Did we have the worst offseason...

[RiverDog]

If we trade him we’re rebuilding . If we sign him we’re planning to compete . It’s the canary in a coal mine . Anything’s possible , we could be terrible with him or decent without him but the odds go way down . This Kupp contract is eye popping .

When you take into consideration the type of season Kupp had and compare his guaranteed money with what the other WR's have been getting, Kupp's contract isn't eye popping at all. Here's the highest paid WR's, their guaranteed amount, and their signing date:

Cooper Kupp $75.0M June 2022
Tyreek Hill $72.2M March 2022
Stefon Diggs $70.0M April 2022
Davante Adams $65.7M March 2022

And here's a similar comparison of the guaranteed money for the 4 highest paid quarterbacks, absent their signing date:

1 Deshaun Watson $230 million
2 Aaron Rodgers $150.6 million
3 Josh Allen $150 million
4 Patrick Mahomes $141.5 million

Now Watson's contract is a truly an eye popping one, especially when you compare his achievements with those of Kupp's.

[Hawktawk]

Watson saga is getting more sordid by the second . Now it is 66 different masseuses , many at a hotel suite owned by the Texans whose head of security furnished Watson with non disclosure agreements to have the women sign. It’s as big a scandal as anything I can think of in the league . It’s reported the Browns are considering attempting to void Watson contract . So I guess as to the OT of the thread no it is not us who had the worst off season in the league . It’s the Browns .

Run off your #1 draft pick a year after he beat the Steelers on the road in the playoffs . Verbally insult him. Try to trade him with no takers . Now you sign a serial sexual predator for a quarter billion and he’s likely suspended a year . I can’t believe people wanted him here .

[RiverDog]

Watson saga is getting more sordid by the second . Now it is 66 different masseuses , many at a hotel suite owned by the Texans whose head of security furnished Watson with non disclosure agreements to have the women sign. It’s as big a scandal as anything I can think of in the league . It’s reported the Browns are considering attempting to void Watson contract . So I guess as to the OT of the thread no it is not us who had the worst off season in the league . It’s the Browns .

Run off your #1 draft pick a year after he beat the Steelers on the road in the playoffs . Verbally insult him. Try to trade him with no takers . Now you sign a serial sexual predator for a quarter billion and he’s likely suspended a year . I can’t believe people wanted him here .

Obviously a lot of those 66 masseuses are gold diggers looking to get rich quick. But when there's that many, you can't explain all of them, or even a majority of them, away in that manner. Watson has a serious problem, and I'm surprised that the league has yet to step in and suspend him for at least 4 games.

It's why I said in my original comments in this thread that the Browns had the worst offseason. This deal with Watson was absurd.

[Hawktawk]

I don’t buy the gold digger angle in this instance . It’s not he said she said . He clearly solicited these women for his depraved acts .they came to him by request .

I’ve listened to accounts by women who aren’t even suing him describing absolutely disgusting sexually perverted behavior . If I was Goodell this man would not be an ambassador for the league any more .

[RiverDog]

I don’t buy the gold digger angle in this instance . It’s not he said she said . He clearly solicited these women for his depraved acts .they came to him by request .

I’ve listened to accounts by women who aren’t even suing him describing absolutely disgusting sexually perverted behavior . If I was Goodell this man would not be an ambassador for the league any more .

So you believe all 66 accusers? Not a single one of them are gold diggers?

These women aren't from a convent of nuns. A large number of massage parlors are fronts for prostitution, and the women that work in them are nothing more than whores, and by definition, of very low moral character that will lie, cheat, and steal from their clients in a heartbeat. It's only the vast number of complaints that lends credence and believability to their claims. Otherwise, one or two of these women's word alone wouldn't be considered credible evidence.

There's no doubt in my mind that Watson took advantage of a good number of these women. The mere fact that he regularly patronizes those types of businesses is enough to raise suspicion in my book. But each and every one? Come on, man!

[Hawktawk]

If 24 are suing and some who aren’t are still describing the same perverse acts yes I do believe pretty much each and every one . Imo were Watson not a celebrity he’d have been indicted . Do you think a woman who is subjected to the disgusting behavior of Watson has the right to sue or are they gold diggers? Deal with it ? Too bad so sad . There’s text messages from women , one I read after he pulled his sick routine “ why are you trying to throw it all away ?

Dude has some real issues . Makes rapel burger look like a saint .

