2022 Hopeful/Doubtful Outlook (QB)

[Hawktawk]

Jeudy had 10 drops last year btw.

[RiverDog]

We’re going to smoke Denver like a cheap joint . I think my buddy and I are going to the game to watch the carnage live .

I hope that you're still living in a single story house.

[tarlhawk]

HT you're referring to 2020 when Jeudy had 10 less catches (52) than Fant (62) yet twice as many drops (10) than Fant (5) even though Jeudy had 20 more targets (113) compared to Fant (93). Jeudy was injured much of 2021 and only had 5 games he started in. Denver no doubt allowed Noah Fant to leave because Russ doesn't make TE a focus of his pass selections...but imo he will be a huge boon in a Waldron offense.

[RiverDog]

Denver no doubt allowed Noah Fant to leave because Russ doesn't make TE a focus of his pass selections...but imo he will be a huge boon in a Waldron offense.

I hadn't thought of that, but it's a possibility. We've traditionally brought in very good tight ends, signing Greg Olson in 2020, Gerald Everett in 2021, along with using mid round draft capital to acquire them, so it shouldn't be a huge surprise that we might have asked for Fant to be thrown in on the Russell trade. I anticipate Fant to have a positive effect with his receiving ability, but the biggest thing I'll be looking at will be his blocking as an inline tight end. We're going to need it.

It will be interesting to see how Russell melds into the Denver offense, if he throws across the middle more than he did when he was with us. He won't have the home run threat that he had with Metcalf, so maybe he won't be as anxious to hit a streaking WR 40 yards downfield, and he should have a little better protection. Just another side drama to the upcoming season.

[tarlhawk]

Russell "relied" on his security blanket (Tyler Lockett) with many of his "moon" rocket passes so he'll need to locate a similar reliable target. The interesting part of the trade was how Schneider got Drew Lock's security blanket (Noah Fant) as part of "the deal".

[NorthHawk]

I don't think it means much.
The Broncos had to offer more than just the draft picks they did so they added in a former 1st rounder to sweeten the deal.
From what I've read about the Broncos, they don't think they will miss a beat without Fant. I think what was said was something like
when they looked at their roster Fant wasn't someone they thought they had to keep. The feeling was he is a good player but they have
other TEs on the roster that can be just as good. There was also the complaint that he dropped too many passes.

[Hawktawk]

We’re going to smoke Denver like a cheap joint . I think my buddy and I are going to the game to watch the carnage live
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I hope that you're still living in a single story house.

What the hell are you taking about . It’s a damn game . I’ve dealt with a lot worse , a lot and I haven’t jumped out any windows .

I’m just an analyst making a call based on all the information available and my suspicion the Hawks will be no pushover for anyone , highly motivated. I believe Denver will be tight as a guitar string . We might go 1-16 but that will be our win if so . Wilson isn’t coming in here with a worse roster than ours a year older and ten times the pressure he couldn’t handle anymore anyway . We’re going 1 -0 . After that who knows .

[RiverDog]

We’re going to smoke Denver like a cheap joint . I think my buddy and I are going to the game to watch the carnage live
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I hope that you're still living in a single story house.

What the hell are you taking about . It’s a damn game . I’ve dealt with a lot worse , a lot and I haven’t jumped out any windows .

I’m just an analyst making a call based on all the information available and my suspicion the Hawks will be no pushover for anyone , highly motivated. I believe Denver will be tight as a guitar string . We might go 1-16 but that will be our win if so . Wilson isn’t coming in here with a worse roster than ours a year older and ten times the pressure he couldn’t handle anymore anyway . We’re going 1 -0 . After that who knows .

Just giving you a hard time, my friend, which is why I included my smiley face.

[Hawktawk]

All good River . Sports is my escape . If there’s no way to really prove who is right I hold on for dear life but if I’m wrong I’m a stand up guy . If the worst thing that happens is listening to what an idiot I am on this forum until proven otherwise I’m a lot better off than most .

I just have a gut feeling . Maybe it’s gas . It probably is or a shart in waiting. Tune in Sept 12 . I hear the DK talks have been put on hold whatever that means so I’m not as confident . I do think the teacher will school his pupil of 10 years no matter who lines up .

