Our Running Back Room (Bright Hope)

[tarlhawk]

The running back room is set to be unleashed on our 2022 opponents:

Rashaad Penny HT/WT 5'11/ 220 Age 26 Career 5 yrs Drafted 2018 1rst rd (pick 27)
Contract/Impact 5.5 million (5.1 M if cut) 2022 only

Fan Input : Rashaad Penny closed out 2021 by turning heads with many in national media caught by surprise. Having studied for their quick comments they focused on his injury plagued career and pointing out his 5th year contract not being picked up. IMO Penny sorted things out above the shoulders...the mental breakdown of suffering a major injury for a young athlete can be lasting and linger into follow on minor injuries. The good news is Rashaad looked very fit in mini-camp and his media conference reflected a man who still feels a chip on his shoulder to prove the 2021 ending was just a reflection of what his skill set offers when he has found personal happiness.


Chris Carson HT/WT 6'0 / 218 Age 28 Career 6 yrs Drafted 2017 7th rd (pick 249)
Contract/Impact 6.1 million (save 3.1 M but would be 3 M cap hit if cut) 2022 only

Fan Input : A true "wild card" is Chris Carson as his significant neck injury paints him as a boon or bust candidate with the "after June" (cap hit) casualties looming just beyond ...when his injury recovery will be better known. Can Carson make it to Camp? His pay "demands" more than a spot player with limited rushing reps...so the "steep hill" of staying relevant is muddled at best.


Kenneth Walker III HT/WT 5'9 / 209 Age 22 Career Rookie Drafted 2022 2nd rd (pick 41)
Contract/Impact 4 yrs Unsigned 2022/2023/2024/2025

Given the opportunity to draft a top flight running back with very high upside the Seahawks wasted no time making Kenneth Walker III their 2nd selection of the 2nd rd. Similar to the burst and tackle breaking effort offered by Penny ...Ken is a rare blend of being explosive and elusive and arrives with top flight fitness...he looks the part of being someone special. Ken won the Doak award as college footballs top running back and is untapped as a receiving option in space. He'll only be held back by how quickly he learns the role of pass protection...a role that has kept Travis Homer on the field during 3rd and long situations.


Travis Homer HT/WT 5'11/ 195 Age 24 Career 4 yrs Drafted 2019 6th rd (pick 204)
Contract/Impact 1 million (36K if cut) 2022 only

Fan Input : Travis Homer has dedicated a strong work ethic toward chiseling his body physically and will be hard for opposing pass rushers to "toss aside". Travis also displays quick burst whenever called upon on the run option draw play.


DeeJay Dallas HT/WT 5'10/ 217 Age 24 Career 3 yrs Drafted 2020 4th rd (pick 144)
Contract/Impact 1 million Signed 2022/2023

Fan Input : DeeJay Dallas is barely holding a roster spot as our Kickoff Returner...if he loses that to Bo Melton or Dee Eskridge...then he'll be fighting to keep Josh Johnson from claiming a spot.


Josh Johnson HT/WT 5'9/ 208 Age 25 Career 1 yr Undrafted Free Agent (May 2021)
Contract/Impact 800K

Fan Input: Saw limited time being called up from the Practice Squad under special Covid rules...Josh is a big bruising back trying to squeeze onto the roster/slim chance

Final thoughts : As strong a position group as our WR...our RB impact promises to make life easier for whoever our QB is ...adding balance and play action opportunities.

[RiverDog]

Nothing about Nick Bellore? Sure, he doesn't get a lot of touches, but he's the team captain of our special teams and our best blocking RB.

[NorthHawk]

If all of our RBs could stay healthy, it would be a good RB group.
However, Carson may have played his last game in the NFL with his neck injury - the eternal optimist Pete Carroll hinted at that recently.
Our second RB, Penny can't stay healthy so expect only 8 to 10 games from him.
DJ and Homer are situational RBs and good on ST.
That leaves us with an unproven rookie in Walker. I have high hopes for him and think he can be special, but one player doesn't make a group.
At some point he's going to be called upon to carry the load. Let's hope he's up to it.
And I haven't even got to the inexperience on the OL...

[tarlhawk]

Nothing about Nick Bellore? Sure, he doesn't get a lot of touches, but he's the team captain of our special teams and our best blocking RB.

