Pete’s quotes

[tarlhawk]

Its amazing some of the depth fans go to in being dismissive of a man seldom credited for the dramatic turnaround that this franchise has been experiencing since his arrival. Our team has a winning culture and you can hear it from a multitude of sources if you bother to listen. Recently Sean Desai via media conference said he was curious if all the winning culture talk surrounding Pete Carroll was real or slightly fabricated...but upon arrival and first coaching "get together" he found it very real and representative of Pete's reputation as a winning coach. Even our invited female coach who is here courtesy of an NFL program named after Bill Walsh was gushing with retelling her first impression and talk with Pete. An atmosphere which fosters bringing out the best in talent is highly valued by players and coaches alike but apparently some fans "know better" or at least express themselves that way.

[NorthHawk]

Neither one of us knows whether or not Pete has changed. I'm basing my opinion on this year's draft as it was a marked departure from the ones from the past 10 or so seasons. No trading down, no early reaches, emphasis on the OL and DL lines, didn't take a QB in a weak class. I always felt that Pete and John had a certain degree of arrogance about them, that they had their own, unique system, that the didn't need highly ranked players to make it work, that the system was better than the players in it. This draft seemed to indicate a change in their outlook, an admission that what they've been doing in the past wasn't working.

There were a couple of things different in this draft for us.
First we had/have a lot of holes so we absolutely needed to hit on the picks.
Second the tiers of the draft seemed to fall in our favor in that the positions we needed to fill had good players at the proper value.
Thirdly we absolutely needed to address the OT situation so we were forced to pick the remaining top rated OT no matter who it was.

If you look at the selections, there was said to be a large drop off in potential after Cross, after Walker, after Maif and after Lucas.
So trading down during a rebuild wouldn't have made any sense with so many holes to fill. If, however there were a couple of players at those same positions they had rated higher or as high (ie. the tier of talent was large), I think we would have
we probably would have traded down. JS said he had some opportunities to trade down, so the available talent must have been significantly less at positions of need for him to not gather more picks.

Later on there was some quality that had fallen so they were worth any risk at that point.
In essence what we needed for the rebuild was there for the taking when our position came up and not a change in philosopjy by Pete or JS.

[RiverDog]

Its amazing some of the depth fans go to in being dismissive of a man seldom credited for the dramatic turnaround that this franchise has been experiencing since his arrival. Our team has a winning culture and you can hear it from a multitude of sources if you bother to listen. Recently Sean Desai via media conference said he was curious if all the winning culture talk surrounding Pete Carroll was real or slightly fabricated...but upon arrival and first coaching "get together" he found it very real and representative of Pete's reputation as a winning coach. Even our invited female coach who is here courtesy of an NFL program named after Bill Walsh was gushing with retelling her first impression and talk with Pete. An atmosphere which fosters bringing out the best in talent is highly valued by players and coaches alike but apparently some fans "know better" or at least express themselves that way.

So specifically, just who is it that 'amazes' you or that you think feel as if they "know better" than the coach? Are you speaking to me? North Hawk? Aseahawkfan? Do you feel that your opinion is any more accurate or relevant than other forum members? Sorry, your a good poster with interesting takes, but I'm beginning to detect a bit of arrogance in your remarks.

This is an opinion forum. We are expressing our various points of view, nothing more, nothing less. It should not be interpeted as 'knowing more' than the head coach, GM, owner, etc.

[tarlhawk]

So specifically, just who is it that 'amazes' you ...but I'm beginning to detect a bit of arrogance in your remarks.

This is an opinion forum. We are expressing our various points of view, nothing more, nothing less. It should not be interpreted as 'knowing more' than the head coach, GM, owner, etc.

It shouldn't be interpreted as arrogance to appreciate the work of a coach to the point where I'll take exception to "those" who target him as some problem that the team must be "rid of". I did not address an individual because there are many...not just on this site. I did not profess those I have targeted in my remarks as "knowing better" than the Coach...but knowing better of when management should just go away.

I don't like attack postings so I'll apologize for any I quickly offended. I respect opinion as well...I've just been caught up by watching recent videos increasing my favorable opinion of the man burdened with the responsibility of keeping our football team relevant. Sorry Riv if it was your post that "triggered" my opinion of many...not you personally.

[Hawktawk]

So River are you saying Jodi should have fired PC and brought back Russ with a new young offensive minded coach? After having heard all the backstory about feuding, checking out?

Yes, I think Jody should have fired Pete, and done so before the end of the regular season. As far as Russell having 'checked out', that's your opinion based on a cherry picked, truncated quote that also said that Pete was equally to blame.

Cherry picked. It’s always your comeback when it doesn’t match your narrative this week Pete’s fault ? I don’t really care what a guy has done here , if I believe he took a single play off in my teams uniform for 35 million I have no respect whatsoever for the player and I believe it from the eyeball test and the actions on the sideline as well as public comments . You are the one sharing an article from 5 years ago stating he was splitting the team then , held to a different standard . Him publicly talking back when Pete would point out his mistakes that had led to losses . But I’m a hater . It’s been building since the 2016 loss to Atlanta and his flippant comments after . I’m no late comer . He brought enough to the table to be worth it but not anymore


I’m a blue collar supervision . Coach =boss . Player = employee . Shut up and do your job .

Russ has definitely lost me . If the forum is a bunch of Russ loving hawks trash talking anyone who bleeds Seahawk, not Russel I’m proud to stand relatively alone . Time will tell the wisdom of Pete and Johns decision both here and in Denver .

[Hawktawk]

So specifically, just who is it that 'amazes' you ...but I'm beginning to detect a bit of arrogance in your remarks.

This is an opinion forum. We are expressing our various points of view, nothing more, nothing less. It should not be interpreted as 'knowing more' than the head coach, GM, owner, etc.

It shouldn't be interpreted as arrogance to appreciate the work of a coach to the point where I'll take exception to "those" who target him as some problem that the team must be "rid of". I did not address an individual because there are many...not just on this site. I did not profess those I have targeted in my remarks as "knowing better" than the Coach...but knowing better of when management should just go away.

I don't like attack postings so I'll apologize for any I quickly offended. I respect opinion as well...I've just been caught up by watching recent videos increasing my favorable opinion of the man burdened with the responsibility of keeping our football team relevant. Sorry Riv if it was your post that "triggered" my opinion of many...not you personally.