I wish I could link . Read an article written by a Denver beat writer saying in effect let’s pump the brakes on this championship contender talk . The receiving corps has produced very little . Bradley Chubb has been hurt a lot . We’ve watched 6 years of bad football . Sure Russ will help but how much with the division and schedule?

. That’s basically the gist of his thoughts and I completely agree. We will see the reality . Maybe it rejuvenates Russ like many expect . But he’s put more pressure on himself with this move than ever . I expect a hard night for him here then let’s see .

[Old but Slow]

I appreciate your enthusiasm, Hawktawk, but the drum beat can be tiresome. But, don't stop being who you are and I will continue to read with patience.

Up or down, I have no clue. Maybe Jones or Lock can find something, maybe we will hit it big on a QB in the next draft. Maybe not.

Meanwhile, I am looking forward to some football. Laughing, crying, confused or confident, I will enjoy being a Seahawk.

And here is hoping we can do it all with some humor.

[RiverDog]

All good River . Sports is my escape . If there’s no way to really prove who is right I hold on for dear life but if I’m wrong I’m a stand up guy . If the worst thing that happens is listening to what an idiot I am on this forum until proven otherwise I’m a lot better off than most .

I just have a gut feeling . Maybe it’s gas . It probably is or a shart in waiting. Tune in Sept 12 . I hear the DK talks have been put on hold whatever that means so I’m not as confident . I do think the teacher will school his pupil of 10 years no matter who lines up .

I wish I could link . Read an article written by a Denver beat writer saying in effect let’s pump the brakes on this championship contender talk . The receiving corps has produced very little . Bradley Chubb has been hurt a lot . We’ve watched 6 years of bad football . Sure Russ will help but how much with the division and schedule?

. That’s basically the gist of his thoughts and I completely agree. We will see the reality . Maybe it rejuvenates Russ like many expect . But he’s put more pressure on himself with this move than ever . I expect a hard night for him here then let’s see .

I hadn't heard that the Metcalf talks have stalled. The last I heard was that Pete was optimistic and that the next few weeks are crucial, so that hardly sounds like they're put on hold.

I did read an opinion by Rich Eisen that the Cowboys would make a perfect trading partner, that Jerry Jones is just the type of owner that would be willing to pull the trigger on such a deal. They feel, with considerable justification, that they're a player or two away from being a contender. If we did end up trading Metcalf to the 'Boys, it wouldn't be the first time we'd harpooned Jones for a wide receiver. We traded Joey Galloway under similar circumstances over 20 years ago.

https://heavy.com/sports/seattle-seahaw ... s-cowboys/

So we'll see.

[Aseahawkfan]

[quote="Hawktawk"What the hell are you taking about . It’s a damn game . I’ve dealt with a lot worse , a lot and I haven’t jumped out any windows .

I’m just an analyst making a call based on all the information available and my suspicion the Hawks will be no pushover for anyone , highly motivated. I believe Denver will be tight as a guitar string . We might go 1-16 but that will be our win if so . Wilson isn’t coming in here with a worse roster than ours a year older and ten times the pressure he couldn’t handle anymore anyway . We’re going 1 -0 . After that who knows .[/quote]

You're not an analyst. No analyst worth a damn would think we're going to beat Denver easily.

You don't analyze, you emotionalize.

Your bias against Russ is ridiculous. It ruins any lucid points you might make in the diatribe of emotion in your posts.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="Hawktawk"What the hell are you taking about . It’s a damn game . I’ve dealt with a lot worse , a lot and I haven’t jumped out any windows .

I’m just an analyst making a call based on all the information available and my suspicion the Hawks will be no pushover for anyone , highly motivated. I believe Denver will be tight as a guitar string . We might go 1-16 but that will be our win if so . Wilson isn’t coming in here with a worse roster than ours a year older and ten times the pressure he couldn’t handle anymore anyway . We’re going 1 -0 . After that who knows .

You're not an analyst. No analyst worth a damn would think we're going to beat Denver easily.

You don't analyze, you emotionalize.

