Mayfield

[Hawktawk]

Not sure about lock or Eason but Geno can play just fine if he’s 13 quarter Geno . Pete didn’t trade for mayfield and he won’t for Jimmy G or Darnold either because he believes he can win with who he has . He has no intention of tanking the year after a forced trade of Wilson , getting blamed for everything and fired , tarnishing his legacy . Pete and John plan to win and they have the pieces to do it .

[RiverDog]

How much could they have upgraded the QB position in all reality? The players available wouldn’t have
improved the team much this year and they would have had to give up some serious Cap space and future talent.

It depends on your point of view, but I think it's pretty obvious that both Mayfield and Jimmy G would have been a significant upgrade. Mayfield had an outstanding 2020 season and Garoppolo has led his team to the NFCCG two out of the past 3 seasons. However, neither one of them are a top 10, franchise-type QB.

That being said, if our QBs struggle it won’t surprise me if Pete panics and blows future drafts to stop the bleeding this year on a slight upgrade, all in the aim to avoid a poor record. Short term fixes at the expense of long term success.

If the QB's struggle, it's likely that we'll have a bad W/L record and our chances of going deep in the playoffs remote. If that's the situation, I'd rather just gut it out and fix the position next season.

[NorthHawk]

I'd rather that we just take our lumps, too and let the young players develop, but I don't think that would ever enter Pete's mind.
It's all this Win Forever stuff (which includes winning today).

[RiverDog]

I'd rather that we just take our lumps, too and let the young players develop, but I don't think that would ever enter Pete's mind.
It's all this Win Forever stuff (which includes winning today).

Yeah, we'll see if "Win Forever" is truly a philosophy that Pete follows to the letter or if it's just a buzz word he uses to sell books. So far, it looks like he's beginning to accept the fact that we're not a contender, and that the wise course of action is to develop our younger talent and conserve the draft capital. Normally, he's trading draft choices and looking for opportunities to make a short term upgrade (see Brown, Clowney, Adams, et al) to get him over the hump. We haven't done any of that so far.

[NorthHawk]

Yeah, we'll see if "Win Forever" is truly a philosophy that Pete follows to the letter or if it's just a buzz word he uses to sell books. So far, it looks like he's beginning to accept the fact that we're not a contender, and that the wise course of action is to develop our younger talent and conserve the draft capital. Normally, he's trading draft choices and looking for opportunities to make a short term upgrade (see Brown, Clowney, Adams, et al) to get him over the hump. We haven't done any of that so far.

The other possibility is Pete plays the backups more than the draft picks and they don't get the needed playing time to properly develop.

I was looking at the Cap numbers and even though Shelby Harris restructured his contract and freed up space, we now only have around $15M with a couple of draft picks yet to sign.
I'm hoping we aren't squandering that space by overpaying backups like we did with Irvin, Mayowa, Ogbuehi, and some others the last few years where we paid them
2 to 3 times what they got paid the previous year. And it makes me wonder if some of these contracts will follow into next year's Cap and decrease it accordingly. We also still have
to re-sign DK and the WR market is climbing at a high rate. The last rumor I heard was he wanted to be paid less than Deebo Samuel, but more than the rest. We're probably looking
at spending $26 to $28M/year for him although the Cap hit might not reflect that. I hope it's not another Frank Clark situation where they waited for the market to settle then thought
the cost was too much so they traded him away.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, we'll see if "Win Forever" is truly a philosophy that Pete follows to the letter or if it's just a buzz word he uses to sell books. So far, it looks like he's beginning to accept the fact that we're not a contender, and that the wise course of action is to develop our younger talent and conserve the draft capital. Normally, he's trading draft choices and looking for opportunities to make a short term upgrade (see Brown, Clowney, Adams, et al) to get him over the hump. We haven't done any of that so far.

The other possibility is Pete plays the backups more than the draft picks and they don't get the needed playing time to properly develop.

I was looking at the Cap numbers and even though Shelby Harris restructured his contract and freed up space, we now only have around $15M with a couple of draft picks yet to sign.
I'm hoping we aren't squandering that space by overpaying backups like we did with Irvin, Mayowa, Ogbuehi, and some others the last few years where we paid them
2 to 3 times what they got paid the previous year. And it makes me wonder if some of these contracts will follow into next year's Cap and decrease it accordingly. We also still have
to re-sign DK and the WR market is climbing at a high rate. The last rumor I heard was he wanted to be paid less than Deebo Samuel, but more than the rest. We're probably looking
at spending $26 to $28M/year for him although the Cap hit might not reflect that. I hope it's not another Frank Clark situation where they waited for the market to settle then thought
the cost was too much so they traded him away.

My position on Metcalf hasn't changed: Trade him. We're in a rebuilding process, and you build around offensive and defensive lines, not wide receivers. Besides, good wide receivers are a dime a dozen, and we're already paying Lockett big bucks. The optimum time would have been before the last draft, but we could still get a big haul for him.

[Hawktawk]

We’re not rebuilding . We are reloading . It will be fun watching people in the media and social media trying to say they saw it all along . It’s the biggest sleeper team in the league .

And sign DK. Wide receivers may be a dime a dozen but none are anywhere near DKs package of power and size and speed .

Assuming the qb is Geno his connection with DK was insane . Amortized over a 17 game schedule it would account for around 20 TDs and 1500 yards to DK alone . Lots of ifs and buts however the stats didn’t lie . If the Hawks want to win now they must have Dk. And they want to win and will win . You bummer people keep predicting doom and gloom all you want . You will cheer up starting Sept 12 .

