Jimmy G to Seattle

[obiken]

Colin cowherd is reporting this morning that Seattle has interest in Jimmy Garoppolo. Not that the 49ers would want to trade him to a division rival but Seattle would be more than willing to give the Niners a second rounder at this point, which is more than anyone else would give up. I think it would be a great deal for them and for us, at least we would get a proven winner, except for the fact he has the injury plague.

[c_hawkbob]

I'd be surprised if we traded for him. It's more our style to wait the Niners out and make a play for him once he's released.

[obiken]

The problem cBob, if your waiting for him to be out right released, then you’re going to get into a bidding war with other teams, and Seattle really doesn’t wanna do that.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't want Jimmie G. I'd rather take a hard season and then draft someone good. There's no point in trading a 2nd and adding however many million to the cap space when the whole point of what we're doing seems to be reducing the cap hit at the QB position to build a better team around a future QB like Pete did when he first arrived.

[Hawktawk]

I don't want Jimmie G. I'd rather take a hard season and then draft someone good. There's no point in trading a 2nd and adding however many million to the cap space when the whole point of what we're doing seems to be reducing the cap hit at the QB position to build a better team around a future QB like Pete did when he first arrived.

Seattles not trading for Jimmy G and if they do they might as well trade DK because Jimmy has never had a big arm and now he’s coming off shoulder surgery . Seattle has 5 guys on the roster capable of taking the top off a defense . What is the point of a guy that can’t get the ball deep ? Pete never wants a guy that can’t throw deep , just not every play .

If we trade and assume a portion of his salary we help them sign Bosa and Samuel . Jimmy
G had 20 TDs and 12 picks last year . Geno had 5 TDs and 1 pick in 13 quarters and can throw it 60 yards in the air . Yeah I know miniature sample but the Geno on the field never existed in his first few stops. Hes a mystery .

Why take a flyer on a limited 30 year old that doesn’t know our roster this close to the season . Lock has the strongest arm in the league quite possibly , 74 completions with Fant already and excelled in the type of system Waldron calls as a rookie with a 4-1 record and a 7-2 TD to int ratio . More recently last year he went 0-3 with 1 TD pass and no picks to end the season . Not inspiring . I’m looking forward to some preseason games to see what’s what .

[obiken]

Seattles not trading for Jimmy G and if they do they might as well trade DK because Jimmy has never had a big arm and now he’s coming off shoulder surgery . Seattle has 5 guys on the roster capable of taking the top off a defense . What is the point of a guy that can’t get the ball deep ? Pete never wants a guy that can’t throw deep , just not every play .

If we trade and assume a portion of his salary we help them sign Bosa and Samuel . Jimmy
G had 20 TDs and 12 picks last year . Geno had 5 TDs and 1 pick in 13 quarters and can throw it 60 yards in the air . Yeah I know miniature sample but the Geno on the field never existed in his first few stops. Hes a mystery .

Why take a flyer on a limited 30 year old that doesn’t know our roster this close to the season . Lock has the strongest arm in the league quite possibly , 74 completions with Fant already and excelled in the type of system Waldron calls as a rookie with a 4-1 record and a 7-2 TD to int ratio . More recently last year he went 0-3 with 1 TD pass and no picks to end the season . Not inspiring . I’m looking forward to some preseason games to see what’s what .

Oh of course not HT, YOU, River, ASHF, etc want to put our future in the hands of Drew Lock, Mayfield lite! We'll look at the numbers folks, numbers do not lie!! Good luck Running with little Drewy!!!
TD–INT: 25–20
Passing yards: 4,740
Completion percentage: 59.3
Passer rating: 79.3
Rushing yards: 285
Rushing touchdowns: 5

[obiken]

OBTW HT, Just for poops and giggles, here are the NUMBERS of the guy you wanted outta dodge!!

Passing attempts: 4,735
Passing completions: 3,079
Completion %: 65.0
Passing yards: 37,059
TD–INT: 292–87
Passer rating: 101.8
Rushing yards: 4,689
Rushing touchdowns: 23

[Hawktawk]

Seattles not trading for Jimmy G and if they do they might as well trade DK because Jimmy has never had a big arm and now he’s coming off shoulder surgery . Seattle has 5 guys on the roster capable of taking the top off a defense . What is the point of a guy that can’t get the ball deep ? Pete never wants a guy that can’t throw deep , just not every play .

If we trade and assume a portion of his salary we help them sign Bosa and Samuel . Jimmy
G had 20 TDs and 12 picks last year . Geno had 5 TDs and 1 pick in 13 quarters and can throw it 60 yards in the air . Yeah I know miniature sample but the Geno on the field never existed in his first few stops. Hes a mystery .

Why take a flyer on a limited 30 year old that doesn’t know our roster this close to the season . Lock has the strongest arm in the league quite possibly , 74 completions with Fant already and excelled in the type of system Waldron calls as a rookie with a 4-1 record and a 7-2 TD to int ratio . More recently last year he went 0-3 with 1 TD pass and no picks to end the season . Not inspiring . I’m looking forward to some preseason games to see what’s what .

