Pete’s quotes

[RiverDog]

Maybe my experience helps me understand Genos situation a bit . Like a cop who advises someone they have the right to remain silent then engages in small talk to elicit some response they can write in their notes to further incriminate the person . That’s where the small d@ck syndrome crack came from and I ain’t gonna lie I thought it was one of the funnier things I’ve heard a drunk say to a cop . Spare the lectures.

Elicit some response? So you think that the cop that arrested Geno was trying to entrap him, bait him into telling him some secret that would result in Geno's conviction? Specifically, what kind of information could Geno have told him that would have made a difference in his case? And what was in it for the cop?

Geno was physically violent, had to be restrained to take a court ordered blood test. It makes perfect sense for a cop to try to de-escalate the situation by engaging in some small talk, try to calm him down some. It makes their job easier.

I say Genos teammates love him according to a respected veteran sideline reporter , how can he be an Ahole ? You plow over it like a bulldozer , circle back to a stupid drunk evening . Have at it . My guess is he’s more popular in that locker room than Hof franchise guy was on the way out the door .

It's very easy to have some friends on your team and be an A-hole to others. IMO Aaron Rodgers is an A-hole, yet I'm sure you can find a whole lot of players on his team that he's popular with.

And would you please get over the "HOF franchise guy"? He's truly is an obsession of yours. You can't discuss any topic in here without making some sort of mention of him.

[Old but Slow]

Professional athletes are like movie stars. They have personal lives that become the fascination of the masses. When it comes to what these people do in there personal lives is of no concern to me, unless it affects their performance, or they have shown excessive cruelty of some sort. Liars, thieves, drunks, addicts, Pollyannas, divas, ignorant, biased, prejudiced, Republican, long-haired or bald, I don't care very much as long as they do their jobs well and don't bug me about the other stuff.

Actually I wish we would put more emphasis on politicians and other public functionaries' lives and foibles, as they can make a difference. Athletes, not so much.

I get the role model thing, but that is almost laughable when you look at the examples of behavior we see in the news every day about behavior in all walks of life. Let the gladiators fight, you don't need to like them.

Russell Wilson, loved him as our QB, but I am over him. Not because of how he left and who is at fault and all that. He simply is not a Seahawk anymore. He is only another guy who is interesting like Mike Trout, Bill Gates, or Madonna (maybe she's not a guy).

[RiverDog]

Professional athletes are like movie stars. They have personal lives that become the fascination of the masses. When it comes to what these people do in there personal lives is of no concern to me, unless it affects their performance, or they have shown excessive cruelty of some sort. Liars, thieves, drunks, addicts, Pollyannas, divas, ignorant, biased, prejudiced, Republican, long-haired or bald, I don't care very much as long as they do their jobs well and don't bug me about the other stuff.

Actually I wish we would put more emphasis on politicians and other public functionaries' lives and foibles, as they can make a difference. Athletes, not so much.

I get the role model thing, but that is almost laughable when you look at the examples of behavior we see in the news every day about behavior in all walks of life. Let the gladiators fight, you don't need to like them.

I mostly agree. I don't want a pedophile on my team, but I know that your statement wasn't meant to be all inclusive, that it was more to the point of the current discussion. I don't mind if Geno is our QB. My disagreement with his behavior is strictly a personal issue that has nothing to do with his status as a Seahawk.

Russell Wilson, loved him as our QB, but I am over him. Not because of how he left and who is at fault and all that. He simply is not a Seahawk anymore. He is only another guy who is interesting like Mike Trout, Bill Gates, or Madonna (maybe she's not a guy).

Precisely. Who gives a rip how he left or if he left behind friends or enemies in the locker room? Except as it applies to the Bronco's W/L record in the 2022 season, which has some serious implications for us do to the draft picks we are owed, I couldn't give a rip how well or poorly our former QB performs.

[Old but Slow]

Agreed, RiverDog, and I would like to include the remark about pedophilia. To me I covered it as cruelty. Pedophilia, rape and most domestic violence is based in cruelty in my mind. Cruelty and power.

[Hawktawk]

Once again , people can sit on here and Rip Pete over and over but lay off saint Russ . Breaking news today it was actually Russ who pushed for Schottie to be fired despite his glowing comments about Schottie after it happened . No big though . Probably a lie Russ tells the truth always .
Comments just a few days ago deliberately repeating city vs team that really P1ssed off a lot of fans but don’t share it here . We’re nice to Russ , nobody else including a 45 year fan speaking my mind .

You people want to lay down for the charades go at it . I’ve been figuring it out for quite a while now. Addition by subtraction . Can’t wait for the first crushing hit on him in their ridiculous donkey uniforms . Bring it on .

[RiverDog]

Once again , people can sit on here and Rip Pete over and over but lay off saint Russ . Breaking news today it was actually Russ who pushed for Schottie to be fired despite his glowing comments about Schottie after it happened . No big though . Probably a lie Russ tells the truth always .
Comments just a few days ago deliberately repeating city vs team that really P1ssed off a lot of fans but don’t share it here . We’re nice to Russ , nobody else including a 45 year fan speaking my mind .

You people want to lay down for the charades go at it . I’ve been figuring it out for quite a while now. Addition by subtraction . Can’t wait for the first crushing hit on him in their ridiculous donkey uniforms . Bring it on .

First of all, who's ripping on Pete? It's not me. Secondly, what's the thread title, and who started it? Did you start it with the expectation that all comments would be positive?

[Aseahawkfan]

Maybe my experience helps me understand Genos situation a bit . Like a cop who advises someone they have the right to remain silent then engages in small talk to elicit some response they can write in their notes to further incriminate the person . That’s where the small d@ck syndrome crack came from and I ain’t gonna lie I thought it was one of the funnier things I’ve heard a drunk say to a cop . Spare the lectures .

I say Genos teammates love him according to a respected veteran sideline reporter , how can he be an Ahole ? You plow over it like a bulldozer , circle back to a stupid drunk evening . Have at it . My guess is he’s more popular in that locker room than Hof franchise guy was on the way out the door .

My guess is you're wrong and Russell was extremely popular in the locker room. I've heard Tyler, DK, and many others speak highly of Russell including Carroll and John Schneider who used to speak very highly of him and still do.

You're one of the only people I've seen as a fan and especially in the profession of football speak poorly of Russell Wilson. You're like a guy howling at the moon.

Given the awards Russell wins for his character and all the ways he was good in his community and the offseason practices he organized with his WRs and any new WRs on the team, I would say your guess is pretty far off.