True...Nick Bellore is a Fullback run blocker by nature who has been used as our team's "Swiss Army Knife" on our roster (RB/LB/ST) since being signed in May of 2019. I fear his great personality is "at risk" as a potential roster cut...he was signed in 2011 by the New York Jets as an undrafted free agent and played 2011-2014 (NYJ)...2015/2016 (SF49ers)...2017/2018 (Det Lions) and finally us. As a 33 yr old 6'1 250 LB NFL player he makes 2.8 Million with 2022 as last yr of contract. If cut he would cost us 600K in dead money. Youth movements are sometimes at the expense of proven vets.

[RiverDog]

Nothing about Nick Bellore? Sure, he doesn't get a lot of touches, but he's the team captain of our special teams and our best blocking RB.

True...Nick Bellore is a Fullback run blocker by nature who has been used as our team's "Swiss Army Knife" on our roster (RB/LB/ST) since being signed in May of 2019. I fear his great personality is "at risk" as a potential roster cut...he was signed in 2011 by the New York Jets as an undrafted free agent and played 2011-2014 (NYJ)...2015/2016 (SF49ers)...2017/2018 (Det Lions) and finally us. As a 33 yr old 6'1 250 LB NFL player he makes 2.8 Million with 2022 as last yr of contract. If cut he would cost us 600K in dead money. Youth movements are sometimes at the expense of proven vets.

You make good points about Bellore, and whether or not we keep him might be a signal as to if our coaching staff feels that we're in rebuild mode. He's one of those players that makes enough contributions to our team that he's worth it if we're contending, but takes up a valuable roster spot for a player that's not part of our future if we're in a rebuild mode.

[Old but Slow]

As the "Swiss army knife", I would be surprised to see him go. Bellore can fill 3 different roles and in all 3 phases of the game. When Homer is your only decent blocking back, and you want to run more, it seems prudent to keep a fullback. On defense he provides decent depth at linebacker, and he is strong on special teams. Also, as a locker room presence he adds value.

Bellore would be an easy cut, with no media uproar, and he is over 30, but his versatility is the kind of thing that Pete values.

[NorthHawk]

As the "Swiss army knife", I would be surprised to see him go. Bellore can fill 3 different roles and in all 3 phases of the game. When Homer is your only decent blocking back, and you want to run more, it seems prudent to keep a fullback. On defense he provides decent depth at linebacker, and he is strong on special teams. Also, as a locker room presence he adds value.

Bellore would be an easy cut, with no media uproar, and he is over 30, but his versatility is the kind of thing that Pete values.

I think the same way, ObS.

[RiverDog]

As the "Swiss army knife", I would be surprised to see him go. Bellore can fill 3 different roles and in all 3 phases of the game. When Homer is your only decent blocking back, and you want to run more, it seems prudent to keep a fullback. On defense he provides decent depth at linebacker, and he is strong on special teams. Also, as a locker room presence he adds value.

Bellore would be an easy cut, with no media uproar, and he is over 30, but his versatility is the kind of thing that Pete values.

If we were a contender, I'd be four square in agreement with you. But as you noted, he's on the plus side of 30, so he's not in our future, and if we're going to tank anyway, what's the sense of keeping him around at the expense of some other prospect we like?

We'll see if he's on the roster come September. If he his, then it would be a strong indication that Pete doesn't think that we're rebuilding.

[NorthHawk]

Some guys are “culture bearers” to coin a phrase and are more valuable than just their on field
production. He might be one of those that will help in the rebuild with the young players.

[Hawktawk]

Nothing about Nick Bellore? Sure, he doesn't get a lot of touches, but he's the team captain of our special teams and our best blocking RB.

He’s a damn good linebacker too. Remarkable athlete

[Hawktawk]

My concern with the group is injuries . Pete sounds like he’s trying to convince Carson it’s time for his long term health . Penny had the twanged hammy and I’ve heard Walker 3 is also battling a hamstring issues . Like any other position injuries will determine a lot but we have the potential to have 2 guys over 1k and 20 plus TDs in the run game . I love Homer he’s a big play guy on special teams and as a change up .
We are not hurting at the position. Even if Carson is done .

[Hawktawk]

We’re a contender .

[Aseahawkfan]

Seems like the usual shotgun approach to try to find a consistent RB that can stay healthy. May the best man win.

