2022 Hopeful/Doubtful Outlook (QB)

[tarlhawk]

2022 Hopeful/Doubtful Outlook by Position Group Breakdown


QB Bright Hope/Bridge/Nightmare


Geno Smith HT/WT 6'3 / 221 Age 32 Career 10 yrs Drafted 2013 NY Jets 2nd rd (pick 39) Contract/Impact 3.5 million (500K if cut) 2022 only


Fan Input : As a 2nd rd rookie in 2013 Geno stumbled out of the gate for the NY Jets after having a stellar College career. Missing out on becoming a significant starter he has been a highly capable back up. Hardly fitting as a "fresh start" candidate he has good "fit" bridge QB potential in a wide spread offense (his true value is a fall back option (should Drew Lock miss out on taking the job) since his knowledge as a well prepared backup gives him value in our system...and has good locker room respect and rapport. As a starter he fits the Bridge/Nightmare boxes.


Drew Lock HT/WT 6'4 /228 Age 26 Career 4 yrs Drafted 2019 Broncos 2nd rd (pick 42) Contract/Impact 1.5 million (0 if cut) 2022 only


Fan Input: Drew Lock was a promising rookie with a great college background who needed to go to a team who could coach him up (groom). His age and arm talent gives him a possible "fresh start" ability if he can drastically cut down on decision making mistakes (sometimes makes it easy by not "looking off" his primary target). Steve Young and Dan Fouts provided career turn arounds but they are the rare exceptions. Can Carroll/Waldron instill the necessary confidence to "unlock" (pun intended) Drew's career? As a potential starter he fits the mold of all three outcomes (Bright Hope/Bridge/Nightmare.


Wrap up: Replacing the leadership/fan assurance of our departed elite QB is a steep hill for any QB. The hopeful prognosis is that Waldron's "fit" and Pete's confidence building will deflate some of the risk of a Nightmare situation and provide some upside beyond the likely one year bridge QB that either of our starting QB represent.

[NorthHawk]

Pete's philosophy about protecting the ball hasn't changed.

Now with QBs that are more prone to turnovers, we can expect an even more conservative Offense regardless of the OC.
We will probably see more emphasis on the run game because of the QBs and young OL on the edges. This will help the QBs
as they will be less exposed to pass rush and be more successful than in a more open Offense that Waldron is supposed to provide.
It will also help the OT's as run blocking is easier to develop than pass blocking. We know that OT was a weak spot coming into
this season and although we drafted two Tackles of the future, this year will be a learning experience for them both. I think it's
also why the went for a RB early. They should have done it years ago, but Walker looks like he could be a good RB, but he will
need some help from the OL to show what he can do.

I fully expect to see the FO sign a veteran OT at some point this year to help steady the play and teach the young OTs how
to be a pro at the NFL level. This will help the OL and in turn help the QB play.

[Hawktawk]

If Geno is 2021 we win 10 minimum with him . If Lock is better then 2021 Geno we will challenge for the conference championship . And we’re starting the rookies at tackle . Top 10 offense and defense .

[RiverDog]

2022 Hopeful/Doubtful Outlook by Position Group Breakdown


QB Bright Hope/Bridge/Nightmare


Geno Smith HT/WT 6'3 / 221 Age 32 Career 10 yrs Drafted 2013 NY Jets 2nd rd (pick 39) Contract/Impact 3.5 million (500K if cut) 2022 only


Fan Input : As a 2nd rd rookie in 2013 Geno stumbled out of the gate for the NY Jets after having a stellar College career. Missing out on becoming a significant starter he has been a highly capable back up. Hardly fitting as a "fresh start" candidate he has good "fit" bridge QB potential in a wide spread offense (his true value is a fall back option (should Drew Lock miss out on taking the job) since his knowledge as a well prepared backup gives him value in our system...and has good locker room respect and rapport. As a starter he fits the Bridge/Nightmare boxes.