Your bias against Russ is ridiculous. It ruins any lucid points you might make in the diatribe of emotion in your posts.[/quote]

Ok let’s dispense with emotion and talk facts . Russ was the worst quarterback in the league vs cover 4 . He had the worst completion % in the league on 3rd down most of the year . He threw less in the middle of the field then any qb . Despite 31 sacks , hardly the most in the league . He’s 6-10 in his last 16 starts and had a total qbr equal to Tua last year . He went 1-3 vs backups . He’s gone to a team that hasn’t made the postseason in 6 years with a first time head coach who got the job based on how good Rodgers is and took the job thinking that’s who he would have behind center . He’s not getting Rodgers but a guy who plays completely different . I would like to know what area the donkeys are superior in other than your perception of Russ as a game changer .

I haven’t said Seattle will blow out denver but I’ve said I wouldn’t be surprised . Their coach is ranked #22 without coaching a down . Our coach is ranked 8th ( low imo) with over 100 wins. All I hear out of Denver is how awesome a leader Russ is . What a difference maker .
The time to talk is coming to an end . There will be a litmus test immediately . I expect a win .
In other news KJ endorsed Geno, citing his time with the team , knowledge of the offense and his big arm.he said this even if mayfield comes in .
So I might have had a point way back when . Good luck getting credit on this forum .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Hawktawk, I am more in line with you in that I’m optimistic about how the team will do, but, while I can recognize that Geno was pretty good in limited action last season, I’m concerned Geno will level out to his greater body of work he showed with NYJ. I’m rooting for him as I am for Lock, but I’m not hanging any hopes on it.

And the love he gets from KJ and Metcalf is reminiscent of TJack. Average, place-holder QB who was popular with his teammates. Not a bad thing to have, just not likely a take-your-team-to-the-next-level situation.

[obiken]

Hawktawk, I am more in line with you in that I’m optimistic about how the team will do, but, while I can recognize that Geno was pretty good in limited action last season, I’m concerned Geno will level out to his greater body of work he showed with NYJ. I’m rooting for him as I am for Lock, but I’m not hanging any hopes on it.

And the love he gets from KJ and Metcalf is reminiscent of TJack. Average, place-holder QB who was popular with his teammates. Not a bad thing to have, just not likely a take-your-team-to-the-next-level situation.

MackS, HT is delusional, 1. NO team gets to the SB without a great QB and we gave ours to the Broncos. 2. Our defense was at the bottom last year, and might get a little better but not that much. 3. Our Oline is at least 2 years away and thats with the pieces we added. Oline is not like a RB, WR, or TE, its a steep learning curve that takes a year to learn. 3. PC is 70, Most Coaches are done after 10 years, even if they are great, after 10 years they go down, and the league catches up. Lombardi, 58-68, Landry 70-80, Shula 71-81, not withstanding Marino. Walsh 78-88. Pete 2010-20. ect. The major exception was Bill, and that was due to Tommy, and the Salary cap era and he is done. 4. Defensive coaches are done in this league, Zimmer, PC, Mike Tomlin, Bilicheat, and Vrabel, are pretty much done. Offense is driving the league. 5. The over/under on the Hawks is 5, by the boys who know and are not out to lose money, bet the under. The over/under on the Broncos is 10.5, bet the over. 6. Quit listening to Hawk talk, listen to River, Cbob, or ASHF.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I’ll give everyone’s opinion consideration and then make up my own mind. I’m not calling a Superb Owl or even a playoff appearance, though I don’t believe the latter is out of the question. I don’t think Hawktawk is thinking Super Bowl either. I’m on the optimistic side of where the team is headed.

Yes, I agree you generally can’t make it to and win a Super Bowl without a great QB, and Russ was the best the Seahawks have had. Regardless of the reasons, and I’m of the opinion Wilson and the FO share blame for the window closing, the Seahawks weren’t going back with Russels at the helm. He gave you the best shot, but it was more likely an early playoff exit. That’s a combination of talent acquisition (lack thereof) and a decline in Wilson’s play. I’ll eat crow if he has a Renaissance down in Denver, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t.

And Geno doesn’t represent the future. Lock has a shot at that, though it has to manifest. Lock could just as likely flame out. Geno would them be the place holder a La TJack.