I've read a ton on Russell. Never heard of him getting DUIs. Or in any trouble. All I hear is him helping out his community, visiting sick children, taking care of his kids, and being a stand up guy who works hard and sets a great example for others. That's just what leaks to the press on occasion. I imagine there is a ton of positive he does that doesn't even make the press.

Hell, I even heard one of the local sports news guys quit to move to Denver to help Russell run his football camps for children in Denver. Jake Heaps is his name I think. He still thinks highly of Russell Wilson years after not being his football coach.

If Bobby Wagner didn't like Russell, why'd he go to Denver? He was the leader of the defense for years. If we cut Lockett or DK, I'd bet money they would have no problem playing with Russell again.

Now that Denver has a franchise QB again, probably be easier for them to sign free agents to Denver, especially receivers and TEs.

[Aseahawkfan]

Once again , people can sit on here and Rip Pete over and over but lay off saint Russ . Breaking news today it was actually Russ who pushed for Schottie to be fired despite his glowing comments about Schottie after it happened . No big though . Probably a lie Russ tells the truth always .
Comments just a few days ago deliberately repeating city vs team that really P1ssed off a lot of fans but don’t share it here . We’re nice to Russ , nobody else including a 45 year fan speaking my mind .

You people want to lay down for the charades go at it . I’ve been figuring it out for quite a while now. Addition by subtraction . Can’t wait for the first crushing hit on him in their ridiculous donkey uniforms . Bring it on .

I like Pete Carroll. Always will. No one is ripping on Carroll like you're ripping on Russ. Making it personal and just making things up about Russ that aren't even true.

[c_hawkbob]

Most people have more that two possible classifications for how they view people. It's only a few who view everyone as either a saint or a devil.

[Aseahawkfan]

I bet Riverdog could tell you no one defended Pete Carroll like I did when he first arrived in Seattle. Not many believed in him, but I did. He repaid my faith in him better than I could have ever imagined. I went back and forth with Riverdog and others claiming Pete couldn't cut it in the pros, calling him dishonest, and bagging on him for the USC rubbish. He kept on with his plan and I kept on supporting him. Carroll built Seattle into a team I didn't think we would ever see in Seattle including drafting the best Seattle QB to ever wear the uniform and building one of the best defenses of all time. Wish Carroll had been able to keep it all together better than he did, but it's hard to match that talent level that we had during those early years.

[RiverDog]

I bet Riverdog could tell you no one defended Pete Carroll like I did when he first arrived in Seattle. Not many believed in him, but I did. He repaid my faith in him better than I could have ever imagined. I went back and forth with Riverdog and others claiming Pete couldn't cut it in the pros, calling him dishonest, and bagging on him for the USC rubbish. He kept on with his plan and I kept on supporting him. Carroll built Seattle into a team I didn't think we would ever see in Seattle including drafting the best Seattle QB to ever wear the uniform and building one of the best defenses of all time. Wish Carroll had been able to keep it all together better than he did, but it's hard to match that talent level that we had during those early years.

I still think that it's very possible that Pete left USC for the Hawks due to the oncoming sanctions. He had other opportunities to get back into the NFL before the Seahawk job came open. I'm not going to go so far as to call him a liar as I don't have anything more than circumstantial evidence, but the circumstances alone leaves open the possibility that he was not completely forthcoming about the subject. No one but Pete will know for sure if it was true or not.

Having said that, I was wrong about him being able to cut it in the NFL, although I don't know if I was dead wrong. In 2010 when we hired Pete, I claimed that his rah-rah motivational style wouldn't work as well with older NFL players than it does with fresh from home Bambi's in the Woods types. That argument of mine was proven to be wrong. However, it may have been a factor in the team's losing confidence in him beginning in 2015 after that devastating loss in SB49, particularly with players on his defense, ie Bennett, Sherman, Thomas, et al.

As far as my having said anything personal against Pete that would equate with what HT has been saying about Russell, no, I have never said anything that could even remotely be construed as a personal attack against Pete and always framed my criticism of him as being about his managerial style and that he and John have, in the past, demonstrated a bit of arrogance regarding their approach to the draft and their overconfidence in their system. Remarks like those don't come anywhere close to calling Russ a diva, a little emperor, King Russ, etc.

[Hawktawk]

Most people have more that two possible classifications for how they view people. It's only a few who view everyone as either a saint or a devil.

and I’m not that guy either . Just a bit more off center on the topic then most . Russels a good guy , was a great player , great . In the teammate sense lately ? I don’t think so . Consideration for his sheeple fans who doted on him for 10 seasons ? Zero minus . He’s got serious issues with his game I expect Pete to at least attempt to exploit Sept 12. So will everyone else .


Genos not a terrible person . I don’t think he’s an Ahole as a lifestyle but he’s had his moments . He’s no great qb either but he played starter quality ball in his 13 quarters including some eye opening stats within the stats which is how he got in the competition . An argument from half a year ago I won going away but I’m the only guy who ever eats any crow . He is reportedly according to Michelle Tafoya “ universally loved “ by his teammates . ( that means all River )

I think that’s important if you’re starting over . Something still tells me it will be Lock in the end but I think there would be some satisfaction watching Geno win on MNF and humiliate the Donkey dream team . I read another report that Seattle is still quite interested in Mayfield and would possibly extend him
so who knows .
Gonna trust Pete . It’s all we got .

[Aseahawkfan]

and I’m not that guy either . Just a bit more off center on the topic then most . Russels a good guy , was a great player , great . In the teammate sense lately ? I don’t think so . Consideration for his sheeple fans who doted on him for 10 seasons ? Zero minus . He’s got serious issues with his game I expect Pete to at least attempt to exploit Sept 12. So will everyone else .


Genos not a terrible person . I don’t think he’s an Ahole as a lifestyle but he’s had his moments . He’s no great qb either but he played starter quality ball in his 13 quarters including some eye opening stats within the stats which is how he got in the competition . An argument from half a year ago I won going away but I’m the only guy who ever eats any crow . He is reportedly according to Michelle Tafoya “ universally loved “ by his teammates . ( that means all River )

I think that’s important if you’re starting over . Something still tells me it will be Lock in the end but I think there would be some satisfaction watching Geno win on MNF and humiliate the Donkey dream team . I read another report that Seattle is still quite interested in Mayfield and would possibly extend him
so who knows .
Gonna trust Pete . It’s all we got .

This "sheeple" crap is tiresome. You create some lying rubbish, then anyone who disagrees with you is a "sheeple'? It's ridiculous.