Drew Lock HT/WT 6'4 /228 Age 26 Career 4 yrs Drafted 2019 Broncos 2nd rd (pick 42) Contract/Impact 1.5 million (0 if cut) 2022 only


Fan Input: Drew Lock was a promising rookie with a great college background who needed to go to a team who could coach him up (groom). His age and arm talent gives him a possible "fresh start" ability if he can drastically cut down on decision making mistakes (sometimes makes it easy by not "looking off" his primary target). Steve Young and Dan Fouts provided career turn arounds but they are the rare exceptions. Can Carroll/Waldron instill the necessary confidence to "unlock" (pun intended) Drew's career? As a potential starter he fits the mold of all three outcomes (Bright Hope/Bridge/Nightmare.


Wrap up: Replacing the leadership/fan assurance of our departed elite QB is a steep hill for any QB. The hopeful prognosis is that Waldron's "fit" and Pete's confidence building will deflate some of the risk of a Nightmare situation and provide some upside beyond the likely one year bridge QB that either of our starting QB represent.

That's a fair analysis. At 32 years old, Geno is not our "Bright Hope", or in other words, our Quarterback of the Future. Lock probably isn't, either, because as you noted, career turnarounds don't happen very often.

I'm not sure how effective Pete's "confidence building" to avoid a nightmare scenario will be. Has he lost some credibility over the past few years, with that Lombardi fading and the aftermath of Russell's departure? Maybe, maybe not. IMO it depends on our W/L record. Trying to tell a quarterback that he's got a great future when the team is 3-14 with him as a starter would be like putting lipstick on a pig.

[Aseahawkfan]

Placeholder 1 and 2 should do what they normally do. Maybe Lock Placeholder 2 will show something real. But it won't much matter if the defense doesn't show they are a whole lot better than they've shown over the past 3 or 4 years. I'm far more interested in showing progress on defense and the run game than QB. QB won't much matter as we already had an elite performer that couldn't make much progress without a defense and run game that is more consistently good.

[Hawktawk]

Placeholder 1 and 2 should do what they normally do. Maybe Lock Placeholder 2 will show something real. But it won't much matter if the defense doesn't show they are a whole lot better than they've shown over the past 3 or 4 years. I'm far more interested in showing progress on defense and the run game than QB. QB won't much matter as we already had an elite performer that couldn't make much progress without a defense and run game that is more consistently good.

Without a dynamic QB Seattle will need the skill people and defense to be decent to compete . DK being out of practice is concerning as he is a guy that helps any QB greatly. Although rehabbing he is in California and its not clear whether he had permission or not. Obviously Geno Smith isn't the long term future although Ill point out hes a year younger than Russ who will command 45 to 50 million a year into his late 30s. Genos work here didn't even compare to his atrocious performance early in his career. Hes a great mystery as to where 68.5 % , 5-1 TD to pick ratio, 102 QBR came from.

If it was this scheme and staff its exciting for lock. People forget he went 4-1 last 5 as a rook in an offense very similar to Waldron/Mcveighs. Lots of 1 read and play action with that arm .May be wrong of the top of my head but I think he had 7 TDs and 2 picks? Like Tyler Polumbus said "hes never had a coach like Pete Carroll". He was on the filed for beast quake. He should know what Pete is capable of.

[RiverDog]

Without a dynamic QB Seattle will need the skill people and defense to be decent to compete . DK being out of practice is concerning as he is a guy that helps any QB greatly. Although rehabbing he is in California and its not clear whether he had permission or not.

It might not be clear to those signing DK's praises, but unless you don't want to believe "multiple reports", Metcalf's absence is unexcused and likely a sign that he's contemplating a holdout:

According to multiple reports, Metcalf’s absence is unexcused. He had been in attendance for voluntary work earlier in the offseason program, however, and any decision to miss time at this point is likely linked to his desire for a contract extension heading into his fourth NFL season.

Both Metcalf and the Seahawks have shown optimism about getting such a deal done, but Metcalf’s absence may be a signal that the outlook has gotten less rosy on his end.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/re ... uxbndlbing

[Hawktawk]

It’s not unusual imo . Lots of players work it out including here . I heard an interview with Wags who is a personal friend of DK. He said “ he’s got a little bit of Sherman in him “ we need that fire .

[RiverDog]

It’s not unusual imo . Lots of players work it out including here . I heard an interview with Wags who is a personal friend of DK. He said “ he’s got a little bit of Sherman in him “ we need that fire .