[RiverDog]

I’ll give everyone’s opinion consideration and then make up my own mind. I’m not calling a Superb Owl or even a playoff appearance, though I don’t believe the latter is out of the question. I don’t think Hawktawk is thinking Super Bowl either. I’m on the optimistic side of where the team is headed.

Yes, I agree you generally can’t make it to and win a Super Bowl without a great QB, and Russ was the best the Seahawks have had. Regardless of the reasons, and I’m of the opinion Wilson and the FO share blame for the window closing, the Seahawks weren’t going back with Russels at the helm. He gave you the best shot, but it was more likely an early playoff exit. That’s a combination of talent acquisition (lack thereof) and a decline in Wilson’s play. I’ll eat crow if he has a Renaissance down in Denver, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t.

And Geno doesn’t represent the future. Lock has a shot at that, though it has to manifest. Lock could just as likely flame out. Geno would them be the place holder a La TJack.

A very reasoned post. Nice job, Mack!

[tarlhawk]

Haven't posted lately...been reading various posts here and elsewhere. Its really hard to gauge expectations on the 2022 season. High potential exists due to the caliber of the new coaches hired/promoted and the abundant youth and enthusiasm that the team presents as a whole. Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner distinguished themselves for an entire decade and earned their parting respect from the fans they thrilled. The feeling of a never-say-die attitude made many thrilling come from behind closely scored victories...a sort of cardiac roller coaster.

We have never played the role of "door mat" and our team has exuded both fear and pride for much of the last ten years. Because of Russel's great value we were able to claim some valuable assets and valued draft capital...a trade is always valued over a pure loss. Fan passion is felt through many posts and we often lose sight of these posts being spirited opinions not vengeful vendettas to be played out on a personal level.

Every fan has some insight worth considering...since opinions should be encouraged not berated when they "touch a nerve". Our opinions and posts represent a persona as an outlet to express our views ...not always indicative of the real life individual making the post. Our team has a lot of encouraging potential ...despite lacking many of the "proven" stars that pundits and gamblers rely on to make "safe" bets. The underdog role can be frustrating as often as it can be exhilarating...but Pete does not promote a losing mentality so as a part of an old Mariner chant "Anything can Happen Now!" Go Hawks!

[obiken]

Drew Lock, really? Come on, he was given plenty of chances in Denver and they started Teddy Bridgewater, he's done, I hope am wrong, but I dont think I am. IF we win 8 games we will be doing damn good, I dont see that happening with this roster.

[Aseahawkfan]

Drew Lock, really? Come on, he was given plenty of chances in Denver and they started Teddy Bridgewater, he's done, I hope am wrong, but I dont think I am. IF we win 8 games we will be doing damn good, I dont see that happening with this roster.

At least Drew Lock is a wild card somewhat. We have some real good receivers and if he can play, he has the pieces to do something. But he will be with rookie tackles. So we'll let him take the beating while the tackles learn, so the new QB will have some experienced tackles when we draft him. Ruthless reality, but rookie left tackles is going to be rough for any QB, much less inexperienced or backup guys. I think it is going to be extremely painful for any QB or RB with rookie tackles, especially in a division like ours with some brutal D-lines.

[obiken]

At least Drew Lock is a wild card somewhat. We have some real good receivers and if he can play, he has the pieces to do something. But he will be with rookie tackles. So we'll let him take the beating while the tackles learn, so the new QB will have some experienced tackles when we draft him. Ruthless reality, but rookie left tackles is going to be rough for any QB, much less inexperienced or backup guys. I think it is going to be extremely painful for any QB or RB with rookie tackles, especially in a division like ours with some brutal D-lines.

Good point guy!!

[RiverDog]

Drew Lock, really? Come on, he was given plenty of chances in Denver and they started Teddy Bridgewater, he's done, I hope am wrong, but I dont think I am. IF we win 8 games we will be doing damn good, I dont see that happening with this roster.

I tend to agree. A change of scenery and a different coach/offensive philosophy notwithstanding, it isn't very often that a quarterback who fails with one team resurrects his career and plays better than he did at his first stop. Some have mentioned Drew Brees as an example of a QB that broke this trend, but Brees had a very good season in his last year with the Chargers before being traded to the Saints where he hooked up with Sean Payton.