Pete is certainly not all we got. Seahawks were here before Pete, they'll be here long after Pete as long as they don't get sold to a scumbag. That's my main concern at this point. Players and coaches come and go, but the Seahawks need to stay in Seattle when it's all said and done. I'll be happier when the Seahawks are sold to an ownership group as committed to their success and staying in Seattle as Paul Allen was. If that is Jodi leading a new ownership group, cool. If it is some other billionaire loving football group with Kam or something, cool. But that is more my concern in the coming years. Not knowing when Seattle will get sold concerns me.

[RiverDog]

Genos not a terrible person . I don’t think he’s an Ahole as a lifestyle but he’s had his moments . He’s no great qb either but he played starter quality ball in his 13 quarters including some eye opening stats within the stats which is how he got in the competition . An argument from half a year ago I won going away but I’m the only guy who ever eats any crow . He is reportedly according to Michelle Tafoya “ universally loved “ by his teammates . ( that means all River )

I think that’s important if you’re starting over . Something still tells me it will be Lock in the end but I think there would be some satisfaction watching Geno win on MNF and humiliate the Donkey dream team . I read another report that Seattle is still quite interested in Mayfield and would possibly extend him
so who knows .
Gonna trust Pete . It’s all we got .

Well, at least you made it through a post without somehow mentioning or referencing Russell Wilson. That's a start.

As far as Geno's being a great locker room guy, I have no way of knowing. There's obviously a pretty big leadership void with the departure of two long time veterans and potential HOF'ers, so I would imagine that the team is looking for a leader, that there's a void. But regardless of which players are currently popular, it's relatively easy to be a team leader in the locker room this time of year. But what separates the wheat from the chaff is when the whistle blows and they start playing for keeps, particularly if the team struggles and begins to encounter some adversity.

I don't know Geno so I really don't know what he's like in person. All I can say is that what he said to the cops then not issuing some sort of apology or explanation is an action that one would expect of an A-hole.

[Hawktawk]

and I’m not that guy either . Just a bit more off center on the topic then most . Russels a good guy , was a great player , great . In the teammate sense lately ? I don’t think so . Consideration for his sheeple fans who doted on him for 10 seasons ? Zero minus . He’s got serious issues with his game I expect Pete to at least attempt to exploit Sept 12. So will everyone else .


Genos not a terrible person . I don’t think he’s an Ahole as a lifestyle but he’s had his moments . He’s no great qb either but he played starter quality ball in his 13 quarters including some eye opening stats within the stats which is how he got in the competition . An argument from half a year ago I won going away but I’m the only guy who ever eats any crow . He is reportedly according to Michelle Tafoya “ universally loved “ by his teammates . ( that means all River )

I think that’s important if you’re starting over . Something still tells me it will be Lock in the end but I think there would be some satisfaction watching Geno win on MNF and humiliate the Donkey dream team . I read another report that Seattle is still quite interested in Mayfield and would possibly extend him
so who knows .
Gonna trust Pete . It’s all we got .

This "sheeple" crap is tiresome. You create some lying rubbish, then anyone who disagrees with you is a "sheeple'? It's ridiculous.

Pete is certainly not all we got. Seahawks were here before Pete, they'll be here long after Pete as long as they don't get sold to a scumbag. That's my main concern at this point. Players and coaches come and go, but the Seahawks need to stay in Seattle when it's all said and done. I'll be happier when the Seahawks are sold to an ownership group as committed to their success and staying in Seattle as Paul Allen was. If that is Jodi leading a new ownership group, cool. If it is some other billionaire loving football group with Kam or something, cool. But that is more my concern in the coming years. Not knowing when Seattle will get sold concerns me.

You have called me a liar , a low class person , half the character of Russell Wilson . What is the lying rubbish you sheeple are so upset about ? My hyperbolic description too harsh for you?
Maybe some are . Some aren’t . Little dictator . What do you call a guy who got Schottie fired after throwing 40 TDs then saying “ he’s a great coach , we scored lots of points , he will be a HC someday ? Coach killer ? Dishonest ? Do I have a right to be pissed about a guy who welched on his contract , won 3 playoff games in 8 years and left to go to a city that knows how to win? Who made clear it’s either me or Pete . Working 16 hour days it sits very poorly a man who made 35 million , announced it in a selfie in bed but don’t call him an attention craver and now he’s still relitigating the trade months later to fit his narrative he didn’t ask for it . He’s a diva. No retraction . His game is in a rut . I suspect the dream team will be looking for the flight data recorder. Russ is still very good . He’s no longer great .


Is that worse than you calling me a low moral person . I have been on the Seahawks forum 21 years and have never taken as many ad hominem insults from anyone but you on the sports side . What is lying rubbish is your description of me . You couldn’t be more wrong . About me and about certain aspects of your opinions on another subject . But I may disagree but I don’t call you names unless sheeple upsets you too much . And river your up there a few posts earlier taking about how Pete might have lied about why he left USC . Mmmhh. I mention anything negative about Russ and get a tongue lashing but you say crap like that .

I’ve been here 21 years but if you want me to take my views elsewhere your doing a good job .

[obiken]

But I may disagree but I don’t call you names unless sheeple upsets you too much . And river your up there a few posts earlier taking about how Pete might have lied about why he left USC . Mmmhh. I mention anything negative about Russ and get a tongue lashing but you say crap like that .
I’ve been here 21 years but if you want me to take my views elsewhere your doing a good job .

HT IF he said that he is outta line. You are a decent, intelligent poster, who I think is out to lunch and totally delusional. However, IF we win 8 games this year it may be us that are off base. IF we do, I will be the first to say you da man and I was wrong!

[Aseahawkfan]

You have called me a liar , a low class person , half the character of Russell Wilson . What is the lying rubbish you sheeple are so upset about ? My hyperbolic description too harsh for you?
Maybe some are . Some aren’t . Little dictator . What do you call a guy who got Schottie fired after throwing 40 TDs then saying “ he’s a great coach , we scored lots of points , he will be a HC someday ? Coach killer ? Dishonest ? Do I have a right to be pissed about a guy who welched on his contract , won 3 playoff games in 8 years and left to go to a city that knows how to win? Who made clear it’s either me or Pete . Working 16 hour days it sits very poorly a man who made 35 million , announced it in a selfie in bed but don’t call him an attention craver and now he’s still relitigating the trade months later to fit his narrative he didn’t ask for it . He’s a diva. No retraction . His game is in a rut . I suspect the dream team will be looking for the flight data recorder. Russ is still very good . He’s no longer great .


