??

[Aseahawkfan]

I trust Ian Rapport, he is well connected in NFL circles. A direct statement from Randy Moss about Harbaugh is not a rumor. Did you even read what I posted??

I don't trust any reporters or even read any of them. Sports aren't about reporters.

Yes. A statement by Randy Moss with no names, just generalizations, is rumor. All of what you posted is pure rumor. No one giving names and for all we know it is one veteran player that some guy is building into more.

Same thing I heard about Carroll from the NFL "experts" and reporters and fans in his first few years when things weren't going well how his "rah-rah" style wouldn't work with veteran players. It was pure BS.

I've heard that kind of crap for the entire fourty plus years I've been watching the NFL. I don't buy it. When things aren't going well, rumors about why get stirred up. Happens all the time.

I go by results. Jim Harbaugh gets results as in wins in his short NFL record and long college record.

So unless you got more than rumors and hearsay to go off of, I'm not much interested because as far as I can see Jim Harbaugh can build a competitive team. That's all I care about.

You may buy into rumor mongering over results, but I don't.

The chances of him coming here are slim to none, so it's not a concern. But don't try to tell me this guy can't coach. You don't have a leg to stand on for that.

[NorthHawk]

Pete lost some of the key vets when things went sour, too. Sherm unhappy, ET popping off, Bennett reading during Pete’s spiel to the
younger players. They started to tune him out, so Harbaugh isn’t alone with not keeping veterans attention after a number of years.

[govandals]

But don't try to tell me this guy can't coach. You don't have a leg to stand on for that.

LOL And when did I say that? Oh, I didn't.

You're so fired up beacaue I'm telling you something you dont want to hear, that you can't see the forrest through the trees. Randy Moss was on the Niners roster in 2012 under Harbaugh, if he had concerns about Harbaugh's style, I'd say thats valid.

There were numerous reports back in the day of Harbaugh's abrasive style, much more than the 2 linked above. Where there is smoke there is fire. But that's OK, it doesn't fit your narrative, so don't pay attention those darn rumor mongers like Ian Rapoport, even though he is one of the most well connected and respected NFL writers out there.

FWIW, I think Harbaugh is a good X's and O's guy, better than Pete. He may get another NFL shot with some short term success. But he'll never be successful long term in the NFL.

[RiverDog]

He also has a corrosive personality. I can recall when we had a couple of players that got nabbed for PED's, he made some sort of snide remark about his players being morally/ethically better (I can't recall the exact phrase he used), and I remember an incident at the end of a game vs. the Lions when he got into it with their head coach. There was also a rub between him and Pete that went back to their days as Pac 10 coaches. He's one of those guys that has a knack for rubbing people the wrong way.

If we brought him in here, he would almost certainly say or do something that would create a distraction.

Not enough of a distraction to take us to the playoffs and compete for a Super Bowl.

That would depend on the distraction. If he were to get into it with John Schneider or duke it out with a player or coach, then it damn well could be enough of a distraction to cause us not to be able to compete for a SB.

Look, there is no doubt that Hairball has an abrasive personality. You'd have to stick your head in the sand and ignore all of the various reports to believe otherwise. If he were a great coach, one could overlook a flaw like that. But he's not a great coach. He's somewhere between marginal and good IMO.

[Aseahawkfan]

LOL And when did I say that? Oh, I didn't.

You're so fired up beacaue I'm telling you something you dont want to hear, that you can't see the forrest through the trees. Randy Moss was on the Niners roster in 2012 under Harbaugh, if he had concerns about Harbaugh's style, I'd say thats valid.

There were numerous reports back in the day of Harbaugh's abrasive style, much more than the 2 linked above. Where there is smoke there is fire. But that's OK, it doesn't fit your narrative, so don't pay attention those darn rumor mongers like Ian Rapoport, even though he is one of the most well connected and respected NFL writers out there.

FWIW, I think Harbaugh is a good X's and O's guy, better than Pete. He may get another NFL shot with some short term success. But he'll never be successful long term in the NFL.

How do you even quantify a lost locker room or unhappy vets? That's like proving "Russell isn't black enough" or "Pete's rah-rah style won't work". Sounds great when things aren't going right, totally forgotten when things are going well. I could literally apply that to any coach during a down season. I could say it during a positive season based on a rumor or speculation. It's a completely unmeasurable idea. It would be like saying the locker room was with Harbaugh when he was winning his first three seasons and what he lost them in the last year because he went 8 and 8? Imagine doing that for every coach. It's completely unprovable speculation. So I don't even think about it as it is impossible to quantify and useless to think about.