[RiverDog]

We’re not rebuilding . We are reloading.

You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want.

If Pete doesn't make any moves to upgrade the quarterback position between now and September despite a couple of viable alternatives, then IMO we're rebuilding. As Mack noted, this is a situation very similar to 2011, when we let Hass go and went with Tavaris Jackson and Clip Board Jesus, then in the following season, jettisoned TJack and CBJ, signed the top FA QB in Matt Flynn, and drafted Russell Wilson.

And rebuilding is fine with me. I'm tired of this perpetual mediocrity that we've seen for the past 7 seasons.

[Hawktawk]

Sure a lot of fans hung up on TJack from 11 years ago . I dare say Geno has more tools than Jackson . Jackson was a good athlete but dumb as a box of rocks from a standpoint of situational football . Kj has endorsed Geno . Lockett says he is” excited for a fresh start “. I think in the McVeigh Waldron offense you just don’t need a “ franchise “ qb. You need a guy that does as he’s told and isn’t afraid to grip it and rip it . That describes 2021 Geno to a t. It’s also Locks game and what I’ve heard Eason as well . Regardless Wilson played like a middle of the pack hack most of the last season so it isn’t like we are replacing what we would have been a couple years ago . Denver will find it out soon enough . We will be better on offense week in and week out than last year no matter who is the qb . We are reloading . We are lurking . Dangerous . Pissed off at all the slander . Gonna open up a can on the league .

[trents]

"Reloading" applies only to elite programs. That we are no longer and haven't been for a few years. It's hard for me to imagine "reloading" is even applicable in the NFL with the "parity" emphasis in how the draft is constructed. Elite college programs can legitimately be "reloaders" because every year they have the pick of the litter when it comes to recruiting.

[Aseahawkfan]

This looks the same as when Pete arrived. He's doing the same things to build an elite team he did when he first got there. That worked spectacularly the first time and I hope it works again. Pete back at his roots building a team through relentless competition. He traded away his best piece to acquire talent and draft picks to build a new super team. I hope it works.

[tarlhawk]

We are better off "losing" out on the Mayfield sweepstakes...he's had much better starts than Drew Lock but both have similar upside/ceiling. Cleveland gave Baker a better supporting cast and coaching confidence than Drew got in Denver...so Baker had a much higher floor because of that QB magic called confidence.

NFL defences will tear apart any QB who doesn't have mental toughness and the confidence to "put away" a bad game...even a bad season. Russell shrugged off bad plays...making it possible to rally the team to win a nail biter...pure leadership born of confidence. Russell benefited having a coach who shared in his drive to win.

Drew has plus skills and needs to recapture his confidence/cockiness through good coaching...his Denver coaching had him in the doghouse when he suffered through his 2020 season and got played as a "dud" not a stud. The NFL is filled to the gills with alpha males who will try to get into the head of any guys who fail to exude a tough skin.

As for those who propose DK is better off being traded...that elite receivers are there for the taking. The rarity is having two elite yet different WRs . Tyler is plain dangerous with single coverage ...yet most teams are willing to roll the dice by giving DK most of the attention due to his physical mismatch in contested catches. If you need any more proof of Tyler's elusive skills...he frustrates his coverage matchups often drawing flags almost every game. DK is valuable even when he's not the primary WR because the respect he draws makes opponents think Tyler is the "lesser" threat.

[Aseahawkfan]

We are better off "losing" out on the Mayfield sweepstakes...he's had much better starts than Drew Lock but both have similar upside/ceiling. Cleveland gave Baker a better supporting cast and coaching confidence than Drew got in Denver...so Baker had a much higher floor because of that QB magic called confidence.

NFL defences will tear apart any QB who doesn't have mental toughness and the confidence to "put away" a bad game...even a bad season. Russell shrugged off bad plays...making it possible to rally the team to win a nail biter...pure leadership born of confidence. Russell benefited having a coach who shared in his drive to win.

Drew has plus skills and needs to recapture his confidence/cockiness through good coaching...his Denver coaching had him in the doghouse when he suffered through his 2020 season and got played as a "dud" not a stud. The NFL is filled to the gills with alpha males who will try to get into the head of any guys who fail to exude a tough skin.

As for those who propose DK is better off being traded...that elite receivers are there for the taking. The rarity is having two elite yet different WRs . Tyler is plain dangerous with single coverage ...yet most teams are willing to roll the dice by giving DK most of the attention due to his physical mismatch in contested catches. If you need any more proof of Tyler's elusive skills...he frustrates his coverage matchups often drawing flags almost every game. DK is valuable even when he's not the primary WR because the respect he draws makes opponents think Tyler is the "lesser" threat.

Be nice to see an extension before camp. This is the last year of his contract. He an unrestricted FA after this year. We would have to use tags to keep him. Players don't like playing without a contract in their last year. Super risky if he gets hurt with no extension.

[RiverDog]

As for those who propose DK is better off being traded...that elite receivers are there for the taking.

Who said that 'elite' wide receivers are there for the taking? It wasn't me. What I said was, and I'll quote directly, that "good wide receivers are a dime a dozen." How in the heck did you interpreted 'good' as 'elite'?

You don't build a team around an 'elite' wide receiver. That was the Detroit Lions model for success when they built around Megatron.