But the same offended posters jump all over someone who has come to a different conclusion. tarihawk you are the most reasonable poster here. One of the most informative and knowledgeable as well. Keep doing what you’re doing . If we all agreed it would be boring . It’s odd getting jeered for feeling quite good about next year .
2 words . Beast Quake. I felt good enough to spend a grand to sit on the 50 at camera angle with my 13 year old son . It was the day the PC era really began . Yeah 7-9 Tjack but the team was better then the year before , almost twice as many as Holmgrens last year . Anyone who says the guy can’t coach is deluded . Tyler Polumbus was part of the convoy on beast quake and retired a donkey . He said of Drew who he’s not sure has the right stuff other than the arm and size “ he’s never had a coach like Pete Carroll “. Indeed. If he fixes lock we have our QBOTF on our roster right now . Wouldn’t that be something ?

[RiverDog]

So River are you saying Jodi should have fired PC and brought back Russ with a new young offensive minded coach? After having heard all the backstory about feuding, checking out?

Yes, I think Jody should have fired Pete, and done so before the end of the regular season. As far as Russell having 'checked out', that's your opinion based on a cherry picked, truncated quote that also said that Pete was equally to blame.

Cherry picked. It’s always your comeback when it doesn’t match your narrative this week.

Match my narrative? You're the one that said that Russell had "checked out". I didn't say that he didn't. What I said was that you are basing your opinion on a partial quote, that it also said that both parties contributed to the divide. Besides, there is ample evidence that he had ont. If Wilson did 'check out', as you claim, why would he rush back into action as quickly as he did, perhaps knowing that he was not at full health and that it would likely affect his personal metrics?

You are stating your opinion that Russell 'checked out' as if it were fact. It is not. It is your opinion....and you know what they say about opinions. It's like an ___hole. Everybody has one.

[Aseahawkfan]

Its amazing some of the depth fans go to in being dismissive of a man seldom credited for the dramatic turnaround that this franchise has been experiencing since his arrival. Our team has a winning culture and you can hear it from a multitude of sources if you bother to listen. Recently Sean Desai via media conference said he was curious if all the winning culture talk surrounding Pete Carroll was real or slightly fabricated...but upon arrival and first coaching "get together" he found it very real and representative of Pete's reputation as a winning coach. Even our invited female coach who is here courtesy of an NFL program named after Bill Walsh was gushing with retelling her first impression and talk with Pete. An atmosphere which fosters bringing out the best in talent is highly valued by players and coaches alike but apparently some fans "know better" or at least express themselves that way.

I'm still amazed people take shots at a QB who is obviously not done, not washed up, and has always been a team player, high character guy, and highly motivated. You don't seem to have a problem with attacks on Russell Wilson who is every bit a high quality person who knows the game of football as well as any QB still doing it not named Brady and is pretty far from washed up.

Be nice if you took equal umbrage with attacks on Russell Wilson as you did on Pete Carroll. As tired as you are of hearing that about Carroll, I'm that tired of hearing it about Russell Wilson, mainly from one poster who seems to have had some kind of mental break with Russell being traded and now feels it's his mission to convince everyone Russell was the bad guy, Russell is all washed up and checked out, and Russell is the Devil. It's super tiresome and annoying just like listening to people question Carroll.

[Aseahawkfan]

Neither one of us knows whether or not Pete has changed. I'm basing my opinion on this year's draft as it was a marked departure from the ones from the past 10 or so seasons. No trading down, no early reaches, emphasis on the OL and DL lines, didn't take a QB in a weak class. I always felt that Pete and John had a certain degree of arrogance about them, that they had their own, unique system, that the didn't need highly ranked players to make it work, that the system was better than the players in it. This draft seemed to indicate a change in their outlook, an admission that what they've been doing in the past wasn't working.

It was like the draft when he first arrived.

I don't share your belief. I've read on Pete and John's draft philosophy. The are often heavily focused on what they call the SPARQ rating, which rates a player's athleticism. They in no way believe the system is superior to the athlete. It has never been their belief. They often draft players with a high SPARQ rating because they believe if they have superior athletes on the field, they will be able to outperform the opponent. [url][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARQ_Training/url]

Pete has always believed superior athletes will beat out worse athletes. This is where I disagree with him a bit as I think there is a mental component to football that you should also be looking for where a slightly inferior athlete might outperform a super athlete if they are better at reading defenses or some mental aspect of the sport. Too often Pete has been focused on obtaining a superior athlete over a better overall football player.

If you read more than listen on Carroll, he has very specific metrics he follows when executing his program. He looks for specific things at specific positions. He follows specific metrics like Turnover Ratio, Explosive Plays given up or executed, and a handful of other metrics he follows closely to measure performance.

About the only arrogance I've seen from Pete is he believes he can take any player and fit them into his system or train up any great athlete into a great football player. Thus he trades for players like Harvin thinking he can handle his personality or Graham thinking he can train him to block.

Pete's not that arrogant a dude. Nor is John. They have a very clear methodology using metrics that are important to win-loss percentage and even when drafting as they know superior athletes will beat inferior athletes all things being equal regardless of system.

[tarlhawk]

Be nice if you took equal umbrage with attacks on Russell Wilson as you did on Pete Carroll. As tired as you are of hearing that about Carroll, I'm that tired of hearing it about Russell Wilson, mainly from one poster who seems to have had some kind of mental break with Russell being traded and now feels it's his mission to convince everyone Russell was the bad guy, Russell is all washed up and checked out, and Russell is the Devil. It's super tiresome and annoying just like listening to people question Carroll.

Not sure if you were aware of my earlier posts when Russell was very much a part of our future...I defended and talked about my strong disbelief that RW would leave us...but Russell is gone and Pete remains. Each of them benefited from the other and sadly that golden partnership has ended. Both men are strong enough going forward to add to their HOF resumes. I sincerely wished we hadn't lost Russell (who gave me as a fan many exciting moments in time) but other than wishing him well I tend to focus on what remains. Russell doesn't need defending...I think life and his iron man confidence took a toll during 2021...if his confidence returns he'll be just as important to his new team... as the talent infusion we received from his loss ...will be important to our team as a whole.

[Hawktawk]

So River are you saying Jodi should have fired PC and brought back Russ with a new young offensive minded coach? After having heard all the backstory about feuding, checking out?

Yes, I think Jody should have fired Pete, and done so before the end of the regular season. As far as Russell having 'checked out', that's your opinion based on a cherry picked, truncated quote that also said that Pete was equally to blame.

Cherry picked. It’s always your comeback when it doesn’t match your narrative this week.

Match my narrative? You're the one that said that Russell had "checked out". I didn't say that he didn't. What I said I was that you are basing your opinion on a partial quote, that it also said that both parties contributed to the divide. Besides, there is ample evidence that he had ont. If Wilson did 'check out', as you claim, why would he rush back into action as quickly as he did, perhaps knowing that he was not at full health and that it would likely affect his personal metrics?