Well, until Harbaugh comes back to the NFL for an extended period of time, you can believe what you want. I just know I'd take a shot on him as the Seahawks head coach if the position comes open. He has everything you look for in a high quality coach as I've already listed. I'd give him the ten years as long as I saw progress to get the job done.

[Aseahawkfan]

That would depend on the distraction. If he were to get into it with John Schneider or duke it out with a player or coach, then it damn well could be enough of a distraction to cause us not to be able to compete for a SB.

Look, there is no doubt that Hairball has an abrasive personality. You'd have to stick your head in the sand and ignore all of the various reports to believe otherwise. If he were a great coach, one could overlook a flaw like that. But he's not a great coach. He's somewhere between marginal and good IMO.

How do you rate a guy as marginal to good who has done what he's done? He seems pretty far above marginal to good.

Turned around a moribund Stanford program including developing a number one draft pick QB. We even got Richard Sherman from Stanford, who turned out to be a Pro Bowl CB. When was the last time you heard of a Stanford QB being number one? Elway?

Took a 49ers franchise that hadn't done anything in years to two conference championships and a Super Bowl in 4 years with only one down year.

Then built back up a Michigan Wolverines college team that wasn't doing much.

Harbaugh has an abrasive personality, but his record indicates great coach, not marginal to good. Not even sure how you see that other than a personal bias against him. His accomplishments are quite extraordinary and he really hasn't been given a full chance to do the job at the NFL level.

I'm chalk up that stupid assessment to your personal bias against the guy. Same as you had against Pete when he first arrived. It's just something you do when you don't like a guy.

[Aseahawkfan]

Pete lost some of the key vets when things went sour, too. Sherm unhappy, ET popping off, Bennett reading during Pete’s spiel to the
younger players. They started to tune him out, so Harbaugh isn’t alone with not keeping veterans attention after a number of years.

We know why that happened and it's no great mystery. We lost a Super Bowl in an incredibly stupid way, then didn't get back quickly as careers were winding down. When you lay it all on the line to hit that peak like we hit, then you fail to capitalize due to an absolutely idiotic play call that is recorded for all time, you can see where the mental break occurred.

[NorthHawk]

He still lost some of the leaders of the team and it has yet to recover.

[obiken]

Look, there is no doubt that Hairball has an abrasive personality. You'd have to stick your head in the sand and ignore all of the various reports to believe otherwise. If he were a great coach, one could overlook a flaw like that. But he's not a great coach. He's somewhere between marginal and good IMO.

River, there are too many coaches out there that would be better than Either one of them. Like an Eric Biemeny, his only down grade is that he's black. Its the only explanation for him not being snagged.

[RiverDog]

How do you rate a guy as marginal to good who has done what he's done? He seems pretty far above marginal to good.

Turned around a moribund Stanford program including developing a number one draft pick QB. We even got Richard Sherman from Stanford, who turned out to be a Pro Bowl CB. When was the last time you heard of a Stanford QB being number one? Elway?

Took a 49ers franchise that hadn't done anything in years to two conference championships and a Super Bowl in 4 years with only one down year.

Then built back up a Michigan Wolverines college team that wasn't doing much.

Harbaugh has an abrasive personality, but his record indicates great coach, not marginal to good. Not even sure how you see that other than a personal bias against him. His accomplishments are quite extraordinary and he really hasn't been given a full chance to do the job at the NFL level.

I'm chalk up that stupid assessment to your personal bias against the guy. Same as you had against Pete when he first arrived. It's just something you do when you don't like a guy.

I've already explained why I've discounted Hairball's accomplishments and see no reason to delve into the subject any further. As with any coaching candidate, his abrasive personality and penchant for controversy is a negative that has to be weighed against his X's and O's football prowess.

It's a moot point anyway. Hairball has shown no inclination to leave Michigan and we haven't shown any desire to entertain the thought of Pete's replacement should an opening occur.

[Hawktawk]

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“Pete lost some of the key vets when things went sour, too. Sherm unhappy, ET popping off, Bennett reading during Pete’s spiel to the
younger players. They started to tune him out, so Harbaugh isn’t alone with not keeping veterans attention after a number of years.