[tarlhawk]

We have the makings of an elite offense...saying good receivers are a dime a dozen has the intent that we can "afford" to trade DK...and my point regardless of your actual words are "no we can't". We could not afford our current offense with the luxury of an established elite QB (RW) to make our offense complete...but with RW gone you now rely on a sum of play makers and a QB who can "dish" it to them in space ...in an offense schemed to display many "weapons" ...and most of them are very sharp! Go Hawks

[NorthHawk]

If we re-sign DK to a long term contract, a couple of things hamper his ability to produce for the next
couple of years,
The first being he does his best work on deep routes which take time but our OTs won’t round into form for a couple of years,
and the second is the QBs being consistently accurate on those throws. If we draft a good QB next year he will take a couple
of years to grow into the role. So that means we will have effectively wasted 3 years of a $26-28M per year contract.
So is that the best use of Cap space? I don’t think it is as Colleges are producing top WRs who are ready to play in the NFL
at a high rate. So if we traded him and picked up a top WR along with a top QB we could have 2 or 3 years on rookie contracts.
Or we keep DK and get only about 75% of the productivity he might otherwise have and take a big Cap hit.

[Hawktawk]

"Reloading" applies only to elite programs. That we are no longer and haven't been for a few years. It's hard for me to imagine "reloading" is even applicable in the NFL with the "parity" emphasis in how the draft is constructed. Elite college programs can legitimately be "reloaders" because every year they have the pick of the litter when it comes to recruiting.

We were 12 - 4 a year ago . Call it what you want . Rebuild reboot regurgitate . I don’t care . There’s a ton of talent on this team and a lot of proud men who have been here for years , played with Jesus Christ incarnate who left because they weren’t good enough for him to win who chose to stay . This is a team that can be very dangerous if it clicks . Lots of ifs . I’m betting on them. Seattle will be no cellar dweller . They will be one of the youngest most dynamic teams in the league .

[Aseahawkfan]

If we re-sign DK to a long term contract, a couple of things hamper his ability to produce for the next
couple of years,
The first being he does his best work on deep routes which take time but our OTs won’t round into form for a couple of years,
and the second is the QBs being consistently accurate on those throws. If we draft a good QB next year he will take a couple
of years to grow into the role. So that means we will have effectively wasted 3 years of a $26-28M per year contract.
So is that the best use of Cap space? I don’t think it is as Colleges are producing top WRs who are ready to play in the NFL
at a high rate. So if we traded him and picked up a top WR along with a top QB we could have 2 or 3 years on rookie contracts.
Or we keep DK and get only about 75% of the productivity he might otherwise have and take a big Cap hit.

It seems weird that the team would let DK reach the last year of his contract and then have to franchise tag him to keep him because we've seen what happens when you use another type of tag. We'll see what DK does, but hopefully there is a lot of work being done to extend him. Otherwise DK going to be having that on his mind during the season. That kind of mental stress worrying about getting hurt in a contract year not real fun.

[RiverDog]

We have the makings of an elite offense...saying good receivers are a dime a dozen has the intent that we can "afford" to trade DK...and my point regardless of your actual words are "no we can't". We could not afford our current offense with the luxury of an established elite QB (RW) to make our offense complete...but with RW gone you now rely on a sum of play makers and a QB who can "dish" it to them in space ...in an offense schemed to display many "weapons" ...and most of them are very sharp! Go Hawks

We have the makings of an elite offense? You mean with Geno or Lock at the helm? If that's the case, then every team in the league has the makings for an elite offense.

You're reading words into my mouth when you tell me what my intent in saying them was. As I tried to state, an 'elite' wide receiver is not a necessary ingredient when building a championship team. And to your point claiming that we can't afford to trade Metcalf, I say nonsense. Many, many teams have built Super Bowl champions without elite WR's as their centerpiece, our own Seahawks being a prime example...unless you want to consider Doug Baldwin and Jermaine Kearse 'elite.' As a matter of fact, you'd be hard pressed to show one example of a championship team being built around a top 5 WR. The Patriots? Julian Edelmann? Wes Welker? Gimme a break!

[RiverDog]

Back to the OP.

I saw this statement on social media that I thought was hilarious:

The Browns will pay Baker Mayfield $588,235 in Week 1 to try to beat the Browns. The QB they signed to replace him will be suspended.

[tarlhawk]

We have the makings of an elite offense? You mean with Geno or Lock at the helm? If that's the case, then every team in the league has the makings for an elite offense.

I misquote your intent yet you laugh when I refer to our team having a rare blend of elite play makers...I specifically stated we couldn't afford our elite potential with an established QB like RW to make my "elite" comment complete...the price in cap room would not permit it. For the price we are paying for Geno/Lock you can't get "proven" talent...what I did say was an "elite" offense needed a QB who can get the ball to our gifted play makers in space.

Geno and Lock throw all their passes with zip and effortless ability...DK/Lockett/Fant quickly get separation and need throws that get the ball to them in a hurry to maintain their separation advantage making their catches less contested...if you watch film on either of our current QB you can see fast delivery to an open receiver...a "gunslinger" QB can throw "cross body" from far hash line to opposite sideline with zip on the ball...not a floater. Many of Drew's interceptions were contested catches because Denver receivers (while good)...seldom got the separation we are blessed to see on a regular basis from our own WRs...with the exception of Noah Fant in Denver who was Lock's favorite target.