You are stating your opinion that Russell 'checked out' as if it were fact. It is not. It is your opinion....and you know what they say about opinions. It's like an ___hole. Everybody has one.[/quote]

It’s true or it isn’t . I believe it based on many other factors as well that I’ve already discussed . And don’t start on the finger . It was as checked out as anything . He came back because Russ wanted his Favre moment , the celebrity , center of attention . Like his idiotic practices on the sidelines as the team prepared for the game . Look at me . The finger and his decision to play at least 3 weeks too soon was the nail in the coffin as we lost 3 very winnable games. Had Geno met his 20 ppg average were 2-1 in those sitting at 5-6 and hardly out of it . Plus it was Genos 4th week of first team snaps if he played . I wonder how that defense felt giving up 17 in Green Bay , 3 into the 4th quarter . We know how Geno felt” I’d like to vent but it’s not safe” I think he spoke for the team . It was as selfish as anything I’ve seen a quarterback do . Your logic does not hold water

[RiverDog]

Be nice if you took equal umbrage with attacks on Russell Wilson as you did on Pete Carroll. As tired as you are of hearing that about Carroll, I'm that tired of hearing it about Russell Wilson, mainly from one poster who seems to have had some kind of mental break with Russell being traded and now feels it's his mission to convince everyone Russell was the bad guy, Russell is all washed up and checked out, and Russell is the Devil. It's super tiresome and annoying just like listening to people question Carroll.

Not sure if you were aware of my earlier posts when Russell was very much a part of our future...I defended and talked about my strong disbelief that RW would leave us...but Russell is gone and Pete remains. Each of them benefited from the other and sadly that golden partnership has ended. Both men are strong enough going forward to add to their HOF resumes. I sincerely wished we hadn't lost Russell (who gave me as a fan many exciting moments in time) but other than wishing him well I tend to focus on what remains. Russell doesn't need defending...I think life and his iron man confidence took a toll during 2021...if his confidence returns he'll be just as important to his new team... as the talent infusion we received from his loss ...will be important to our team as a whole.

I agree with both of those sentiments. I didn't like the way either party handled the split, but it is what it is. It's water under the bridge, no sense crying over spilt milk, or one of the other half dozen or so of my old man's sayings that would apply in this situation.

As a former player that has given every indication that he's a truly good guy, I do think that Russell is deserving of our defending if he's subjected to unfair attacks. Of course, unless he's reading our comments, he doesn't 'need' our defense, but it certainly seems to me to be appropriate just as it would if a friend or family member came under an unjustified attack.

Except as it relates to the success of the Seahawks, I'm pretty ambivalent regarding how much personal success either Pete or Russell may or may not have. Of course, I would wish both well as I would any friend in any endeavor, but no more or no less. My true love is reserved for the team.

[RiverDog]

It’s true or it isn’t . I believe it based on many other factors as well that I’ve already discussed.

But you're not stating it as a 'belief'. You're stating it as a fact. Otherwise, you'd qualify your statements by saying "it's been reported that Russell had checked out," or something like that. You're saying that he checked out. Period. That's one of my major objections to your approach. You seem to think that you have everything figured out, that anyone that disagrees with your take is all wet and out to lunch.

[Hawktawk]

Be nice if you took equal umbrage with attacks on Russell Wilson as you did on Pete Carroll. As tired as you are of hearing that about Carroll, I'm that tired of hearing it about Russell Wilson, mainly from one poster who seems to have had some kind of mental break with Russell being traded and now feels it's his mission to convince everyone Russell was the bad guy, Russell is all washed up and checked out, and Russell is the Devil. It's super tiresome and annoying just like listening to people question Carroll.

Not sure if you were aware of my earlier posts when Russell was very much a part of our future...I defended and talked about my strong disbelief that RW would leave us...but Russell is gone and Pete remains. Each of them benefited from the other and sadly that golden partnership has ended. Both men are strong enough going forward to add to their HOF resumes. I sincerely wished we hadn't lost Russell (who gave me as a fan many exciting moments in time) but other than wishing him well I tend to focus on what remains. Russell doesn't need defending...I think life and his iron man confidence took a toll during 2021...if his confidence returns he'll be just as important to his new team... as the talent infusion we received from his loss ...will be important to our team as a whole.

I could go pull posts from after the detroit game where I supported running the whole thing back. A lot has come to light since the trade that has hardened my stance a lot. Also having the time to reflect on this era. IMO Russ blew it up, became uncoachable and I've gotten carpal tunnel explaining that popping off to your coach when he says you made a mistake you obviously made that cost the ballgame is UNCOACHABLE. He created the poisonous atmosphere among fans , the Russel lovers who blame Pete and attack anyone who has their own damn right to feel how they want after 45 years as a fan. I dont think Russ is adding to his HOF resume there. Hes gonna hurt it by how he left and how hes gonna get exposed. Pete on the other hand will add to his for sure when he proves it wasn't just Russ. starting with getting him hit too much. The parties are not equally to blame here

[NorthHawk]

They didn't part with a lot of animosity.
It was simply a difference in philosophies going forward.
Russ wanted a 2022 Offense and Pete wants a 1970s Offense. Those two things can't mesh.
From the reports I read, Russ didn't "check out". He was the same guy every day every year but he saw his future wasn't playing for Carroll.
That's all there is to it.

[Hawktawk]

They didn't part with a lot of animosity.
It was simply a difference in philosophies going forward.
Russ wanted a 2022 Offense and Pete wants a 1970s Offense. Those two things can't mesh.
From the reports I read, Russ didn't "check out". He was the same guy every day every year but he saw his future wasn't playing for Carroll.
That's all there is to it.

The Eagles were the only team with less attempts between the hashes and Genos 13 quarters using the middle of the field constantly is what pulled us out of the cellar. That's not the Waldron offense. Russ runs the Russel Wilson offense. Good luck Hackett.

[Aseahawkfan]

They didn't part with a lot of animosity.
It was simply a difference in philosophies going forward.
Russ wanted a 2022 Offense and Pete wants a 1970s Offense. Those two things can't mesh.
From the reports I read, Russ didn't "check out". He was the same guy every day every year but he saw his future wasn't playing for Carroll.
That's all there is to it.

What does a 2022 offense look like? What exactly are they doing? I haven't noticed them scoring more points than Pete's 1970s offense. The Rams weren't exactly putting up more points or even yards most years than Seattle.

I'm not sure what you mean by this or if you could even really prove it.

[Aseahawkfan]

The Eagles were the only team with less attempts between the hashes and Genos 13 quarters using the middle of the field constantly is what pulled us out of the cellar. That's not the Waldron offense. Russ runs the Russel Wilson offense. Good luck Hackett.

I have no idea why you think Russell runs whatever offense he feels like running. Stupidest idea I've ever heard. Russ is about as by the book as a QB comes in the NFL. He was running Pete's offense for ten years, not something he made up. Yet you don't want to admit that. This is all Pete's offense and defense. Always has been, always will be.