[RiverDog]

If 24 are suing and some who aren’t are still describing the same perverse acts yes I do believe pretty much each and every one . Imo were Watson not a celebrity he’d have been indicted . Do you think a woman who is subjected to the disgusting behavior of Watson has the right to sue or are they gold diggers? Deal with it ? Too bad so sad . There’s text messages from women , one I read after he pulled his sick routine “ why are you trying to throw it all away ?

Dude has some real issues . Makes rapel burger look like a saint .

Whether or not you want to accept it, there are people out there that will lie, cheat, and steal to get money, and even if all of these women were as sweet and innocent as a girl scout, there is a certain percentage of all human beings that are dishonest, and when you take into consideration their occupation, an illegal one that exists only because LE has better things to do than to crack down on consensual sexual activity, a number of them are bound to be lying.

Otherwise, I agree with you, and yes, Watson makes Worthlessburger look like a Saint.

[Hawktawk]

Whether some of the women are gold diggers or were willing participants is irrelevant. Plenty were not and most I’m aware of were professional and licensed . When women who are not even suing are describing his perverse behavior I think he should not play again .

[RiverDog]

Whether some of the women are gold diggers or were willing participants is irrelevant. Plenty were not and most I’m aware of were professional and licensed . When women who are not even suing are describing his perverse behavior I think he should not play again .

Don't act so naive. Are you aware of how many massage parlors there are? There's at least a dozen here in Kennewick, most along a certain avenue, Clearwater, and near other Asian operated businesses. My brother ruined his marriage by going to one. Don't you remember where Robert Kraft was when he got caught on camera receiving a Lewinsky? That's why Watson was going to them, because he knew that he could get the girls to do pretty much anything he wanted. Most are young, in their 20's and 30's, some have been trafficked here from SE Asia, the Philippines, Korea, and China, many of them aren't citizens and can't even speak English. It's a racket.

I could post a link to a website that has paid advertisers with addresses of their places of business that have explicit photographs and very graphic definition of their services, but I don't think it's appropriate. Some give addresses to a place of businesses. If you doubt me, say so and I'll send you a PM with a link to a couple of websites that run their ads. Sure, there's some spas and massage businesses that are legitimate, but there's one heck of a lot of them that are nothing more than a front for prostitution.

My guess is that Watson has been going to these places for many years, perhaps back to his college days, and has had hundreds of visits throughout the country. He probably was successful in getting some of the women to participate in his fantasies and perversions, then sensing how vulnerable many of these girls are, thought that he could get away with forcing others that wanted to limit their services to more conventional sexual acts to behave in a certain manner.

[Aseahawkfan]

Obviously a lot of those 66 masseuses are gold diggers looking to get rich quick. But when there's that many, you can't explain all of them, or even a majority of them, away in that manner. Watson has a serious problem, and I'm surprised that the league has yet to step in and suspend him for at least 4 games.

It's why I said in my original comments in this thread that the Browns had the worst offseason. This deal with Watson was absurd.

Watson is going to have more for "massages" than anyone in history.

[Aseahawkfan]

Don't act so naive. Are you aware of how many massage parlors there are? There's at least a dozen here in Kennewick, most along a certain avenue, Clearwater, and near other Asian operated businesses. My brother ruined his marriage by going to one. Don't you remember where Robert Kraft was when he got caught on camera receiving a Lewinsky? That's why Watson was going to them, because he knew that he could get the girls to do pretty much anything he wanted. Most are young, in their 20's and 30's, some have been trafficked here from SE Asia, the Philippines, Korea, and China, many of them aren't citizens and can't even speak English. It's a racket.

I could post a link to a website that has paid advertisers with addresses of their places of business that have explicit photographs and very graphic definition of their services, but I don't think it's appropriate. Some give addresses to a place of businesses. If you doubt me, say so and I'll send you a PM with a link to a couple of websites that run their ads. Sure, there's some spas and massage businesses that are legitimate, but there's one heck of a lot of them that are nothing more than a front for prostitution.

My guess is that Watson has been going to these places for many years, perhaps back to his college days, and has had hundreds of visits throughout the country. He probably was successful in getting some of the women to participate in his fantasies and perversions, then sensing how vulnerable many of these girls are, thought that he could get away with forcing others that wanted to limit their services to more conventional sexual acts to behave in a certain manner.

You have them in Kennewick too? I know we have a ton around Seattle and the surrounding community. My buddy used to go to them. He told me to try it, but I want nothing to do with that kind of stuff. Not my cup of tea.