If any of these three players (Dee Eskridge/Colby Parkinson/Bo Melton) have breakout seasons you will see higher QB completions and less interceptions because it will look like the other team has "blown" coverage. Our RB/WR/TE are very explosive and can quickly "overload" a defense if our O-Line can sustain their blocks on pass pro and seal block the rushing lanes during our running plays. You combine gifted talent with solid coaching and the results are only limited by effort...and that is where Pete Carroll delivers...he knows how to motivate! Go Hawks

[NorthHawk]

Who cares if the QBs can throw the ball with zip.
Can they throw balls that are on target and on time? So far neither QB has shown the ability to be both over the longer term.
If they don't change that dynamic it will mean more turnovers which usually means trying to come from behind which means more throws and turnovers.
In 2 years if the OT's pan out then maybe they will have a chance to improve, but Pete has never shown patience with players that turn the ball over and
getting immediate pressure off the edges will be the norm if the rookies play a lot. They might have to turn Fant into a blocking TE just to keep the
QBs upright and that would mean more Peteball and less Waldron influence.

[tarlhawk]

Well you're entitled to your negative opinion...I'm not a "told you so" kinda guy so we'll enjoy our two expectations and maybe reflect on this half full glass after the 2022 season. I'll admit my view is purely based on potential and the limited film I've seen ...but I can list just as much reasons to be hopeful as you can insist with "reality" doom.

Our dual TE alignment can support our rookie tackle growth (if needed)...we're not forced to rely on our TE for target options...but if and when our tackles need less "help" then we have a dynamic group of TE's to make nightmares for our opponent's LB and Safeties. You ridicule "zip" on a pass but that is what makes a "narrow window" into an accurate catch and a "blown coverage" appearance into an "easy" score. The NFL has given a decided edge to the Offense...at the expense of the best defences. We have the weapons and Offensive Coordinator (Waldron) to take full advantage. Do our QB have the mental moxie to "deliver"?

[NorthHawk]

Every QB that makes it to the NFL can put some zip on the ball.
However you don't need a cannon which was implied in your post.
Just look at Joe Montana. His arm strength was adequate, but never considered superior, but his accuracy and timing was epic. And the last two are critical for good QB play.

Dual TE's can work if Fant can block and that's up for debate at this time. The other option is to put one of the extra Tackles at TE which then limits the passing game and
would probably force us to go back to Peteball and at the very least limit Waldron's influence on the Offense.

[Hawktawk]

Who cares if the QBs can throw the ball with zip.
Can they throw balls that are on target and on time? So far neither QB has shown the ability to be both over the longer term.
If they don't change that dynamic it will mean more turnovers which usually means trying to come from behind which means more throws and turnovers.
In 2 years if the OT's pan out then maybe they will have a chance to improve, but Pete has never shown patience with players that turn the ball over and
getting immediate pressure off the edges will be the norm if the rookies play a lot. They might have to turn Fant into a blocking TE just to keep the
QBs upright and that would mean more Peteball and less Waldron influence.

If Geno starts and shows similar form to last year , 700 passing yards , 5 TDs to 1 pick , 68.5 % completion , 17-21 targeting DK for 4 TDs , 251 yards and a passer rating of 151.5. 10 completions to Lockett in the FIRST HALF of JAx , many in NFL open windows between the hash marks , 98 yard drive in his first real action in 5 years , put up more points in 1 quarter than Russ in 3 . Only 7 points less than Russ in 7 quarters vs the world champs . DK had 2 of his 3 biggest games of the year in Genos starts .
KJ wholeheartedly endorsed Geno . Would someone respond to inconvenient facts like this ? Is KJ an idiot ? Does he know anything the people on this forum don’t having been a teammate and faced him in practice for 2 years ?

Those who say Tari and are I all wet are basing their gloom and doom on statistics compiled in other places , in Genos case 10 years ago . Saying 13 quarters against 3 very good defenses was a fluke.

Lock has a similar game . If either the Seahawks staff or the offense when properly run can improve Lock 10% in his accuracy and cut his picks from damn near 1-1 to the 5-1 TD to pick ratio Geno had ( no picks in 3 starts ) playing 3 great defenses and toying with the one bad one that held Josh Allen to 6 the following week , yeah if Geno is 2021 or Lock is that good we won’t maybe have a dynamic explosive offense . We WILL.

[NorthHawk]

If Geno starts and shows similar form to last year

If, If, If.
You're basing all of your expectations on hope.
His history shows that he can't sustain good QB play over time and Pete has shown that he won't play players who turn the ball over. Lock didn't protect the ball very well last year either.
That means the Offense will get reined in and simplified thus nullifying Fant, DK, Lockett, and Eskridge.
And that's just QB play. The rookie OTs are going to make mistakes and at times will look overmatched. With the DE's and OLBs we are going to face this year it's going to happen and that's pretty much a certainty.
In the long haul it will be a good experience for those OTs unless Pete decides he'd rather sit them and let the backups (with only 1 year experience) play. But they are then going against a continuous stream of Pro
Bowl and All Pro caliber DEs/OLBs. Not a favorable matchup for us in either case.
That's not negativity, rather it's simply looking at the facts and making a logical deduction from them.