[NorthHawk]

What does a 2022 offense look like? What exactly are they doing? I haven't noticed them scoring more points than Pete's 1970s offense. The Rams weren't exactly putting up more points or even yards most years than Seattle.

I'm not sure what you mean by this or if you could even really prove it.

Pre snap motion.
Quick throws at times.
Runs outside the tackles.
Various formations with the same plays and change up with various plays from the same formations.
TEs used as receivers.
Swing passes or tosses to the RBs.
Bubble screens
And more things we rarely do.


All of this is to keep the Defense off balance or sometimes guessing.

[RiverDog]

So specifically, just who is it that 'amazes' you ...but I'm beginning to detect a bit of arrogance in your remarks.

This is an opinion forum. We are expressing our various points of view, nothing more, nothing less. It should not be interpreted as 'knowing more' than the head coach, GM, owner, etc.

It shouldn't be interpreted as arrogance to appreciate the work of a coach to the point where I'll take exception to "those" who target him as some problem that the team must be "rid of". I did not address an individual because there are many...not just on this site. I did not profess those I have targeted in my remarks as "knowing better" than the Coach...but knowing better of when management should just go away.

I don't like attack postings so I'll apologize for any I quickly offended. I respect opinion as well...I've just been caught up by watching recent videos increasing my favorable opinion of the man burdened with the responsibility of keeping our football team relevant. Sorry Riv if it was your post that "triggered" my opinion of many...not you personally.

Even though I wasn't asking for an apology or that I was owed one, I appreciate that you're man enough to offer one up. I didn't take it as a personal attack, more like an indirect insult to those of us that have expressed opinions as to how our team should go forward.

What got me going on your comments was when you suggested that some fans felt that they were smarter than the head coach, GM, etc, because we wanted Pete gone, that his style was outdated, that he may not be suited for this rebuild, etc. It was a nonsensical statement. If you decide that you no longer want your primary care doctor, whom may have served you well in the past, to treat you going forward because you're older and there is a good geriatrician you may want to try, or that you want a different financial advisor that might have made you a lot of money in the past but that may not be as adequately equipped to manage your money after you've retired, does that mean that you think that you're smarter than they are? Of course, not. It simply means that you feel that there are better options available and that you want to try someone else.

That's how a lot of us feel about Pete Carroll. Speaking for several others that seem to share a similar belief as I do, we're generally appreciate of his contributions to our team and will be forever grateful for him bringing us the best era of Seahawk football this franchise has ever experienced. But it doesn't necessarily mean that we think that he is now a bad coach, that his football IQ suddenly took a nose dive, or that we think that we're smarter than he is. It means that we're not giving him a blank check with no strings attached, that our patience has its limits, and in some cases, he has exceeded those limits.

Anyhow, no harm, no foul. I was probably a bit on edge, detected a sense of arrogance that probably wasn't there in the first place.

[Hawktawk]

The Eagles were the only team with less attempts between the hashes and Genos 13 quarters using the middle of the field constantly is what pulled us out of the cellar. That's not the Waldron offense. Russ runs the Russel Wilson offense. Good luck Hackett.

I have no idea why you think Russell runs whatever offense he feels like running. Stupidest idea I've ever heard. Russ is about as by the book as a QB comes in the NFL. He was running Pete's offense for ten years, not something he made up. Yet you don't want to admit that. This is all Pete's offense and defense. Always has been, always will be.

I agree until mid 20 then he just quit giving a F about things . Asea he throws less in the middle than any qb in the league . Geno pulled our team out of the lowest % in his 13 quarters . He ran the offense .

Lost in the hatred of Geno is the fact he proved a journeyman could move the chains in a Waldron offense . Russ ignored the read option most of last year until the last 2 game audition for Denver . , teams scheme to take away the deep ball and he refuses to check down . Like I say good luck mr Hackett . 6-10 in his last 16 starts and he’s gonna call his plays in Denver .

[Old but Slow]

Hatred of Geno? That is a bit extreme. While I do not think he is likely to be a quality starter, there is no doubt that he can be a valuable #2. And, I am not sure that Lock is any better. I hope he is, but I have doubts.

In my view we have two QBs capable of holding down the fort until we can find a long term answer.

I have not seen anything to indicate "hate" for Geno. Perhaps a lack of love would be closer.

[Hawktawk]

Hatred of Geno? That is a bit extreme. While I do not think he is likely to be a quality starter, there is no doubt that he can be a valuable #2. And, I am not sure that Lock is any better. I hope he is, but I have doubts.

In my view we have two QBs capable of holding down the fort until we can find a long term answer.

I have not seen anything to indicate "hate" for Geno. Perhaps a lack of love would be closer.

How about scorn and derision for over half a year for a poster who said after the Pittsburgh game Geno had played starter quality ball and here we are . It does make an impression on this poster when the mere mention of his name draws such hysterical replies about skies falling etc .
How about people who hate the thought of Geno starting here ? Hate admitting they might be wrong ?.
I think we HAD a backup who played starter quality ball LAST year . If Geno comes out as efficient as he left he can start . If he’s Geno weeno from the Jets and giants were getting the first pick, utter disaster . Sometimes putting “starter “ on a backup and the chariot turns into a pumpkin . I got all that . But as of yesterday Pete said Geno is still leading .

Lock is a mystery . Is he a mental adjustment from being the next Josh Allen ? He has the bod and the arm oh my lord . If they fix him we’re as good as anyone immediately . Part of me wonders if PC actually prefers it be Geno or Lock under center when they smoke the donkeys and remind Russ who the great coach is . Just because he can .

[RiverDog]

Hatred of Geno? That is a bit extreme. While I do not think he is likely to be a quality starter, there is no doubt that he can be a valuable #2. And, I am not sure that Lock is any better. I hope he is, but I have doubts.

In my view we have two QBs capable of holding down the fort until we can find a long term answer.

I have not seen anything to indicate "hate" for Geno. Perhaps a lack of love would be closer.

Yeah, no one 'hates' Geno. The term is one of the most misused in the English language. Lack of respect is a lot more appropriate way to describe most fans' sentiment. His main value is that he knows the system and the other players. It's tough on everyone when there isn't an experienced signal caller to run the show as many times, their progress is directly dependent on the play of the quarterback. I'm not sure that Geno would have had a job had it not been for the Russell trade. We were awfully late resigning him, over a month after the Wilson trade.

As far as Lock goes, yes, it is possible that a change of scenery will resurrect his once promising career. It doesn't happen often, but that doesn't mean that it can't. Like Geno, he's going to have to clean up his turnovers if we are to have a shot at even a .500 season, something that could end up being a real challenge if we start two rookie bookends as is the apparent plan.

