PFF ranks Hawks' OL last

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[Aseahawkfan]

We're starting two rook tackles from what I understand. Hard to rate that other than hoping they come out of the gate strong.

[RiverDog]

Yikes!

Obviously, they're downgrading us significantly due to the two rookie bookends, and rightfully so. But the other problem is at center, starting a has been that played all of 12 snaps for the Chiefs last season.

[tarlhawk]

Yikes! Obviously, they're downgrading us significantly due to the two rookie bookends, and rightfully so. But the other problem is at center, starting a has been that played all of 12 snaps for the Chiefs last season.

It's a fair guess with two rookies at tackle a LG who degraded and a RG unclaimed but expected to be Gabe Jackson. As for our center he is not a "has been" but a good veteran fit for the offense we're looking to use. He lost his job due to injury before the season started and the "rookie" played so well KC left him in there...kinda like Richard Sherman claiming and holding a spot after an injury to the guy he replaced. Injury is the quickest way for a rookie to demonstrate he belongs as the starter. Austin was injured/replaced not truly beat out coming out of camp.

[RiverDog]

Yikes! Obviously, they're downgrading us significantly due to the two rookie bookends, and rightfully so. But the other problem is at center, starting a has been that played all of 12 snaps for the Chiefs last season.

It's a fair guess with two rookies at tackle a LG who degraded and a RG unclaimed but expected to be Gabe Jackson. As for our center he is not a "has been" but a good veteran fit for the offense we're looking to use. He lost his job due to injury before the season started and the "rookie" played so well KC left him in there...kinda like Richard Sherman claiming and holding a spot after an injury to the guy he replaced. Injury is the quickest way for a rookie to demonstrate he belongs as the starter. Austin was injured/replaced not truly beat out coming out of camp.

Blythe played in just 4 games for the Chiefs last season, seeing just 12 snaps. He didn't play at all in the postseason. Considering the guy ahead of him was a rookie, even one that played as well as Humphrey did, that's quite an indictment on his ability. PFF obviously doesn't hold the same lofty opinion of him as you do.

But we'll see. The offensive line is perhaps the most difficult group to quantify so I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight on these preseason evaluations.

[Hawktawk]

Shocking . Bring it on. We will run . We are running a one read get it out or throw it away offense . Gotta trust it .

It’s been the worst line in the league for 10 years to hear the Wilson apologists tell the story . So let’s see how we do this year with the most awful line .

[tarlhawk]

Blythe played in just 4 games for the Chiefs last season, seeing just 12 snaps. He didn't play at all in the postseason. Considering the guy ahead of him was a rookie, even one that played as well as Humphrey did, that's quite an indictment on his ability. PFF obviously doesn't hold the same lofty opinion of him as you do.

I didn't hold him in high regard...I just stated the obvious. Creed Humphrey was a highly regarded rookie center who benefited from an injury to the vet ahead of him. To his credit Creed played well enough to keep him as the starter through the season and into their playoffs. PFF might not think highly of Blythe but PFF doesn't generate ratings from a player's "fit". If Waldron/Dickerson influenced getting him then I'll "second guess" their opinion after seeing how he performs in 2022...not before he even plays.

[RiverDog]

Blythe played in just 4 games for the Chiefs last season, seeing just 12 snaps. He didn't play at all in the postseason. Considering the guy ahead of him was a rookie, even one that played as well as Humphrey did, that's quite an indictment on his ability. PFF obviously doesn't hold the same lofty opinion of him as you do.

I didn't hold him in high regard...I just stated the obvious. Creed Humphrey was a highly regarded rookie center who benefited from an injury to the vet ahead of him. To his credit Creed played well enough to keep him as the starter through the season and into their playoffs. PFF might not think highly of Blythe but PFF doesn't generate ratings from a player's "fit". If Waldron/Dickerson influenced getting him then I'll "second guess" their opinion after seeing how he performs in 2022...not before he even plays.

OK, I'll correct my statement to say that PFF doesn't seem to hold the same degree of respect for Blythe's abilities, fit, etc as you do.

But however we want to spin it, there's still some major question marks about Blythe. For one, he hasn't seen any significant game action for two years. Is he going to be able to step right into the lineup and play at even an average level? He's just one of a number of question marks along the OL, which is why PFF downgraded us the way they did.

[tarlhawk]

"Our" wish of seeing Aaron Donald retire didn't come true...so any offensive line interior would have a tough time "containing" such brute force. Our line unfortunately gets to face him at least twice in 2022...the man disrupts and "blows up plays" in a teams backfield...feasting on any QB who delays getting the ball out. Shane Waldron has to design plays to minimize the effect of this NFL nightmare...Austin will have his hands full for sure...but he is an established vet who "hasn't played in two years"...he hasn't forgotten how to coordinate an offensive line via communication/Defensive line alignment recognition.

[RiverDog]

"Our" wish of seeing Aaron Donald retire didn't come true...so any offensive line interior would have a tough time "containing" such brute force. Our line unfortunately gets to face him at least twice in 2022...the man disrupts and "blows up plays" in a teams backfield...feasting on any QB who delays getting the ball out. Shane Waldron has to design plays to minimize the effect of this NFL nightmare...Austin will have his hands full for sure...but he is an established vet who "hasn't played in two years"...he hasn't forgotten how to coordinate an offensive line via communication/Defensive line alignment recognition.

You're likely correct, that the long layoff probably hasn't affected his ability to make the calls on the OL. However, that's just one aspect of the position.

My point is that he's a question mark. He's a journeyman, this being his 4th stop in 7 seasons. If he were a quality starting center, he would have caught on somewhere.

[tarlhawk]

PFF grades are not some reliable crystal ball...their ratings reflect past performance not some visionary viewpoint of a resource utilized by an NFL team. It's popular to bash the Seahawks for various media sources. Much of it seems deserved but hardly a reason for fans to jump on the bandwagon. Reality serves up major obstacles but an NFL team with inspiration can either succumb to or overcome such adversity. Expectations are very low so the element of surprise coupled with the dogged determination unleashed by being labeled the underdog is there for the taking. The nice caveat is there is no burden of exceeded expectations/hopes...the emotional swing of talented youth can be a powerful force in such an environment.

[NorthHawk]

We haven't had a solid starting Center since we traded away Unger.
We've had some good play for short periods, but haven't had a good enough Center to man the position for a solid stretch of years.
It's part of Pete and John's inability to create a good OL.

As far as the rankings go, there are so many question marks along the line to rank them very high.
We have 4 OT's and a total of 2 years experience. The players with the experience had high draft picks selected at their positions so that doesn't say a lot about the future of their play in our Offense.
For some reason they moved Lewis who is a natural RG to LG last year and he regressed. Meanwhile, they traded for a Guard from LV who has played both RG and LG but played him at RG thus moving
Lewis.

So given the above, it's no wonder others looking in rank our OL as bad. Maybe in a couple of years if both draft picks develop things will be different, but as it stands, for this year, things look bleak.

[Aseahawkfan]

Our tackles look promising. If they can stay on the field and learn, I think they could be the best we've had since Walt and Locklear. Abe Lucas is the one I like even better than Cross. He sounds like the kind of mentality you need in the trenches. He won't take any crap and he plans to play aggressively. I'd rather seem him take some calls for aggressive play and learn, then get the hell beat out of him.

[RiverDog]

PFF grades are not some reliable crystal ball...their ratings reflect past performance not some visionary viewpoint of a resource utilized by an NFL team. It's popular to bash the Seahawks for various media sources. Much of it seems deserved but hardly a reason for fans to jump on the bandwagon. Reality serves up major obstacles but an NFL team with inspiration can either succumb to or overcome such adversity. Expectations are very low so the element of surprise coupled with the dogged determination unleashed by being labeled the underdog is there for the taking. The nice caveat is there is no burden of exceeded expectations/hopes...the emotional swing of talented youth can be a powerful force in such an environment.

I agree with you about PFF and even said that I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight in these evaluations. The offensive line is very difficult to quantify even when you have actual games to make observations. It's even less so when you're trying to evaluate paper players.

Having said that, PFF is the gold standard for player performance evaluation, so what they say does have a certain degree of credibility, more so than your garden variety talking head.

[TriCitySam]

Things we know:

* It takes a while for an OL to jell
* The '21 OL improved their play significantly in the last 4 or 5 games
* We have 2 new guys with talent

So, while PFF may be correct, if our OL can play like did the end of last year, we are not the worst. And, if our new guys can beat out the old guys and start, then the future looks brighter.

[RiverDog]

Things we know:

* It takes a while for an OL to jell
* The '21 OL improved their play significantly in the last 4 or 5 games
* We have 2 new guys with talent

So, while PFF may be correct, if our OL can play like did the end of last year, we are not the worst. And, if our new guys can beat out the old guys and start, then the future looks brighter.

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but as I keep pointing out when certain posters dance with glee over Penny's performance over the last part of the season, we need to keep things in context and remember just who our opponents were. Additionally, our end of season ranking, which incorporates all games and not just those against the weaklings, was pretty bad as PFF had us ranked 25th, a major setback from the previous season.

But on the other hand, I am very optimistic about our two tackles. I like what I've seen and read about both of them.

[NorthHawk]

Things we know:

* It takes a while for an OL to jell
* The '21 OL improved their play significantly in the last 4 or 5 games
* We have 2 new guys with talent

So, while PFF may be correct, if our OL can play like did the end of last year, we are not the worst. And, if our new guys can beat out the old guys and start, then the future looks brighter.

If we start the 2 rookies then we will be playing with an OL that has replaced 60% of the players and if
Haynes beats out Jackson 4 of the 5 who started last year will have been replaced.
So it’s difficult to use any success from last year to project to this year.

[Stream Hawk]

Sure thing, the line should struggle for a bit. We drafted 2 bookend tackles this draft for the first time in forever. I am actually ecstatic about the future of this team as it builds from the trenches.

Who cares about some random Internet ranking in the offseason? Our offensive line will probably suck for the first half of next year - maybe a little bit more? Then it will rock. I’ve seen this before and it ends well.

[NorthHawk]

Sure thing, the line should struggle for a bit. We drafted 2 bookend tackles this draft for the first time in forever. I am actually ecstatic about the future of this team as it builds from the trenches.

Who cares about some random Internet ranking in the offseason? Our offensive line will probably suck for the first half of next year - maybe a little bit more? Then it will rock. I’ve seen this before and it ends well.

Offensive lines usually take a couple of year to really get going which would fit in well if we draft a young QB next year. Then they would be on the same page 2 years from now.
On the other hand, I don't have much faith in this regime developing OL talent. They have never really been successful at it in their tenure. I hope this breaks the pattern.

[RiverDog]

Offensive lines usually take a couple of year to really get going which would fit in well if we draft a young QB next year. Then they would be on the same page 2 years from now.

On the other hand, I don't have much faith in this regime developing OL talent. They have never really been successful at it in their tenure. I hope this breaks the pattern.

That's my way of thinking, too, and like you, I have little confidence in Pete's willingness and/or ability to develop an offensive line. He's always undervalued it.

[NorthHawk]

They've tried to address the OL with 1st and 2nd round picks, but they haven't been successful.
That along with not solidifying the Center position leads me to believe they don't know how to build a proper OL.
But that might be like you said undervaluing it I suppose...

[RiverDog]

They've tried to address the OL with 1st and 2nd round picks, but they haven't been successful.
That along with not solidifying the Center position leads me to believe they don't know how to build a proper OL.
But that might be like you said undervaluing it I suppose...

Back before this year's draft, I did a little study that showed the 4 drafts from 2018-2021 compared to the 4 prior drafts, from 2014-2017, during the time when Tom Cable was our OL coach. What I found was that our number of picks and the average round they were taken in was dramatically different between those two periods of time.

Plus as we both have mentioned multiple times, we traded away a Pro Bowl center, without a viable plan to replace him, for a soft tight end that did not fit our scheme and who we had not a clue as to how to utilize.

Pete clearly undervalues the position group, which is one of the things about this past draft that was such a pleasant surprise for me.

[Hawktawk]

So we are worse than a 75 sack Cincy team? Well I guess they did get a play from a title . Russ was sacked 32 tines and left because he got hit too much .

Our line will be better than these lazy analysts basing everything on the Wilson departure . Bring it on .

[RiverDog]

So we are worse than a 75 sack Cincy team? Well I guess they did get a play from a title . Russ was sacked 32 tines and left because he got hit too much .

Our line will be better than these lazy analysts basing everything on the Wilson departure . Bring it on .

So PFF has a bunch of 'lazy analysts'? They are at the top of their industry and looked at as the gold standard. You can disagree with their rankings and opinions, but they are anything but 'lazy.'

[tarlhawk]

I would never say they are lazy analysts nor are they some "gold standard"...as analysts they are outsiders...a view from without and not within which makes them excellent for capsulizing past events based on carefully cultivated stats...but as I stated already that hardly puts them in the front seat of forecasting for future results/performance. The new coaching on both sides of the "house" offers an intangible "wild card" of what can be done.

Our team has talent ...it has been lacking depth of talent necessary to "absorb" the loss of key players whether due to injury or being traded/released. We are currently a "basement" team without the "basement attitude". Its really a win/win...we either outperform our perceived disadvantages thru youth and solid coaching...or we fail while fighting fiercely and gain the key elements of another solid 2023 drafting opportunity.

If you reduce our team to being like a rookie with very strong upside you can feel our team is heading up...and apparently up from the "depths" of media banishment. There are plenty of fans who only want on a bandwagon as it makes its final turn to destiny...but the trip getting there can be very fulfilling for those who embark on the beginning of the journey. Go Hawks

[RiverDog]

I would never say they are lazy analysts nor are they some "gold standard"...as analysts they are outsiders...a view from without and not within which makes them excellent for capsulizing past events based on carefully cultivated stats...but as I stated already that hardly puts them in the front seat of forecasting for future results/performance. The new coaching on both sides of the "house" offers an intangible "wild card" of what can be done.

I routinely hear Al Michaels and other commentators use PFF's rankings. Same with the talking heads on NFL Network, Colin Cowherd, etc. I have not heard or seen any other publication or service being quoted anywhere close to the frequency as PFF is. Thus, the term 'gold standard' is completely appropriate. That doesn't mean that we should take everything they write as the gospel truth, just that they are at the top of their field.

Our team has talent ...it has been lacking depth of talent necessary to "absorb" the loss of key players whether due to injury or being traded/released. We are currently a "basement" team without the "basement attitude". Its really a win/win...we either outperform our perceived disadvantages thru youth and solid coaching...or we fail while fighting fiercely and gain the key elements of another solid 2023 drafting opportunity.

If you reduce our team to being like a rookie with very strong upside you can feel our team is heading up...and apparently up from the "depths" of media banishment. There are plenty of fans who only want on a bandwagon as it makes its final turn to destiny...but the trip getting there can be very fulfilling for those who embark on the beginning of the journey. Go Hawks

I agree. I don't have very high expectations for this team, but that shouldn't relegate me to a bandwagoner or anything less than the rabid Hawk fan that I am.

[c_hawkbob]

Football Outsiders in the name of the outfit, not necessarily a description, and they are pretty much the best at what they do.

[RiverDog]

Football Outsiders in the name of the outfit, not necessarily a description, and they are pretty much the best at what they do.

I wasn't aware that they were associated with Football Outsiders. But yeah, just about everybody uses them...ESPN, Fox Sports, NBC Sports, NFL.com, and so on.

[Hawktawk]

I just don’t see “ worst “ here . I guess we will see . I still think that there is a perception around the league with analysts that Russ was all we had , that he masked huge deficiencies. I’d wholeheartedly agree for 8.5 seasons . Last year the Philadelphia Eagles were the only team that threw in the middle less then Seattle and the only reason we weren’t last was GENO pulling our average up by actually running the offense . I read this in a SB nation article discussing the problems with Russels current game and speculating on how to fix it .

The line will benefit from getting the ball out quick and a running game . We will see .

[NorthHawk]

What they are looking at is a snapshot of today, not what might be sometime during the season or next year.
So at this point they are probably pretty accurate and it might turn out to be accurate all year as the rookies make mistakes as they develop.

[Aseahawkfan]

I just don’t see “ worst “ here . I guess we will see . I still think that there is a perception around the league with analysts that Russ was all we had , that he masked huge deficiencies. I’d wholeheartedly agree for 8.5 seasons . Last year the Philadelphia Eagles were the only team that threw in the middle less then Seattle and the only reason we weren’t last was GENO pulling our average up by actually running the offense . I read this in a SB nation article discussing the problems with Russels current game and speculating on how to fix it .

The line will benefit from getting the ball out quick and a running game . We will see .

You're one of the few people thinking a rookie O-line and two backup QBs are going to shock the world and perform better than the 10 year elite veteran we traded who still had top 10 stats even in a year he missed 3 and a half games due to injury and was top 5 in QB rating and efficiency.

The wake up call is coming for you. I want to see what excuses you come up with when Geno who went 1 and 2 "running the offense right" in your mind, which you never admit to. While Russ went 4-2 at the end of the season and Penny had his big 5 game run when Russ was QB, not Geno. But you can never explain that part or give credit to Russ for making the pass game legit enough to back the run defense off.

Defenses won't respect Geno or Locke until they make them. Geno didn't make anyone respect him last year. He's just some backup that may not even beat out Locke and we may still trade for Baker or pick up Jimmie. That will just be more proof that all your talk of Carroll liking Geno was just as empty as Carroll's talk of not trading Russell. As empty as your yapping.

[Hawktawk]

I just don’t see “ worst “ here . I guess we will see . I still think that there is a perception around the league with analysts that Russ was all we had , that he masked huge deficiencies. I’d wholeheartedly agree for 8.5 seasons . Last year the Philadelphia Eagles were the only team that threw in the middle less then Seattle and the only reason we weren’t last was GENO pulling our average up by actually running the offense . I read this in a SB nation article discussing the problems with Russels current game and speculating on how to fix it .

The line will benefit from getting the ball out quick and a running game . We will see .


You're one of the few people thinking a rookie O-line and two backup QBs are going to shock the world and perform better than the 10 year elite veteran we traded who still had top 10 stats even in a year he missed 3 and a half games due to injury and was top 5 in QB rating and efficiency.

The wake up call is coming for you. I want to see what excuses you come up with when Geno who went 1 and 2 "running the offense right" in your mind, which you never admit to. While Russ went 4-2 at the end of the season and Penny had his big 5 game run when Russ was QB, not Geno. But you can never explain that part or give credit to Russ for making the pass game legit enough to back the run defense off.

Defenses won't respect Geno or Locke until they make them. Geno didn't make anyone respect him last year. He's just some backup that may not even beat out Locke and we may still trade for Baker or pick up Jimmie. That will just be more proof that all your talk of Carroll liking Geno was just as empty as Carroll's talk of not trading Russell. As empty as your yapping.

The run sets up the pass. You are incorrect to credit Russ for the way penny ran the ball. You sound ridiculous. Hell we had Beast Mode and the LOB and he never averaged over 6 ypc over any 6 game stretch. In that time we played one really good team, the world champs where Russel had one of his worst PFF grades of the year. Not a coincidence the Rams loaded up to stop the run and forced Wilson to try to beat them through the air. The results were obvious. The run was held to about 4 ypc, Penny 3.9. Not nothing but not enough for Wilson to take his moon shots.

Russ in 7 quarters vs the Rams 17 points. Geno in one quarter 10. Russ 1-3 against the backups including his performance against the terrible Lions. Last I saw of Geno he completed 80% and also the type of rush TD Russ could never attempt, over the top with a smash in the mouth for the effort. "Ive never had a ball like that" from geno and yes it was against a bad team. Perfect pete ball .

But Detroit proves something about Russ and Jax who held Buffalo to 6 the following week while Russel Scissorhands threw the season away proved nothing about Geno. Gotcha
. And as the reverse and correct analysis of these 6 games Geno had nothing resembling the run game Russ had to run play action off of with the man going for 175 in Russells best game in years. But even in the final game here 2 dumb ass mistakes leading immediately to 14 points. With Penny going for 195.
I KNOW WHO GENO IS FOR THE LAST GOD DAMN TIME. Hes a backup who played starter quality. Nothing more and nothing less.

You talk about 1-2, how about 6 of last 14? Including 11-29 and a pick 6 in playoff game to a team he beat a few weeks earlier with the same scheme and defense etc. Answer that. Russ has 4 picks in his last 6 playoff losses since 49. 2 pick 6s.

Id be delighted if Locke beats Geno. He has more potential upside but If its Geno it will NOT be a downgrade from what we saw and heard out of Wilson the last year and a half of his whining complaining blame shifting checked out existence here.He s going 0-1. hes not the same. John Swindles Denver. You should be happy, not ragging on a poster with some optimism but its what you do. Go kiss your Wilson picture.

[NorthHawk]

If you believe what Pete says - and you seem to like to do that, Geno is ahead of Lock for now but Pete expects him to catch up by TC.
Not much of a vote of confidence for Geno, is it?
So at the QB position we will be going from a perennial Pro Bowl QB to a backup whoever it is.
And you think it's an upgrade?

[Hawktawk]

If you believe what Pete says - and you seem to like to do that, Geno is ahead of Lock for now but Pete expects him to catch up by TC.
Not much of a vote of confidence for Geno, is it?
So at the QB position we will be going from a perennial Pro Bowl QB to a backup whoever it is.
And you think it's an upgrade?

I've said till im blue in the face I DONT GIVE A DAMN WHO STARTS. The win now guy. Geno played well enough to win 10 plus if everyone does their part. 1-2 yeah but 98 yard drive and 10 points off the bench in the 4th quarter to keep us in the rams game. 2 missed field goal's by Meyers on a rainy night vs the Saints and one of the best defenses we played in NO who SHUT OUT TOM BRADY 2 WEEKS LATER KIND OF LIKE WHAT GB DID TO RUSS. First start in 5 years against a team with 55 sacks last year, 5 on Geno by Watt,3 tip[ped passes still 72% completion , completions to TEN DIFFERNT RECIEVERS. 102 RATING AND THE ONLY 2 MINUTE DRIVE AT THE END OF REGUILATION ALL YEAR. 6 points and a receiver falling down or tripped or whatever from winning every appearance. Playing 3 of the toughest defenses we faced and a bad team that gave up 6 to one of my favorite QBs Josh Allen.
RUSS WAS 0-3 IN SITUATIONS HE USED TO BE CLUTCH AS CLUTCH GETS.

Russ wasn't a pro bowl QB with a 6-8 record losing to Tyler Heinike, Colt McCoy and Nick Foles. The game is a joke and needs eliminated.

This I know.3-6 in his last 9 playoff games. 6-9 in his last 15 games.
Also North whoever is our starter will be the "starter". Not backup.

The offense will be better next year, more balanced, greater time of possession, more PPG.

I dont care who is QB. They bring in Mayfield fine. He beat the Steelers in the WC at Heinz field field with a left tackle he met in the locker room in 2020 while Russ was wetting his pants going 11-29 with a pick 6 working on his "hit too much" speech. With Donald out half the game BTW.
Garoppolo? He went 2-1 vs the world champs, almost won the playoff game and has now been in a super bowl and a conference championship since Russ won a playoff game. This offense got Goff to a super bowl. Anyone consider him even a decent QB now ?
The sky is falling in your minds, nowhere else. we will be fine. Russ will regret making the biggest mistake of his career. I hear hes got his "personal" QB coach Jake Heaps in Denver now which worked really well last couple years. Im sure Hackett will be happy that guy is in Russell's ear. Good luck with your first HC job Hackett. There more to come.
Lets get it on.

[Aseahawkfan]

The run sets up the pass. You are incorrect to credit Russ for the way penny ran the ball. You sound ridiculous. Hell we had Beast Mode and the LOB and he never averaged over 6 ypc over any 6 game stretch. In that time we played one really good team, the world champs where Russel had one of his worst PFF grades of the year. Not a coincidence the Rams loaded up to stop the run and forced Wilson to try to beat them through the air. The results were obvious. The run was held to about 4 ypc, Penny 3.9. Not nothing but not enough for Wilson to take his moon shots.

Russ in 7 quarters vs the Rams 17 points. Geno in one quarter 10. Russ 1-3 against the backups including his performance against the terrible Lions. Last I saw of Geno he completed 80% and also the type of rush TD Russ could never attempt, over the top with a smash in the mouth for the effort. "Ive never had a ball like that" from geno and yes it was against a bad team. Perfect pete ball .

But Detroit proves something about Russ and Jax who held Buffalo to 6 the following week while Russel Scissorhands threw the season away proved nothing about Geno. Gotcha
. And as the reverse and correct analysis of these 6 games Geno had nothing resembling the run game Russ had to run play action off of with the man going for 175 in Russells best game in years. But even in the final game here 2 dumb ass mistakes leading immediately to 14 points. With Penny going for 195.
I KNOW WHO GENO IS FOR THE LAST GOD DAMN TIME. Hes a backup who played starter quality. Nothing more and nothing less.

You talk about 1-2, how about 6 of last 14? Including 11-29 and a pick 6 in playoff game to a team he beat a few weeks earlier with the same scheme and defense etc. Answer that. Russ has 4 picks in his last 6 playoff losses since 49. 2 pick 6s.

Id be delighted if Locke beats Geno. He has more potential upside but If its Geno it will NOT be a downgrade from what we saw and heard out of Wilson the last year and a half of his whining complaining blame shifting checked out existence here.He s going 0-1. hes not the same. John Swindles Denver. You should be happy, not ragging on a poster with some optimism but its what you do. Go kiss your Wilson picture.

A passing game does force the defense to open up for the run game. They did not respect Geno's passing game and thus the run game could not get going. Whereas they had no choice but to respect Russell's passing game, which forced a two dimensional offensive attack which forced the defense to play the run and pass. That allows us to dictate.

We saw the same thing many times in Russ's career when he was hot and we had a quality RB with the offense firing on all cylinders racking up points.

You're just too ridiculous bitter to see Seattle let their best QB walk and haven't been able to process it mentally, so you're lashing out and in the denial phase of losing our franchise QB.

It's like the little Hawktawk is sitting inside your subconscious lashing out at Russell rocking back and forth saying, "Everyone's going to be just fine. Just fine. Russell wasn't important. He wasn't that good." While the part of your mind that actually knows football well is screaming, "Son of a biiiiiiii...... Russell is gone. We are totally screwed. We lost our franchise QB. What the hell did we just do." You won't let that guy out until next year when your brain can no longer hide what your eyes will see.