[Aseahawkfan]

If Geno starts and shows similar form to last year , 700 passing yards , 5 TDs to 1 pick , 68.5 % completion , 17-21 targeting DK for 4 TDs , 251 yards and a passer rating of 151.5. 10 completions to Lockett in the FIRST HALF of JAx , many in NFL open windows between the hash marks , 98 yard drive in his first real action in 5 years , put up more points in 1 quarter than Russ in 3 . Only 7 points less than Russ in 7 quarters vs the world champs . DK had 2 of his 3 biggest games of the year in Genos starts .
KJ wholeheartedly endorsed Geno . Would someone respond to inconvenient facts like this ? Is KJ an idiot ? Does he know anything the people on this forum don’t having been a teammate and faced him in practice for 2 years ?

Those who say Tari and are I all wet are basing their gloom and doom on statistics compiled in other places , in Genos case 10 years ago . Saying 13 quarters against 3 very good defenses was a fluke.

Lock has a similar game . If either the Seahawks staff or the offense when properly run can improve Lock 10% in his accuracy and cut his picks from damn near 1-1 to the 5-1 TD to pick ratio Geno had ( no picks in 3 starts ) playing 3 great defenses and toying with the one bad one that held Josh Allen to 6 the following week , yeah if Geno is 2021 or Lock is that good we won’t maybe have a dynamic explosive offense . We WILL.

Geno went 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 if you include the two quarters of the Rams game as you are doing in his stats. The part you leave out is Geno was running a pared down offense and Pete and the OC did not feel comfortable having Geno throw much. They had him throw high percentage passes and be very careful when throwing the ball because they know if Geno tries to unleash, he's gonna throw picks.

Sometimes you gottta throw a lot to win or have a chance to win. If Geno does that, he will end up turning the ball over.

That is the fear.

We've seen you post those stats a thousand times always forgetting the 1-2 win-loss record or 1-3 including half of the Rams game. Geno played as well as he ever has in his career and he lost to every team but one of the worst in the league in Jacksonville. This game is about winning games. Until we see Geno lead some game winning drives or at least hold a lead trading TDs and drives for FGs as needed, no one will have much confidence.

[Hawktawk]

If Geno starts and shows similar form to last year , 700 passing yards , 5 TDs to 1 pick , 68.5 % completion , 17-21 targeting DK for 4 TDs , 251 yards and a passer rating of 151.5. 10 completions to Lockett in the FIRST HALF of JAx , many in NFL open windows between the hash marks , 98 yard drive in his first real action in 5 years , put up more points in 1 quarter than Russ in 3 . Only 7 points less than Russ in 7 quarters vs the world champs . DK had 2 of his 3 biggest games of the year in Genos starts .
KJ wholeheartedly endorsed Geno . Would someone respond to inconvenient facts like this ? Is KJ an idiot ? Does he know anything the people on this forum don’t having been a teammate and faced him in practice for 2 years ?

Those who say Tari and are I all wet are basing their gloom and doom on statistics compiled in other places , in Genos case 10 years ago . Saying 13 quarters against 3 very good defenses was a fluke.

Lock has a similar game . If either the Seahawks staff or the offense when properly run can improve Lock 10% in his accuracy and cut his picks from damn near 1-1 to the 5-1 TD to pick ratio Geno had ( no picks in 3 starts ) playing 3 great defenses and toying with the one bad one that held Josh Allen to 6 the following week , yeah if Geno is 2021 or Lock is that good we won’t maybe have a dynamic explosive offense . We WILL.

Geno went 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 if you include the two quarters of the Rams game as you are doing in his stats. The part you leave out is Geno was running a pared down offense and Pete and the OC did not feel comfortable having Geno throw much. They had him throw high percentage passes and be very careful when throwing the ball because they know if Geno tries to unleash, he's gonna throw picks.

Sometimes you gottta throw a lot to win or have a chance to win. If Geno does that, he will end up turning the ball over.

That is the fear.

We've seen you post those stats a thousand times always forgetting the 1-2 win-loss record or 1-3 including half of the Rams game. Geno played as well as he ever has in his career and he lost to every team but one of the worst in the league in Jacksonville. This game is about winning games. Until we see Geno lead some game winning drives or at least hold a lead trading TDs and drives for FGs as needed, no one will have much confidence.

Geno had 13 quarters . He had 1 quarter vs the world champs , not 2. Russ had 17 points in 7 quarters . Geno 10 points , 131 yards , a 98 yards surgical drive , 23 yards rushing on 3 carries.
His first start was on the road in prime time vs the team that led the league in sacks . Sacked 5 times hit numerous other times, 3 tipped balls still 72 % completion % 102 qb rating , completed balls to TEN RECEIVERS!!! . Completed the only 2 minute game end drive of the year to get into overtime . It was our only game ending drive of the year . Russ was 0-3 . Yea he didn’t win . Or the saints against who he drove the team into position for 16 points but Meyers went 0-2 in a 13-10 loss . 2 weeks later the saints SHUT OUT Tom Brady . Their defense gave up 17 ppg despite no quarterback .

A week after Geno led a complete team effort in pounding Jacksonville they beat Buffalo 9-6.nobody ever responds to this but they want to talk about Detroit .

And way to adress KJs comments . He’s gone way farther than I but these inconvenient facts never get adressed. Sherman has also suggested starting Geno . It’s not my position . I’ve said he played starter quality ball and if they choose him he can win if he plays like last year . Kj goes far past that . Does he need his head examined ? What is it ? Adress KJ please ? Or DK” never had a ball like that “
He didn’t get to play the commanders or bears . JAx was his commanders . He had no significant contributions in the run game as opposed to Jesus Christ himself the greatest qb ever all time . Geno may start or he may not but whoever does we will be better off on offense .