Is that worse than you calling me a low moral person . I have been on the Seahawks forum 21 years and have never taken as many ad hominem insults from anyone but you on the sports side . What is lying rubbish is your description of me . You couldn’t be more wrong . About me and about certain aspects of your opinions on another subject . But I may disagree but I don’t call you names unless sheeple upsets you too much . And river your up there a few posts earlier taking about how Pete might have lied about why he left USC . Mmmhh. I mention anything negative about Russ and get a tongue lashing but you say crap like that .

I’ve been here 21 years but if you want me to take my views elsewhere your doing a good job .

You have no trouble referring to Russ in negative ways when you don't even know the guy. Or other people. Obiken must not follow your posts too closely to see how many times you've stepped over the line insulting Russ or anyone you disagree with or dislike in tiresome ways without even knowing these people. You even took shots at Russ's personal life, while at the same time vociferously defending a player who got a DUI. So you do call people names, all the time. Now you don't want to own it? You want to pretend you don't? And you wonder why I question your honesty.

You've even low level physically threatened me with your talk of, "I'm 6'2" and I'm a big guy. If you met me, you wouldn't talk to me that way." I don't complain about that because I don't care.

And the reason I don't go back and forth with Riverdog over the Pete Carroll speculation is because Riverdog and I did that when Pete first arrived 12 years ago. I thought Riverdog was wrong then and I think he's wrong now. We went back and forth and back and forth 12 years ago. You may have forgotten those forum debates, but I have not. Riverdog was proven quite wrong and I was quite right about Pete Carroll. The proof took about five years to reach because proof of such assertions doesn't happen quickly. You don't much have to say, "Well, you were wrong about Pete Riverdog" because it's obvious at this point. Hell, I was told Pete wasn't going to be a good defensive coach at one point and that is just laughable now. I already spent my time defending Pete. I was well rewarded even though it took some years to be proven right.

Just like it will take some years to see Russ is going to be just fine. By that time, it won't even be worth bringing up again because the truth of Russ doing well will be obvious and irrefutable.

Don't act like some kind of victim when you know what you did. You know what you were calling people. It seems you get called out for calling people names and questioning their character as you have done with Russ, you go into victim mode like calling you names is somehow wrong, but you calling Russ names, questioning his character, and taking shots at public figures you don't know is somehow ok. I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. So don't pretend you don't call people names because you do. You have done it with Russ for quite a while now. It seems you don't like it when someone does it to you, but somehow it's ok when it is some public figure you don't know or like. I don't consider it ok then either unless it's a man who calls other people names and invites it on himself like he who will not name in this part of the forum.

I only return in kind what you deliver to others like Russ. I never much bothered you when you stuck to Russ's football ability other than to counter with Russ's statistics and abilities. But once you go off the rails and start talking smack about Russ on a personal level, that's when I gotta return to you in kind your vitriol. Russ don't deserve that kind of criticism or character questioning rubbish.

It would be nice if posters like obiken would remember how much you have crossed a line criticizing Russ in an extremely personal way you have no knowledge of whatsoever and know that you got what you deserved in return criticism. So that victim card you're playing right now may play with some posters not paying much attention to your posts, but I know what you were doing and I answered it because I don't want to hear personal attacks on Russ's character. You've backed off on those mostly. So have I. But don't pretend you didn't make those attacks and cross the line with your criticism of Russ.

Sheeple is a fairly minor insult from you. Just another one of your argument methods to dismiss others opinions by making them seem like mindless sheep even when we have all provided with you with clear statistical evidence far superior to what you have to provided in support of Geno to counter your arguments that you continue to ignore like Geno going 1-2 while in your words playing great football. Or Russ going 4-2 and matching Geno's three game stat total in a single game against Detroit. You just ignore it all to push your anti-Russ narrative. And you call us sheeple.

[Aseahawkfan]

HT IF he said that he is outta line. You are a decent, intelligent poster, who I think is out to lunch and totally delusional. However, IF we win 8 games this year it may be us that are off base. IF we do, I will be the first to say you da man and I was wrong!

You must have really ignored all the personal attacks Hawktawk was making on Russ. I crossed the same line Hawktawk crossed with Russ. No more, no less.

I like Russ. I'll never apologize or feel bad for liking Russ. He seems like a real quality human being to me. I hope he never disappoints in that regard and so far ten years into his career, he has not.

If Hawktawk thinks it's ok to call Russ a liar, some kind of tyrant, a narcissist, call him checked out, a diva, and too interested in celebrity and all the rubbish personal shots he's taken at Russ, then he can accept similar criticism in kind. If you can take those kind of shots at at a public figure, then you can take it when someone else calls you the same names, right?

[RiverDog]

And the reason I don't go back and forth with Riverdog over the Pete Carroll speculation is because Riverdog and I did that when Pete first arrived 12 years ago. I thought Riverdog was wrong then and I think he's wrong now. We went back and forth and back and forth 12 years ago. You may have forgotten those forum debates, but I have not. Riverdog was proven quite wrong and I was quite right about Pete Carroll. The proof took about five years to reach because proof of such assertions doesn't happen quickly. You don't much have to say, "Well, you were wrong about Pete Riverdog" because it's obvious at this point. Hell, I was told Pete wasn't going to be a good defensive coach at one point and that is just laughable now. I already spent my time defending Pete. I was well rewarded even though it took some years to be proven right.

I was proven wrong about Pete Carroll...sort of. I was very wrong about his ability to build a SB contender in a relatively short period of time, perhaps the biggest error in judgment that I've made on this forum. However, I was not proven wrong about his motivation for taking the job, nor was I proven right. It's impossible to prove one way or another. I also feel that although I was initially wrong about Pete's management style being effective in the NFL environment, it does appear that it may have had something to do with his failure to hold things together after the loss in SB49.

I also want to qualify my remarks as just an opinion. At no time have I claimed my POV to be factual, rather that it is based on good evidence.

[Aseahawkfan]

I was proven wrong about Pete Carroll...sort of. I was very wrong about his ability to build a SB contender in a relatively short period of time, perhaps the biggest error in judgment that I've made on this forum. However, I was not proven wrong about his motivation for taking the job, nor was I proven right. It's impossible to prove one way or another. I also feel that although I was initially wrong about Pete's management style being effective in the NFL environment, it does appear that it may have had something to do with his failure to hold things together after the loss in SB49.

I also want to qualify my remarks as just an opinion. At no time have I claimed my POV to be factual, rather that it is based on good evidence.

I didn't think there was good evidence myself. No use in rehashing it as we had pages on the debate as usual.