We know why that happened and it's no great mystery. We lost a Super Bowl in an incredibly stupid way, then didn't get back quickly as careers were winding down. When you lay it all on the line to hit that peak like we hit, then you fail to capitalize due to an absolutely idiotic play call that is recorded for all time, you can see where the mental break occurred.

Bad call worse execution awful throw . The players were upset not just by the call but by the perceived reason and also that Russ threw a pick . It’s been documented in several articles . Guys like Sherm didn’t think Russ was held to the same standards . If the call keeps getting brought up it’s all fair game . As you say it’s time to look ahead but hindsight is 2020. It killed a dynasty . It tore apart a band of brothers . It stunted Russels career as great as it’s been as I don’t think he’s been comfortable throwing between the hashes since . Before that he threw it everywhere . It’s a sad subject all around . A great team but so much more potential wasted .

[Hawktawk]

“ North. Because he was a mortal enemy and we took great satisfaction from beating him. It’s hard to turn that off for some.”

He also has a corrosive personality. I can recall when we had a couple of players that got nabbed for PED's, he made some sort of snide remark about his players being morally/ethically better (I can't recall the exact phrase he used), and I remember an incident at the end of a game vs. the Lions when he got into it with their head coach. There was also a rub between him and Pete that went back to their days as Pac 10 coaches. He's one of those guys that has a knack for rubbing people the wrong way.

If we brought him in here, he would almost certainly say or do something that would create a distraction.

This right here ^ and he’s won what exactly ? He’d have been better off with Alex Smith in 2012 . Dude was completing 71 % of his passes , highest QBR in the league and got a concussion and never started another game . Served Hairball right he never won with that Jack wagon . To say I dislike Kaepernick is an understatement . But once again the guy had a loaded Frisco team . Lost to Joe Flacco. Michigan ? Finally got in the final 4 and got abused .
If he was a proven championship caliber coach it would still be hard to take his personality . I’ve seen nothing to indicate he’s championship caliber

[Aseahawkfan]

Bad call worse execution awful throw . The players were upset not just by the call but by the perceived reason and also that Russ threw a pick . It’s been documented in several articles . Guys like Sherm didn’t think Russ was held to the same standards . If the call keeps getting brought up it’s all fair game . As you say it’s time to look ahead but hindsight is 2020. It killed a dynasty . It tore apart a band of brothers . It stunted Russels career as great as it’s been as I don’t think he’s been comfortable throwing between the hashes since . Before that he threw it everywhere . It’s a sad subject all around . A great team but so much more potential wasted .

The articles don't matter. I don't care about that.

I know what happened. Team peaked. Messed up on that final play. Then started getting injured and careers started ending. Same as every team in the same position that I've seen happen too many times to count. Main difference is teams like Frisco and the 90s Cowboys could spend money to replenish lost talent with no salary cap limit, but when the salary cap came into place it was hard enough to retain talent you developed. When it peaks and starts to decay, you have to replenish with lower round draft picks. This is all by design in the NFL and it works very effectively to maintain constant change and competition.

As a team decays, that's when they start trying to find "mental" excuses other than the quantifiable obvious cycle of championship teams in the modern salary cap era.

That's why I ignore or disregard that type of discussion. It's pointless and unprovable. What is provable is Sherm and Kam and Earl started getting hurt and their performance degraded as their bodies wore down same as most NFL players who peak and their performance falls off. The NFL has a tighter peak and drop cycle depending on the position.

[Aseahawkfan]

I've already explained why I've discounted Hairball's accomplishments and see no reason to delve into the subject any further. As with any coaching candidate, his abrasive personality and penchant for controversy is a negative that has to be weighed against his X's and O's football prowess.

It's a moot point anyway. Hairball has shown no inclination to leave Michigan and we haven't shown any desire to entertain the thought of Pete's replacement should an opening occur.

That I can agree with. Until he's in the running or head coach of Seattle or any NFL team, discussion is pointless other than I would rather have him than Sean Payton because I feel like Harbaugh still has a lot to prove and hasn't been given the time to do it.

Whereas Payton had a nice long run as head coach of the Saints and we know what that looked like. He spent 15 seasons with the Saints and went to two Super Bowls winning one. I'd like a bit more upside with my head coach and I think I'd get that with an unknown or someone who has shown just enough promise they might be able to do more.

I am hoping Clint Hurtt can show some promise. We'll see in the next few seasons.