So when Metcalf, a player you seem to like, makes a contract demand its "we need that fire" but if Russell, a player you've grown to dislike, makes a similar demand, its selfishness and greed? How does that work?

[Hawktawk]

It’s not unusual imo . Lots of players work it out including here . I heard an interview with Wags who is a personal friend of DK. He said “ he’s got a little bit of Sherman in him “ we need that fire .

So when Metcalf, a player you seem to like, makes a contract demand its "we need that fire" but if Russell, a player you've grown to dislike, makes a similar demand, its selfishness and greed? How does that work?

Russel didn’t demand more money . He said he wanted out starting a year ago . Decided he couldn’t have all pro stars here . Couldnt win here . Anyone who believes otherwise isn’t dealing in reality . It was only a couple of years into a deal that was the richest in history when signed . I supported Russell’s hardball negotiations both times . He took Seattle to the wire , said he wouldn’t hold out but would not sign after a certain date . I thought he was good enough to be worth it . But in the end he checked out for all that money . He wasn’t a team leader at all .

I won’t rehash it all . I did not support ET holding out , or Kam for that matter . They had already been paid . Beast as well .

Dk is on a rookie contract making 3 million . I’ve believed 100 % in him since he came from 11 yards down and ran down Baker . It’s one of the most amazing hustle plays I’ve seen in my life and demonstrated his raw football speed because in pads he’s as fast as in track shorts . Don’t want to get ragged on again but regardless of how you felt about him attempting to score vs pitts it demonstrated DK is willing to give 110% sell out his body to win . Most wr can’t wait to get out of bounds regardless of time on the clock . DK dishes out the punishment .

He’s gonna get paid somewhere . I hope it’s here just like I hoped Russ would get paid here till he made himself not worth franchise money anymore . No inconsistency at all in that position .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Russ isn’t hungry anymore. He has been well-fed and is looking for that to continue; I don’t see the fire in him anymore, but maybe a change of scenery will reignite it for him.

In another thread, I mentioned how DK doesn’t have a lot of leverage (see Field Gulls pre snap reads). He loses an accrued season if he holds out of training camp which means he’ll be a restricted free agent when his contract is up. Wouldn’t be in his best interest to do that if he’s looking to get paid (which he is). I hope and believe he’ll get an extension once training camp rolls around.

[RiverDog]

Russ isn’t hungry anymore. He has been well-fed and is looking for that to continue; I don’t see the fire in him anymore, but maybe a change of scenery will reignite it for him.

In another thread, I mentioned how DK doesn’t have a lot of leverage (see Field Gulls pre snap reads). He loses an accrued season if he holds out of training camp which means he’ll be a restricted free agent when his contract is up. Wouldn’t be in his best interest to do that if he’s looking to get paid (which he is). I hope and believe he’ll get an extension once training camp rolls around.

Good point about Metcalf not having much leverage, but it makes you wonder what he's up to. He wouldn't even have to have practiced, just work on his rehab. Is he sending some sort of signal? Whatever it is, it's not good.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

That’s Seaside Joe’s point, so I’ll defer credit to him.

Could just be a proud peacock showing his feathers or pushing against the FO just to let him know he’s not a push over. At this point, regardless of my desired outcome, I won’t be surprised by what happens.

[NorthHawk]

I think it’s 50/50 he’s traded or asks for one.

[Old but Slow]

He is using good business sense. He knows that if he is not extended now, he will have to play this season with a new QB who will likely not give him the numbers that he got with Russell. If his numbers go down, his negotiating position goes down also.

It will probably cost $25m per to sign him, but that could look good in a couple of years. I am afraid of the kind of dithering that lost Frank Clark to KC. Big mistake.

[Hawktawk]

He is using good business sense. He knows that if he is not extended now, he will have to play this season with a new QB who will likely not give him the numbers that he got with Russell. If his numbers go down, his negotiating position goes down also.

It will probably cost $25m per to sign him, but that could look good in a couple of years. I am afraid of the kind of dithering that lost Frank Clark to KC. Big mistake.