Kenneth Walker is the new rookie unknown. Carson is the grizzled veteran trying to recover from what might be a career ending injury. Penny is the young guy plagued by injuries who earned one more shot with an epic 5 game performance that kept his dying career alive.

Not sure about the other guys. Hopefully can be good depth or a surprise.

[trents]

Are you sure those size an weight stats are accurate for Penny and Carson? Penny looks considerably bigger than Carson to me. And Carson does not look like he is 6' tall on the field.

[RiverDog]

We’re a contender .

For what? The #1 overall?

[Hawktawk]

We’re a contender .

For what? The #1 overall?

LOL youre delusional. Far worse than me. Truly you are.

10-7 WC then we will see. Starting with 1-0 on MNF.

[Hawktawk]

Are you sure those size an weight stats are accurate for Penny and Carson? Penny looks considerably bigger than Carson to me. And Carson does not look like he is 6' tall on the field.

Ive Penny listed anywhere from 220 to 235. Whatever it is the dude hauls it down the field rapidly

Carsons a big dude too. But his style is why hes where he is, a battering ram that refuses to surrender against overwhelming odds. It gets him hurt. For his physical style Lynch played at 216 in his prime and was remarkably elusive in the phone booth between the tackles, never gave up both legs , dealt the blow . Penny is a bigger SA with another gear. A north south runner, not a slasher but slippery, like water running downhill very rapidly. His severe injury was caused by a DB chopping him in the knee 16 yards downfield on a pass play, his only touch of the game a couple weeks after going off for 138 on 14 carries , a 9.3 average. I was a bit disappointed with Wyman the other day, they were discussing Penny . Wyman is quite skeptical of Penny's late season resurgence but said " he never had a game like that before being injured." Dude has averaged 6.1 yards a carry when targeted 10 or more times for his career including that insane game. The laziness of even the local beat reporters is astounding and as it pertains to our situation, the trade, our roster, the potential of Geno and Lock or lack thereof etc the national sports media has no clue whatsoever.

Carson cant touch a healthy Penney as a weapon, never could. Even as a rookie he had around 450 yards on 85 carries picking up the scraps. Penny is a huge part of my extreme optimism for next season along with Walker assuming hes not the next Penny as far as the injury bug. Were way ahead of a year ago at the position.

[RiverDog]

We’re a contender.

For what? The #1 overall?

LOL youre delusional. Far worse than me. Truly you are.

10-7 WC then we will see. Starting with 1-0 on MNF.

I'm delusional? Should we take a poll, who's more delusional, me or you? The results might be interesting.

BTW, you seem to have come down in your forecasted wins. You were predicting a minimum of 10 wins. Is 10 your new expectation, meaning that it could be worse?

[Hawktawk]

I’m concerned somewhat about DK if we’re gonna win 10 minimum . He’s worth a couple wins on his own . Not that we can’t win 10 or more without him though . Yeah you are ridiculous predicting we are the worst team in the league . Regardless of who has been under center Pete has never won less than 6 games in the NFL with teams . He has produced playoff teams at all 3 spots and won a playoff game with a backup in New England . He got to the playoffs with a backup qb in Seattle and won beast mode with a broken down Matt Hasslebeck , convinced that team they could knock off a far superior team . I think they were 14 point dogs . We have plenty of good to great to potentially great to contend . We have better matchup people then beast quake . But Sept 12 is gonna be like that emotionally for us except we are far closer in talent . Russ is top 10 by default , top 5 arm , bottom 20 instincts these days . Our mishmash of Geno and Lock was ranked 25th in a poll I saw, ahead of guys like Darnold and Daniel Jones and Taylor Heinike who outplayed and beat Russ who put up 13 points .

Yeah we’re going 1-0 for sure but I think you will all eat crow . You don’t respect Carrol enough . He didn’t become a great coach when he got Wilson . Addition by subtraction. I cannot wait for MNF.