Carroll was at USC 9 years. I read the USC report and the majority of it had to do with Reggie Bush who did the majority of his rule breaking away from campus where it was difficult to monitor. USC received sanctions not just for their football program, but for their basketball and swimming program. It was a wide reaching investigation. Pete had already reached the pinnacle of college success. I don't see why he wouldn't have been motivated to try the methods he perfected in college in the NFL.

You even thought his defensive coaching was outdated and wouldn't succeed in the NFL. You weren't alone of course. Pete more than proved he could coach defense at the NFL level.

Carroll was and is an elite coach. I'm not sure what happened between him and Russ, but it sucks that it all had to end like this. It just seems like the final nail from that terrible Super Bowl loss was put in the coffin with Russ an Bobby gone. Maybe that is what this team needed to move on to the next phase. I guess we'll see.

[RiverDog]

I was proven wrong about Pete Carroll...sort of. I was very wrong about his ability to build a SB contender in a relatively short period of time, perhaps the biggest error in judgment that I've made on this forum. However, I was not proven wrong about his motivation for taking the job, nor was I proven right. It's impossible to prove one way or another. I also feel that although I was initially wrong about Pete's management style being effective in the NFL environment, it does appear that it may have had something to do with his failure to hold things together after the loss in SB49.

I also want to qualify my remarks as just an opinion. At no time have I claimed my POV to be factual, rather that it is based on good evidence.

I didn't think there was good evidence myself. No use in rehashing it as we had pages on the debate as usual.

Carroll was at USC 9 years. I read the USC report and the majority of it had to do with Reggie Bush who did the majority of his rule breaking away from campus where it was difficult to monitor. USC received sanctions not just for their football program, but for their basketball and swimming program. It was a wide reaching investigation. Pete had already reached the pinnacle of college success. I don't see why he wouldn't have been motivated to try the methods he perfected in college in the NFL.

You even thought his defensive coaching was outdated and wouldn't succeed in the NFL. You weren't alone of course. Pete more than proved he could coach defense at the NFL level.

Carroll was and is an elite coach. I'm not sure what happened between him and Russ, but it sucks that it all had to end like this. It just seems like the final nail from that terrible Super Bowl loss was put in the coffin with Russ an Bobby gone. Maybe that is what this team needed to move on to the next phase. I guess we'll see.

I don't recall saying that Pete's defense was outdated. My major concern was his management style, that it was suited for the younger, more naive player vs. the experienced, been there/done that older player. But, like you say, there's no sense in debating it. I was, for the most part, wrong in that assessment.

[Hawktawk]

You have called me a liar , a low class person , half the character of Russell Wilson . What is the lying rubbish you sheeple are so upset about ? My hyperbolic description too harsh for you?
Maybe some are . Some aren’t . Little dictator . What do you call a guy who got Schottie fired after throwing 40 TDs then saying “ he’s a great coach , we scored lots of points , he will be a HC someday ? Coach killer ? Dishonest ? Do I have a right to be pissed about a guy who welched on his contract , won 3 playoff games in 8 years and left to go to a city that knows how to win? Who made clear it’s either me or Pete . Working 16 hour days it sits very poorly a man who made 35 million , announced it in a selfie in bed but don’t call him an attention craver and now he’s still relitigating the trade months later to fit his narrative he didn’t ask for it . He’s a diva. No retraction . His game is in a rut . I suspect the dream team will be looking for the flight data recorder. Russ is still very good . He’s no longer great .


Is that worse than you calling me a low moral person . I have been on the Seahawks forum 21 years and have never taken as many ad hominem insults from anyone but you on the sports side . What is lying rubbish is your description of me . You couldn’t be more wrong . About me and about certain aspects of your opinions on another subject . But I may disagree but I don’t call you names unless sheeple upsets you too much . And river your up there a few posts earlier taking about how Pete might have lied about why he left USC . Mmmhh. I mention anything negative about Russ and get a tongue lashing but you say crap like that .

I’ve been here 21 years but if you want me to take my views elsewhere your doing a good job .

You have no trouble referring to Russ in negative ways when you don't even know the guy. Or other people. Obiken must not follow your posts too closely to see how many times you've stepped over the line insulting Russ or anyone you disagree with or dislike in tiresome ways without even knowing these people. You even took shots at Russ's personal life, while at the same time vociferously defending a player who got a DUI. So you do call people names, all the time. Now you don't want to own it? You want to pretend you don't? And you wonder why I question your honesty.

You've even low level physically threatened me with your talk of, "I'm 6'2" and I'm a big guy. If you met me, you wouldn't talk to me that way." I don't complain about that because I don't care.

And the reason I don't go back and forth with Riverdog over the Pete Carroll speculation is because Riverdog and I did that when Pete first arrived 12 years ago. I thought Riverdog was wrong then and I think he's wrong now. We went back and forth and back and forth 12 years ago. You may have forgotten those forum debates, but I have not. Riverdog was proven quite wrong and I was quite right about Pete Carroll. The proof took about five years to reach because proof of such assertions doesn't happen quickly. You don't much have to say, "Well, you were wrong about Pete Riverdog" because it's obvious at this point. Hell, I was told Pete wasn't going to be a good defensive coach at one point and that is just laughable now. I already spent my time defending Pete. I was well rewarded even though it took some years to be proven right.

Just like it will take some years to see Russ is going to be just fine. By that time, it won't even be worth bringing up again because the truth of Russ doing well will be obvious and irrefutable.

Don't act like some kind of victim when you know what you did. You know what you were calling people. It seems you get called out for calling people names and questioning their character as you have done with Russ, you go into victim mode like calling you names is somehow wrong, but you calling Russ names, questioning his character, and taking shots at public figures you don't know is somehow ok. I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. So don't pretend you don't call people names because you do. You have done it with Russ for quite a while now. It seems you don't like it when someone does it to you, but somehow it's ok when it is some public figure you don't know or like. I don't consider it ok then either unless it's a man who calls other people names and invites it on himself like he who will not name in this part of the forum.

I only return in kind what you deliver to others like Russ. I never much bothered you when you stuck to Russ's football ability other than to counter with Russ's statistics and abilities. But once you go off the rails and start talking smack about Russ on a personal level, that's when I gotta return to you in kind your vitriol. Russ don't deserve that kind of criticism or character questioning rubbish.

It would be nice if posters like obiken would remember how much you have crossed a line criticizing Russ in an extremely personal way you have no knowledge of whatsoever and know that you got what you deserved in return criticism. So that victim card you're playing right now may play with some posters not paying much attention to your posts, but I know what you were doing and I answered it because I don't want to hear personal attacks on Russ's character. You've backed off on those mostly. So have I. But don't pretend you didn't make those attacks and cross the line with your criticism of Russ.