I’ve seen analysis that suggests Seattle should have traded Bobby for a kings ransom and kept Clark . Although I think DK came because of Clark ?

As for DK worrying about his numbers with a lesser QB Geno went 17-21 for 251 yards, 4 TDs and a qbr of 151 by Geno targeting DK

After the JAx game DK tweeted “ I’ve never had a ball like that “ regarding Genos NFL open lasers to DKs hands . DK has also defended Lock , “ stop with the Drew Lock slander”. One article discussing Seattle’s qb situation speculated on whether Geno could do what he did with DK for an entire season because it would be ridiculous . It’s also worth noting DK caught his next TD in Russell’s 6th start back .
I don’t think DK cares who is throwing it.

Dude wants paid . That’s all .

[RiverDog]

He is using good business sense. He knows that if he is not extended now, he will have to play this season with a new QB who will likely not give him the numbers that he got with Russell. If his numbers go down, his negotiating position goes down also.

It will probably cost $25m per to sign him, but that could look good in a couple of years. I am afraid of the kind of dithering that lost Frank Clark to KC. Big mistake.

Good point about the possibility of Metcalf's lack of success without a franchise QB pitching him the ball, especially when you consider the youth movement along the OL might have some growing pains.

IMO the situation isn't analogous to Frank Clark. Besides the positional value between an edge rusher and a WR, we were not rebuilding then like we are now.

[NorthHawk]

Good point about the possibility of Metcalf's lack of success without a franchise QB pitching him the ball, especially when you consider the youth movement along the OL might have some growing pains.

IMO the situation isn't analogous to Frank Clark. Besides the positional value between an edge rusher and a WR, we were not rebuilding then like we are now.

It depends on how the FO sees the value of one of the highest paid WRs on a team that is emphasizing the run and
doesn’t have the ability to use him because of youth and lesser QB play.

From DKs PoV, his Agent must have considered what ObS said and they don’t want to waste this opportunity.
I don’t blame him one bit because his career could end on any play. He has to get as much as he can as soon
as he can, and I don’t blame him.

I think it is analogous to the Clark situation in that both are wanting top dollar when the salaries for that
position are exploding. But I also think it’s true that Clark was more valuable to the team at that time than
DK is today given the rebuild.

I’m not going to underestimate our FOs ability to screw it up again with another contract or
personnel move.

[Hawktawk]

If they trade DK I’ll accept it is a rebuild . I’ve never thought it’s how they saw it or that it’s their plan to suck but the odds increase greatly if you lose the biggest fastest strongest dude in the game .

And the qb play won’t be lesser than the last season and a half . Fact is Geno lit up Dk. 13 quarters but ridiculous stats . Obviously he can get him the ball . I drool at the mouth thinking about Lock throwing lasers to him if that’s how it goes

I don’t buy for one minute DKs holdout has a damn thing to do with the quarterback situation . It’s all about the money .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Technically not holding out, but I agree he’s going a bit alpha on them.

[Aseahawkfan]

He is using good business sense. He knows that if he is not extended now, he will have to play this season with a new QB who will likely not give him the numbers that he got with Russell. If his numbers go down, his negotiating position goes down also.

It will probably cost $25m per to sign him, but that could look good in a couple of years. I am afraid of the kind of dithering that lost Frank Clark to KC. Big mistake.

This is what I see too. Metcalf knows his numbers are going to drop and his market price with it quite possibly.

[Aseahawkfan]

Russ isn’t hungry anymore. He has been well-fed and is looking for that to continue; I don’t see the fire in him anymore, but maybe a change of scenery will reignite it for him.

In another thread, I mentioned how DK doesn’t have a lot of leverage (see Field Gulls pre snap reads). He loses an accrued season if he holds out of training camp which means he’ll be a restricted free agent when his contract is up. Wouldn’t be in his best interest to do that if he’s looking to get paid (which he is). I hope and believe he’ll get an extension once training camp rolls around.

The only thing I see is a team with degrading talent and the QB with no fire was the only thing keeping us in the playoffs. He's worth at least 4 to 6 wins a year.

[Hawktawk]

The only thing I see is a team with degrading talent and the QB with no fire was the only thing keeping us in the playoffs. He's worth at least 4 to 6 wins a year.