[RiverDog]

I’m concerned somewhat about DK if we’re gonna win 10 minimum . He’s worth a couple wins on his own . Not that we can’t win 10 or more without him though . Yeah you are ridiculous predicting we are the worst team in the league . Regardless of who has been under center Pete has never won less than 6 games in the NFL with teams . He has produced playoff teams at all 3 spots and won a playoff game with a backup in New England . He got to the playoffs with a backup qb in Seattle and won beast mode with a broken down Matt Hasslebeck , convinced that team they could knock off a far superior team . I think they were 14 point dogs . We have plenty of good to great to potentially great to contend . We have better matchup people then beast quake . But Sept 12 is gonna be like that emotionally for us except we are far closer in talent . Russ is top 10 by default , top 5 arm , bottom 20 instincts these days . Our mishmash of Geno and Lock was ranked 25th in a poll I saw, ahead of guys like Darnold and Daniel Jones and Taylor Heinike who outplayed and beat Russ who put up 13 points .

Yeah we’re going 1-0 for sure but I think you will all eat crow . You don’t respect Carrol enough . He didn’t become a great coach when he got Wilson . Addition by subtraction. I cannot wait for MNF.

Where did I predict that we'd be the worst team in the league? I said earlier that I'd bet on us to win more than 5 games but never issued a prediction that I'm aware of.

Pete's record of never winning less than 6 games in the NFL offers no comfort whatsoever. He had also never fielded a passing defense ranked 2nd worst in the league until 2020.

As far as the Sept. 12th game, yes, there'll be a lot of hubub leading up to the game, mostly media driven and designed to enhance viewership, but once the whistle blows, that's all going away as far as the players are concerned. You're looking at it as some sort of grudge match between Russell and the returning players on our roster, and I don't see any evidence of that being the case. Pete isn't going to be putting Russell's statements on the locker room bulletin board to get his players motivated. Any animosity, if any exists, is going to be between Russell and Pete, not the team in general. As far as the players or coaches are concerned, it's going to be Week 1 of a 17 game season.

[Hawktawk]

Where did I predict that we'd be the worst team in the league? I said earlier that I'd bet on us to win more than 5 games but never issued a prediction that I'm aware of.

Pete's record of never winning less than 6 games in the NFL offers no comfort whatsoever. He had also never fielded a passing defense ranked 2nd worst in the league until 2020.

As far as the Sept. 12th game, yes, there'll be a lot of hubub leading up to the game, mostly media driven and designed to enhance viewership, but once the whistle blows, that's all going away as far as the players are concerned. You're looking at it as some sort of grudge match between Russell and the returning players on our roster, and I don't see any evidence of that being the case. Pete isn't going to be putting Russell's statements on the locker room bulletin board to get his players motivated. Any animosity, if any exists, is going to be between Russell and Pete, not the team in general. As far as the players or coaches are concerned, it's going to be Week 1 of a 17 game season.

You responded to my comment about Seattle being a contender with your pop off about the first pick . So that’s what I was responding to . You said it .

You dramatically underestimate the men in that Seattle locker room and coaching staff if you think it’s just week one . The league knows better which is why it’s prime time first week Lmao

To a man and certainly in the case of Pete and John there is an anger at a man who turned on them , cast doubt on their ability to win . Had his agent dropping F bombs on Schneider . Teammates saying he checked out . If you think it doesn’t matter and won’t be factor you’re deluded. And as for Russ , wow man back so soon , thanks for the memories . Coming back a 3.5 point pick on the road with a roster that is top to bottom not a lot better , worse at skill position . A line that gave up 40 sacks . Russ took 32 last year and won 6 games . They haven’t been to the playoffs in 6 seasons . First time ever in the league HC who was the qb coach for one of the most disciplined slippery pocket masters in the history of the game . Good luck Nathaniel . No pressure . Your qb is god like . You’re expected to win .

But he has to win . Russell can’t be motor mouth Mighty Mouse and go to a team “a quarterback away “ and come lose where he said he couldn’t win with these stiffs . No pressure . he’s going to get exposed and hit too much . Book it .

[RiverDog]

Where did I predict that we'd be the worst team in the league? I said earlier that I'd bet on us to win more than 5 games but never issued a prediction that I'm aware of.

Pete's record of never winning less than 6 games in the NFL offers no comfort whatsoever. He had also never fielded a passing defense ranked 2nd worst in the league until 2020.

As far as the Sept. 12th game, yes, there'll be a lot of hubub leading up to the game, mostly media driven and designed to enhance viewership, but once the whistle blows, that's all going away as far as the players are concerned. You're looking at it as some sort of grudge match between Russell and the returning players on our roster, and I don't see any evidence of that being the case. Pete isn't going to be putting Russell's statements on the locker room bulletin board to get his players motivated. Any animosity, if any exists, is going to be between Russell and Pete, not the team in general. As far as the players or coaches are concerned, it's going to be Week 1 of a 17 game season.