I was delighted to read an article on Hackett fielding questions about his new qb and his jet setting summer all around the globe at celebrity studded events and whether it might be a distraction . His answer and paraphrasing somewhat “ yes I was asking myself are we really going to own this offense the way we need to ? But he surrounds himself with such good people he’s able to make sure he keeps up with everything “. Russels “camp “ is in camp while he’s in Monaco or Wimbledon . Long ways from no time to sleep . Good luck mr Hackett I’m going to be more right about this then I hoped and dreamed I would be .

The guy you miss so bad left a long time ago . Addition by subtraction . GO HAWKS!!!!

[RiverDog]

A week after Geno led a complete team effort in pounding Jacksonville they beat Buffalo 9-6.nobody ever responds to this but they want to talk about Detroit.

Bad teams have fluke good games just as good teams have fluke bad games. The bottom line is that Jacksonville, for the 2nd straight year, was the worst team in the league. As The Tuna once said, you are what your record says you are, and Jacksonville's two year W/L record is 4-29. So please quit trying to put lipstick on a pig simply to support your narrative. The Jaguars were, and are, horrible.

[Aseahawkfan]

If Geno starts and shows similar form to last year , 700 passing yards , 5 TDs to 1 pick , 68.5 % completion , 17-21 targeting DK for 4 TDs , 251 yards and a passer rating of 151.5. 10 completions to Lockett in the FIRST HALF of JAx , many in NFL open windows between the hash marks , 98 yard drive in his first real action in 5 years , put up more points in 1 quarter than Russ in 3 . Only 7 points less than Russ in 7 quarters vs the world champs . DK had 2 of his 3 biggest games of the year in Genos starts .
KJ wholeheartedly endorsed Geno . Would someone respond to inconvenient facts like this ? Is KJ an idiot ? Does he know anything the people on this forum don’t having been a teammate and faced him in practice for 2 years ?

Those who say Tari and are I all wet are basing their gloom and doom on statistics compiled in other places , in Genos case 10 years ago . Saying 13 quarters against 3 very good defenses was a fluke.

Lock has a similar game . If either the Seahawks staff or the offense when properly run can improve Lock 10% in his accuracy and cut his picks from damn near 1-1 to the 5-1 TD to pick ratio Geno had ( no picks in 3 starts ) playing 3 great defenses and toying with the one bad one that held Josh Allen to 6 the following week , yeah if Geno is 2021 or Lock is that good we won’t maybe have a dynamic explosive offense . We WILL.

Geno went 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 if you include the two quarters of the Rams game as you are doing in his stats. The part you leave out is Geno was running a pared down offense and Pete and the OC did not feel comfortable having Geno throw much. They had him throw high percentage passes and be very careful when throwing the ball because they know if Geno tries to unleash, he's gonna throw picks.

Sometimes you gottta throw a lot to win or have a chance to win. If Geno does that, he will end up turning the ball over.

That is the fear.

We've seen you post those stats a thousand times always forgetting the 1-2 win-loss record or 1-3 including half of the Rams game. Geno played as well as he ever has in his career and he lost to every team but one of the worst in the league in Jacksonville. This game is about winning games. Until we see Geno lead some game winning drives or at least hold a lead trading TDs and drives for FGs as needed, no one will have much confidence.

Geno had 13 quarters . He had 1 quarter vs the world champs , not 2. Russ had 17 points in 7 quarters . Geno 10 points , 131 yards , a 98 yards surgical drive , 23 yards rushing on 3 carries.
His first start was on the road in prime time vs the team that led the league in sacks . Sacked 5 times hit numerous other times, 3 tipped balls still 72 % completion % 102 qb rating , completed balls to TEN RECEIVERS!!! . Completed the only 2 minute game end drive of the year to get into overtime . It was our only game ending drive of the year . Russ was 0-3 . Yea he didn’t win . Or the saints against who he drove the team into position for 16 points but Meyers went 0-2 in a 13-10 loss . 2 weeks later the saints SHUT OUT Tom Brady . Their defense gave up 17 ppg despite no quarterback .

A week after Geno led a complete team effort in pounding Jacksonville they beat Buffalo 9-6.nobody ever responds to this but they want to talk about Detroit .

And way to adress KJs comments . He’s gone way farther than I but these inconvenient facts never get adressed. Sherman has also suggested starting Geno . It’s not my position . I’ve said he played starter quality ball and if they choose him he can win if he plays like last year . Kj goes far past that . Does he need his head examined ? What is it ? Adress KJ please ? Or DK” never had a ball like that “
He didn’t get to play the commanders or bears . JAx was his commanders . He had no significant contributions in the run game as opposed to Jesus Christ himself the greatest qb ever all time . Geno may start or he may not but whoever does we will be better off on offense .


I was delighted to read an article on Hackett fielding questions about his new qb and his jet setting summer all around the globe at celebrity studded events and whether it might be a distraction . His answer and paraphrasing somewhat “ yes I was asking myself are we really going to own this offense the way we need to ? But he surrounds himself with such good people he’s able to make sure he keeps up with everything “. Russels “camp “ is in camp while he’s in Monaco or Wimbledon . Long ways from no time to sleep . Good luck mr Hackett I’m going to be more right about this then I hoped and dreamed I would be .

The guy you miss so bad left a long time ago . Addition by subtraction . GO HAWKS!!!!