He is 6-9 in his last 15 games including 11-29 with a pick 6 in his last playoff game . In those 9 losses he has lost to 4 backups including Colt McCoy twice with one being the awful giants .

Asea I know it’s 13 quarters . He could turn back into Geno Weeno the moment they put the “starter “ label on him . I get it . Happens to lots of guys like Fitzmagic fitztragic.
Lock could win win out which would be awesome . The thing I try to point out and nobody got is that for 13 quarters including stretches of very high play he proved it’s possible to move the ball without Russell Wilson . There is life and hope . Why is that a bad thing ? . We were rebuilding last year record wise .

[RiverDog]

I’m not going to underestimate our FOs ability to screw it up again with another contract or personnel move.

I can't disagree with that, although they did surprise me with the draft, so there is hope.

[tarlhawk]

Few fans myself included get engaged with the business end of the NFL. As fans we just want to see our favorite players out there bringing the excitement we've gotten used to. There is an imposed salary cap and therefor not an open checkbook. John Schneider isn't linked at the hip to Pete Carroll so the fact that he is still the GM is also the result of his "bad cop" role...he can't allow himself to become too attached personally with players he likes to watch grow into their best because he holds the heavy responsibility of keeping the best team as a whole financially. DK is a young budding NFL superstar at a highlighted position which represents our teams franchise label.

I saw a recent teleconference of Drew Lock and he quoted something a guy had told him in College..."comparison is the destroyer of joy". DK like any elite player sees his contract as a measure of how his worth is viewed by the team he plays for...and right now other teams are throwing insane money at the WR position so contract comparison goes beyond temptation. I know the contract negotiations are a necessary evil and all GM's like to keep the "chess match" behind closed doors to the public and media.

I feel DK is choosing his battles to gain leverage but I know our most bitter negotiations have been when a player resorts to "holding out". John Schneider resists too much creative structuring in borrowing "future cap money" and so fan frustration can be the result. Both sides want the deal done and even though our "cap pressure" has gotten some relief from losing Russ and Bobby...there are other team "stars" and future "stars" once our QB situation is restored...that will cause some GM "push back" against removing sane financial considerations. My hope is a June/July contract resolve.

[RiverDog]

Few fans myself included get engaged with the business end of the NFL. As fans we just want to see our favorite players out there bringing the excitement we've gotten used to. There is an imposed salary cap and therefor not an open checkbook. John Schneider isn't linked at the hip to Pete Carroll so the fact that he is still the GM is also the result of his "bad cop" role...he can't allow himself to become too attached personally with players he likes to watch grow into their best because he holds the heavy responsibility of keeping the best team as a whole financially. DK is a young budding NFL superstar at a highlighted position which represents our teams franchise label.

I saw a recent teleconference of Drew Lock and he quoted something a guy had told him in College..."comparison is the destroyer of joy". DK like any elite player sees his contract as a measure of how his worth is viewed by the team he plays for...and right now other teams are throwing insane money at the WR position so contract comparison goes beyond temptation. I know the contract negotiations are a necessary evil and all GM's like to keep the "chess match" behind closed doors to the public and media.

I feel DK is choosing his battles to gain leverage but I know our most bitter negotiations have been when a player resorts to "holding out". John Schneider resists too much creative structuring in borrowing "future cap money" and so fan frustration can be the result. Both sides want the deal done and even though our "cap pressure" has gotten some relief from losing Russ and Bobby...there are other team "stars" and future "stars" once our QB situation is restored...that will cause some GM "push back" against removing sane financial considerations. My hope is a June/July contract resolve.

If we're going to extend Metcalf, we'd better do it now. The longer we wait, the more expensive it's going to be and the more of a distraction it will become.

Deebo Samuel is disgruntled and is up for an extension. His deal could easily top Kupp's and re-set the market.

[NorthHawk]

I think it's best for both sides if he was to be traded.
We're in a rebuild, and his skills will be wasted not only because of the rebuild, but by Pete's Offense.
As well, WRs are a position that colleges are pumping out better and better players each year because of the types of Offenses that are run.
We can also use that extra draft capital during the rebuild.
I like DK from what I know about him as a person and player but it's time to move on for both sides.