Oh of course not HT, YOU, River, ASHF, etc want to put our future in the hands of Drew Lock, Mayfield lite! We'll look at the numbers folks, numbers do not lie!! Good luck Running with little Drewy!!!
TD–INT: 25–20
Passing yards: 4,740
Completion percentage: 59.3
Passer rating: 79.3
Rushing yards: 285
Rushing touchdowns: 5

There’s encouraging news in Locks stats. Rushing yards and TDs as primarily a backup . His stats throwing the ball resemble early Josh Allen as much as his hose arm and big mobile body . Allen went from whispers of a bust to one of the most dominant QBs in the league . It comes down to the coaching staff imo how we do whoever is qb.

It’s not like we “ want “ to hand the team to Geno or Lock . What was the option ? Russ left . Can we stop ? Like Wyman said “ if it’s a rebuild it’s a forced rebuild , I assure you of that . “

They are making the best of a bad situation and carefully considering each move .

I didn’t see Mayfield as much of an improvement . Same size as Wilson , less athletic , less accurate , even worse attitude .

I’ve had it with short guys for a while ok? Nothing against Russ he was one of the greatest short quarterbacks of all time . But he got drafted in the 3rd round and his game made Manzuel, Baker , Kyler etc wealthy first rounders looking for the “ next “ Wilson . There won’t be one . And as short QBs other than Drew Brees age they become less effective , especially scramblers .

I’ve made clear that I believe Geno can be an acceptable starter with 10 win potential this year ASSUMING he plays like last year . Efficient , accurate , protect the ball, show courage in the pocket . Unquestionably a guy completing 68.5% of his passes ( identical to JG) with a 5-1 TD to pick ratio as opposed to the 1.8 TD to int JG had can start and win in this league .


He did it in spite of being sacked 13 times in 13 quarters so maybe not a bad choice behind a young line . He can take a hit and stand in . I still wonder if it will be Lock and if it is I trust Pete . Whatever they did to Geno whether it’s the scheme or whatever , coaching , if they un Lock Lock it’s our QBOTF right now .

I think there will be some pleasantly surprised Seahawks fans on Sept 12 and beyond

[curmudgeon]

Jared Goff…..

[Aseahawkfan]

Oh of course not HT, YOU, River, ASHF, etc want to put our future in the hands of Drew Lock, Mayfield lite! We'll look at the numbers folks, numbers do not lie!! Good luck Running with little Drewy!!!
TD–INT: 25–20
Passing yards: 4,740
Completion percentage: 59.3
Passer rating: 79.3
Rushing yards: 285
Rushing touchdowns: 5

What are you saying man? Let me make my stance quite clear. I do not believe Drew Lock, Geno Smith, or Eason or Jimmie G are the answer. Baker Mayfield might have been an ok QB with Carroll.

Be clear with what I want. I want both Denver and Seattle to have an absolutely abysmal season, like we end up with the 1st and 2nd pick in next years draft in the 1st and 2nd arounds. I want some insanely good Peyton Manning type of QB to be available in the draft and some Aaron Donald or Cortez reborn type of DT in next year's draft. We draft both of them 1 and 2. That is my dream. Then we go on to have another incredible playoff and Super Bowl run for the next ten years.

That's my dream. That dream will not be satisfied with Jimmy G. I know it's not going to happen, but I'd be happier with a couple of a top 10 picks and some quality players on the board.

I don't mind taking a hard year to build an insanely good team. The entire reason the Rams are on top right now is they built up talent taking quite a few hard years. Same with Frisco and Arizona. That is the nature of the NFL for quality teams. Take a few hard years, draft some great talent, develop them, build to a nice 5 to 10 year playoff and Super Bowl run.

So don't put me in the trust our future to Drew Lock camp. About all I give Drew Luck is he at least has some small chance of turning something around simply because I've never seen him play and we have some good weapons at receiver.

But I believe our future QB isn't on the team yet or even in the league. I'm not interested in trading for other team's dregs or also rans when I can just take a down year to take a shot on some rook that may turn out to be amazing.

[obiken]

I apologize, I thought you wanted more like HT. Jimmy is not the answer, I was just advocating him as a bridge QB to get us over the hump. I am sorry. Your way is probably better, tank and then get a good, young, new guy.

[Old but Slow]

I agree. There is no reason to be looking at any quarterback who is in any sense available in the league presently, whether by trade, free agency, blackmail, or fraud. Play this season with the QBs we have, maybe sign an undrafted free agent, and then look to improve the situation in the future. Hopefully near future.

For now, it makes little difference whether Geno or Lock wins the job, but I hope that we get a chance to see what we have in Eason. He could be valuable as a strong backup, which would allow them to dump both Geno and Lock after they draft their shining star. Geno is already 30 and Lock may have some trade value.

[Aseahawkfan]

I apologize, I thought you wanted more like HT. Jimmy is not the answer, I was just advocating him as a bridge QB to get us over the hump. I am sorry. Your way is probably better, tank and then get a good, young, new guy.

You know hawktawk and I don't see eye to eye. He's on some weird trip to prove Russell is the bad guy and Pete and John were absolutely right to trade him and it's going to have some massive positive effect on the team propelling us back into the playoffs and contention. I'm not buying that at all.