You responded to my comment about Seattle being a contender with your pop off about the first pick . So that’s what I was responding to . You said it.

You are confusing sarcasm with an actual prediction.

You dramatically underestimate the men in that Seattle locker room and coaching staff if you think it’s just week one . The league knows better which is why it’s prime time first week Lmao

Neither you nor me has any idea what the atmosphere is like inside the Seahawks locker room, which is why I said that I saw 'no evidence' of what you claim to be the truth. The grudge match is in your mind, but not necessarily in the team's minds. Heck, we don't even know who all is going to be on the roster yet.

The reason why the NFL chose the Hawks/Broncos game for their MNF opener is pretty obvious. There's a huge amount of fan interest in the Russell Wilson trade. Even if the trade hadn't happened, both teams have very dedicated fan bases, so it would be a pretty good call for the opener in any season. It's a good ratings magnet.

[Hawktawk]

Call it an educated assumption . Every man on that team knows what Russ says , what he did. It will matter . You think guys like diggs and Adams , Brooks are gonna bow down to a guy who couldn’t get it done while they battled their rears off. An offense he couldn’t win with . Having managed people for 40 years I’ve seen Russell Wilson leave , I’ve even fired a guy like that once and it wasn’t that bad on the crew. Better actually . People are people . Seattle cares . And the donkey team knows they have to win because they are this dream team now let’s get ready to rumble .

[Hawktawk]

As to OP our running back room is ranked 13 . If Carson comes back it’s top 3 but not too many expect it . Penny is healthy coming out of minicamp . We’re going to run on everybody .

[NorthHawk]

Typically the player traded away is the one with something to prove, not the team that remained.
In this case Russ wanted out, so he won’t have the extra incentive to “get even or show them that they
we’re wrong trading him” and the remaining Seahawks aren’t bitter he left.
So where’s the animosity?

[Aseahawkfan]

Typically the player traded away is the one with something to prove, not the team that remained.
In this case Russ wanted out, so he won’t have the extra incentive to “get even or show them that they
we’re wrong trading him” and the remaining Seahawks aren’t bitter he left.
So where’s the animosity?

I understand the thought process with the whole "something to prove" idea. I don't believe it myself. The team with better talent will win more often than not regardless of attitude. Talent will make coaches look better than they are or the lack of it make a coach look worse.

When Russ returns to Seattle, it will all depend on who the talent is going against each other. If Denver has more mature talent as it looks like we're starting rookie tackles against what many consider a good defense and that's going to be rough on them. We'll have two new QBs who I have no idea if they will be able to read the defense and adjust the O-line like Russ could with his ten years of experience.

Hawktawk is the only person I know of that thinks rookie tackles are going to come out pass and run blocking like pro bowlers, both of them, in fact every rookie we have and there won't be any degradation of talent with the loss of Duane Brown or Russ's experience managing a pass rush and blocking against NFL d-lines. I think he's in for a rude awakening as far as how well rookie tackles handle the transition from college to the NFL myself, but he can do what he wants in the offseason until he sees he has way too high of expectations for rookie tackles. The reality is we're rebuilding and starting rookie tackles is a clear sign we are in a rebuild as well as a QB competition in camp. Pete isn't looking at either of these guys as "his new QB". We haven't had a QB competition in 10 years because Russ held that position. You know you're in a rebuild when we're back at that point where every position is a competition again.

As far as Russ coming in and going to town, he should if his receivers are good. We have lost all the experience on defense. Wagner is gone. He used to set everything along the front and knew the defense like the back of his hand. Wagner isn't just great because he made a lot of tackles, he was great because he was a great athlete and was a great leader and film room student. The focus is so much on Russ being gone by one individual, he forgets we'll playing against Bobby Wagner on the other side who knows our offense and will be highly focused on positioning the Denver defense against us after making reads.

Wagner may not be the Bobby of 5 or 6 years ago, but he's still an amazing defensive leader and has tons of experience managing a defense.