So we'll see. I'm approaching this season with more curiosity than excitement.

[NorthHawk]

Yeah, no one 'hates' Geno. The term is one of the most misused in the English language. Lack of respect is a lot more appropriate way to describe most fans' sentiment. His main value is that he knows the system and the other players. It's tough on everyone when there isn't an experienced signal caller to run the show as many times, their progress is directly dependent on the play of the quarterback. I'm not sure that Geno would have had a job had it not been for the Russell trade. We were awfully late resigning him, over a month after the Wilson trade.

As far as Lock goes, yes, it is possible that a change of scenery will resurrect his once promising career. It doesn't happen often, but that doesn't mean that it can't. Like Geno, he's going to have to clean up his turnovers if we are to have a shot at even a .500 season, something that could end up being a real challenge if we start two rookie bookends as is the apparent plan.

So we'll see. I'm approaching this season with more curiosity than excitement.

I'm looking for progress with the rookies and am interested in how the Defense will look. This was a building block draft so it will be interesting to see if the picks have the chops to play at this level.

Regarding Geno and Lock, we can really only go on what they've done in the past and that's not a promising picture.
Sure, one or both could have career years, but that is hope and the probability that either one does tends to side with mediocrity at the QB position.
The other thing going against any QB this year is the inevitable comparison to Wilson. They will probably be compared unfairly to the last decade's productivity
and that might be an added pressure on them.
But currently the job is open and either one could emerge as the starter unless the FO sees a huge lack of ability and trades for a QB or signs a FA.

[Hawktawk]

Hatred of Geno? That is a bit extreme. While I do not think he is likely to be a quality starter, there is no doubt that he can be a valuable #2. And, I am not sure that Lock is any better. I hope he is, but I have doubts.

In my view we have two QBs capable of holding down the fort until we can find a long term answer.

I have not seen anything to indicate "hate" for Geno. Perhaps a lack of love would be closer.

Yeah, no one 'hates' Geno. The term is one of the most misused in the English language. Lack of respect is a lot more appropriate way to describe most fans' sentiment. His main value is that he knows the system and the other players. It's tough on everyone when there isn't an experienced signal caller to run the show as many times, their progress is directly dependent on the play of the quarterback. I'm not sure that Geno would have had a job had it not been for the Russell trade. We were awfully late resigning him, over a month after the Wilson trade.

As far as Lock goes, yes, it is possible that a change of scenery will resurrect his once promising career. It doesn't happen often, but that doesn't mean that it can't. Like Geno, he's going to have to clean up his turnovers if we are to have a shot at even a .500 season, something that could end up being a real challenge if we start two rookie bookends as is the apparent plan.

So we'll see. I'm approaching this season with more curiosity than excitement.

I’m going on memory but I think PC stated a desire to bring Geno back a while before Russ was traded . I was surprised at the time after this messy DUI that’s yet to be resolved . The delay in the end was Geno holding out for a better deal which Pete publicly appealed to him to sign .
After Russ was traded it began to make more sense to me . I’m overly hyperbole centric on the forum
and “ hate “ in this context is meant as an internet gaslight .

I think lots hate the thought of him starting as Russel Wilson’s successor .

But actual hate ? Of course not . Nor do I “hate “ Russ . I definitely hate how his career ended here , I don’t understand why he’s continuing to fixate on who decided on the trade while saying he wants to go to a city that wants to win and knows how. And made the comments in front of a bunch of kids at a football camp .

If Russ goes there and really pulls it off meaning a championship I’ll tip a cap to him . I’ll cheer when he goes in the hall . How soon will depend on what he does now. But I may not hate the guy but I sure don’t like him nearly as much after this saga.
Until proven otherwise I will trust that we are in “ good shape at the position .” That’s what really matters . Because Pete didn’t come back to be a terrible team , lose a ten year argument and get canned in a year anyway . He’s got the fire burning brighter than in some time I suspect .

[RiverDog]

I’m going on memory but I think PC stated a desire to bring Geno back a while before Russ was traded.

Do you mean the same PC that said they weren't planning on trading Russell? Or is there some other person with the initials 'PC" that you're talking about?

For the umpteenth time, you have to take what Pete says with a grain of salt, especially when he says something so non definitive as "expressing a desire."

I think lots hate the thought of him (Geno) starting as Russel Wilson’s successor.

After the statements Geno made to the cops after his DUI arrest, I lost a lot of respect for him, so on a strictly personal level, I don't want him even associated with our team, not to mention being the 'face of the franchise' starting quarterback, at least until he comes forward with some sort of apology or reasonable explanation, of which I have yet to hear.

I recognize that it was just one incident, so I've tried not to be too judgmental. But it's quite a change from Russell, who personality and character wise was as good as they come.

[Aseahawkfan]

I’m going on memory but I think PC stated a desire to bring Geno back a while before Russ was traded . I was surprised at the time after this messy DUI that’s yet to be resolved . The delay in the end was Geno holding out for a better deal which Pete publicly appealed to him to sign .
After Russ was traded it began to make more sense to me . I’m overly hyperbole centric on the forum
and “ hate “ in this context is meant as an internet gaslight .

I think lots hate the thought of him starting as Russel Wilson’s successor .

But actual hate ? Of course not . Nor do I “hate “ Russ . I definitely hate how his career ended here , I don’t understand why he’s continuing to fixate on who decided on the trade while saying he wants to go to a city that wants to win and knows how. And made the comments in front of a bunch of kids at a football camp .

If Russ goes there and really pulls it off meaning a championship I’ll tip a cap to him . I’ll cheer when he goes in the hall . How soon will depend on what he does now. But I may not hate the guy but I sure don’t like him nearly as much after this saga.
Until proven otherwise I will trust that we are in “ good shape at the position .” That’s what really matters . Because Pete didn’t come back to be a terrible team , lose a ten year argument and get canned in a year anyway . He’s got the fire burning brighter than in some time I suspect .

I don't emotionalize like you.

I know Geno and Locke aren't the answer at QB. I know we won't be a better team with them at QB. I know this is a rebuild and we won't be competitive for a few years because we have a young team with a lot of rookies or early contract players. I know things aren't likely to work out as well as you see them working out with all the moving parts. Pete's in rebuild mode. That's why everything is open to competition. I'm not forgetful like you. I remember what a Pete rebuild looks like where everyone is competing for jobs and Pete and John are turning over every rock and looking in every nook for talent and then pitting them in competition for jobs on the team. I know when that is happening Pete is well aware we aren't likely to compete for a Super Bowl and he's going to keep pushing until we are. So it will all come down to how well players develop over the year. That's the phase we're at right now.