However, there is some reason to hope that Lock might be different. He's a big, tall kid with a strong arm that many have compared favorably with Josh Allen. We're not expected to compete this season anyway and there's no heir apparent at the position, so it's the perfect time to give this guy a shot and see what he can do.

As far as how many games we'll win, I agree, we'll be hard pressed to better last season's W/L performance. But the schedule is relatively weak, with both the Jets and Giants, the Lions, Panthers, and Falcons representing potential wins. It's going to be an interesting season.

[Hawktawk]

I’ll give everyone’s opinion consideration and then make up my own mind. I’m not calling a Superb Owl or even a playoff appearance, though I don’t believe the latter is out of the question. I don’t think Hawktawk is thinking Super Bowl either. I’m on the optimistic side of where the team is headed.

Yes, I agree you generally can’t make it to and win a Super Bowl without a great QB, and Russ was the best the Seahawks have had. Regardless of the reasons, and I’m of the opinion Wilson and the FO share blame for the window closing, the Seahawks weren’t going back with Russels at the helm. He gave you the best shot, but it was more likely an early playoff exit. That’s a combination of talent acquisition (lack thereof) and a decline in Wilson’s play. I’ll eat crow if he has a Renaissance down in Denver, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t.

And Geno doesn’t represent the future. Lock has a shot at that, though it has to manifest. Lock could just as likely flame out. Geno would them be the place holder a La TJack.

Great post Mack . No I am not predicting a super bowl . I predicted 10 wins which I assume would bring a wild card appearance . All I ever said of Geno is he played starter quality ball when he was in the game . I found his 98 yard drive in his first real action in 5 years remarkable to amazing against the world champs . Take the face off the name . Call him Joe schmoe. 68.5% completion ratio , 5-1 TD to int ratio , 102 QbR facing the Rams , Pittsburgh , the saints , and destroying the only “bad” team he faced 31-7 80% completion , 10 completions to Rocket in the first half , a stupendous stat like throwing to 10 receivers his first start in 10 years in Pittsburgh vs a team that led the league with 55 sacks and knocked the crap out of Joe Schmoe all night . That Joe could win some games in the nfl . It’s all
I said . Long term ? You would say no . I would say definitely not likely . He is 2 years younger than Wilson .But he is still a healthy low mileage mobile guy with a suddenly accurate and powerful arm who thrived in the system last year . No point beating up the Green Bay game in hindsight . A real blunder all around . I’d like to have seen Joe with another start and we may have learned something . I’d like to have seen a few more games of Penny too . Oh well. I understand the pressure associated with going from backup to starter , not playing with house money anymore . It’s the end of lots of guys . It was 13 quarters .

I think the best thing for Seattle is if Lock wins fair and square because he is a poor man’s Josh Allen . Huge , mobile , cannon arm , freakish .
But I’ve said Joe can start and win for Seattle if everyone else does their job . Said it a long time ago and im standing by it .

[tarlhawk]

If we are being honest...the upcoming season promises to be a "rough" one regardless of who our QB in 2022 was going to be. Our own NFC West has our rival "bullies" peaking as we try to reemerge from our self imposed doldrums...the 9ers Rams and Cards are tough in single doses for most NFL teams but we get each of them twice...then you add the much improved AFC West to our docket and 2022 seems grim.

Our "QB" this year might as well be named Shane Waldron because he is tasked with pulling us out of a nightmare season and tailoring an offense to give whoever our named QB ends up being ...a clear path to win some expected close games. Physical skills aside the competition is an established well liked vet against a young gunslinger with upside skills for the opportunity to play QB for us...in a "new" era of our franchises history.

Whether this 2022 season is labeled as a "rebuild" or not...our tough schedule sets us up with that type of environment anyways. Our direction talent wise is forward not backwards so like any good roller coaster ride...many bumps and jarring turns seem likely as we await the peaks and dips of our 2022 "track" to finish. Go Hawks

[tarlhawk]

I tend to agree. A change of scenery and a different coach/offensive philosophy notwithstanding, it isn't very often that a quarterback who fails with one team resurrects his career and plays better than he did at his first stop.