[RiverDog]

Don't act so naive. Are you aware of how many massage parlors there are? There's at least a dozen here in Kennewick, most along a certain avenue, Clearwater, and near other Asian operated businesses. My brother ruined his marriage by going to one. Don't you remember where Robert Kraft was when he got caught on camera receiving a Lewinsky? That's why Watson was going to them, because he knew that he could get the girls to do pretty much anything he wanted. Most are young, in their 20's and 30's, some have been trafficked here from SE Asia, the Philippines, Korea, and China, many of them aren't citizens and can't even speak English. It's a racket.

I could post a link to a website that has paid advertisers with addresses of their places of business that have explicit photographs and very graphic definition of their services, but I don't think it's appropriate. Some give addresses to a place of businesses. If you doubt me, say so and I'll send you a PM with a link to a couple of websites that run their ads. Sure, there's some spas and massage businesses that are legitimate, but there's one heck of a lot of them that are nothing more than a front for prostitution.

My guess is that Watson has been going to these places for many years, perhaps back to his college days, and has had hundreds of visits throughout the country. He probably was successful in getting some of the women to participate in his fantasies and perversions, then sensing how vulnerable many of these girls are, thought that he could get away with forcing others that wanted to limit their services to more conventional sexual acts to behave in a certain manner.

You have them in Kennewick too? I know we have a ton around Seattle and the surrounding community. My buddy used to go to them. He told me to try it, but I want nothing to do with that kind of stuff. Not my cup of tea.

At least a dozen of them. They're pretty easy to find by just doing a google. Yakima and Spokane have them, too. Not sure of the other communities in eastern Washington, ie Walla Walla, Wenatchee, Moses Lake. Small town cops have more time on their hands.

They're not my bag, either. My brother fell in love with a hooker in a massage parlor in Bellingham, then told his wife about it. Wasn't too much longer that they split up after 30+ years of marriage. I have some very close friends, native Vietnamese, Laotian, Thai, Pilipino, and Chinese. Most of my inside info comes from them, but it's pretty common knowledge that you can get 'taken care of' for a reasonable price. The cops don't bother them.

IMO the reason why the grand jury decided not to indict Watson on criminal charges is that they considered the source of the complaints, ie the types of businesses the complaints were coming from, and understood that the credibility of the witnesses making the accusations towards Watson was not credible, that a sharp defense attorney would have a field day attacking their character. They're not going to waste taxpayer money on a case they'd be sure to lose.

[Hawktawk]

Yeah because Watson is a superstar and has many millions . It’s called cash register justice . I’m sort of dissapointed by the defense of Watson and tearing down of his accusers . There is no evidence any of them are engaged in prostitution . I don’t need a link to happy ending rub and tug placed either . We handle that just fine as a couple . Lots of good old boys from the good old days when men were men and women were glad about it right here in this forum .

[Old but Slow]

Oh, and I thought it was when men were men and sheep were nervous.

[RiverDog]

Yeah because Watson is a superstar and has many millions . It’s called cash register justice . I’m sort of dissapointed by the defense of Watson and tearing down of his accusers . There is no evidence any of them are engaged in prostitution . I don’t need a link to happy ending rub and tug placed either . We handle that just fine as a couple . Lots of good old boys from the good old days when men were men and women were glad about it right here in this forum .

Well, at least you're consistent. I guess anyone that believes every word of a politically motivated 37 year old "sexual misconduct" allegation has no problem believing all the accusations of 66 prostitutes.

The reason why there is no evidence that any of those women have engaged in prostitution is because Watson's case never came to trial. If it had, any defense attorney worth their salt would introduce tons of evidence of illicit sexual activities having occurred at the establishments that Watson patronized, including testimony from former 'employees' and other patrons. Many of the accusers would have opted to not to testify and would have withdrawn their claims rather than undergo an intense cross examination that would undermine their testimony. Others would have taken the 5th, refusing to give testimony that would incriminate them in a crime, ie prostitution. Taking the 5th at a trial speaks volumes as it's essentially admitting that a crime had occurred. The trial would have been ugly, and a big embarrassment to LE and other government officials that knew about the activity yet turned a blind eye to it. I have no doubt that the city fathers of Houston and other municipalities were begging the grand jury not to indict Watson, knowing what kind of a trial that would have ensued. It would have been a circus, and likely attracted national attention.

And please, stop with the 'good ole boys' bullchit. I've consistently said that I believe that Watson is guilty of at least some of the allegations, that the mere volume of them make them impossible to rationalize, agreed with you that Watson makes Worthlessburger look like a Saint, and that he should receive a healthy suspension. You're mischaracterizing my opinion on the subject.

[RiverDog]

Oh, and I thought it was when men were men and sheep were nervous.