I'll wait patiently to see what happens as I did last time Pete was in the mode. See if the man can make magic happen twice. I won't spend my time believing falsehoods like Russell is done, is going to crack under the pressure, or any such rubbish about Russ. He's an amazing player. He blows Geno and Locke's play out of the water. When he came back from his injury and went 4-2 while Penny was running wild, we were firing on all cylinders on offense. That's why we got a king's ransom for Russ and couldn't trade Geno for a bag of chips.

Now we gotta hope Denver tanks to make those picks as valuable as we would like them to be. Pete and John are taking a big swing to get the team competitive again, so hopefully it works or the anger at losing Russ this year will be small compared to the next few years if we fall off a cliff. Then fans will get really angry.

[Hawktawk]

I’m going on memory but I think PC stated a desire to bring Geno back a while before Russ was traded.

Do you mean the same PC that said they weren't planning on trading Russell? Or is there some other person with the initials 'PC" that you're talking about?

For the umpteenth time, you have to take what Pete says with a grain of salt, especially when he says something so non definitive as "expressing a desire."

I think lots hate the thought of him (Geno) starting as Russel Wilson’s successor.

After the statements Geno made to the cops after his DUI arrest, I lost a lot of respect for him, so on a strictly personal level, I don't want him even associated with our team, not to mention being the 'face of the franchise' starting quarterback, at least until he comes forward with some sort of apology or reasonable explanation, of which I have yet to hear.

I recognize that it was just one incident, so I've tried not to be too judgmental. But it's quite a change from Russell, who personality and character wise was as good as they come.

Jesus River. Buddy. He said he wanted him back and he took him back so I think he was telling the truth there. Good lord .

Wyman is in your camp, having argued on air with the late John Clayton that Geno might be starter material ( nobody expected a job opening here at the time) to now saying hell no strictly based on the DUI. He said it shows a lack of maturity . How many does Warren Moon have now? I have a nuanced position here. For one I've had a DUI along with millions of Americans in a land with legal alcohol;, restrictions on police oversight and a bar on every corner. I did not behave that way with cops at all but i know those who did including a high school friend who wound up getting himself yanked out of the t top of his trans am by a 6;9' 300 lb trooper for refusing to exit his vehicle. I dont like what Geno did but weve had guys who beat women , Lynch wasn't a choir boy with a hit and run on a pedestrian in buffalo that likely involved being drunk but he drove off. I dont find it disqualifying at this point in this day and age .

And I know I'm wading into another broadside but I find not honoring a contract a bit of a character flaw too. Splitting words to win a PR battle while being completely disingenuous. Extreme narcissism is a character flaw. Doesn't mean someone cant be a terrific QB obviously. But it might be more disruptive to team chemistry than a dude that got dunk and drove one night. But Im done with comparing characters here, more so all the time. I prefer a genuine person.

[RiverDog]

Jesus River. Buddy. He said he wanted him back and he took him back so I think he was telling the truth there. Good lord .

Wyman is in your camp, having argued on air with the late John Clayton that Geno might be starter material ( nobody expected a job opening here at the time) to now saying hell no strictly based on the DUI. He said it shows a lack of maturity . How many does Warren Moon have now? I have a nuanced position here. For one I've had a DUI along with millions of Americans in a land with legal alcohol;, restrictions on police oversight and a bar on every corner. I did not behave that way with cops at all but i know those who did including a high school friend who wound up getting himself yanked out of the t top of his trans am by a 6;9' 300 lb trooper for refusing to exit his vehicle. I dont like what Geno did but weve had guys who beat women , Lynch wasn't a choir boy with a hit and run on a pedestrian in buffalo that likely involved being drunk but he drove off. I dont find it disqualifying at this point in this day and age .

And I know I'm wading into another broadside but I find not honoring a contract a bit of a character flaw too. Splitting words to win a PR battle while being completely disingenuous. Extreme narcissism is a character flaw. Doesn't mean someone cant be a terrific QB obviously. But it might be more disruptive to team chemistry than a dude that got dunk and drove one night. But Im done with comparing characters here, more so all the time. I prefer a genuine person.

Yes, Pete wanted him back. But he didn't bring him back right away, to the contrary, they waited nearly 6 weeks AFTER Russell was traded before they resigned him. Besides, Pete probably knew shortly after the season ended that he was going to trade Russell, so it only made sense to bring back the only QB with experience in Waldron's offense. It's not a rousing endorsement.

As far as the DUI is concerned, from a personal standpoint, I was almost as concerned with Geno's verbal abuse of the cops as I was the DUI itself. His pleading with fans not to pass judgment on him until the facts were in then not saying anything, no Tweet with an apology, no explanation, no nothing, speaks volumes about his character.

What other players did is irrelevant. Two wrongs don't make a right. Geno is an A-hole.

But Im done with comparing characters here....

Yeah, we've heard that before. Didn't you once make a promise not to talk about Russell until 9/12? Why can't you just accept the fact that he's no longer our quarterback and move on? You keep comparing him to others, keep re-iterating how bad he's been since mid 2020, telling us that he has "extreme narcissism", starting threads about quotes he's made as a Bronco, telling us all about how he's going to flop, and on, and on, and on. You're tiresome.

[Hawktawk]

Jesus River. Buddy. He said he wanted him back and he took him back so I think he was telling the truth there. Good lord .

Wyman is in your camp, having argued on air with the late John Clayton that Geno might be starter material ( nobody expected a job opening here at the time) to now saying hell no strictly based on the DUI. He said it shows a lack of maturity . How many does Warren Moon have now? I have a nuanced position here. For one I've had a DUI along with millions of Americans in a land with legal alcohol;, restrictions on police oversight and a bar on every corner. I did not behave that way with cops at all but i know those who did including a high school friend who wound up getting himself yanked out of the t top of his trans am by a 6;9' 300 lb trooper for refusing to exit his vehicle. I dont like what Geno did but weve had guys who beat women , Lynch wasn't a choir boy with a hit and run on a pedestrian in buffalo that likely involved being drunk but he drove off. I dont find it disqualifying at this point in this day and age .

And I know I'm wading into another broadside but I find not honoring a contract a bit of a character flaw too. Splitting words to win a PR battle while being completely disingenuous. Extreme narcissism is a character flaw. Doesn't mean someone cant be a terrific QB obviously. But it might be more disruptive to team chemistry than a dude that got dunk and drove one night. But Im done with comparing characters here, more so all the time. I prefer a genuine person.

Yes, Pete wanted him back. But he didn't bring him back right away, to the contrary, they waited nearly 6 weeks AFTER Russell was traded before they resigned him. Besides, Pete probably knew shortly after the season ended that he was going to trade Russell, so it only made sense to bring back the only QB with experience in Waldron's offense. It's not a rousing endorsement.