Given Pete's age, we'll definitely be looking for a head coach soon.

[RiverDog]

I am hoping Clint Hurtt can show some promise. We'll see in the next few seasons.

Given Pete's age, we'll definitely be looking for a head coach soon.

I don't want to write Pete a blank check stating that he can name whoever he desires to replace him. Pete has not done a very good job of procuring coaches, and I don't want to limit ourselves only to candidates of his choosing. The Seattle job is one of the more desirable in the league. We would have a very wide field of prospective coaches to choose from.

Besides, we don't know exactly how much pull Pete has with our ownership, if they would even consider such a proposition. If we tank like a lot of people expect, they could lose confidence in him and force him out, in which case they almost certainly wouldn't give his recommendations that much weight.

The other thing to keep in mind is that our next head coach might depend on just what our team looks like at the time the opening occurs. If we draft a great, young quarterback, they may want to bring in as a head coach an offensive mind that could coach him up.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't want to write Pete a blank check stating that he can name whoever he desires to replace him. Pete has not done a very good job of procuring coaches, and I don't want to limit ourselves only to candidates of his choosing. The Seattle job is one of the more desirable in the league. We would have a very wide field of prospective coaches to choose from.

Besides, we don't know exactly how much pull Pete has with our ownership, if they would even consider such a proposition. If we tank like a lot of people expect, they could lose confidence in him and force him out, in which case they almost certainly wouldn't give his recommendations that much weight.

The other thing to keep in mind is that our next head coach might depend on just what our team looks like at the time the opening occurs. If we draft a great, young quarterback, they may want to bring in as a head coach an offensive mind that could coach him up.

Enough pull to get a popular franchise QB traded and start a rebuild while still remaining head coach.

[RiverDog]

I don't want to write Pete a blank check stating that he can name whoever he desires to replace him. Pete has not done a very good job of procuring coaches, and I don't want to limit ourselves only to candidates of his choosing. The Seattle job is one of the more desirable in the league. We would have a very wide field of prospective coaches to choose from.

Besides, we don't know exactly how much pull Pete has with our ownership, if they would even consider such a proposition. If we tank like a lot of people expect, they could lose confidence in him and force him out, in which case they almost certainly wouldn't give his recommendations that much weight.

The other thing to keep in mind is that our next head coach might depend on just what our team looks like at the time the opening occurs. If we draft a great, young quarterback, they may want to bring in as a head coach an offensive mind that could coach him up.

Enough pull to get a popular franchise QB traded and start a rebuild while still remaining head coach.

Yep, that's true. But I seriously doubt that Pete's "pull" is infinite. If we do a face plant next season, who knows what will be going through the minds of our ownership.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yep, that's true. But I seriously doubt that Pete's "pull" is infinite. If we do a face plant next season, who knows what will be going through the minds of our ownership.

If you were an owner and you agreed to do what Pete and John did, how long would you give them? 3 to 5 years as long as you see some progress? How much progress would you have to see? I figure Pete bought himself at least until the end of his contract unless he wants to leave.

[RiverDog]

Yep, that's true. But I seriously doubt that Pete's "pull" is infinite. If we do a face plant next season, who knows what will be going through the minds of our ownership.

If you were an owner and you agreed to do what Pete and John did, how long would you give them? 3 to 5 years as long as you see some progress? How much progress would you have to see? I figure Pete bought himself at least until the end of his contract unless he wants to leave.

As of today, you may be right. But things change.

Neither you nor I know the degree of tolerance our management has for losing football. But if Jodi Allen and her advisers care even slightly about the success and failure of this franchise, they won't give Pete or anyone a blank check that lasts forever. No owner does. Even if Bill Belichick were to turn in 3-4 five or fewer win seasons, don't think that there wouldn't be pressure for him to resign.

[tarlhawk]

We don't need a coaching change...was a decision made between Pete and Russell? Plenty of ammo for disappointed fan banter...but IF the decision was such then you don't make it a one year decision ...when Pete and the team is up against one of the tougher 2022 schedules ...and creating new team direction/leadership in the vacuum/chaos of experiencing the loss of two of your teams stable leaders and team legends. For every (very good) newly hired coach there seems to be at least ten "failures" and a lot of upheaval as the ownership tries to gage the success/improvement of a teams change in culture/direction.