Even if Hawktawk is thinking like some disgruntled fan wanting to prove some point, the players like each other. They will have zero animosity towards Russ and Bobby Wagner, who they played with most of their career. Basically, both our offensive and defensive team leaders are in Denver now. Our guys on our team like both of them. I never heard anyone on the team say a bad thing about Russ or Bobby. After the game, I expect Russ and Bobby to both have fun talking to the Seattle guys win or lose. Those are guys are their friends and teammates. Russ used to spend a ton of offseason time with Tyler and DK honing their skills together.

Only guy acting like a jackass is Hawktawk on these forums, Bobby, Russ, DK, Tyler, and the Seattle players are all tight and they are friends with a lot of great memories playing together. As far as I've seen in the NFL, once you play together it's like being in the military together: teammates for life. Probably one of the reasons Bobby was so comfortable going to Denver where he would be around Russ who he knows well.

[RiverDog]

Typically the player traded away is the one with something to prove, not the team that remained. In this case Russ wanted out, so he won’t have the extra incentive to “get even or show them that they we’re wrong trading him” and the remaining Seahawks aren’t bitter he left.
So where’s the animosity?

Even if Hawktawk is thinking like some disgruntled fan wanting to prove some point, the players like each other. They will have zero animosity towards Russ and Bobby Wagner, who they played with most of their career. Basically, both our offensive and defensive team leaders are in Denver now. Our guys on our team like both of them. I never heard anyone on the team say a bad thing about Russ or Bobby. After the game, I expect Russ and Bobby to both have fun talking to the Seattle guys win or lose. Those are guys are their friends and teammates. Russ used to spend a ton of offseason time with Tyler and DK honing their skills together.

I agree with both those takes. Except for one poster's "reading between the lines", there is no evidence whatsoever of any kind of rift between Russell and the other players on the team. There's going to be excitement and a little trash talking from both sidelines just as there always is, but nothing more than what you'd expect out of your garden variety, nationally televised season opener.

It's not like it used to be, when teams and players literally hated each other. I can remember some real donny brooks between the Chiefs and Raiders. Same with Bears-Packers, Rams-Niners, and Cowboys-Redskins. Free agency eliminated that, and most of what remains is in the exclusive domain of us fans.

[Aseahawkfan]

I agree with both those takes. Except for one poster's "reading between the lines", there is no evidence whatsoever of any kind of rift between Russell and the other players on the team. There's going to be excitement and a little trash talking from both sidelines just as there always is, but nothing more than what you'd expect out of your garden variety, nationally televised season opener.

It's not like it used to be, when teams and players literally hated each other. I can remember some real donny brooks between the Chiefs and Raiders. Same with Bears-Packers, Rams-Niners, and Cowboys-Redskins. Free agency eliminated that, and most of what remains is in the exclusive domain of us fans.

Cowboys and Steelers too. I'll always remember some Steeler defenders picking up Roger Staubach while he was holding on to the ball for dear life while one had his feet and one had his shoulder pads and they were swinging him back and forth trying to get him to cough up the ball. That would not fly at all nowadays. Be huge penalties and ejections if that happened. Back then, it was just part of the game.

[RiverDog]

I agree with both those takes. Except for one poster's "reading between the lines", there is no evidence whatsoever of any kind of rift between Russell and the other players on the team. There's going to be excitement and a little trash talking from both sidelines just as there always is, but nothing more than what you'd expect out of your garden variety, nationally televised season opener.

It's not like it used to be, when teams and players literally hated each other. I can remember some real donny brooks between the Chiefs and Raiders. Same with Bears-Packers, Rams-Niners, and Cowboys-Redskins. Free agency eliminated that, and most of what remains is in the exclusive domain of us fans.

Cowboys and Steelers too. I'll always remember some Steeler defenders picking up Roger Staubach while he was holding on to the ball for dear life while one had his feet and one had his shoulder pads and they were swinging him back and forth trying to get him to cough up the ball. That would not fly at all nowadays. Be huge penalties and ejections if that happened. Back then, it was just part of the game.