Sheeple is a fairly minor insult from you. Just another one of your argument methods to dismiss others opinions by making them seem like mindless sheep even when we have all provided with you with clear statistical evidence far superior to what you have to provided in support of Geno to counter your arguments that you continue to ignore like Geno going 1-2 while in your words playing great football. Or Russ going 4-2 and matching Geno's three game stat total in a single game against Detroit. You just ignore it all to push your anti-Russ narrative. And you call us sheeple

You’re the most verbally abusive poster on the forum towards me . I’m a member of the forum . Russ is a public figure making 35 million spreading lies about why he’s in Denver . I’m allowed to respond . If he pops off about a winning city or a story breaks within the week about him pushing out Schottie I’ll vent . If you don’t like it oh well . I’ve never threatened you unless saying you wouldn’t say I’m a low class dirtbag low morale lying rumormonger to my face is a threat . Maybe you would but I doubt it internet tough guy . That it a fact or maybe you would talk to people like that in person but I doubt it .

You’re responsible for your words . It’s a god damn Seahawks forum. I rooted for Russ 10 years. Bought his jerseys . He’s fair game like every other Seahawks player or in the case of Russ deserter went to a winning city .
And I’m entitled to my views with out a lecture . Sept 12 can’t come soon enough to start assessing this trade. In the meantime HT will feel how he feels and shake his head as all the people still bowing at the feet of st Russ who abandoned them .they think it was Pete’s idea . I truly feel Sorry for them . As for you keep it to the facts . Any more personal insults we won’t be communicating anymore .

[Aseahawkfan]

You’re the most verbally abusive poster on the forum towards me . I’m a member of the forum . Russ is a public figure making 35 million spreading lies about why he’s in Denver . I’m allowed to respond . If he pops off about a winning city or a story breaks within the week about him pushing out Schottie I’ll vent . If you don’t like it oh well . I’ve never threatened you unless saying you wouldn’t say I’m a low class dirtbag low morale lying rumormonger to my face is a threat . Maybe you would but I doubt it internet tough guy . That it a fact or maybe you would talk to people like that in person but I doubt it .

You’re responsible for your words . It’s a god damn Seahawks forum. I rooted for Russ 10 years. Bought his jerseys . He’s fair game like every other Seahawks player or in the case of Russ deserter went to a winning city .
And I’m entitled to my views with out a lecture . Sept 12 can’t come soon enough to start assessing this trade. In the meantime HT will feel how he feels and shake his head as all the people still bowing at the feet of st Russ who abandoned them .they think it was Pete’s idea . I truly feel Sorry for them . As for you keep it to the facts . Any more personal insults we won’t be communicating anymore .

Oh, what you would find out if we met. I might actually see you piss yourself. It would make me chuckle. I talk the same way I do on a forum or if you meet me face to face. I do not change. There's a reason for that, but it's not much use talking about it on the internet.

You should notice I don't call you stupid names like sheeple. I am very specific based on the opposing poster's words. I'm very specific with people based on their actions and words as well. It's just my nature. I don't like bombastic garbage or attacks on public figures because someone thinks they don't need manners when speaking of a public figure. I'm sorry if I don't share your belief that public figures deserve to get called tons of names or vitriol towards them, but I don't like it. I push back against it when I hear it face to face too, usually with politicians but sometimes with athletes. Criticize football ability all you want, leave out the personal attacks and things you wouldn't know a damn thing about to your private thoughts or conversations if you don't want to get called out.

If you stick to football with Russ, I don't mind. It is a public forum based on football. If you take it to another level insulting people personally, then you open yourself up the same, buddy. If you can't take it, then adjust your words to be more respectful.

[obiken]

[/quote]I don't recall saying that Pete's defense was outdated. My major concern was his management style, that it was suited for the younger, more naive player vs. the experienced, been there/done that older player. But, like you say, there's no sense in debating it. I was, for the most part, wrong in that assessment.[/quote]

Your defensive coaches are all outdated right now River, the scheme doesnt really matter. Thats why the Fins paid as much for Hill as you would for a FC QB.

[obiken]

If you stick to football with Russ, I don't mind. It is a public forum based on football. If you take it to another level insulting people personally, then you open yourself up the same, buddy. If you can't take it, then adjust your words to be more respectful.

ASHF, I share you love of Russ ,and HT is going to find out how valuable he really is/was. However, just because I insult Trump, (who I think is a mutant dog from hell.) doesnt give a Trump supporter the right to insult me. One is a public figure, the other attack is personal. Time will tell whether HT is a FB genius, or just out to lunch. I think it will be the latter!

[Aseahawkfan]

ASHF, I share you love of Russ ,and HT is going to find out how valuable he really is/was. However, just because I insult Trump, (who I think is a mutant dog from hell.) doesnt give a Trump supporter the right to insult me. One is a public figure, the other attack is personal. Time will tell whether HT is a FB genius, or just out to lunch. I think it will be the latter!

Trump invites insults and I don't care if people go after him. He's low class and low character who takes himself and others into the gutter. If you go into the gutter to start with, then you can't be much offended when others follow you down.

Russ is not that way. Russ always takes the high road. Speaks well of others. He doesn't deserve the personal hate. And the football analysis, I don't care about. Critics been claiming Russ is going to fail for his entire career due to his height or whatever. They dissect his game. They claim he can't do this or he can't do that. Someday they'll be right, but not right now. Russ has more years of being Russ in him.

Pete isn't that way either. I would never dream of speaking of Pete in the way Hawktawk speaks of Russ. Pete is a really good man. I've read on his programs to help communities improve themselves and cut down on gang violence. I've never read of Pete a single time bribing or offering money or bringing agents to his players. The only accusation is he wasn't watching close enough. Pete is always helping people, looking out for his players as much as he can, and wants to see people succeed. That's why he brought back some of his players as coaches. He always speaks highly of players and never throws anyone under the bus in public even if they are mad at him for aggressive contract negotiations.

I'm unhappy with Pete and John for very specific reasons: losing their way in the talent acquisition process what I call Pete getting "Shiny toy disease." Other than I think the rest is fine. His schemes, his coaching style, his ideas. They all work. He needs to get back to evaluating talent like he did when he first arrived. As far as Pete personally, great guy who carries himself well and represents the team well. If Pete Carroll never wins another Super Bowl, he's already accomplished so much in his life he'll be remembered a long time after he leaves the game, especially in Seattle.

[RiverDog]

Trump invites insults and I don't care if people go after him. He's low class and low character who takes himself and others into the gutter. If you go into the gutter to start with, then you can't be much offended when others follow you down.