[NorthHawk]

It depends on what was said. Maybe Pete did a great selling job on Jody like he’s done with a lot of fans.
If he told her we don’t need a top QB in his system then she might have said OK. But there might also be some conditions on it like
not much drop off in performance or a time frame for success. With Pete being 71 this year it’s hard to believe it will be a long term plan.

[Hawktawk]

I don't want to write Pete a blank check stating that he can name whoever he desires to replace him. Pete has not done a very good job of procuring coaches, and I don't want to limit ourselves only to candidates of his choosing. The Seattle job is one of the more desirable in the league. We would have a very wide field of prospective coaches to choose from.

Besides, we don't know exactly how much pull Pete has with our ownership, if they would even consider such a proposition. If we tank like a lot of people expect, they could lose confidence in him and force him out, in which case they almost certainly wouldn't give his recommendations that much weight.

The other thing to keep in mind is that our next head coach might depend on just what our team looks like at the time the opening occurs. If we draft a great, young quarterback, they may want to bring in as a head coach an offensive mind that could coach him up.

Asea “Enough pull to get a popular franchise QB traded and start a rebuild while still remaining head coach.”

Yep, that's true. But I seriously doubt that Pete's "pull" is infinite. If we do a face plant next season, who knows what will be going through the minds of our ownership.

For the love of god can we get the trade right ? Russ made clear for over a year he wanted control or he was leaving , said disruptive things in the media . Had his agent leaking teams . He made himself such a pain in the a$$ he forced their hand . Imo JS was far more interested in accommodation then Pete who I believe has been clipped and really no choice in the matter .
Much like wags . Pete seemed surprised .

The dynamic is different which may be a good thing for those who think Pete has too much control . It’s for the best . Just don’t say Pete “ pulled” for trading Wilson as there is absolutely no evidence or reporting of the kind . Making it up is worse than repeating rumors .

They got out while the getting is good and hit a Homerun with the trade capital . Let’s see moving forward . Sounds like previous dude wants a new deal . Good luck with Mark Rodgers Denver

[RiverDog]

I don't want to write Pete a blank check stating that he can name whoever he desires to replace him. Pete has not done a very good job of procuring coaches, and I don't want to limit ourselves only to candidates of his choosing. The Seattle job is one of the more desirable in the league. We would have a very wide field of prospective coaches to choose from.

Besides, we don't know exactly how much pull Pete has with our ownership, if they would even consider such a proposition. If we tank like a lot of people expect, they could lose confidence in him and force him out, in which case they almost certainly wouldn't give his recommendations that much weight.

The other thing to keep in mind is that our next head coach might depend on just what our team looks like at the time the opening occurs. If we draft a great, young quarterback, they may want to bring in as a head coach an offensive mind that could coach him up.

Enough pull to get a popular franchise QB traded and start a rebuild while still remaining head coach.”

Yep, that's true. But I seriously doubt that Pete's "pull" is infinite. If we do a face plant next season, who knows what will be going through the minds of our ownership.

For the love of god can we get the trade right ? Russ made clear for over a year he wanted control or he was leaving , said disruptive things in the media . Had his agent leaking teams . He made himself such a pain in the a$$ he forced their hand . Imo JS was far more interested in accommodation then Pete who I believe has been clipped and really no choice in the matter .
Much like wags . Pete seemed surprised .

The dynamic is different which may be a good thing for those who think Pete has too much control . It’s for the best . Just don’t say Pete “ pulled” for trading Wilson as there is absolutely no evidence or reporting of the kind . Making it up is worse than repeating rumors .

They got out while the getting is good and hit a Homerun with the trade capital . Let’s see moving forward . Sounds like previous dude wants a new deal . Good luck with Mark Rodgers Denver

We hit a home run with the trade capital? We haven't even hit a single. We won't know the results of this trade for another 3-5 years, if not longer.

IMO it's a reasonable assumption that Jodi Allen was faced with a choice: Pete or Russell. That's what ASF was referring to when he said "pull", that Pete's influence was greater than Russell's. I'm not going so far as to say that's how it came down, but it's not an argument without merit.

[Aseahawkfan]

Neither you nor I know the degree of tolerance our management has for losing football. But if Jodi Allen and her advisers care even slightly about the success and failure of this franchise, they won't give Pete or anyone a blank check that lasts forever. No owner does. Even if Bill Belichick were to turn in 3-4 five or fewer win seasons, don't think that there wouldn't be pressure for him to resign.