[Hawktawk]

Both DK and Lockett were over 1 k receiving yards in Pete’s offense a couple years ago . What changed ?

[Hawktawk]

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Few fans myself included get engaged with the business end of the NFL. As fans we just want to see our favorite players out there bringing the excitement we've gotten used to. There is an imposed salary cap and therefor not an open checkbook. John Schneider isn't linked at the hip to Pete Carroll so the fact that he is still the GM is also the result of his "bad cop" role...he can't allow himself to become too attached personally with players he likes to watch grow into their best because he holds the heavy responsibility of keeping the best team as a whole financially. DK is a young budding NFL superstar at a highlighted position which represents our teams franchise label.

I saw a recent teleconference of Drew Lock and he quoted something a guy had told him in College..."comparison is the destroyer of joy". DK like any elite player sees his contract as a measure of how his worth is viewed by the team he plays for...and right now other teams are throwing insane money at the WR position so contract comparison goes beyond temptation. I know the contract negotiations are a necessary evil and all GM's like to keep the "chess match" behind closed doors to the public and media.

I feel DK is choosing his battles to gain leverage but I know our most bitter negotiations have been when a player resorts to "holding out". John Schneider resists too much creative structuring in borrowing "future cap money" and so fan frustration can be the result. Both sides want the deal done and even though our "cap pressure" has gotten some relief from losing Russ and Bobby...there are other team "stars" and future "stars" once our QB situation is restored...that will cause some GM "push back" against removing sane financial considerations. My hope is a June/July contract resolve.

If we're going to extend Metcalf, we'd better do it now. The longer we wait, the more expensive it's going to be and the more of a distraction it will become.

Deebo Samuel is disgruntled and is up for an extension. His deal could easily top Kupp's and re-set the market.

what’s weird is after demanding a trade Deebo is in camp . No question we do it now or never . The market is rising higher than gas prices right now . And there is no DK in the league . Deebo is an amazing all purpose player but nobody takes off the top like that packing that big a frame . Sign him . He’s the face of the franchise better or worse .

[NorthHawk]

What’s the point of having a player that can take the top off a Defense if the ball can’t be delivered?

[Hawktawk]

DK. Quote “I’ve never had a ball like that “ after the Jacksonville game . After 3 years catching balls from Russ he really tweeted that . Of course it’s the last we saw of Geno or the offense for quite a while .


Facts are hard for some . Dk has praised both he and Lock . I know some want to blame the Wilson trade for every damn thing but DK is just fine with either guy . 1 read play action guys with huge arms . Dk will have 1200 yards and 10 TDs at least if he’s here.

It’s all about the money .

[Hawktawk]

On a lighter note I just read comments from Geno regarding Lock . I don’t have a link but he was extremely complimentary , said Drew is funny , has a lot of swag , has the arm , everybody loves him , said he raps or something like that . Not a quote just thought it was cool that they apparently are friends as well as competitors .

[Aseahawkfan]

He is 6-9 in his last 15 games including 11-29 with a pick 6 in his last playoff game . In those 9 losses he has lost to 4 backups including Colt McCoy twice with one being the awful giants .

Asea I know it’s 13 quarters . He could turn back into Geno Weeno the moment they put the “starter “ label on him . I get it . Happens to lots of guys like Fitzmagic fitztragic.
Lock could win win out which would be awesome . The thing I try to point out and nobody got is that for 13 quarters including stretches of very high play he proved it’s possible to move the ball without Russell Wilson . There is life and hope . Why is that a bad thing ? . We were rebuilding last year record wise .

Look at you, doing it again. Bringing up Russ was 6-9.

Yet avoiding acknowledging Geno Smith was 1-2 and that's with you saying his numbers were some of the best of his career. So you're basically saying Geno Smith played as well as he has ever played in his entire career and still went 1-2.