As far as the DUI is concerned, from a personal standpoint, I was almost as concerned with Geno's verbal abuse of the cops as I was the DUI itself. His pleading with fans not to pass judgment on him until the facts were in then not saying anything, no Tweet with an apology, no explanation, no nothing, speaks volumes about his character.

What other players did is irrelevant. Two wrongs don't make a right. Geno is an A-hole.

But Im done with comparing characters here....

Yeah, we've heard that before. Didn't you once make a promise not to talk about Russell until 9/12? Why can't you just accept the fact that he's no longer our quarterback and move on? You keep comparing him to others, keep re-iterating how bad he's been since mid 2020, telling us that he has "extreme narcissism", starting threads about quotes he's made as a Bronco, telling us all about how he's going to flop, and on, and on, and on. You're tiresome.

Geno "was" an Ahole while intoxicated . Obviously he cant say anything now till his case is resolved. And you strike me as a guy who has never said or done anything anyone would call A hole behavior. I know I'm guilty. Geno can start for me.


Your tiresome with the Pete sucks, garbage roster bs along with many others on the forum and that's fine. You say Jodi was mistaken in bringing back Pete, insinuate she's some potted plant being let around in blindfold by Pete and john. Hey move on man quit talking about the past .

My commitments about no Russ talk was "unless provoked" which slamming Pete and defending Russel is provoking. But when Russ insults the 12s talking about wanting to go to a winning city, continuing to litigate his trade in the press months later well just be quiet HT dont insult us regarding saint Russ. I got it River

You're the one who tried to imply the finger thing proved how committed he was to the team, not checked out. You brought it up first months after anyone was talking about it and its ridiculous in hindsight to say it was anything but self serving theater. The winning city thing is in the news because Russ made the comment just a few days ago knowing god damn well they would make national news which he likes.
I'm optimistic about next year too which seems to P@$$ off the Debbie downers too. Because part of my optimism is the theory of addition by subtraction. That Russ was bigger problem than most think. Don't go there HT. Only thing allowed on the forum is abuse of Pete and John and Jodi and self loathing as as fan.
I was a fan a damn long time before Wilson and Ill always defend my Hawks, My 12s over ANY player.
Whatever if you dont like my style scroll on by. Maybe I should .

[Hawktawk]

Yes, Pete wanted him back. But he didn't bring him back right away, to the contrary, they waited nearly 6 weeks AFTER Russell was traded before they resigned him. Besides, Pete probably knew shortly after the season ended that he was going to trade Russell, so it only made sense to bring back the only QB with experience in Waldron's offense. It's not a rousing endorsement.

Geno had a contract on the table for weeks. The delay was 100% in him signing it and in the interim Pete publicly appealed to him to sign it talking about what a great opportunity it was for him. As for trading Russel I'm not sure it was a done deal till it was when you see Seattle giving back a 4th rounder. I'm sure there was a suspicion.

Facts are quite inconvenient for your narrative sometimes but you just ignore them. I've pointed this fact out many time's now. Pete wanted Geno from season end . Debate the wisdom of his choice but that's a fact.

[RiverDog]

Geno "was" an Ahole while intoxicated . Obviously he cant say anything now till his case is resolved. And you strike me as a guy who has never said or done anything anyone would call A hole behavior. I know I'm guilty. Geno can start for me.

There are two types of drunks: Happy drunks and mean drunks. I'm a happy drunk. That doesn't mean that I've never acted in a manner that I was embarrassed of, but I've always strived to self assess my actions/behavior, admit to my faults, and when I feel appropriate, apologize for my human flaws.

The unresolved legal status of Geno's DUI does not prevent him from issuing a statement apologizing for his behavior, indeed, it might show the prosecutor that he is remorseful of the event and could win him some consideration for leniency. He doesn't have to admit to how much he had to drink, where he had been, what kind of drugs he'd been taking, etc, information that might negatively affect the outcome of his case, in order to issue an apology if he felt he owed one. People do it all the time, and do so before the start of any legal action.

Being drunk isn't an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Indeed, being drunk might in some cases expose a true personality, act as a truth serum. Geno strikes me as a mean drunk, and I stand by my assessment of him as an A-hole until I see some other information that might cause me to re-evaluate my opinion of him.

The longer Geno waits to explain or apologize, the more it will appear to be a calculated remark designed to enhance his image rather than a genuine feeling of remorse for those he may have insulted.

I have not called for Pete's firing or resignation since the end of the season. I have accepted the fact that he's our coach going forward. I have not given him a pass for 2022, but I will have an open mind about his performance as the season progresses. Indeed, I have expressed satisfaction with his recent draft. That doesn't mean that I won't say negative things about him. It's an opinion forum, not a fanboy club. Pete's the current head coach of our team, quite unlike Russell, who is now a former quarterback that used to play for us and plays for a team not even in the same conference as us.

[Hawktawk]

Geno "was" an Ahole while intoxicated . Obviously he cant say anything now till his case is resolved. And you strike me as a guy who has never said or done anything anyone would call A hole behavior. I know I'm guilty. Geno can start for me.

There are two types of drunks: Happy drunks and mean drunks. I'm a happy drunk. That doesn't mean that I've never acted in a manner that I was embarrassed of, but I've always strived to self assess my actions/behavior, admit to my faults, and when I feel appropriate, apologize for my human flaws.

The unresolved legal status of Geno's DUI does not prevent him from issuing a statement apologizing for his behavior, indeed, it might show the prosecutor that he is remorseful of the event and could win him some consideration for leniency. He doesn't have to admit to how much he had to drink, where he had been, what kind of drugs he'd been taking, etc, information that might negatively affect the outcome of his case, in order to issue an apology if he felt he owed one. People do it all the time, and do so before the start of any legal action.

Being drunk isn't an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Indeed, being drunk might in some cases expose a true personality, act as a truth serum. Geno strikes me as a mean drunk, and I stand by my assessment of him as an A-hole until I see some other information that might cause me to re-evaluate my opinion of him.

The longer Geno waits to explain or apologize, the more it will appear to be a calculated remark designed to enhance his image rather than a genuine feeling of remorse for those he may have insulted.

I have not called for Pete's firing or resignation since the end of the season. I have accepted the fact that he's our coach going forward. I have not given him a pass for 2022, but I will have an open mind about his performance as the season progresses. Indeed, I have expressed satisfaction with his recent draft. That doesn't mean that I won't say negative things about him. It's an opinion forum, not a fanboy club. Pete's the current head coach of our team, quite unlike Russell, who is now a former quarterback that used to play for us and plays for a team not even in the same conference as us.

There's more than just happy and mean drunks. Friday was my annual fireball skins game with my buddies and I was a drunker drunk And behavior at a party and behavior when being arrested and cuffed may be completely different from the same person. Promiscuity is far more likely when drunk. You get it.
I think A hole is a way of life, not a spun out bad night ending in a dui. And I dont believe every single thing a cop says either. In my case my attorney caught the cop in a number of false or misleading statements just based on dash cam footage. I had a 50-50 chance of beating it at trial but I knew I was guilty and pled out. My guess Geno is trying to get some sort of reduced sentence. He did issue a public statement to his fans to wait to see what the facts were. No attorney would advise any sort of public apology.
I know Michelle Tafoya said of Geno prior to his first start" he is universally loved by his teammates". That may not be true but if even the majority of 50 guy's love the guy how can he be an A hole as a person?, I know his twitter feed was blowing up after Jax with congratulations and good natured ribbing.

I dont see him as an Ahole. I see him as a guy who made a dumb mistake. And if you drink and drive a dui isn't the worst thing that can happen. Its how I saw it and altered my choices greatly. I hope hes done so as well. Any more hint of trouble I'm all for pulling the ripcord.
And I think as it pertains to my hawks and any player on the team I'm no fanboy either. Never have been in 20 years on the forum. I evaluate performance and attitude regardless of the number on the jersey. And PC has no blank check. he said they would compete and Ill hold him to it. If they don't pull the ripcord on him after this season. Keep John , get a new coach in here. For this year I stand with him. Its like the Alamo there's no back door.

[RiverDog]

Geno made a dumb mistake then compounded it by insulting people that were simply doing their jobs and has failed to acknowledge that he was wrong for having done so. That makes him an A-hole in my book.

[Hawktawk]

Geno made a dumb mistake then compounded it by insulting people that were simply doing their jobs and has failed to acknowledge that he was wrong for having done so. That makes him an A-hole in my book.

My arresting officer cranked my cuffs so tight my left hand went numb . About went to my knees . I Informed him it was too tight immediately and he chuckled and smiled and walked away . My hand was numb for 4 months . And I was compliant to a fault , non threatening . Polite . At least Geno had the excuse of being drunk when acting like a Jackass . What’s that cops excuse for hurting me ? I’m big , probably outweighed him by 75 lbs. maybe he was afraid of me. But that’s an Ahole maybe worse then Geno I don’t give a good god damn what happened and what the cops reieased served their narrative , count on it .
If he can play he can start for my team

[Aseahawkfan]

My arresting officer cranked my cuffs so tight my left hand went numb . About went to my knees . I Informed him it was too tight immediately and he chuckled and smiled and walked away . My hand was numb for 4 months . And I was compliant to a fault , non threatening . Polite . At least Geno had the excuse of being drunk when acting like a Jackass . What’s that cops excuse for hurting me ? I’m big , probably outweighed him by 75 lbs. maybe he was afraid of me. But that’s an Ahole maybe worse then Geno I don’t give a good god damn what happened and what the cops reieased served their narrative , count on it .
If he can play he can start for my team

Unless his name is Russell Wilson and you spend post after post making him like some kind of terrible person, while you make excuses for guys getting DUIs.

[RiverDog]

My arresting officer cranked my cuffs so tight my left hand went numb . About went to my knees . I Informed him it was too tight immediately and he chuckled and smiled and walked away . My hand was numb for 4 months . And I was compliant to a fault , non threatening . Polite . At least Geno had the excuse of being drunk when acting like a Jackass . What’s that cops excuse for hurting me ? I’m big , probably outweighed him by 75 lbs. maybe he was afraid of me. But that’s an Ahole maybe worse then Geno I don’t give a good god damn what happened and what the cops reieased served their narrative , count on it .
If he can play he can start for my team

Unless his name is Russell Wilson and you spend post after post making him like some kind of terrible person, while you make excuses for guys getting DUIs.

Yeah, I fail to see how HT's experience with being arrested has anything to do with Geno's DUI.

Geno can play for my team, too. I've just lost a lot of respect for him personally, and haven't seen anything out of him that would cause me to change my mind.

[Hawktawk]

My arresting officer cranked my cuffs so tight my left hand went numb . About went to my knees . I Informed him it was too tight immediately and he chuckled and smiled and walked away . My hand was numb for 4 months . And I was compliant to a fault , non threatening . Polite . At least Geno had the excuse of being drunk when acting like a Jackass . What’s that cops excuse for hurting me ? I’m big , probably outweighed him by 75 lbs. maybe he was afraid of me. But that’s an Ahole maybe worse then Geno I don’t give a good god damn what happened and what the cops reieased served their narrative , count on it .
If he can play he can start for my team

Unless his name is Russell Wilson and you spend post after post making him like some kind of terrible person, while you make excuses for guys getting DUIs.

Wtf is with you ? He left if you didn’t notice because he wanted to go to a city that wants to win and knows how . That’s when I no longer wanted him here . I’ll tell you something . The true Russell bleeding hearts are heartbroken by those comments . For me they are further confirmation. He left a far different man then he arrived , a self centered narcissist bent on personal gain . Doesn’t change the past of memories of greatness but as a female friend and huge Russ supporter told me after the city thing “ I’m so over Russ “
It hasn’t a damn thing to do with Geno but go ahead fan boy and try to make your choir boy look perfect as always . I don’t excuse Genos DUI but I don’t find it disqualifying .

[Hawktawk]

My arresting officer cranked my cuffs so tight my left hand went numb . About went to my knees . I Informed him it was too tight immediately and he chuckled and smiled and walked away . My hand was numb for 4 months . And I was compliant to a fault , non threatening . Polite . At least Geno had the excuse of being drunk when acting like a Jackass . What’s that cops excuse for hurting me ? I’m big , probably outweighed him by 75 lbs. maybe he was afraid of me. But that’s an Ahole maybe worse then Geno I don’t give a good god damn what happened and what the cops reieased served their narrative , count on it .
If he can play he can start for my team

Unless his name is Russell Wilson and you spend post after post making him like some kind of terrible person, while you make excuses for guys getting DUIs.

Yeah, I fail to see how HT's experience with being arrested has anything to do with Geno's DUI.

Geno can play for my team, too. I've just lost a lot of respect for him personally, and haven't seen anything out of him that would cause me to change my mind.

Maybe my experience helps me understand Genos situation a bit . Like a cop who advises someone they have the right to remain silent then engages in small talk to elicit some response they can write in their notes to further incriminate the person . That’s where the small d@ck syndrome crack came from and I ain’t gonna lie I thought it was one of the funnier things I’ve heard a drunk say to a cop . Spare the lectures .

I say Genos teammates love him according to a respected veteran sideline reporter , how can he be an Ahole ? You plow over it like a bulldozer , circle back to a stupid drunk evening . Have at it . My guess is he’s more popular in that locker room than Hof franchise guy was on the way out the door .