The question was if you gave Pete the go ahead to do what he did, how long would you give him? Imagine you're the owner and you ok the move Pete and John made, how long would you give them to turn it around and do the rebuild?

[Aseahawkfan]

It depends on what was said. Maybe Pete did a great selling job on Jody like he’s done with a lot of fans.
If he told her we don’t need a top QB in his system then she might have said OK. But there might also be some conditions on it like
not much drop off in performance or a time frame for success. With Pete being 71 this year it’s hard to believe it will be a long term plan.

Not as hard for Pete and John to sell an inexperienced owner. I doubt this happens like it did if Paul Allen were still around. I don't think he oks this move at all.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="NorthHawk"]It depends on what was said. Maybe Pete did a great selling job on Jody like he’s done with a lot of fans.
If he told her we don’t need a top QB in his system then she might have said OK. But there might also be some conditions on it like
not much drop off in performance or a time frame for success. With Pete being 71 this year it’s hard to believe it will be a long term plan.

Not as hard for Pete and John to sell an inexperienced owner. I doubt this happens like it did if Paul Allen were still around. I don't think he oks this move at all.

It’s been clearer all the time John is elevated and Pete is subdued . But regarding Russ , again stop . Do you think Jodi Allen is a potted plant ? Would Paul have left her in charge ? Do you think she doesn’t consult with Vulcan ? Is this a sexist attitude here because she’s doing fine by me . What she said in her terse statement was “ we want people who are all in” she may as well have added “ not checked out “. I sensed a seething anger in her words . But make no mistake . Pete is on thin ice . I don’t think he gets 2 years if it’s another losing season . She will can him and John for that matter . Ask the trailblazer brass. It’s one and done if all you doom and gloom people get your way .

[RiverDog]

The question was if you gave Pete the go ahead to do what he did, how long would you give him? Imagine you're the owner and you ok the move Pete and John made, how long would you give them to turn it around and do the rebuild?

If I were the owner, I would have fired Pete two weeks before the end of last season.

But to answer your question, IMO three years would be the amount of time I would allow for a rebuild of an NFL team to show satisfactory results. However, that's assuming that it's a new coach coming into a new environment. As far as it applies to Pete, he or his team are going to have to show me some reason for me to change my mind from the conclusion I reached last December that he needed to go. I am encouraged by how he managed the draft and some of his recent statements about the need for change, but I need to see something tangible on the field in order for me to agree that he deserves more slack than I am willing to give him today.

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I don't want to write Pete a blank check stating that he can name whoever he desires to replace him. Pete has not done a very good job of procuring coaches, and I don't want to limit ourselves only to candidates of his choosing. The Seattle job is one of the more desirable in the league. We would have a very wide field of prospective coaches to choose from.

Besides, we don't know exactly how much pull Pete has with our ownership, if they would even consider such a proposition. If we tank like a lot of people expect, they could lose confidence in him and force him out, in which case they almost certainly wouldn't give his recommendations that much weight.

The other thing to keep in mind is that our next head coach might depend on just what our team looks like at the time the opening occurs. If we draft a great, young quarterback, they may want to bring in as a head coach an offensive mind that could coach him up.

Enough pull to get a popular franchise QB traded and start a rebuild while still remaining head coach.”

We hit a home run with the trade capital? We haven't even hit a single. We won't know the results of this trade for another 3-5 years, if not longer.

IMO it's a reasonable assumption that Jodi Allen was faced with a choice: Pete or Russell. That's what ASF was referring to when he said "pull", that Pete's influence was greater than Russell's. I'm not going so far as to say that's how it came down, but it's not an argument without merit.

There is a clear inference in some of these remarks that Pete WANTED to trade Russ . It wasn’t Russ or Pete . Russ was going without Pete or with him . As Dave Wyman said “ if it’s a rebuild it’s a forced one “. JS is in charge and as a premier talent evaluator I do buy that when the topic came up from Wilson a second off-season in a row he said OK buddy careful what you wish for .

Probably didn’t help that the good Christian boy had Mark Rodgers dropping F bombs on him over the phone . Yeah I know HT shut it . Give it a rest . Pete would never have traded him without being influenced . John ?
I say it’s better for everyone , maybe even Russ though I doubt it . I love the draft . These guys look solid with maybe 4 starters or more . I love Fant . Shelby Harris is overlooked as well and will really shore up our defensive line . Who knows about Lock although we will learn a lot soon !
I feel good . Better all the time .