I'll never forget when Ben Davidson of the Raiders piled onto Chief's QB Len Dawson and Chief's WR Otis Taylor going after him and starting a fight that resulted in a bench clearing brawl that ironically was the key play to a Raiders win:

On November 1, 1970, the Kansas City Chiefs led the Raiders 17–14 late in the fourth quarter, and a long run for a first-down by Chiefs quarterback Len Dawson apparently sealed victory for the Chiefs in the final minute when Dawson, as he lay on the ground, was speared by Davidson, who dove into Dawson with his helmet, provoking Chiefs’ receiver Otis Taylor to attack Davidson. After a bench-clearing brawl, offsetting penalties were called, nullifying the first down under the rules in effect at that time. The Chiefs were obliged to punt, and the Raiders tied the game on a George Blanda field goal with eight seconds to play. Davidson's play not only cost the Chiefs a win, but Oakland won the AFC West with a season record of 8–4–2, while Kansas City finished 7–5–2 and out of the playoffs. After the season, the NFL changed its rules regarding personal fouls, separating them from ones called during the play, and ones called after the play.

Them were the days....

[Hawktawk]

So now I guess believing my team of 45 years will have extra motivation to smash Wilson makes me the Lone Ranger ? I’m a Jackass Asea ? For what ? Choosing my team and coach over a guy who didn’t want to be here ?

You people don’t trust Pete or John or the guys who battled while check out checked out and finally checked out of the area code . You think we’re lost , Pete can’t coach , rosters awful . Blah blah blah . That the guys in our locker won’t have blood in their eye . They will have spent months hearing they are gonna suck and the chance to flip that entire script , trade and everything week1 won’t matter to my Hawks, our great hof coach . Naw we’re losers . Rebuilding .
Good grief it’s like a funeral in here . Hawk tawk isn’t playing your doom and gloom game or your worship of Russell game either .

We shall see . I think the schedule makers did us a huge favor week 1.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="Aseahawkfan"

Only guy acting like a jackass is Hawktawk on these forums, Bobby, Russ, DK, Tyler, and the Seattle players are all tight and they are friends with a lot of great memories playing together. As far as I've seen in the NFL, once you play together it's like being in the military together: teammates for life. Probably one of the reasons Bobby was so comfortable going to Denver where he would be around Russ who he knows well.[/quote]
Ummm
Bobby went to the Rams . And I’m a Jackass for believing we will be better then advertised , that Russ may have ruffled a few feathers with his 2 year goodbye impugning his fellow players and coaches by saying he has to leave to win his 3 or 4 more championships . Ok. But I’m a Jackass for being an optimist who does not believe Russell’s play elevated us enough to be worth it , that we can win with any competent qb who runs the Waldron offense correctly . You people would rather see us lose to win an argument when you have to start calling me names for being too
Enthusiastic .

[TriCitySam]

All the news indicates Carson is all but done. If you haven't seen the neck pics go to: https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2022/ ... like-this/

Can't say it's real, but Seattle Sports radio seems to buy it. Pretty hard to believe he has a career ahead of him - he's talking like he does, but I would think a huge risk. So, we took Walker III.

[Hawktawk]

Carson was an astounding player when healthy . Very sad end. The team and the position have been snake bit .

[Hawktawk]

Looking at that pic reminds me of my left forearm which was severely compound fractured in a car wreck . They put plates and screws in it . When i went back to lifting weights and working those plates and screws were flexing different than my bones , very weird and painful and I had them removed . I cannot imagine a guy that plays like Carson coming back with screws in his neck . Would Seattle let him ?

[RiverDog]

All the news indicates Carson is all but done. If you haven't seen the neck pics go to: https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2022/ ... like-this/

Can't say it's real, but Seattle Sports radio seems to buy it. Pretty hard to believe he has a career ahead of him - he's talking like he does, but I would think a huge risk. So, we took Walker III.

Wow, those pics are amazing. If Carson comes back, he's nuts. It's too bad, like the article says, he's one of our best running backs ever. Beast and SA are the only two that were better, with a nod to Chris Warren and a healthy Curt Warner.

I still don't like taking a RB on Days 1 or 2, but I can certainly understand why we picked Walker. I hope he can take the pounding. Being a little guy might actually be an advantage to being less injury prone.

[Aseahawkfan]

So now I guess believing my team of 45 years will have extra motivation to smash Wilson makes me the Lone Ranger ? I’m a Jackass Asea ? For what ? Choosing my team and coach over a guy who didn’t want to be here ?