Naw, that's a description of Montana, where a pimp is defined as a guy with a sheep under each arm.

[Hawktawk]

Oh, and I thought it was when men were men and sheep were nervous.

Lmao

[tarlhawk]

Our "worst off season" is endorsed by losing our two fan favorite highly skilled players...RW on offense and BW on defense. Perhaps not getting "rewarded" with Deshaun Watson allows us to dodge the "bullet" of adding PR chaos to our "worst off season".

[NorthHawk]

We did lose a lot of talent, but Wagner is on the downside of his career so maybe not as much as it would look at first glance.
The big loss was Wilson. We aren't going to get a replacement until next year at the earliest and even then he will take a couple of years to develop.
And we won't really know about the draft for a few years as well.
So worst off season? I think it's a subjective view and rating at this point.

[c_hawkbob]

Retaining out biggest remaining draw will help, and it looks like we may be clearing cap space pursuant to such news:

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Seahawks restructured former #Broncos DT Shelby Harris’ contract to create $3,260,588 in cap room, source said.

[NorthHawk]

[quote="c_hawkbob"]Retaining out biggest remaining draw will help, and it looks like we may be clearing cap space pursuant to such news:

[quote]
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Seahawks restructured former #Broncos DT Shelby Harris’ contract to create $3,260,588 in cap room, source said



Doesn't that give us $17M in Cap space? If they extend DK, they might get more Cap relief which might suggest Baker Mayfield.
Just sayin'...

[Hawktawk]

Our "worst off season" is endorsed by losing our two fan favorite highly skilled players...RW on offense and BW on defense. Perhaps not getting "rewarded" with Deshaun Watson allows us to dodge the "bullet" of adding PR chaos to our "worst off season".

Do you think we had the worst off-season in the league Tari?

[Hawktawk]

[*]

Retaining out biggest remaining draw will help, and it looks like we may be clearing cap space pursuant to such news:


Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Seahawks restructured former #Broncos DT Shelby Harris’ contract to create $3,260,588 in cap room, source said



Doesn't that give us $17M in Cap space? If they extend DK, they might get more Cap relief which might suggest Baker Mayfield.
Just sayin'...

Looked to me like Bob meant sign DK. Seattle and others have made plain the won’t trade for mayfield or assume a portion of his salary . If Cleveland cuts him people will show interest . If I’m Cleveland with the Watson saga I’m keeping him unless they think Jacoby Brisset is better . His worth will skyrocket the first starter that gets hurt . I think if he’s cut there might be a few teams interested.

[NorthHawk]

You should know by now that they will say anything regardless of the truth.
Mayfield is still in play and it wouldn’t surprise me if they paid a price in picks
and assuming a large part of his salary. I have little faith they won’t do
something dumb.

The Rams just signed Kupp and Donald to big contracts and their Cap went down so it could happen
to DK and reduce our current Cap hit.

[mykc14]

You should know by now that they will say anything regardless of the truth.
Mayfield is still in play and it wouldn’t surprise me if they paid a price in picks
and assuming a large part of his salary. I have little faith they won’t do
something dumb.

The Rams just signed Kupp and Donald to big contracts and their Cap went down so it could happen
to DK and reduce our current Cap hit.

If they resign DK his cap hit will go up, if it doesn't the Hawks are stupid. Right now he has a cap hit of 4.3 million. The reason Donald and Kupp had cap hits that went down were 1) they are both on their 3rd or 4th contracts. 2) the Rams needed cap space. The Hawks don't have any room to bring DK's cap hit down if they do resign him. Lets say he gets a 4 year $100 mill contract extension (He'll get more than that but it makes the math easier). That really amounts to a 5 year $104.3 mil contract because you have to include this year in the 5 year total, they don't just rip it up the Hawks need it to spread out the cap hits, so really financially it's 5 years $104.3 million at $20.86 million per year. If you LOWERED his hit this year to, lets say 1 million then you'd have 103.3 million you'd have to pay out for the final 4 years of the contract or 25.8 Million/year. If you INCREASE his cap number to like 15 mill this year then you only have to pay out $89 over the final for years or 22.3 mil/year. Personally I would like them to increase his cap hit to like 20 million this year and use up most of that cap space so that you can LOWER his hit the rest of the contract. You are going to have over $40 million less in dead cap next year than you do this year so Rolling over cap space doesn't make a ton of sense, you basically are rolling over $40 million already. IF you decide to pay him give him as big of a cap hit as possible this year (although they may be trying to resign Fant as well which could eat up some of that money that I am planning on spending on DK this year).