What I think really happened is Pete and John sat down and had a talk. Russell wasn't happy here. Pete and John had some real deep conversations about the state of the current team and and their realistic chances of competing. They came to the conclusion that a rebuild like they did when they first arrived would be worth doing. They looked at how to acquire the most quality draft capital possible while satisfying their star QBs desire to move to another team and found a buyer in Denver willing to give up what a franchise QB was worth along with a few other players with potential. So we took the deal. Now Pete and John aren't much interested in trading the draft capital they acquired and want to get back to the team building mode they had when they first arrived so Pete can prove he can do it all over again following his Win Forever model while setting up Clint Hurtt and possibly Sean Desai for a head coaching job with Hurtt possibly being his successor in Seattle.

That's what I think happened. I don't know for sure, but that's what it looks like to me. That's my best guess given all the available information.

I don't think Denver was stupid enough like hawktawk thinks to trade a QB that even has a small possibility of being better than Russell as part of a mega-deal like they did. Denver did their homework. They have a smart GM. They know Russell is a franchise QB with a lot of tread left on the tires who is going to immediately make their team better. They must have felt they had enough star players on offense around Russ so he can step in and be competitive.

I don't think Pete and John believe Geno is the answer for a second, not one second, doesn't even cross their mind. Geno is a backup QB that somewhat knows the offense and can help train the rookie tackles while they learn to play at the NFL level. He's getting paid well to be a stand in and back up that was more valuable here than he would be on the market since he knows our particular offense and has some chemistry with our receivers. Lock is some guy competing that might take Geno's place as the backup once we find "our guy." He's younger than Geno and has some upside without the off the field headaches hopefully.

That's about the state of our team as I see it. A few down years to have 5 to 10 up years if Pete can use the draft capital we have to build a team like he did in those early years. Hopefully he and John are up for it. Win Forever 2.0.

[Hawktawk]

I apologize, I thought you wanted more like HT. Jimmy is not the answer, I was just advocating him as a bridge QB to get us over the hump. I am sorry. Your way is probably better, tank and then get a good, young, new guy.

You know hawktawk and I don't see eye to eye. He's on some weird trip to prove Russell is the bad guy and Pete and John were absolutely right to trade him and it's going to have some massive positive effect on the team propelling us back into the playoffs and contention. I'm not buying that at all.

What I think really happened is Pete and John sat down and had a talk. Russell wasn't happy here. Pete and John had some real deep conversations about the state of the current team and and their realistic chances of competing. They came to the conclusion that a rebuild like they did when they first arrived would be worth doing. They looked at how to acquire the most quality draft capital possible while satisfying their star QBs desire to move to another team and found a buyer in Denver willing to give up what a franchise QB was worth along with a few other players with potential. So we took the deal. Now Pete and John aren't much interested in trading the draft capital they acquired and want to get back to the team building mode they had when they first arrived so Pete can prove he can do it all over again following his Win Forever model while setting up Clint Hurtt and possibly Sean Desai for a head coaching job with Hurtt possibly being his successor in Seattle.

That's what I think happened. I don't know for sure, but that's what it looks like to me. That's my best guess given all the available information.

I don't think Denver was stupid enough like hawktawk thinks to trade a QB that even has a small possibility of being better than Russell as part of a mega-deal like they did. Denver did their homework. They have a smart GM. They know Russell is a franchise QB with a lot of tread left on the tires who is going to immediately make their team better. They must have felt they had enough star players on offense around Russ so he can step in and be competitive.

I don't think Pete and John believe Geno is the answer for a second, not one second, doesn't even cross their mind. Geno is a backup QB that somewhat knows the offense and can help train the rookie tackles while they learn to play at the NFL level. He's getting paid well to be a stand in and back up that was more valuable here than he would be on the market since he knows our particular offense and has some chemistry with our receivers. Lock is some guy competing that might take Geno's place as the backup once we find "our guy." He's younger than Geno and has some upside without the off the field headaches hopefully.

That's about the state of our team as I see it. A few down years to have 5 to 10 up years if Pete can use the draft capital we have to build a team like he did in those early years. Hopefully he and John are up for it. Win Forever 2.0.

If describing Russell’s conduct throughout this trade accurately through my lens and pointing out his seriously Fd up his game is currently is some weird trip fine . As it said before I’m no fan boy pining for someone who left a long time ago , long before the trade . You like getting kicked in the teeth go for it . As for the play worst in the league vs. cover 4 ( rams play it a lot vs him ) throws less between the hashes than anyone which is why he’s seeing so much cover 4. Worst 3rd down completion % in the league most of the last season . Total qbr was the same as Tua despite only being sacked 31 times . 1-3 vs backups . 2-2 vs “ doormats “ Geno was 1-0 btw 31-7 80% completion with ten to Rocket in the first half and apparently the best ball Dk had in the league .

Russ is dead . Denver got what’s left both on and off the field . They didn’t get who we got and had for about 6 years before fame and ego caught up with Russ . A great hawk , but greatly diminished by his late career sideshow humiliating and deserting my team , blaming them for his failures , blaming the coach and gm that made him a star .

I believe it was a huge distraction . I’m glad it’s over . But unlike you I don’t want to tank . I want to win the Super Bowl . All you big fans literally rooting to lose for higher draft picks after another turd Season for the crap shoot of a high draft qb . How are you fans ? I don’t see a drop off in last years bipolar offense at all with 2021 Geno . I have no idea about Lock or Eason who someone else finally mentioned besides me . He’s the biggest strongest shiny object of all. Was it OBS that saud “ Goff” which I’ve made the point over and over this offense got him to a super bowl and Geno is more dynamic and versatile then he is. Better football intelligence too. I don’t think the sky is falling . That’s actually in Denver when the games start counting on Sept 12. I would think one of you great fans would at least throw me a “gee I hope you’re right “! Instead if ragging on me for seeing Russ gone as a good thing and our future as not bleak . But have at it . Someone will be eating some crow . We will see who .

[RiverDog]

I agree. There is no reason to be looking at any quarterback who is in any sense available in the league presently, whether by trade, free agency, blackmail, or fraud. Play this season with the QBs we have, maybe sign an undrafted free agent, and then look to improve the situation in the future. Hopefully near future.

For now, it makes little difference whether Geno or Lock wins the job, but I hope that we get a chance to see what we have in Eason. He could be valuable as a strong backup, which would allow them to dump both Geno and Lock after they draft their shining star. Geno is already 30 and Lock may have some trade value.

Geno will be 32 in October.

I agree with this line of thought. I don't want to see us tank. There's not too many teams that go from worst to first in one season, the Bengals being the first to come close in recent memory. Most teams that tank have names like the Lions, Jets or Jags. I don't want to wait another 6-7 years for a championship quality team. More like two or three years.

Agreed about Eason. I'd like to see him get a shot, at least in the preseason.

[NorthHawk]

Pete wants to win now and forever. The now means Jimmy G. is a serious possibility.
Pete will put this year ahead of a more beneficial outcome down the road with a top draft choice if it means avoiding a real bad losing season.
I halfway expect us to trade for him and give up high draft choices to do so and hammer the Cap in the process thus relegating us to mediocrity for years ahead.

[Hawktawk]

Let’s just see. Pete pulled us out of mediocrity and they hit a great draft on paper

[RiverDog]

Pete wants to win now and forever. The now means Jimmy G. is a serious possibility.
Pete will put this year ahead of a more beneficial outcome down the road with a top draft choice if it means avoiding a real bad losing season.
I halfway expect us to trade for him and give up high draft choices to do so and hammer the Cap in the process thus relegating us to mediocrity for years ahead.

Which is what worries me, that Pete thinks that he has the makings of a championship team and makes another stupid trade.

The other thing that worries me is that we play like we have for the past 7 seasons, play just well enough to create the illusion that we're on the cusp of having a championship team, that we're just one or two players or one or two lucky plays from going to the Super Bowl, when in reality, we're the thirsty cowboy plodding through the desert trying to reach a shimmering lake just a few hundred feet in the distance.

[tarlhawk]

No worries. We don't need Jimmy G./Jarrod Goff/Minshew Gardner or any other QB. Our 2022 season is tough enough (schedule wise) to not make any bold (High Risk) moves as it is. It may not be the toughest schedule of all the teams but it hardly feels like a "reward" schedule typical of a last place finish/losing season.

If we come close to a winning season it will feel like a need to celebrate...still many key things to watch. Our QB play is foremost and whatever magic Andy Dickerson can come up with while coaching our suddenly very young O-line will determine if Shane Waldron can get some recognition league wise for his play calling. Pete's probably going to get a lot of gum chewing in ...since most of our hopes are on potential ...and break out seasons of our 2nd and 3rd year players. Some teams might consider our team as "easy marks" especially after losing our Offensive (RW) and Defensive (Wags) trademarks...but there's a difference between being an underdog and having a loser mentality.

[Hawktawk]

Just read an article on Seahawks wire about the 4 most underrated offensive players on Seattle’s roster . Checking in at 4 GENO. The description of his playing time may has well been written by Hawtawk . It’s pointed out it’s a far cry from anything he ever did before .
3. penny . These guys agree with HT quite a bit . He’s described as potentially one of the elite backs in the league after his monster finish .
#2 Fant . I agree with them . We might gain more with him then Denver gains with a guy with 5 more TDs and 1 less pick than Teddy B. He’s a 6’4” 250 lb guy that runs 4.4 with a huge wingspan .
#1 Lockett . Not sure he’s underrated by anyone but the consensus among talking heads is we won’t be able to complete a forward pass so he will suffer . I’ll point out once more Geno completed 10 to him in 1 half of football but pundits are so lazy .

Anyway I don’t have many kindred souls in the press but I have a few . Not many see ten wins .

[Hawktawk]

No worries. We don't need Jimmy G./Jarrod Goff/Minshew Gardner or any other QB. Our 2022 season is tough enough (schedule wise) to not make any bold (High Risk) moves as it is. It may not be the toughest schedule of all the teams but it hardly feels like a "reward" schedule typical of a last place finish/losing season.

If we come close to a winning season it will feel like a need to celebrate...still many key things to watch. Our QB play is foremost and whatever magic Andy Dickerson can come up with while coaching our suddenly very young O-line will determine if Shane Waldron can get some recognition league wise for his play calling. Pete's probably going to get a lot of gum chewing in ...since most of our hopes are on potential ...and break out seasons of our 2nd and 3rd year players. Some teams might consider our team as "easy marks" especially after losing our Offensive (RW) and Defensive (Wags) trademarks...but there's a difference between being an underdog and having a loser mentality.

A difference between an underdog and a loser mentality . Love it.
Even better a team with a superstar coach and several superstar players legitimately being able to play the disrespect card . Players and coaches able to attend training camp knowing they have an immediate opportunity to tell their doubters to STFU on the biggest stage against the guy who went to a city that knows how to win , players and coaches he can win with . It’s a beautiful gift by the schedule makers but only to Seattle . It’s the last place previous guy wanted to open the season is my guess . So let’s see . I see we’re picked at 5.5 wins, worst line in the league , won’t be able to complete a pass or tackle anyone without Russ and Bobby .
Bring it on .

[TriCitySam]

Guessing this arises from the weekend report that Seattle has “had discussions about Garrapalo”. Which doesn’t mean a lot, they look at a lot of things, and don’t pursue 90%. Could have been a REALLY short conversation. Not a JimmyG fan personally.

[Hawktawk]

Guessing this arises from the weekend report that Seattle has “had discussions about Garrapalo”. Which doesn’t mean a lot, they look at a lot of things, and don’t pursue 90%. Could have been a REALLY short conversation. Not a JimmyG fan personally.

Yeah. Where’s the beef ? It seems Frisco won in spite of him . His record is better then his game . And he’s 30 and hurt .

[Aseahawkfan]

Geno will be 32 in October.

I agree with this line of thought. I don't want to see us tank. There's not too many teams that go from worst to first in one season, the Bengals being the first to come close in recent memory. Most teams that tank have names like the Lions, Jets or Jags. I don't want to wait another 6-7 years for a championship quality team. More like two or three years.

Agreed about Eason. I'd like to see him get a shot, at least in the preseason.

I doubt we actually tank. My dream is a pure pipe dream not bound to happen. But it would sure to be awesome if it did. And if we get the 1st and 2nd pick and got a Peyton Manning and a Tez-reborn, you can bet your ass we would turn around quick.

I figure we'll actually end up 6 yo 8 wins, not sure what Denver will do because I don't how good they actually are nor do I care, and I figure we'll have a top 10 pick and a top 20 at least in the 1st and 2nd round. You can usually find some good talent with that.

I think Pete and John are quite committed to the rebuild. If Pete was like you and Northhawk are implying still seeing a winning team, doubt he lets Bobby or Duane Brown walk. Pete and John are not stupid. They know Russell is far better than Geno or Drew Lock or any of the options out there. He would have just kept Russ if he wanted to win now. Not sure why Pete's suddenly an idiot when he clearly is of the mind to strip things down and start anew. Everything indicates as much including cutting Duane Brown and Bobby and starting rookies and letting them compete. We've seen this before when he first arrived and it's nothing like the trades he made to stay competitive with a mature team.

[Aseahawkfan]

If describing Russell’s conduct throughout this trade accurately through my lens and pointing out his seriously Fd up his game is currently is some weird trip fine . As it said before I’m no fan boy pining for someone who left a long time ago , long before the trade . You like getting kicked in the teeth go for it . As for the play worst in the league vs. cover 4 ( rams play it a lot vs him ) throws less between the hashes than anyone which is why he’s seeing so much cover 4. Worst 3rd down completion % in the league most of the last season . Total qbr was the same as Tua despite only being sacked 31 times . 1-3 vs backups . 2-2 vs “ doormats “ Geno was 1-0 btw 31-7 80% completion with ten to Rocket in the first half and apparently the best ball Dk had in the league .

Russ is dead . Denver got what’s left both on and off the field . They didn’t get who we got and had for about 6 years before fame and ego caught up with Russ . A great hawk , but greatly diminished by his late career sideshow humiliating and deserting my team , blaming them for his failures , blaming the coach and gm that made him a star .

I believe it was a huge distraction . I’m glad it’s over . But unlike you I don’t want to tank . I want to win the Super Bowl . All you big fans literally rooting to lose for higher draft picks after another turd Season for the crap shoot of a high draft qb . How are you fans ? I don’t see a drop off in last years bipolar offense at all with 2021 Geno . I have no idea about Lock or Eason who someone else finally mentioned besides me . He’s the biggest strongest shiny object of all. Was it OBS that saud “ Goff” which I’ve made the point over and over this offense got him to a super bowl and Geno is more dynamic and versatile then he is. Better football intelligence too. I don’t think the sky is falling . That’s actually in Denver when the games start counting on Sept 12. I would think one of you great fans would at least throw me a “gee I hope you’re right “! Instead if ragging on me for seeing Russ gone as a good thing and our future as not bleak . But have at it . Someone will be eating some crow . We will see who .

You're full of it. Pure rubbish.

[obiken]

ASHF

You're full of it. Pure rubbish.[/quote]

He is out to lunch! Denver is going to win atleast 11 games! RW was the model of a Franchise QB and he is just ignoring the numbers AF! I cannot cheer for the Donkey's but I hope Russ does well. PC is done, he is 70, is Tony Robbins on steroids bS was over a long time ago!

[obiken]

ASHF

You're full of it. Pure rubbish.

He is out to lunch! Denver is going to win atleast 11 games! RW was the model of a Franchise QB and he is just ignoring the numbers AF! I cannot cheer for the Donkey's but I hope Russ does well. PC is done, he is 70, his Tony Robbins on steroids bS was over a long time ago!

[Hawktawk]

If describing Russell’s conduct throughout this trade accurately through my lens and pointing out his seriously Fd up his game is currently is some weird trip fine . As it said before I’m no fan boy pining for someone who left a long time ago , long before the trade . You like getting kicked in the teeth go for it . As for the play worst in the league vs. cover 4 ( rams play it a lot vs him ) throws less between the hashes than anyone which is why he’s seeing so much cover 4. Worst 3rd down completion % in the league most of the last season . Total qbr was the same as Tua despite only being sacked 31 times . 1-3 vs backups . 2-2 vs “ doormats “ Geno was 1-0 btw 31-7 80% completion with ten to Rocket in the first half and apparently the best ball Dk had in the league .

Russ is dead . Denver got what’s left both on and off the field . They didn’t get who we got and had for about 6 years before fame and ego caught up with Russ . A great hawk , but greatly diminished by his late career sideshow humiliating and deserting my team , blaming them for his failures , blaming the coach and gm that made him a star .

I believe it was a huge distraction . I’m glad it’s over . But unlike you I don’t want to tank . I want to win the Super Bowl . All you big fans literally rooting to lose for higher draft picks after another turd Season for the crap shoot of a high draft qb . How are you fans ? I don’t see a drop off in last years bipolar offense at all with 2021 Geno . I have no idea about Lock or Eason who someone else finally mentioned besides me . He’s the biggest strongest shiny object of all. Was it OBS that saud “ Goff” which I’ve made the point over and over this offense got him to a super bowl and Geno is more dynamic and versatile then he is. Better football intelligence too. I don’t think the sky is falling . That’s actually in Denver when the games start counting on Sept 12. I would think one of you great fans would at least throw me a “gee I hope you’re right “! Instead if ragging on me for seeing Russ gone as a good thing and our future as not bleak . But have at it . Someone will be eating some crow . We will see who .

You're full of it. Pure rubbish.

You’re a fan boy rooting to lose . Stuff it . I’m entitled to my opinion . See you Sept 12 fanboy

[Hawktawk]

You're full of it. Pure rubbish

He is out to lunch! Denver is going to win atleast 11 games! RW was the model of a Franchise QB and he is just ignoring the numbers AF! I cannot cheer for the Donkey's but I hope Russ does well. PC is done, he is 70, his Tony Robbins on steroids bS was over a long time ago!

Denver’s going 0-1 and Russ is gonna get hit too much Sept 12 then let’s see. And for Asea dispute Russels stats from last year because they are correct . He’s 6-10 in his last 16 starts including an 11-29 141 yard pick 6 stinker coming off a 12-4 year .

So now he’s with a team that has not made the playoffs in 6 years with a guy who has never been a head coach but who is already fielding questions from denver media about Russels star studded itinerary over the summer . There will be no honeymoon in Denver , no reservoir of good will . He wins at least a couple playoff games or he’s toast . It’s pressure like he hasn’t been able to handle for some time now .

Unlike Asea I don’t want to lose but I do care how the greatest ever qb does in Denver . I want the first pick . I’m not a fan boy . Even if I loved him I wouldn’t root for him . As it turned out if he is benched which he will be at some point in the next couple years I will laugh . His best days are behind him . He’s not making the playoffs .

[obiken]

Denver’s going 0-1 and Russ is gonna get hit too much Sept 12 then let’s see. And for Asea dispute Russels stats from last year because they are correct . He’s 6-10 in his last 16 starts including an 11-29 141 yard pick 6 stinker coming off a 12-4 year .

So now he’s with a team that has not made the playoffs in 6 years with a guy who has never been a head coach but who is already fielding questions from denver media about Russels star studded itinerary over the summer . There will be no honeymoon in Denver , no reservoir of good will . He wins at least a couple playoff games or he’s toast . It’s pressure like he hasn’t been able to handle for some time now .

Unlike Asea I don’t want to lose but I do care how the greatest ever qb does in Denver . I want the first pick . I’m not a fan boy . Even if I loved him I wouldn’t root for him . As it turned out if he is benched which he will be at some point in the next couple years I will laugh . His best days are behind him . He’s not making the playoffs .

Our defense was mutt food, our OLine was warmed over garbage, and our RB's were always hurt. Last year forget about it, he was out for 5 weeks and it should have been 8. He has great weapons in Denver, good Running game, and a really good Oline. OBTW one of the best DLines in FB! IF you think that RW will be on the bench in two years, I cant help you. NE just shipped out their #1 draft choice to the Bears, for a 7th rounder! Look how fast things fall apart there, when your Franchise QB leaves! I think after this year if Pete isnt done, he certainly will be the following one. IF we go less than 5 wins, I think he gets the Gold watch and a thank you for your service tag! All you have to do is look at our roster, where are you going to get 10 wins, sorry that is Fantasy Island, and I am not Rourke, or Tattoo!

[Aseahawkfan]

You’re a fan boy rooting to lose . Stuff it . I’m entitled to my opinion . See you Sept 12 fanboy

Is this the best you got? fan boy? Like I'm ashamed to be a fan of the best Seattle QB to ever wear the uniform. A guy who as soon as he gets to Denver sets up a football camp for kids? A guy who took us to two Super Bowls and won one? Who put up the best QB numbers in Seahawks history? A guy who used to spend his offseason paying weekly visits to a children's hospital for dying and sick kids? A guy who married a beautiful girl and adopted her kid she had with another guy as his own? A guy who takes all the insults people throw at him in stride, never insults anyone back, and works hard for what he gets? An under-sized QB no one ever thought would make it in the NFL that proved to be the best QB in an historic NFL QB class with names like Andrew Luck and RG3 that everyone laughed at us for drafting?

Gee, you got me there, buddy. I'm a big time Russell Wilson fan. I guess I should feel bad for rooting for a guy like Russell Wilson. But I don't at all and never will.

You can call me a Russell Wilson fanboy all you want. Paint it on my grave stone. Russell Wilson is one of the best human beings I've ever seen play in the NFL. His character off the field is even more amazing than his play on the field and that is saying something.

So you're damn right I'm a Russell Wilson fanboy. Proud of it. I'd tell any kid to be like Russell Wilson if you want to be great in life. Be that type of man on and off the field, all the time, even when it's hard and some scumbags who got some axe to grind with you are trying to insult you and pretend you are some kind of bad guy.

So you got me there. I'm a Russell Wilson fanboy. Loud and proud. That kid makes me proud he wore a Seattle uniform. When he goes to the Hall of Fame, I hope he goes in a Seattle uniform. He broke a mold making it as big as he did and opened the door for a lot of other QBs. I'm as big a fan of Russell Wilson as any Seahawk to ever wear the uniform.

Even your insults are pathetic like your football analysis.

[govandals]

Pete is as interested in Jimmy G as he was in Baker Mayfield. Jimmy G's success is just a product of Shanahan's creative offense. Exactly like Goff was in LA.

Somewhere on YT is a video showing every Jimmy G pass of 20 yards or more downfield. It's horrible.

[NorthHawk]

It probably won't matter for the next couple of years because whoever is at QB won't have time for deep throws to develop.
It's a learning curve that the rookie OTs have to endure before it gets good.

[Hawktawk]

It probably won't matter for the next couple of years because whoever is at QB won't have time for deep throws to develop.
It's a learning curve that the rookie OTs have to endure before it gets good.

Maybe , maybe not . If we can run we set up play action and subdue the rush . And our tackles are rookies but they are both massive men with huge wingspans both of whom run a sub 4.9 so the learning curve may not be as steep particularly in the run game . I believe the right tackle was the #1 graded right tackle in the draft in the run game and I’ve seen film of Cross dominating in the run game . Penny is potentially elite as is Walker 111. And if whoever is in there has time to throw the skill people are potentially as good as anyone , especially with Fant added . I saw some footage on instagram of Geno throwing with DK in a private workout session . These players are not planning on rolling over . They are moving forward despite the noise about how bad they are going to be .

If nothing else Pete and John have medicine balls . Trade the qb, announce its Geno or Lock , start 2 rookie tackles most likely and proclaim you are competing this year . Maybe big balls no brains .we shall see. I feel good .

[RiverDog]

It probably won't matter for the next couple of years because whoever is at QB won't have time for deep throws to develop.
It's a learning curve that the rookie OTs have to endure before it gets good.

Maybe , maybe not . If we can run we set up play action and subdue the rush . And our tackles are rookies but they are both massive men with huge wingspans both of whom run a sub 4.9 so the learning curve may not be as steep particularly in the run game . I believe the right tackle was the #1 graded right tackle in the draft in the run game and I’ve seen film of Cross dominating in the run game . Penny is potentially elite as is Walker 111. And if whoever is in there has time to throw the skill people are potentially as good as anyone , especially with Fant added . I saw some footage on instagram of Geno throwing with DK in a private workout session . These players are not planning on rolling over . They are moving forward despite the noise about how bad they are going to be.

Don't hold your breath regarding a running game. Both our rookie tackles are from Mike Leach's Air Raid system that does not emphasize a robust running attack, plus we don't know how good of a blocker Fant is. Plus Penny's health is a real question mark as is how well his rookie backup translates to the next level. Neither Penny or Walker are very good blocking backs.

It's going to be an interesting season simply because we're turning the page on a new era, but seldom do new eras start out with a bang.

[Hawktawk]

It probably won't matter for the next couple of years because whoever is at QB won't have time for deep throws to develop.
It's a learning curve that the rookie OTs have to endure before it gets good.

Maybe , maybe not . If we can run we set up play action and subdue the rush . And our tackles are rookies but they are both massive men with huge wingspans both of whom run a sub 4.9 so the learning curve may not be as steep particularly in the run game . I believe the right tackle was the #1 graded right tackle in the draft in the run game and I’ve seen film of Cross dominating in the run game . Penny is potentially elite as is Walker 111. And if whoever is in there has time to throw the skill people are potentially as good as anyone , especially with Fant added . I saw some footage on instagram of Geno throwing with DK in a private workout session . These players are not planning on rolling over . They are moving forward despite the noise about how bad they are going to be.

Don't hold your breath regarding a running game. Both our rookie tackles are from Mike Leach's Air Raid system that does not emphasize a robust running attack, plus we don't know how good of a blocker Fant is. Plus Penny's health is a real question mark as is how well his rookie backup translates to the next level. Neither Penny or Walker are very good blocking backs.

It's going to be an interesting season simply because we're turning the page on a new era, but seldom do new eras start out with a bang.

unless I am mistaken Lucas was the # 2 rated right tackle in the run game regardless of what system he was in . Superior athletes which described both these men , rare measurables in both bookends can offset a lack of experience . And keep in mind Duane Brown is unemployed along with several Seahawks castoffs so the roster might actually be improved through the draft and FA over a 7-10 team that went 0-5 in 3 point or less games . This reload is going to start with a bang . Don’t sleep on my disrespected motivated Hawks . GO HAWKS!!!!

[NorthHawk]

Measureables are great, but the rookies have never, ever faced Pro Bowl and All Pro caliber players who excel in power, speed, quickness, explosion, and technique like they will face this year.
Coming from the Air Raid Offense, Cross will have the worst time I would expect because Lucas was in an Offense that ran the ball about 44% of the time. But neither had the chance to play
in a pro style Offense. Most players have a problem adjusting to the NFL, and our OT's will be severely tested every play every week.
It will be a good experience for them if they don't lose their confidence or get pulled too early and next year they should be much better. Or they will wash out.

[Hawktawk]

Measureables are great, but the rookies have never, ever faced Pro Bowl and All Pro caliber players who excel in power, speed, quickness, explosion, and technique like they will face this year.
Coming from the Air Raid Offense, Cross will have the worst time I would expect because Lucas was in an Offense that ran the ball about 44% of the time. But neither had the chance to play
in a pro style Offense. Most players have a problem adjusting to the NFL, and our OT's will be severely tested every play every week.
It will be a good experience for them if they don't lose their confidence or get pulled too early and next year they should be much better. Or they will wash out.

Almost every D1 player has faced someone who is a pro caliber athlete on the other side of the ball at some point . Cross wouldn’t have gone where he did in the draft if the consensus was not that he could handle it . He was the # 1 rated pass block LT and imo the job of that guy is to protect the qb blindside first of all . 330 lbs , 6.7 runs .4.9 it might be some of the defenses begging for mercy sooner then later . But like Knox told the Boz “ it’s like playing Nebraska every week . Only old guys even get the joke .

[RiverDog]

Don't hold your breath regarding a running game. Both our rookie tackles are from Mike Leach's Air Raid system that does not emphasize a robust running attack, plus we don't know how good of a blocker Fant is. Plus Penny's health is a real question mark as is how well his rookie backup translates to the next level. Neither Penny or Walker are very good blocking backs.

It's going to be an interesting season simply because we're turning the page on a new era, but seldom do new eras start out with a bang.

unless I am mistaken Lucas was the # 2 rated right tackle in the run game regardless of what system he was in . Superior athletes which described both these men , rare measurables in both bookends can offset a lack of experience . And keep in mind Duane Brown is unemployed along with several Seahawks castoffs so the roster might actually be improved through the draft and FA over a 7-10 team that went 0-5 in 3 point or less games . This reload is going to start with a bang . Don’t sleep on my disrespected motivated Hawks . GO HAWKS!!!!

There's a reason why our Hawks are disrespected.

Here's what Walter Football had to say about Lucas:

Strengths:

Good pass protector
Makes it tough for rushers to get around him
Quality height, weight
Quickness
Good enough feet to block on the edge
Agile
Durable
Sustains blocks well

Weaknesses:

Not an elite athlete
Lacks strength
Lacks power
Short arms for a tackle - 33.63 inches
Could struggle to generate a push in the NFL
Will sometimes bend at the waist
Might be limited to right tackle

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2022alucas.php

That's a mixed bag at best. While it does say that Lucas is good at sustaining blocks, they immediately contradict themselves by saying that he "could struggle to generate push, lacks strength/power, and is not an 'elite' athlete."

So like I said, don't count on these tackles blocking like bulldozers right from the get go. You're making a huge assumption in thinking that we're going to have a decent running game.

[Aseahawkfan]

Gee, another requirement of a good season is the rookie tackles have to come out of the gate playing like seasoned pros even though they both come from air raid offenses focused on passing attacks. Somehow these guys who don't do much run blocking are supposed to blow open holes for Penny and the RBs starting from the first game because that's an entirely realistic viewpoint because rookie tackles always come into the league playing like seasoned pros against NFL defensive lines and LBs with new starting QBs. Not even sure anyone ever concerns themselves that rookie tackles might have a tough start because they all have an easy transition. It's normal for rookie tackles that don't do a lot of run blocking to suddenly play like seasoned pros in their first season.

SuPerbbowl here we come!