Mike Holmgren is a Semi Finalist for the HOF

[Hawktawk]

Reid is a great coach . Great . As I recall KC was a doormat when they hired him . He made several playoff appearances with Alex smith and he chose Mahomes and after one year moved away from Smith who was a proven solid if not spectacular qb. He’s made Philly look foolish firing him but of course they fired Doug Peterson 2 years after he won a Super Bowl with them . Reid has been a winning coach for 2 decades . It’s no coincidence Holmgren won with him as OC but when he left Holmgren lost . I always considered him better then Holmgren , even early on .

Me too, but go watch a football life Mike Holmgren. Farve, Young, and Hass, all say he was the best coach they ever played for. He was IMHO, the the best QB developer of the modern era. Montana, Young, and Farve all mentioned him at their HOF speeches. You cannot argue numbers, wins, and stats. Under your logic IF you win a league MVP, your in the Hall, sorry I dont see Spam Newton in the Hall waiting to see if Russ makes it in. Russ's numbers are just too glaring.

I’ll give you 2 words that prove your point about developing QBs. Matt Hasslebeck. Nobody including me would have thought Hass would amount to anything . Benched and had Dilfer not gotten injured he may have stayed there . Instead he became the second best Qb in team history . I’ll give you the QB whisperer point . Worth noting Favre never won another Super Bowl when he left . And despite our massive line Hass averaged over 2 sacks per game for his career . I have Holmgren in . He earned it . Not the greatest but upon reflection damn good .

[Aseahawkfan]

Obviously, they have a shot. I never said they didn't. My point was that Reid had a better shot than either Holmgren or Pete, that he's a legitimate candidate, IMO first ballot.

My reason for bringing up Flores and Cowher was to express my opinion that the Hall is way too liberal as to who they admit to the Hall, both players and coaches. It had nothing to do with any point regarding the Walrus and Pete's chances.

Looking at the list of candidates, I don't think that Holmgren gets in on this try. That was just a semifinalist list, meaning there's two more cut downs to survive before they can put on a gold jacket, and the Hall doesn't admit more than 8 total candidates in any given year. There's 27 names on the "coaches/contributors" list, of which they will pare down to 12 finalists, of which they'll likely just select one or two.

Only clear first ballot is Bill B in my opinion.

Reid gets one more Super Bowl, he's first ballot for sure. But his pure longevity might also do it.

Pete and Holmy might get first ballot. It just depends on who they're against.

Tony Dungy made it too. He has one ring as a coach and one ring as a player.

[RiverDog]

Obviously, they have a shot. I never said they didn't. My point was that Reid had a better shot than either Holmgren or Pete, that he's a legitimate candidate, IMO first ballot.

My reason for bringing up Flores and Cowher was to express my opinion that the Hall is way too liberal as to who they admit to the Hall, both players and coaches. It had nothing to do with any point regarding the Walrus and Pete's chances.

Looking at the list of candidates, I don't think that Holmgren gets in on this try. That was just a semifinalist list, meaning there's two more cut downs to survive before they can put on a gold jacket, and the Hall doesn't admit more than 8 total candidates in any given year. There's 27 names on the "coaches/contributors" list, of which they will pare down to 12 finalists, of which they'll likely just select one or two.

Only clear first ballot is Bill B in my opinion.

Reid gets one more Super Bowl, he's first ballot for sure. But his pure longevity might also do it.

Pete and Holmy might get first ballot. It just depends on who they're against.

Tony Dungy made it too. He has one ring as a coach and one ring as a player.

I don't think there's any way that Reid doesn't get in. His W/L and playoff records are very impressive.

First ballot is considered to be when they are inducted in their first year of eligibility 5 years after they leave the game ala Largent, Big Walt, etc. Holmgren was eligible for induction in 2018, so he's already not a first ballot.

Normally, I'd say that if Pete were to retire today, that he wouldn't get in. But the fact that they admitted Flores means that they've lowered the bar considerably. One of the weakest members in all categories.

Dungy would have been a marginal selection had it not been for the fact that he was the first black coach to have won a SB, but he likely would have gotten in eventually. An argument can be made that he built Tampa Bay's team that Gruden won the SB with. He also gets some credit for implementing the Tampa 2 defense that has been universally adapted.

[obiken]

I don't think there's any way that Reid doesn't get in. His W/L and playoff records are very impressive.

First ballot is considered to be when they are inducted in their first year of eligibility 5 years after they leave the game ala Largent, Big Walt, etc. Holmgren was eligible for induction in 2018, so he's already not a first ballot.

Normally, I'd say that if Pete were to retire today, that he wouldn't get in. But the fact that they admitted Flores means that they've lowered the bar considerably. One of the weakest members in all categories.

Dungy would have been a marginal selection had it not been for the fact that he was the first black coach to have won a SB, but he likely would have gotten in eventually. An argument can be made that he built Tampa Bay's team that Gruden won the SB with. He also gets some credit for implementing the Tampa 2 defense that has been universally adapted.

River, what makes Dick Vermeil a better coach than Holmy? He got in.

[Aseahawkfan]

River, what makes Dick Vermeil a better coach than Holmy? He got in.

That's what I'm talking about too. It's not a very high bar. Pete and Holmy both have some very impressive accomplishments besides just wins and losses.

Holmy developed some incredible QBs.

Pete built one of the best defenses in NFL history, one of the few that truly earned their name. It wasn't just some joke. The Legion of Boom meant something and was a feared and respected defense for a reason.

[RiverDog]

River, what makes Dick Vermeil a better coach than Holmy? He got in.

Dick Vermeil is a classic example of why you don't base HOF candidacy on numbers or statistics alone. If you were judging simply by championships, W/L record, winning percentage, and playoff appearances, Vermeil probably doesn't rise to HOF greatness. But what he did was and is unprecedented.

In 1976, Vermeil took over a Philadelphia Eagles team that was 4-10 the previous season, and without the benefit of a #1 pick in his first three drafts and in the days before free agency, Vermeil had the Eagles in the playoffs in Year 3, the Super Bowl in the 4th. Following a strike shortened season and citing that he was burned out, he retired from coaching, took a 15 year LOA, then in 1997, he returned to build a World Championship team known as "The Greatest Show on Turf". In his first two seasons, the Rams were 5-11 and 4-12. In Year 3, they went 13-3 and won the Super Bowl. Like the Eagles from nearly two decades earlier, he built them from scratch.

Vermeil built two Super Bowl teams from the ground up in two different eras spaced 21 years apart. That's what sets him apart from Holmgren, or for that matter, any other coach. He belongs in the HOF.

[Aseahawkfan]

Dick Vermeil is a classic example of why you don't base HOF candidacy on numbers or statistics alone. If you were judging simply by championships, W/L record, winning percentage, and playoff appearances, Vermeil probably doesn't rise to HOF greatness. But what he did was and is unprecedented.

In 1976, Vermeil took over a Philadelphia Eagles team that was 4-10 the previous season, and without the benefit of a #1 pick in his first three drafts and in the days before free agency, Vermeil had the Eagles in the playoffs in Year 3, the Super Bowl in the 4th. Following a strike shortened season and citing that he was burned out, he retired from coaching, took a 15 year LOA, then in 1997, he returned to build a World Championship team known as "The Greatest Show on Turf". In his first two seasons, the Rams were 5-11 and 4-12. In Year 3, they went 13-3 and won the Super Bowl. Like the Eagles from nearly two decades earlier, he built them from scratch.

Vermeil built two Super Bowl teams from the ground up in two different eras spaced 21 years apart. That's what sets him apart from Holmgren, or for that matter, any other coach. He belongs in the HOF.

I guess. If Vermeil got in, Holmy and Pete got a chance. Pete took a franchise with one Super Bowl appearance and not so many playoff appearances and turned them into an absolute beast of a team that went to back to back Super Bowls with a legendary defense that allowed the fewest points allowed for four straight seasons and b**** slapped the highest scoring offense in NFL history in the Super Bowl. Sounds pretty damn good if I'm trying to sell someone into the Hall of Fame to me.

People seem to forget that Denver scored the most points in NFL hsitory. Peyton Manning threw for 55 Tds and 5477 yards. He had an amazing year. They beat San Diego 24 to 17 and New England 26 to 16 going into the Super Bowl. The Legion of Boom took that historically great offense and allowed 8 points. They crushed them. Then team ran up 43 points.

Vermeil is a good coach. But Holmgren and Pete are no slouches. They have some selling points when that time comes around.

[RiverDog]

Dick Vermeil is a classic example of why you don't base HOF candidacy on numbers or statistics alone. If you were judging simply by championships, W/L record, winning percentage, and playoff appearances, Vermeil probably doesn't rise to HOF greatness. But what he did was and is unprecedented.

In 1976, Vermeil took over a Philadelphia Eagles team that was 4-10 the previous season, and without the benefit of a #1 pick in his first three drafts and in the days before free agency, Vermeil had the Eagles in the playoffs in Year 3, the Super Bowl in the 4th. Following a strike shortened season and citing that he was burned out, he retired from coaching, took a 15 year LOA, then in 1997, he returned to build a World Championship team known as "The Greatest Show on Turf". In his first two seasons, the Rams were 5-11 and 4-12. In Year 3, they went 13-3 and won the Super Bowl. Like the Eagles from nearly two decades earlier, he built them from scratch.

Vermeil built two Super Bowl teams from the ground up in two different eras spaced 21 years apart. That's what sets him apart from Holmgren, or for that matter, any other coach. He belongs in the HOF.

I guess. If Vermeil got in, Holmy and Pete got a chance. Pete took a franchise with one Super Bowl appearance and not so many playoff appearances and turned them into an absolute beast of a team that went to back to back Super Bowls with a legendary defense that allowed the fewest points allowed for four straight seasons and b**** slapped the highest scoring offense in NFL history in the Super Bowl. Sounds pretty damn good if I'm trying to sell someone into the Hall of Fame to me.

People seem to forget that Denver scored the most points in NFL hsitory. Peyton Manning threw for 55 Tds and 5477 yards. He had an amazing year. They beat San Diego 24 to 17 and New England 26 to 16 going into the Super Bowl. The Legion of Boom took that historically great offense and allowed 8 points. They crushed them. Then team ran up 43 points.

Vermeil is a good coach. But Holmgren and Pete are no slouches. They have some selling points when that time comes around.

The last game Mike Holmgren coached was nearly 15 years ago. "His time" is now. The more seasons that pass, the more coaches, like Reid, Tomlin, McCarthy, Pete, and so on, become eligible that he's going to have to compete with. Additionally, there's other non players that coaches have to compete with, ie owners, GM's, broadcasters, etc. As a rule, they don't admit more than two non-players in any given HOF class.

I don't think that Pete's resume has quite enough stink to it for him to get in. IMO he needs to go to at least another conference championship game. But, as I said, if they admit Flores, then anything is possible.

[Old but Slow]

It is difficult to predict who will be blessed. Personally, I hope that Holmgren makes it. A walrus head would adorn the hall.

[Old but Slow]

Hey, that was my 100th post! Does that mean I finally belong?

[c_hawkbob]

Hey, that was my 100th post! Does that mean I finally belong?

Yeah whew, we can finally take you seriously!

[c_hawkbob]

Now he's down to a finalist! https://www.seahawks.com/news/thursday- ... NH4f7-NhdU

[RiverDog]

Good for him. He's still a long shot as they're only going to take a couple names off that list.

[NorthHawk]

Now he's down to a finalist! https://www.seahawks.com/news/thursday- ... NH4f7-NhdU

Good for Mike!
I still don't know how Cowher got in. East Coast bias, I suppose.

[RiverDog]

I still don't know how Cowher got in. East Coast bias, I suppose.

Polaroids of Goodell and a donkey.