Russ is not that way. Russ always takes the high road. Speaks well of others. He doesn't deserve the personal hate. And the football analysis, I don't care about. Critics been claiming Russ is going to fail for his entire career due to his height or whatever. They dissect his game. They claim he can't do this or he can't do that. Someday they'll be right, but not right now. Russ has more years of being Russ in him.

Pete isn't that way either. I would never dream of speaking of Pete in the way [i]Hawktawk[/b] speaks of Russ. Pete is a really good man. I've read on his programs to help communities improve themselves and cut down on gang violence. I've never read of Pete a single time bribing or offering money or bringing agents to his players. The only accusation is he wasn't watching close enough. Pete is always helping people, looking out for his players as much as he can, and wants to see people succeed. That's why he brought back some of his players as coaches. He always speaks highly of players and never throws anyone under the bus in public even if they are mad at him for aggressive contract negotiations.

I'm unhappy with Pete and John for very specific reasons: losing their way in the talent acquisition process what I call Pete getting "Shiny toy disease." Other than I think the rest is fine. His schemes, his coaching style, his ideas. They all work. He needs to get back to evaluating talent like he did when he first arrived. As far as Pete personally, great guy who carries himself well and represents the team well. If Pete Carroll never wins another Super Bowl, he's already accomplished so much in his life he'll be remembered a long time after he leaves the game, especially in Seattle.

That's pretty much how I feel. I get the sense that both Pete and Russell are good guys in person. Neither of them has said or done anything that would cause me to think otherwise, at least nothing that I'm aware of, and like you said, both have done their fair share of giving back to the community. That doesn't mean that I won't ever "rag" on Pete. Even when both lied about the trade, I sort of made an excuse for them by noting that even a no comment would have sent the press into a tizzy and that there weren't any good options for telling the truth.

[Hawktawk]

The difference is Russel keeps the story alive with his comments about wanting to go to a winning city . That was this week in the sane sentence as saying he didn’t ask for the trade :,he keeps it alive knowing his words matter because he likes being the center of attention .

The leak about Schottie being fired due to Russels pressure was probably leaked by the organization . This wasn’t an amicable divorce and these statements and leaks to win the pr war prove it . I wouldn’t want a co worker like Wilson , I’m sure of that . I’d like to have had a coach like Pete though .

[RiverDog]

The difference is Russel keeps the story alive with his comments about wanting to go to a winning city.

Your interpretation of that statement shows your bias. How do you know that he meant that Seattle didn't want to win? Why couldn't he have meant it as a compliment to Denver, that he didn't want to go to a team like the Jets or Lions? Denver has one of the most dedicated and passionate fan bases in the league, so it would make perfect sense that Russell or any other player would want to play there vs. some place like Arizona, that can't even sell out a playoff game if not for the help of opposition fans.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="Aseahawkfan"]You’re the most verbally abusive poster on the forum towards me . I’m a member of the forum . Russ is a public figure making 35 million spreading lies about why he’s in Denver . I’m allowed to respond . If he pops off about a winning city or a story breaks within the week about him pushing out Schottie I’ll vent . If you don’t like it oh well . I’ve never threatened you unless saying you wouldn’t say I’m a low class dirtbag low morale lying rumormonger to my face is a threat . Maybe you would but I doubt it internet tough guy . That it a fact or maybe you would talk to people like that in person but I doubt it .

You’re responsible for your words . It’s a god damn Seahawks forum. I rooted for Russ 10 years. Bought his jerseys . He’s fair game like every other Seahawks player or in the case of Russ deserter went to a winning city .
And I’m entitled to my views with out a lecture . Sept 12 can’t come soon enough to start assessing this trade. In the meantime HT will feel how he feels and shake his head as all the people still bowing at the feet of st Russ who abandoned them .they think it was Pete’s idea . I truly feel Sorry for them . As for you keep it to the facts . Any more personal insults we won’t be communicating anymore .

“Oh, what you would find out if we met. I might actually see you piss yourself. It would make me chuckle. I talk the same way I do on a forum or if you meet me face to face. I do not change. There's a reason for that, but it's not much use talking about it on the internet.

You should notice I don't call you stupid names like sheeple. I am very specific based on the opposing poster's words. I'm very specific with people based on their actions and words as well. It's just my nature. I don't like bombastic garbage or attacks on public figures because someone thinks they don't need manners when speaking of a public figure. I'm sorry if I don't share your belief that public figures deserve to get called tons of names or vitriol towards them, but I don't like it. I push back against it when I hear it face to face too, usually with politicians but sometimes with athletes. Criticize football ability all you want, leave out the personal attacks and things you wouldn't know a damn thing about to your private thoughts or conversations if you don't want to get called out.

If you stick to football with Russ, I don't mind. It is a public forum based on football. If you take it to another level insulting people personally, then you open yourself up the same, buddy. If you can't take it, then adjust your words to be more respectful.”


Ok you don’t use stupid words like sheeple but low morals lying scumbag dirt bag rumor monger is fine with you and you want to lecture me on being respectful . Lmao do you understand how stupid that sounds ? . And I’m gonna wet myself if I meet the most powerful internet tough guy ever . You sound ridiculous . I won’t fall into your trap and get banned . I think you’re like me quite a bit in person but if not oh well . If I insult your precious choir boy I’m not sorry . Come on Sept 12 .

[Aseahawkfan]

Your interpretation of that statement shows your bias. How do you know that he meant that Seattle didn't want to win? Why couldn't he have meant it as a compliment to Denver, that he didn't want to go to a team like the Jets or Lions? Denver has one of the most dedicated and passionate fan bases in the league, so it would make perfect sense that Russell or any other player would want to play there vs. some place like Arizona, that can't even sell out a playoff game if not for the help of opposition fans.

Russ just building up the other fan base and getting them hyped. When he is interviewed in Seattle, he'll say how much he loves the fans here. Standard podium material.

I do think Russ will always have a soft spot for Seattle where he started and won a Super Bowl and became the great player that he is. We'll never hear hate for Seattle out of his mouth or I would be very surprised if he does.

I'm sure Hawktawk will always be looking for any negative he can grind on for whatever reason. Probably until most of next year at least. Even hawktawk will get over it at some point and move on as the new players will occupy his time and thought.

[RiverDog]

Russ just building up the other fan base and getting them hyped. When he is interviewed in Seattle, he'll say how much he loves the fans here. Standard podium material.

I do think Russ will always have a soft spot for Seattle where he started and won a Super Bowl and became the great player that he is. We'll never hear hate for Seattle out of his mouth or I would be very surprised if he does.

I'm sure Hawktawk will always be looking for any negative he can grind on for whatever reason. Probably until most of next year at least. Even hawktawk will get over it at some point and move on as the new players will occupy his time and thought.

That's one of the things about Russell's personality that had begun to wear on me. He was always talking in cliches, constantly trying to put lipstick on every pig on the farm, always saying something that made my eyes roll and I'd say to myself "yeah, right." I can remember Dave Krieg once in a post game interview when they asked him to comment about an interception he had thrown, and he said something like "Yea, I can imagine how many Hawk fans cussed me out after that one." That's not something that you'd ever hear Russell say.

Russell is a great guy and a truly decent human being, but if I had to choose between him and Krieg as to which one of them I'd want to work for, I'd opt for Krieg.

[Hawktawk]

Your interpretation of that statement shows your bias. How do you know that he meant that Seattle didn't want to win? Why couldn't he have meant it as a compliment to Denver, that he didn't want to go to a team like the Jets or Lions? Denver has one of the most dedicated and passionate fan bases in the league, so it would make perfect sense that Russell or any other player would want to play there vs. some place like Arizona, that can't even sell out a playoff game if not for the help of opposition fans.

Russ just building up the other fan base and getting them hyped. When he is interviewed in Seattle, he'll say how much he loves the fans here. Standard podium material.

I do think Russ will always have a soft spot for Seattle where he started and won a Super Bowl and became the great player that he is. We'll never hear hate for Seattle out of his mouth or I would be very surprised if he does.

I'm sure Hawktawk will always be looking for any negative he can grind on for whatever reason. Probably until most of next year at least. Even hawktawk will get over it at some point and move on as the new players will occupy his time and thought.

Can you and Riv get associated with reality on the “ winning city” comments ?

Russell is as media savvy as any man walking . He’s very intelligent , not stupid or naive . He knew damn good and well what he was saying and what it would create in the media which was an immediate Sh&tstorm covered by multiple outlets .

It was a calculated intentional press release to draw attention to himself and the hell with what Seattle and the 12s think . I don’t know if he’s got a soft spot for Seattle or not . I doubt it or he’d be here now . I don’t care .

I had a soft spot for him for most of 10 years of acrobatics and Houdini’s.

It’s over for me but I’m the fan who won’t forget it or ever pull for the guy ever again . I’ll actively root for denver losses as long as he’s there . I’m that fan . If he goes to a team that hasn’t been to the postseason in 5 years and pulls it off I’ll give him all the props in the world but I won’t ever cheer him again unless we need denver to beat someone . Just like Pittsburgh the last 17 years . I have a memory like an elephant . I won’t forget .

[Aseahawkfan]

That's one of the things about Russell's personality that had begun to wear on me. He was always talking in cliches, constantly trying to put lipstick on every pig on the farm, always saying something that made my eyes roll and I'd say to myself "yeah, right." I can remember Dave Krieg once in a post game interview when they asked him to comment about an interception he had thrown, and he said something like "Yea, I can imagine how many Hawk fans cussed me out after that one." That's not something that you'd ever hear Russell say.

Russell is a great guy and a truly decent human being, but if I had to choose between him and Krieg as to which one of them I'd want to work for, I'd opt for Krieg.

I'm used to boring athlete interviews at this point. Russ is better than most besides like a Sherm or Beast on occasion more as humor. In today's environment where you have Mike Florio's and the like trying to take whatever you say and twist it into something, you gotta be careful.

[NorthHawk]

Russ has always been that way. From day one and he’s still doing the same thing.
Like Pete, he’s always upbeat and sees the positives instead of the negatives.
That tends to wear on people but that’s how he’s wired.

[Hawktawk]

Russ has always been that way. From day one and he’s still doing the same thing.
Like Pete, he’s always upbeat and sees the positives instead of the negatives.
That tends to wear on people but that’s how he’s wired.

I've come to realize Russell doesn't ever accept responsibility for his own losses , his own mistakes. Thats how you put a positive spin on everything including playoff losses with picks and an offense than never lead in the entire game and you dwell on the almost comeback which he did several times post game in the season ender.

until you go 11-29 141 yards pick 6 in a dreadful listless performance facing the Rams then you got hit too much all of a sudden.

Thats not a positive.Not " i threw a pick 6, I sucked" That sort of self honestly would help Russ a lot but he wont go there.

Russ came to Seattle a fresh faced positive upbeat guy. A genuinely wonderful young man and incredible team first difference maker athlete.

He left a blame shifter Teflon man with very little similarity to who showed up in 2012 other than now hes back to the happy talk in his winning city, Wait till he gets hit too much and the phony act will wash off once again. Yeah I know give it a rest.I didn't call him bad names, just the truth as I see it these days.I have no idea what happened to him but hes not the same . Fame? Jaded? hit too much?
Pete and Russ have similarities in their style but one is a lot more genuine than the other. Ask Schottie.

[RiverDog]

Russ has always been that way. From day one and he’s still doing the same thing. Like Pete, he’s always upbeat and sees the positives instead of the negatives. That tends to wear on people but that’s how he’s wired.

I used to work for managers that had that same wiring that is ingrained into Pete and Russell's persona. They were physically overactive, couldn't stay in one spot for more than a few minutes, bounced around like a little kid on a sugar high. Upper management heavily favored those types of personalities as they felt that they were great motivators and did so at the expense of the guy that upon seeing you walk into his office, would put down his pen, lean back in his chair, put his feet on the desk and his hands behind his head, and shoot the chit with you. Especially as I got older, I came to resent the former style and appreciate the latter.

That's why Russell had begun to wear on me. It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what he's done for us, rather that he seemed to be a bit of a phony, preoccupied with his image, wanted to please everyone, said whatever it was that he thought his audience wanted to hear.

[NorthHawk]

I think he's just like Pete Carroll in that way and we saw how some of the players tuned him out near the end of their time here when things really started to go downhill.
Pete couldn't change his ways because like Wilson it's who they are. Being true to ones self isn't a negative, but others often can't relate and it gets tiring after a while.

[c_hawkbob]

I think Carroll and Wilson are kindred souls as well, they just disagree about the nuts and bolts of football.

[Hawktawk]

I’m curious pete and Russels relationship in real life . I know at least publicly Pete has praised Russ “
I probably wouldn’t have still been here without him . I don’t know obviously but I think everyone including Russ is pissed right now about how it went down . JS more then anyone since he took Rodgers f bombs for most of 2 years .

It was an odd end to the most successful era in Seahawks football . That’s for sure .