Drew Brees offers some reflection of how a change of "scenery" can allow a career to bloom...I would also offer up Kirk Cousins. He started his early seasons "stuck" behind a younger RG III but got over his early "bumpy" ride in Washington while not being thrust into a starting role and his rookie year had Mike Shanahan as a coach. His QB play didn't really threaten RG III...instead he benefited from the quick demise of an injured RG III.

If you look closely into the Denver situation with Drew you see the impact of being thrust into an NFL starting role with a supporting offense of limited "help"...best receiver (Sutton) injured...best "young" stud receiver (Jeudy) "arrived" in 2020 (and stumbled out of the gate) trying to impact NFL secondaries...a poor showing at best if you look at those sites that do film studies. His "go to" weapon had to be his fellow rookie TE Noah Fant. Losing his starting role to Bridgewater cost him the opportunity to play under a "two headed RB tandem" in 2021.

As a young "gunslinger" with a defensive guru (Fangio) as head coach his turnover penchant put stress on the Denver Defense...the "pride" of Fangio toward his defense made Lock realize quickly what happens when you disappoint the HC...a doghouse of "no return". Russel bloomed under a like-minded Defensive coach (Pete) because he started as a "point guard"...getting the ball safely into the teams Play maker hands and building his deep ball penchant once he established trust with Pete.

Whether he starts out of the gate (or at a later point in the season)... Drew Lock has the skills to excel and earn a starting role going forward and allow our "next" potential franchise rookie QB (2023/2024) time to develop. Rookie tackles will get some help in base two TE alignments so its not like our gifted athletic tackles are being "thrown to the wolves". Our stellar WR strength can not be allowed to run loose while the "box gets stacked" to stop our explosive RB tandem...both our QBs have the arm strength to take advantage of a wide open streaking WR/TE...our "outlook" is not as dismal as some perceive.

[NorthHawk]

At this point our positives are based on hope and not much more.
We hope that Waldron will be permitted to put in his Offense.
We hope that the rookie bookend OTs will be good from the start.
We hope the QBs don't become turnover machines.
We hope that Penny can start the year where he left off last year.
We hope the Defense can be fixed so it can get off the field.
We hope we can get a much improved pass rush.
We hope the rookie DBs can contribute in a meaningful way.

That's a lot of hope based optimism and the reality is with QBs who have shown that they can be less safe with the ball than Wilson has ever been, we have to ask if Pete will demand the Offense be even more
conservative so as to limit the chances for bad QB decisions. With Pete it's all about the ball so if he doesn't trust the QBs to protect it then it will be an Offense like what we've seen the last decade. Part of
protecting the ball is good OL play, so will he permit the rookies to learn on the job or will he pull them in favor of the future backups?

There are a lot of moving parts in play and they could end up going in a strange direction, but for the most part I suspect we will have to take our lumps for a couple of years until the latest draft picks understand
how to prepare for a season that's 5 games longer than they have ever played. They're going to have to learn how much rest they need, their dietary requirements, how to study film, how to mentally prepare each
week and how to get past the dog days of the season when they are exhausted both physically and mentally. That's a lot on their plate and it doesn't even start with refining technique and getting stronger, so we
should expect some real bad plays and maybe some real good ones, too but in the end 2 years from now we will see the benefits of learning how to play at the NFL level. That is, unless Pete decides to put them
on the bench and play journeymen backups in their place. I think that would be the worst decision, but it wouldn't surprise me given Pete's "Win Forever" attitude. It would be a major setback in the long run
for this team.

[RiverDog]

Haven't posted lately...been reading various posts here and elsewhere. Its really hard to gauge expectations on the 2022 season. High potential exists due to the caliber of the new coaches hired/promoted and the abundant youth and enthusiasm that the team presents as a whole. Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner distinguished themselves for an entire decade and earned their parting respect from the fans they thrilled. The feeling of a never-say-die attitude made many thrilling come from behind closely scored victories...a sort of cardiac roller coaster.

We have never played the role of "door mat" and our team has exuded both fear and pride for much of the last ten years. Because of Russel's great value we were able to claim some valuable assets and valued draft capital...a trade is always valued over a pure loss. Fan passion is felt through many posts and we often lose sight of these posts being spirited opinions not vengeful vendettas to be played out on a personal level.

Every fan has some insight worth considering...since opinions should be encouraged not berated when they "touch a nerve". Our opinions and posts represent a persona as an outlet to express our views ...not always indicative of the real life individual making the post. Our team has a lot of encouraging potential ...despite lacking many of the "proven" stars that pundits and gamblers rely on to make "safe" bets. The underdog role can be frustrating as often as it can be exhilarating...but Pete does not promote a losing mentality so as a part of an old Mariner chant "Anything can Happen Now!" Go Hawks!

Welcome back, Tarl! Glad you decided to poke your head back into the jungle, both here and in the OT forum.

My whole dilemma about our team is that I'm afraid we've become mired in mediocrity, never good enough to compete for a SB yet never bad enough to consider blowing the team to smithereens and starting over. I'd almost rather see a 3-14 performance than I would an 8-9 season as it would force us to face reality rather than believing in fool's gold.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

We can forget about Mayfield now. He’s off to the Panthers for a conditional 5th round pick and $4.5 million of his salary carried by the Panthers. Consider me relieved.

[Hawktawk]

We can forget about Mayfield now. He’s off to the Panthers for a conditional 5th round pick and $4.5 million of his salary carried by the Panthers. Consider me relieved.

It truly looks like Seattle is prepared to ride with Lock , Geno , or Eason . I’d not have believed it a year ago . I still feel confident . I think all the negative crap is going to motivate a team that’s better than their critics think . We will know a lot more Sept 12 . I’m ambivalent on Mayfield. I heard a report that a major sticking point with him was his attitude problems . The specific quote by Dave Wyman was “ they are enjoying not having drama in the qb room” . Whatever it is I trust their instincts and have never believed they planned to trade Wilson and do a face plant . They plan to compete.

[Aseahawkfan]

That's all decided. Nice to have that discussion over with.

[Hawktawk]

If we are being honest...the upcoming season promises to be a "rough" one regardless of who our QB in 2022 was going to be. Our own NFC West has our rival "bullies" peaking as we try to reemerge from our self imposed doldrums...the 9ers Rams and Cards are tough in single doses for most NFL teams but we get each of them twice...then you add the much improved AFC West to our docket and 2022 seems grim.

Our "QB" this year might as well be named Shane Waldron because he is tasked with pulling us out of a nightmare season and tailoring an offense to give whoever our named QB ends up being ...a clear path to win some expected close games. Physical skills aside the competition is an established well liked vet against a young gunslinger with upside skills for the opportunity to play QB for us...in a "new" era of our franchises history.

Whether this 2022 season is labeled as a "rebuild" or not...our tough schedule sets us up with that type of environment anyways. Our direction talent wise is forward not backwards so like any good roller coaster ride...many bumps and jarring turns seem likely as we await the peaks and dips of our 2022 "track" to finish. Go Hawks

In his last 3 starts vs the Rams previous guy put a total of 37 points on the board , a 12.5 ppg average . That included his 11-29 141 yard pick 6 performance where Seattle somehow scored 20 in the dreadful wild card loss that was a canary in a coal mine . This year 17 points in 7 quarters . To be fair we don’t know what the 4th quarter of that first game this year when Russ got hurt would have looked like . That 4th quarter with Geno looked like 10 points , a 98 yard drive , 131 yards passing and 23 rushing on 3 carries. I believe Russ had 171 yards with aTD and a pick , 2 carries for 10 yards in 3 quarters . Seattle was moving the ball late with a chance to take the lead when Geno threw the pick as Lockett was tangled with a defender and fell . Not the best looking ball so who knows what happens if Rocket stays up anyway . Just saying if you want to get back to the top against the best , previous dudes game wasn’t cutting it . Whether Geno Lock or Eason who is the biggest physical freak of them all the sky is not falling . It’s a team that was 0-5 in 3 point games with previous dude responsible for 3. 1-3 in 2 minute situations , only conversion was Geno in his first start in 5 years . Zero game winners in 4 chances . It’s a team that won 12 games a year ago and previous guy wasn’t helping much last half of 21.

Get your chin up Tari . Keep the faith . I sense one of the biggest oke dokes ever foisted on the league courtesy of Pete and John . Denver’s the team that will be looking for the flight data recorder I suspect .

[RiverDog]

We can forget about Mayfield now. He’s off to the Panthers for a conditional 5th round pick and $4.5 million of his salary carried by the Panthers. Consider me relieved.

It truly looks like Seattle is prepared to ride with Lock , Geno , or Eason.

Probably, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There's a rumor circulating that the Hawks are engaged in talks for Sam Darnold, the odd man out in Carolina. And, of course, there's still Jimmy G.

[Aseahawkfan]

Probably, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There's a rumor circulating that the Hawks are engaged in talks for Sam Darnold, the odd man out in Carolina. And, of course, there's still Jimmy G.

I don't think Pete's super worried about it right now other than to add cheap, low cost talent to the competition to see what sticks.

This is competition mode for Pete right now. Everyone competing for jobs to make the best team possible. They don't need to spend anything serious on a QB. John is already scouting our guy and getting ready with all them picks we have next year.

[obiken]

This is competition mode for Pete right now. Everyone competing for jobs to make the best team possible. They don't need to spend anything serious on a QB. John is already scouting our guy and getting ready with all them picks we have next year.

We hope.

[Aseahawkfan]

We hope.

You been through this so many times, obi. We always eventually find a guy to be the QB and every other position except when Evil Ken Behring owned the team. He tried to destroy us on purpose to steal our team.

[Hawktawk]

You been through this so many times, obi. We always eventually find a guy to be the QB and every other position except when Evil Ken Behring owned the team. He tried to destroy us on purpose to steal our team.

Behring was a pig. Thank god for Paul Allen

[RiverDog]

Probably, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There's a rumor circulating that the Hawks are engaged in talks for Sam Darnold, the odd man out in Carolina. And, of course, there's still Jimmy G.

I don't think Pete's super worried about it right now other than to add cheap, low cost talent to the competition to see what sticks.

This is competition mode for Pete right now. Everyone competing for jobs to make the best team possible. They don't need to spend anything serious on a QB. John is already scouting our guy and getting ready with all them picks we have next year.

Pete is so full of BS that it's hard to tell what's going through his mind, at least from our vantage point. We can only make assumptions based on his actions or inactions. Not that he's that much different than any other NFL HC.

Training camp for veterans opens July 27th, which is less than 3 weeks away. If we're going to bring in another QB, it's going to have to be done fairly quickly. It's not like other positions where you can add players and plug them in right away. Especially when there's no predetermined starter with snaps with the first unit being a rare commodity, they're going to need as much time as they can to get some information on them.

[Hawktawk]

You sure like to dissect Pete’s so called BS . But lay off previous dudes bs right ?

If anything the pass on mayfield shows Pete has done exactjy as he said regarding the position. Passing on a relatively economical Mayfield appears to demonstrate their confidence in the current group . Yeah Garrappolo is out there but we swept the guy last year , he’s mediocre at best . Everyone in our camp has twice as big an arm . Everyone should be pulling for Pete and john to break this stranglehold the qb position has become with 50 million dollar deals and quarterbacks forcing their way out . There would be something beautiful watching Lock or Geno win on Monday night over one of the QBs mentioned .

[NorthHawk]

We don't know if the strategy was to wait the situation out and make a good offer if he was cut.
That would have been the responsible way to proceed, but it doesn't preclude the possibility that they want to upgrade at QB.
If we go into this season with Lock/Geno or Geno/Lock as #1 and #2, I think at some point they will try to add another QB. It's Pete's way to panic when things go bad or if
there is a some player he's always thought he wanted and they become available.

[RiverDog]

You sure like to dissect Pete’s so called BS . But lay off previous dudes bs right ?

The 'previous dude' is no longer a Seahawk. Pete is. He has been, and so long as he's our head coach will continue to be, dissected, and at times, he's going to be characterized by some fans as being full of s***, just as head coaches for other teams are occasionally referred to by their fans. Had your love affair with him been longer than a few months, you would have gotten used to it by now. And I specifically said that Pete was no different than any other NFL head, so I'm not sure why you're so hypersensitive to my remark.