What KJ and DK and Pete and whoever else says don't matter one little bit. They can speak as highly as they want of anyone they want or as low as they want. It doesn't matter at all, not one bit. What matters is wins and losses. You claimed Pete loved Geno, yet here is Geno competing for a starting job with some backup from Denver and some no name guy Eason. If Pete's words were true, then why isn't Geno the starter? Why didn't Geno get signed for a longer contract if Pete believes in him? That how you treat a guy you think is as good as you claim Pete thinks he is?

Russ is gone. You got nowhere to hide any more. You can't keep using Russ as an excuse any more.

Looking at Geno absent any comparison to Russ or any other QB, Geno has to prove he can win. You keep posting Geno's stats and forgetting he didn't win. He went 1 and 2 or 1 and 3 including the Rams. Until Geno proves he can win, the other stats mean nothing. Absolutely nothing. Winning is the most important stat. If the stats you keep posting are Geno playing extremely well and still losing, well that doesn't bode well for us does it? You're basically saying, "Even with Geno playing as well as Geno has ever played in his life, he still can't play well enough to win games."

That's the most important part of playing QB. Winning games.

So you got any proof Geno can win more often than he loses other than speculation? Can you explain why Pete and John didn't sign Geno to a longer contract if they thought he was so damn good? Why aren't Pete and John listening to KJ? Maybe because KJ doesn't know jack squat about QBs and how good they are? If Geno's stats were so damn great like you keep claiming, why is he in competition with Lock and Eason to begin with?

Actions speak louder than words. hawktawk. That's why I don't care about what someone said. Right now Geno Smith is signed to a one year contract and he's competition with two other QBs. That makes it quite clear Pete Carroll doesn't believe any of these guys are the clear starter. He's doing his usual competition at all positions he does when rebuilding a team like he did when he first arrived. You're the one who believes words over actions, not me. I believe in actions over words. What's being said is very different from what's being done.

[tarlhawk]

There's no mystery to the current QB contract situation...2023 has a good class of QB prospects...and even though trading Russell ended his future impact on our salary cap...his dead money hit of 26 million made 1 year offers the norm and John Schneider will have heaps of contract negotiations next year (2023) with more cap room to maneuver.

QB competition is for 2022...if a CLEAR winner emerges...then we'll pick a college QB after the first round...otherwise JS will settle on a target he prefers and maneuver for the QB within range of our two 1rst rd picks for 2023. So the competition is for which QB wins after pre-season dust settles...then the winning QB must have a good enough season to earn a decent contract extension...so basically competing against our "future" QB. Pretty sure only DK is up for a contract extension that John Schneider is focused on prior to 2022 season ending.

[RiverDog]

There's no mystery to the current QB contract situation...2023 has a good class of QB prospects...and even though trading Russell ended his future impact on our salary cap...his dead money hit of 26 million made 1 year offers the norm and John Schneider will have heaps of contract negotiations next year (2023) with more cap room to maneuver.

QB competition is for 2022...if a CLEAR winner emerges...then we'll pick a college QB after the first round...otherwise JS will settle on a target he prefers and maneuver for the QB within range of our two 1rst rd picks for 2023. So the competition is for which QB wins after pre-season dust settles...then the winning QB must have a good enough season to earn a decent contract extension...so basically competing against our "future" QB. Pretty sure only DK is up for a contract extension that John Schneider is focused on prior to 2022 season ending.

At 32 years old, Geno would have to have a Pro Bowl season to justify an extension beyond that of which is given a backup quarterback. Lock not nearly as good, but nevertheless, he would have to be pretty damn impressive in order to earn a big payday. My guess is that whoever wins the battle...assuming that we don't bring in someone like Darnold or Jimmy G....will be nothing more than a place card holder until we draft and develop our QBOTF.

The more this season unfolds, the more it's looking like 2011.

[NorthHawk]

I think both QBs are in the same boat - mainly that they have to play lights out to not have the FO
go after a top QB in the 2023 draft.

[Aseahawkfan]

There's no mystery to the current QB contract situation...2023 has a good class of QB prospects...and even though trading Russell ended his future impact on our salary cap...his dead money hit of 26 million made 1 year offers the norm and John Schneider will have heaps of contract negotiations next year (2023) with more cap room to maneuver.

QB competition is for 2022...if a CLEAR winner emerges...then we'll pick a college QB after the first round...otherwise JS will settle on a target he prefers and maneuver for the QB within range of our two 1rst rd picks for 2023. So the competition is for which QB wins after pre-season dust settles...then the winning QB must have a good enough season to earn a decent contract extension...so basically competing against our "future" QB. Pretty sure only DK is up for a contract extension that John Schneider is focused on prior to 2022 season ending.

I hope 2023 has some good QBs and we are in position to take one. That would be mighty fine to me.

I don't feel like being some team pinning hopes on 9 year veteran backups or cast off QBs from Denver going 7-10 or 10-7 but never really contending. We've already done that for quite a few years even with a high quality QB. We need to take a big losing hit now, draft a high quality QB, then build up from there. Not squeak out middling, barely competitive seasons with some backup QBs. That's no fun at all.

[tarlhawk]

Fans are good at making their own assumptions and without "inside" knowledge of the trade talks as they developed any guess is fair and a valid opinion. We look at stats and "listen" to media resources and if we really cared...we find solace in like minded posts or "breaking news" media savants.

Was Drew a cast off offered by Denver to avoid giving up further draft picks? ...or was he pursued with the other two players since we couldn't get three first round draft picks...we took draft equivalent players...Fant/Lock/Shelby representing an "extra first" (Fant) ...an "extra 2nd" (Lock) and an "extra 5th" (Shelby)? Fant/Lock were from the 2019 draft...did either or both of them make it on John Schneiders "personal" draft Big Board? We weren't actively seeking a QB replacement/backup in 2019...or was John Schneider just doing due diligence as far back as 2019?

No fan knows the exact timeline when our Head Coach/Franchise QB began their fallout. Maybe John and Russell had a personal fallout before Pete was brought on board? Pete is closer to the "player" side of negotiations and John is more on the "business" side...its easier for Pete to get close to players he likes...while John sometimes has to resort to a "bad cop" kinda role (I like you but not to the point of calling you a friend).

Was Denver in serious behind the scenes talks concerning Russell? ... and the parallel pursuit of Aaron Rodgers just a media ruse? Those are "high stakes" for both our teams so getting "truthful" responses from PC/RW shouldn't be expected...just to keep fans happy in the loop.

[Old but Slow]

Is it not time to retire this thread? Mayfield is off the table. The discussion is still valid, but belongs elsewhere.

[Hawktawk]

A week after Geno led a complete team effort in pounding Jacksonville they beat Buffalo 9-6.nobody ever responds to this but they want to talk about Detroit.

Bad teams have fluke good games just as good teams have fluke bad games. The bottom line is that Jacksonville, for the 2nd straight year, was the worst team in the league. As The Tuna once said, you are what your record says you are, and Jacksonville's two year W/L record is 4-29. So please quit trying to put lipstick on a pig simply to support your narrative. The Jaguars were, and are, horrible.[/quote]



Yeah and so Geno the garbage backup and the entire bad Seahawks roster in all 3 phases did what a GOOD team is supposed to do to a bad team .what happened vs the commanders ? The bears ? Yeah he beat the lions and Texans . 2-2 vs doormats .for 35 million but the sky is now falling

Completing 80% against anyone in the show and drawing a IVE NEVER HAD A BALL LIKE THAT from one of the best players in the game who caught a couple hundred from the lord almighty ? Doesn’t matter right ?. You sound less intelligent then you are when you devalue a guy tying Arod for most completions to start a game against anyone .

But Russ getting shut out in the next game , ah well he was heroic coming back to help his hapless offense .

Wendz would love to have had half the game when the Jags convincingly eliminated them from the playoffs in week 18.

Last I saw of Geno smith he was compiling an 80% compl 138 Rating beat down . 3rd week of 1st team reps in 5 years . Yeah that guy can win in Seattle if called on . You lost this argument a long time ago .

Please adress Dk. Kj. Sherman . PLEASE adress the elephants in your arguments living room.

Or admit HT was right when he said Geno played starter quality ball and did some statistically remarkable things like 17-21 for 4 TDs and a 151 Qb rating , 2 of DKs 3 biggest games of the year ( address and explain this fluke ) or completing balls to 10 guys his first start despite being pounded for 5 quarters ( I didn’t know we had 10 guys that can catch a pass) then 10 to rocket in the first half and the “ never had a ball like that “ jamming it in to DK vs JAx. Even vs the saints he beat Lattimore for 65 yards and a TD to DK.

You see a lot more on tv, especially on rewind . I know you attended and came home and called him a below average backup or words to that effect . Watching again you’re quite wrong .
Geno can play quite well or at least he could last year so let’s see. But you all have lost the did Geno play like a starter last year argument. Over .

[NorthHawk]

And yet the Seahawks have had internal discussions about Jimmy G if he becomes available according to PFT.
That surely means they are sure about the abilities of both Geno and Lock as possible #1 QB replacements of Wilson. I mean it's a real vote of confidence.
Even our FO doesn't seem to believe what you are spouting about the expectations of our 2 QBs.

[tarlhawk]

And yet the Seahawks have had internal discussions about Jimmy G if he becomes available according to PFT.
That surely means they are sure about the abilities of both Geno and Lock as possible #1 QB replacements of Wilson. I mean it's a real vote of confidence.
Even our FO doesn't seem to believe what you are spouting about the expectations of our 2 QBs.

Actually it's not a "no vote of confidence" ...it's directly reflective of the difficulty/complexity of getting/developing a QB with the full package to optimize our stable of play makers. Jimmy G. has demonstrated that on an NFL level...Geno has flashed that ability with a scaled down play book (Pete is looking for Geno to handle a more developed command of Waldron's schemes...Drew has to quickly show he can utilize the full range of our playbook...and all the intangibles (quick tempo/getting O-line set/pocket command(presence)/fast (yet accurate) reads of what the defense is calling/guessing. Keeping Jimmy G. in perspective is more reflective of the excitement they perceive in our offenses potential to "turn it around"

[RiverDog]

And yet the Seahawks have had internal discussions about Jimmy G if he becomes available according to PFT.
That surely means they are sure about the abilities of both Geno and Lock as possible #1 QB replacements of Wilson. I mean it's a real vote of confidence.
Even our FO doesn't seem to believe what you are spouting about the expectations of our 2 QBs.

I'm seeing those rumors, too. Word is that the Niners want to trade Garoppolo by the end of the month. I'll be surprised if we did pull the trigger on him. It's pretty rare that trades are made within the same division as there are risks for both sides.