And Russ was 4-2 the last 6 games when Penny went on his 5 game run. And Russ's stats blew Geno's out of the water those six games including a 4 TD game against Detroit. Yet to you none of this helped Penny have an amazing five game run as Penny was able to run wild because the opponents had to respect Russ's passing game. They didn't have to respect Geno's arm because even when's putting up numbers that are the best of his career, he's throwing for 1 TD and losing 2 games for every 1 he wins.

[Hawktawk]

I get it . Genos 20-24 80% completion % most completions to start a game in the league all season at 15 besting Arod. 2 TDs to DK prompting the “I’ve never had a ball like that “ from a guy who caught balls from Russ for 3 years .

Another slam dunk over the top rush TD getting absolutely smashed in the teeth by the Mike . It’s a play the 5’10” Wilson could never attempt . 138 qbr. 31-7 victory .

But bad team so those stats by a guy getting first team reps for the third week in 5 years don’t matter .

But Russell Wilson’s 4 TDs off play action as well as his scrambles with a back going off for 175 yards against a far worse team playing a backup is legit

. Geno playing 9 of his 13 quarters against some of the better defenses in the league with no real contributions in the run game 102 rating 5 TD passes , 700 yards no picks in 3 starts . And again nobody has the stones to actually debate it but JAx held one of my favorite QBs to 6 points a week later and ended Indy’s season in week 18 quite convincingly . Obviously a far more dangerous bad team than Detroit and Seattle did what a great team Is supposed to do to a bad team . Ask Buffalo

You people know better . It’s the NFL . Any given Sunday . The last time we saw Geno he played an almost perfect game .

[tarlhawk]

With a lot of time to watch various film study breakdowns and knowing that Shane Waldron has some QB coaching magic in his background...I will go on record here with a solid tick for Drew Lock. A prototype size with athletic pocket maneuverability ...Drew's arm (which got GM John Schneider excited) is a triggered cannon which can allow a WR who gets quick separation (DK/Lockett) a quick catch without slow down. A strong running game will play to Drew's strength...which is Run/Pass option (Play Action). Denver has a decent WR corps but seeing them in much of the film breakdown makes appreciation for DK and Lockett an emphatic advantage!

[Hawktawk]

With a lot of time to watch various film study breakdowns and knowing that Shane Waldron has some QB coaching magic in his background...I will go on record here with a solid tick for Drew Lock. A prototype size with athletic pocket maneuverability ...Drew's arm (which got GM John Schneider excited) is a triggered cannon which can allow a WR who gets quick separation (DK/Lockett) a quick catch without slow down. A strong running game will play to Drew's strength...which is Run/Pass option (Play Action). Denver has a decent WR corps but seeing them in much of the film breakdown makes appreciation for DK and Lockett an emphatic advantage!

There’s quite a bit of chatter among the talking heads that it will quite possibly be Lock starting and Tari I completely agree about the skill pieces . Russ doesn’t have Lockett and DK for sure . Juedy is in the training room and in trouble with the law . We got their best weapon in Fant and he’s already caught 74 balls from Lock.
Based on comments from Geno complimenting Drew it looks like a happy QB room with 2 guys who respect one another . May the best man win . Whoever it is has superior weapons .

[NorthHawk]

Jeudy has been cleared of any wrong doing in his case - no further action wil be taken.
Fant had a problem with drops last year, so maybe it's a net benefit to the Broncos as they weren't too upset about him leaving.
The Broncos would have been tough against us even if they didn't have Wilson.

[RiverDog]

Based on comments from Geno complimenting Drew it looks like a happy QB room with 2 guys who respect one another.

Hopefully Geno doesn't accuse Lock of having little dick syndrome.

[tarlhawk]

Fant had a problem with drops last year

Time to bring your Fant slander to a close...Noah Fant was targeted 90 times and caught 68 of them giving his QB a QB rating of 111 and producing 29 first downs and 4 TD...WHILE DROPPING ONLY 2 PASSES!

[Hawktawk]

Jeudy has been cleared of any wrong doing in his case - no further action wil be taken.
Fant had a problem with drops last year, so maybe it's a net benefit to the Broncos as they weren't too upset about him leaving.
The Broncos would have been tough against us even if they didn't have Wilson.

We’re going to smoke Denver like a cheap joint . I think my buddy and I are going to the game to watch the carnage live .