You people don’t trust Pete or John or the guys who battled while check out checked out and finally checked out of the area code . You think we’re lost , Pete can’t coach , rosters awful . Blah blah blah . That the guys in our locker won’t have blood in their eye . They will have spent months hearing they are gonna suck and the chance to flip that entire script , trade and everything week1 won’t matter to my Hawks, our great hof coach . Naw we’re losers . Rebuilding .
Good grief it’s like a funeral in here . Hawk tawk isn’t playing your doom and gloom game or your worship of Russell game either .

We shall see . I think the schedule makers did us a huge favor week 1.

There is nothing to choose. You can be a fan of Russ and a fan of Seattle and it has no effect whatsoever on anything.

You dug in so hard you can't see how ridiculous your assertions are. No one is buying it because we don't have some kind of imaginary vendetta against Russ and are interested in seeing the team develop, not expecting a bunch of rooks and backup QBs to come out of the gate playing like Pro Bowlers so we can smugly claim "winning" the Russ trade and take some shots at Russ for "reasons."

Maybe at some point your mental break from the Russ trade will heal and you'll start having sane opinions about the team again. At least you've stopped with the Russ personal shots. Thanks for that. Russ is a great guy. Leaving the team doesn't change that.

Enjoy the ride. We get to see some rooks develop. Stop trying to act like if they don't come out of the gate firing on all cylinders it means anything other than they're young and it will take time to get going. If Russ shows up from Denver and houses us, oh well. Doesn't a mean thing long-term for Russ or the team, it's just one game.

I'm going to enjoy seeing our rooks develop and what new wrinkles the team incorporates and hope they develop so I can feel they will compete for all the marbles in a few years. I'm not even going to say much to you when they're losing because you're so delusional at this point that you are no longer even thinking about the real position of the team and the players. It's like your brain got stuck when we traded Russ and the record player is skipping over that part of our offseason again and again and you just can't get past it. Hopefully after the Denver game is over, you'll snap out of whatever weird fugue you're in where Russ is some kind of totem for your fury.

[Aseahawkfan]

All the news indicates Carson is all but done. If you haven't seen the neck pics go to: https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2022/ ... like-this/

Can't say it's real, but Seattle Sports radio seems to buy it. Pretty hard to believe he has a career ahead of him - he's talking like he does, but I would think a huge risk. So, we took Walker III.

I hope Carson retires or Pete and John make the call for him. I don't want see him permanently paralyzed or worse. Carson has to stop. He can't risk the rest of his life on this.

[tarlhawk]

NFL Contract Guarantees, Explained
February 27th, 2022 at 2:23pm CST by Zachary Links

Unlike in the NBA or MLB, players’ contracts in the NFL aren’t guaranteed by default.


An injury-only guarantee is one of three types of guarantees that a team can write into a player’s contract that apply to his base salary in a given season. These guarantees are as follows:

Guaranteed for injury: If a player suffers a football injury and cannot pass a physical administered by the team doctor, he would still be entitled to his full salary if the team were to release him. For a player with several future seasons guaranteed for injury only, it would take a career-ending injury for the team to be on the hook for all those future injury-only guaranteed salaries.

Guaranteed for skill: The most subjective of the three, a player whose talents have significantly declined and is released for skill-related reasons (ie. another player beats him out for a roster spot) would still be entitled to his full salary if that salary is guaranteed for skill.

Guaranteed for cap purposes: This form of guarantee ensures that a player who is released due to his team’s need to create cap room will still be entitled to his full salary.

A team can use a combination of these forms of guarantees, making a player’s salary guaranteed for injury and skill, for example. In the event that a player’s salary is guaranteed for injury, skill, and cap purposes, we’d refer to that salary as fully guaranteed, since the player would be eligible for his full salary regardless of the reason for his release.

As is the case with prorated bonuses, all future guaranteed salary owed to a player by a team is considered “dead money” and would accelerate onto the club’s current cap in the event of his release (over one or two years, depending on whether the cut happens after June 1). For the most part though, beyond the first year or two of a deal, that prorated signing bonus money is the only guaranteed figure remaining on the contract, which is why teams often don’t have qualms about releasing a player in the later years of his deal.

[NorthHawk]

I think they are giving Carson the respect he deserves to make up his own mind.
The end of a career because of injury is a big step mentally for some players so he deserves all the time they can afford before making the decision for him.
I loved the way he played, but his style invited injury and I hope he can live a good life after football.

[c_hawkbob]

An olive branch for Hawktawk: