Russell Wilson trade results thus far

[tarlhawk]

He's had 6 different coordinators in the past 5 seasons. He lost one of the best players, and by far the best QB, the franchise has ever had. He hasn't gotten out of the divisional round of the playoffs for the past 7 seasons.

6?? ... 2016 and 2017 we had Kris Richard as DC and Darrell Bevell as OC...then for next three years 2018 thru 2020 had Ken Norton as DC and Marty Schottenheimer as OC (thats two changes in 5 years...2021 saw Shane Waldron as OC and still Ken Norton as DC (hmmm three coordinator changes in 6 yrs...and finally Waldron as OC and Clint Hurtt as DC for upcoming 2022 season...a 4th change in 7 yrs 2 changes in OC and 2 changes in DC...you paint an elusive bad picture to point a finger of blame that Pete has somehow "lost it"?? If you see the looks and expressions of the rookies and new free agent pick-ups during tv conferences you see genuine smiles and being enamored whenever they bring up the name of their Head Coach...they feel happy and blessed...its a winning atmosphere and culture! NFL playoffs are never easy for any team...just reaching the "door step" (NFC Championship) of the Super Bowl requires a lot of intangibles to fall into place.

[Aseahawkfan]

6?? ... 2016 and 2017 we had Kris Richard as DC and Darrell Bevell as OC...then for next three years 2018 thru 2020 had Ken Norton as DC and Marty Schottenheimer as OC (thats two changes in 5 years...2021 saw Shane Waldron as OC and still Ken Norton as DC (hmmm three coordinator changes in 6 yrs...and finally Waldron as OC and Clint Hurtt as DC for upcoming 2022 season...a 4th change in 7 yrs 2 changes in OC and 2 changes in DC...you paint an elusive bad picture to point a finger of blame that Pete has somehow "lost it"?? If you see the looks and expressions of the rookies and new free agent pick-ups during tv conferences you see genuine smiles and being enamored whenever they bring up the name of their Head Coach...they feel happy and blessed...its a winning atmosphere and culture! NFL playoffs are never easy for any team...just reaching the "door step" (NFC Championship) of the Super Bowl requires a lot of intangibles to fall into place.

I see that every year on every team with the rookies and players in general. I could watch the Jacksonville Jaguars press and they would be pumping up the team and making it seem like they have a real shot. No one sits there in front of the cameras looking glum and telling the press we're all done before the season starts and I hate my head coach.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="c_hawkbob"]Naturally you left out the most important part of the origins of that $250M number; as with most thing you attribute to him, it didn't come from Russ:

Klis later reclassified these numbers as his "presumption" and affirmed that "no one has asked for anything at this time."


Yeah nothing ever comes from Russ .

He’s like a politician . It’s called deniability .Teflon . We saw the track record on the rumors here . It will be fascinating to see how Denver plays this . Be proactive or see what you have first . I gotta say glad it’s not our puzzle anymore .

[Old but Slow]

The Denver fans thought that Russ would be so glad to get out of Seattle that he'd play for nothing.

[Hawktawk]

The Denver fans thought that Russ would be so glad to get out of Seattle that he'd play for nothing.

Exactly lmao hey Denver you get the whole package , good bad and ugly . Good luck with this

[NorthHawk]

They have the ability to make him the highest paid player in the NFL and still make continual
runs at going deep into the playoffs. Every team can do that if they choose. It’s a matter of
drafting well in the mid to late rounds and creative contract structuring. With the Cap expected
to increase by $50M - $75M over the next 5 - 10 years or less it’s not as bad as some make it out to be.

[c_hawkbob]

Yeah nothing ever comes from Russ .

He’s like a politician . It’s called deniability .Teflon . We saw the track record on the rumors here . It will be fascinating to see how Denver plays this . Be proactive or see what you have first . I gotta say glad it’s not our puzzle anymore .

Jeezus, they asked the reporter (a local Denver news reporter, not someone from "Russ' camp") where he got the numbers and he said they were literally just his guess. Not everything is a conspiracy, no matter how much you want it to be.

[Hawktawk]

It’s in the news today “ Russel wants paid and Denver fans were not prepared “ . Sure it’s stirring the pot by the media but with Let’s Ride camp where there’s smoke there’s always fire .

He never gave the team that made him a star a discount . Why do it now that you’re just a hired gun , a mercenary ? Denver brass had said upon completion of the trade that contract talks were “ not imminent “ so here comes the subtle pressure campaign.

What he may not get is there’s no great reservoir of goodwill in Denver . They won’t be patient with winning a wildcard here and there or missing the playoffs . Good luck Denver . Let’s ride

[c_hawkbob]

So you were just absolutely lying about giving it a rest till Sept. weren't you? I'm about done with you, you can't be reasoned with and you're dishonest.

[Hawktawk]

So you were just absolutely lying about giving it a rest till Sept. weren't you? I'm about done with you, you can't be reasoned with and you're dishonest.

Is the leak of contract details Russels agent as field gulls speculated it might be a legitimate story ? Did I call Russ some bad name ? Is the fact we won’t be paying it relevant to this trade ?

I’m not talking about his play or his personality . Not even using his name . Just let’s ride . Is the fact Russ is almost certainly gonna want a quarter billion legit ? Do I have to address him in glowing terms and his awesome honest agent Mark Rodgers or break my agreement ? Talk about dishonest .

I just find it funny Denver fans are waking up with a bit of a hangover from dating so charming it’s alarming there’s people right on this forum that still can’t figure out what has been going on for quite a while . But pine for a guy that was all about himself at the end and will be the rest of his career all you want .

[NorthHawk]

So you were just absolutely lying about giving it a rest till Sept. weren't you? I'm about done with you, you can't be reasoned with and you're dishonest.

Ah yes, the unrestrained ramblings of a jilted lover...
I just gloss over those posts for the most part now.

[Hawktawk]

So you were just absolutely lying about giving it a rest till Sept. weren't you? I'm about done with you, you can't be reasoned with and you're dishonest.

Ah yes, the unrestrained ramblings of a jilted lover...
I just gloss over those posts for the most part now.

Mmmmhhm which is why you respond to most of them . Those who choose Russ over the Seahawks are the jilted lovers . Imo I felt he didn’t have a team oriented bone in his body at the end .

My attitude isn’t love. Jilted or otherwise . That’s you guys .

Why is the topic of Russ wanting a quarter billion dollars off the table for HT? But Pete sucks , can’t draft , let the talent dwindle so Russ had to leave to win his 3 or 4 more championships , all that repeated garbage over and over is fine . Gotcha . I’ll say this . If Russ helps win a title there pay him 60 million. I’m all for it . I just found the current situation amusing in Denver . It’s been all about the money .

[RiverDog]

So you were just absolutely lying about giving it a rest till Sept. weren't you? I'm about done with you, you can't be reasoned with and you're dishonest.

Ah yes, the unrestrained ramblings of a jilted lover...I just gloss over those posts for the most part now.

Yeah, I've gotten to the point where I just let him go on his rants. It doesn't bother me any.

[RiverDog]

Mmmmhhm which is why you respond to most of them . Those who choose Russ over the Seahawks are the jilted lovers . Imo I felt he didn’t have a team oriented bone in his body at the end .

My attitude isn’t love. Jilted or otherwise . That’s you guys .

Why is the topic of Russ wanting a quarter billion dollars off the table for HT? But Pete sucks , can’t draft , let the talent dwindle so Russ had to leave to win his 3 or 4 more championships , all that repeated garbage over and over is fine . Gotcha . I’ll say this . If Russ helps win a title there pay him 60 million. I’m all for it . I just found the current situation amusing in Denver . It’s been all about the money .

I realize that you're trying to make do with a cell phone with a cracked screen and have difficulty referencing articles, copying quotes, etc, but it's not helping you with the points you're trying to make. If you could copy and paste, use the italics feature to indicate exact quotes, clean up your postings, use hyperlinks to articles, it would make your points a little more understandable. Let me try to help:

The Seattle Seahawks didn’t trade Russell Wilson in a contract year, but he and his ever-engaged agent have already ruffled some financial feathers this spring. Apparently, Wilson could be interested in $50 million per year once signing day comes, and newly-united Denver Broncos fans seem to be a bit surprised.

Are big bucks or championship rings more important to Broncos quarterback Russell Wilson? https://dpo.st/3zhNpjW by
@markkiszla

“I will love Russell Wilson less if he wants a $50 million salary from the Broncos”

To be fair the reactions are pretty split on this, as many are so excited to have a top-10 QB they’ll be happy with whatever. But having not played a single official down, based off a report that has since been invalidated, some are already willing to declare the gamble for the franchise’s future not worth it.

It’s interesting what money does to perspective.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ru ... uxbndlbing

You'll also note that the article said that the report that I think you are talking about has since been invalidated.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

$50 million per year to not get far in the playoffs at best is my guess.

[Aseahawkfan]

I wonder what DK will ask for. Word is he is not at mandatory camp. Rumor it is not excused. So we have our own player cap issues to deal with and will have them ongoing as salaries are inflating.

You get what you pay for. Top dollar for quality QBs are going to the norm, not the outlier. So when we do get another top quality QB, we'll have to pay them unless most on here are of the mind that every time the QB reaches that contract point we trade them and hope we can always do a rebuild looking for a new QB.

[Hawktawk]

Same for a top quality receiver , a bell cow receiver that makes anyone better . If they trade DK I’ll get on the rebuild train with all of you . He’s crucial to this teams success in the near future .

[Hawktawk]

$50 million per year to not get far in the playoffs at best is my guess.

Or not get to the playoffs . Entirely possible in that division .

[RiverDog]

I wonder what DK will ask for. Word is he is not at mandatory camp. Rumor it is not excused. So we have our own player cap issues to deal with and will have them ongoing as salaries are inflating.

Here's the 'word' and 'rumors' you eluded to:

Wide receiver DK Metcalf didn’t attend the first day of Seahawks minicamp on Tuesday and it appears his decision to skip the session will open the door to fines from the team. According to multiple reports, Metcalf’s absence is unexcused.

Metcalf had foot surgery earlier this offseason, so he would not be doing on-field work if he had been at the team’s facility on Tuesday. He had been in attendance for voluntary work earlier in the offseason program, however, and any decision to miss time at this point is likely linked to his desire for a contract extension heading into his fourth NFL season.

Both Metcalf and the Seahawks have shown optimism about getting such a deal done, but Metcalf’s absence may be a signal that the outlook has gotten less rosy on his end.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/re ... uxbndlbing

And it's crickets from Pete Carroll, so something is brewing, and it ain't good.

Mark my words, we should have traded him.

[Hawktawk]

I realize that you're trying to make do with a cell phone with a cracked screen and have difficulty referencing articles, copying quotes, etc, but it's not helping you with the points you're trying to make. If you could copy and paste, use the italics feature to indicate exact quotes, clean up your postings, use hyperlinks to articles, it would make your points a little more understandable. Let me try to help:

The Seattle Seahawks didn’t trade Russell Wilson in a contract year, but he and his ever-engaged agent have already ruffled some financial feathers this spring. Apparently, Wilson could be interested in $50 million per year once signing day comes, and newly-united Denver Broncos fans seem to be a bit surprised.

Are big bucks or championship rings more important to Broncos quarterback Russell Wilson? https://dpo.st/3zhNpjW by
@markkiszla

“I will love Russell Wilson less if he wants a $50 million salary from the Broncos”

To be fair the reactions are pretty split on this, as many are so excited to have a top-10 QB they’ll be happy with whatever. But having not played a single official down, based off a report that has since been invalidated, some are already willing to declare the gamble for the franchise’s future not worth it.

It’s interesting what money does to perspective.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ru ... uxbndlbing

You'll also note that the article said that the report that I think you are talking about has since been invalidated.

John Clayton swore there was no way Russ would be traded along with others . Frankly it surprised me . But in hindsight rumors about Russ have proven true . As for my points being hard to understand and my posts being hard to decipher my bad I really don’t know how to cut and paste from a phone and quite often read an article hours before being on the chat line . I’m a speed reader with a photographic memory which is why if I said it I read it . I speculate but I don’t make up stuff.

Kinda like the checked out stuff I got called a rumormonger and low character person for sharing . I’m the same guy I’ve been since 2000 on the PI forum . How my optimism for next season , defense of Pete and Seattle against the constant attacks from most of the forum is a rant and Pete sucks , Russ was god and were doomed over and over is just proper forum discourse apparently .

[Hawktawk]

I wonder what DK will ask for. Word is he is not at mandatory camp. Rumor it is not excused. So we have our own player cap issues to deal with and will have them ongoing as salaries are inflating.

Here's the 'word' and 'rumors' you eluded to:

Wide receiver DK Metcalf didn’t attend the first day of Seahawks minicamp on Tuesday and it appears his decision to skip the session will open the door to fines from the team. According to multiple reports, Metcalf’s absence is unexcused.

Metcalf had foot surgery earlier this offseason, so he would not be doing on-field work if he had been at the team’s facility on Tuesday. He had been in attendance for voluntary work earlier in the offseason program, however, and any decision to miss time at this point is likely linked to his desire for a contract extension heading into his fourth NFL season.

Both Metcalf and the Seahawks have shown optimism about getting such a deal done, but Metcalf’s absence may be a signal that the outlook has gotten less rosy on his end.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/re ... uxbndlbing

And it's crickets from Pete Carroll, so something is brewing, and it ain't good.

Mark my words, we should have traded him.[/quote]

No deal is easy . When it’s one of the best young players in the league with an exploding market it’s harder . DK has said he’d like to be here but he played hurt all year for 3 million and was still extremely productive . As I’ve said he’s the cheapest option for us as opposed to others who would be sacrificing draft capital to acquire this generational talent . I hope it happens . It’s worth an extra win or 2 imo .

[RiverDog]

No deal is easy . When it’s one of the best young players in the league with an exploding market it’s harder . DK has said he’d like to be here but he played hurt all year for 3 million and was still extremely productive . As I’ve said he’s the cheapest option for us as opposed to others who would be sacrificing draft capital to acquire this generational talent . I hope it happens . It’s worth an extra win or 2 imo .

After the Russell Wilson drama, have we yet to learn not to trust players when they say that they'd like to be here? Metcalf's assurances mean absolutely nothing. It's a waste of breath to note that any player said that they'd 'like to be here.'

[Hawktawk]

No deal is easy . When it’s one of the best young players in the league with an exploding market it’s harder . DK has said he’d like to be here but he played hurt all year for 3 million and was still extremely productive . As I’ve said he’s the cheapest option for us as opposed to others who would be sacrificing draft capital to acquire this generational talent . I hope it happens . It’s worth an extra win or 2 imo .

After the Russell Wilson drama, have we yet to learn not to trust players when they say that they'd like to be here? Metcalf's assurances mean absolutely nothing. It's a waste of breath to note that any player said that they'd 'like to be here.'

Great point although I think Mark Rodgers took it to another level with his client . I still think it gets done . He’s crucial unless our QBs are better than I think and can win with whoever . He’s a fan favorite and with Russ and Bobby gone he’s really the face of the franchise in a way. If they trade DK it’s a bad message to the fans and the locker room . It will temper my expectations greatly .

[NorthHawk]

After the Russell Wilson drama, have we yet to learn not to trust players when they say that they'd like to be here? Metcalf's assurances mean absolutely nothing. It's a waste of breath to note that any player said that they'd 'like to be here.'

We don't know what's going through DK's mind about this.
If the money is right, most players would probably stay, but just maybe he's looking at the situation and thinking he wants more than market value because it's going to be 2 or 3 years of a rebuild and below average
QB play all while he will be wasting his prime years. Add in the JV Offense that Peteball is and I can see a situation where he would demand far more just to keep him here. Seattle is not longer a prime destination
for players. Players aren't looking here and thinking it's a place where there's a chance of getting a ring and that's going to cost us more money for FA's and retaining our own draft picks.
Maybe it's still the best move to trade him if he's stubborn about the money.

[RiverDog]

After the Russell Wilson drama, have we yet to learn not to trust players when they say that they'd like to be here? Metcalf's assurances mean absolutely nothing. It's a waste of breath to note that any player said that they'd 'like to be here.'

We don't know what's going through DK's mind about this. If the money is right, most players would probably stay, but just maybe he's looking at the situation and thinking he wants more than market value because it's going to be 2 or 3 years of a rebuild and below average
QB play all while he will be wasting his prime years. Add in the JV Offense that Peteball is and I can see a situation where he would demand far more just to keep him here. Seattle is not longer a prime destination for players. Players aren't looking here and thinking it's a place where there's a chance of getting a ring and that's going to cost us more money for FA's and retaining our own draft picks.

Maybe it's still the best move to trade him if he's stubborn about the money.

The best time to have traded Metcalf would have been before this season's draft. We would have known exactly what draft slots were being offered and teams were still uncertain about their rosters. Especially now that Metcalf is showing some 'stubbornness', as you put it, his market value is somewhat less.

At this point, it's probably best to either resign him to a team friendly contract...good luck with that...or let him play out his rookie deal, become a free agent, and get a comp pick when he signs with the Cowboys for some outrageous amount that a sucker like Jerry Jones would pony up.

[NorthHawk]

Team rosters aren't set and there are a lot of teams that would love to add someone like DK.
Even if it's one of the better teams that draft late, they might be give up a 1st for him which would give us 3 1st round picks next year.
True, it's not as much return that we could have had trading him prior to the draft, but it's better than a 3rd round compensation pick.
With the change in our Offense and the youth up front, there's not going to be much production to the WRs on deep throws like we have
had in the past as the other teams pass rush will be formidable for the next couple of years while the OT's develop. Basically, he won't
have much value here for a couple of years and so a large contract might be a waste of Cap space.
But there's a long time until the season starts and maybe a lot of personnel churn so who knows what the starting lineup will look like.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

A Seaside Joe article on Field Gulls Pre-Snap Reads broke down the Metcalf situation very well. He has pretty much zero leverage. If he holds out of training camp, he’ll forfeit an accrued season and would be a restricted free agent when his contract is up.

Doesn’t mean the Seahawks will play hardball, but Metcalf is limited in what he can do to get a contract or get traded.

I’ll come back and eat crow, but I don’t the play here is trading him. Hoping Seaside Joe is right; get Metcalf taken care of at training camp time.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Team rosters aren't set and there are a lot of teams that would love to add someone like DK.
Even if it's one of the better teams that draft late, they might be give up a 1st for him which would give us 3 1st round picks next year.
True, it's not as much return that we could have had trading him prior to the draft, but it's better than a 3rd round compensation pick.
With the change in our Offense and the youth up front, there's not going to be much production to the WRs on deep throws like we have
had in the past as the other teams pass rush will be formidable for the next couple of years while the OT's develop. Basically, he won't
have much value here for a couple of years and so a large contract might be a waste of Cap space.
But there's a long time until the season starts and maybe a lot of personnel churn so who knows what the starting lineup will look like.

Doesn’t have to be a lot of production to wide receivers and deep throws. Not saying it is all going to click, but there’s a chance the offense could become productive.

I really want to see if Drew Lock has the chops or not, and Metcalf could help that. Metcalf will also help whichever QB ends on the squad next season (2023). I think he is going to be incredibly valuable to whoever is taking the snaps going forward.

[RiverDog]

Team rosters aren't set and there are a lot of teams that would love to add someone like DK.
Even if it's one of the better teams that draft late, they might be give up a 1st for him which would give us 3 1st round picks next year.
True, it's not as much return that we could have had trading him prior to the draft, but it's better than a 3rd round compensation pick.
With the change in our Offense and the youth up front, there's not going to be much production to the WRs on deep throws like we have
had in the past as the other teams pass rush will be formidable for the next couple of years while the OT's develop. Basically, he won't
have much value here for a couple of years and so a large contract might be a waste of Cap space.
But there's a long time until the season starts and maybe a lot of personnel churn so who knows what the starting lineup will look like.

What you say is true, but nevertheless, the market for trading Metcalf isn't as good as it was before the draft. Teams like the Jets, Saints, Lions, Falcons, and Commanders, all teams that might have been interested in Metcalf before the draft, took a WR in the first round and aren't nearly as likely to bite on a Metcalf trade at this point. Additionally, trading him now means that we won't know what the draft slotting is for any picks we might get for him.

That doesn't mean I'm against trading him. I'd love to have another first round pick in 2023. It's just that the optimum time has passed, and a real blockbuster trade like the Tyreek Hill deal is unlikely.

[NorthHawk]

My guess is he will want what AJ Brown (his college teammate) got which averages $25M, I
think. We aren’t known for paying big money on 2nd contracts (Frank Clark comes to mind) so it’s not
out of the realm of possibility that we trade DK. And Clark was playing a more important position on a
team that still had a chance to go deep into the playoffs. So I’m halfway expecting a trade at this point.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

So if they don’t opt to trade him and he holds out, then he loses an accrued year. If he doesn’t hold out but doesn’t play well it also hurts him. Seems the Seahawks don’t have to do anything now if they don’t want to. Only benefit to a new contract now is a good faith move towards DK.

[c_hawkbob]

I think June is a bit early to be talking holdout. I also think we've bled enough talent this season. A deal is still more likely than not IMO.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I do mean holding out come training camp. I do think it is more likely they make a deal then than stand firm in their advantage and let him play this season without an extension. Hasn’t it been typical that these extensions usually don’t hit this year’s cap much? The big money doesn’t start hitting until the 2nd year?

[Hawktawk]

The kid played hurt all year and never missed a game , fought his tail off . Only complaint is not being targeted when he’s open .

He’s earned it and he’s a problem for everyone . He beat both Ramsey and Lattimore in Genos 13 quarters and was running wide open vs the rams in the second game but Russ didn’t see him or something . We need the guy . I think Seattle’s FO understand it and if they reward the guy he will reward us all.

[NorthHawk]

I do mean holding out come training camp. I do think it is more likely they make a deal then than stand firm in their advantage and let him play this season without an extension. Hasn’t it been typical that these extensions usually don’t hit this year’s cap much? The big money doesn’t start hitting until the 2nd year?

Yah, typically it lowers the Cap the first year but we don’t need a lot of Cap relief this year so it might not
be structured that way. I think we have about $17.5M in Cap room today.

The question I have is would the salary at about $25M be worth it if he doesn’t see much of the ball
given that we are expected to run the ball more and have less accurate passers?

[Hawktawk]

Geno averaged 68.5 % completion . Russ averaged 65. I’m getting carpal tunnel trying to explain Russ has rarely ever had 13 quarters with DK with the type of stats in the 13 quarters Geno had with him
. Over a season it would be something like 1500 plus yards and 18-20 TDs to DK alone . It’s 13 quarters . I get it .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Yah, typically it lowers the Cap the first year but we don’t need a lot of Cap relief this year so it might not
be structured that way. I think we have about $17.5M in Cap room today.

The question I have is would the salary at about $25M be worth it if he doesn’t see much of the ball
given that we are expected to run the ball more and have less accurate passers?

Valid question. I saw an article yesterday where Waldron wants to get tight ends more involved. Noah Fant was talking about the play action opportunities. If running the ball and hitting tight ends on the short intermediate routes is going to be a thing and they do it successfully it could very well open things up for Metcalf. Emphasize if and could.

But spreading the ball around also means fewer targets even if they end up being successful. So either Metcalf doesn’t get his numbers due to spreading the ball around successfully or the offense just stinks. If he’s on hand to snag big plays on lay action and either take advantage of more defenders closer to the LOs or drawing an extra defender deep, I’d say it is worth it. And I’m hoping (emphasize hoping) that Lock turns a corner; if not that, draft the next franchise qb. Either way, Metcalf is worth it. Whether or not Metcalf wants to risk it coming together in the prime of his career is the thing.

[Aseahawkfan]

Valid question. I saw an article yesterday where Waldron wants to get tight ends more involved. Noah Fant was talking about the play action opportunities. If running the ball and hitting tight ends on the short intermediate routes is going to be a thing and they do it successfully it could very well open things up for Metcalf. Emphasize if and could.

But spreading the ball around also means fewer targets even if they end up being successful. So either Metcalf doesn’t get his numbers due to spreading the ball around successfully or the offense just stinks. If he’s on hand to snag big plays on lay action and either take advantage of more defenders closer to the LOs or drawing an extra defender deep, I’d say it is worth it. And I’m hoping (emphasize hoping) that Lock turns a corner; if not that, draft the next franchise qb. Either way, Metcalf is worth it. Whether or not Metcalf wants to risk it coming together in the prime of his career is the thing.

How do you keep falling for this? I've heard about getting TEs more involved since we traded for Jimmy Graham. Pete don't care about using TEs well for other than blocking. If they can't block as well as catch, they aren't gonna work well in Seattle. Best TE overall we had during the Carroll Era was Zach Miller. That's the type of TE that flourishes in a Pete Carroll system. If Noah Fant is like Zach Miller, then he'll be real useful. If he can't run block as well as catch, well, that's gonna be a problem.

[Aseahawkfan]

Geno averaged 68.5 % completion . Russ averaged 65. I’m getting carpal tunnel trying to explain Russ has rarely ever had 13 quarters with DK with the type of stats in the 13 quarters Geno had with him
. Over a season it would be something like 1500 plus yards and 18-20 TDs to DK alone . It’s 13 quarters . I get it .

Geno took the field for 3 and a half games. DK Metcalf built his name and pro bowl resume with Russell Wilson throwing to him for all but 3 and a half games. Maybe you have forgotten this, but DK Metcalf has not. Nor Tyler. Nor Pete Carroll for that matter. Just a handful of Seattle fans who want to pretend we're going to be better without the franchise QB just because.

You still refuse to acknowledge Geno went 1-2 in the three games he started. You keep listing his passing stats, but fail to mention his win-loss record making excuse after excuse for why he lost the game. When we lose and Russell is playing QB, it's Russell's fault. When we lose and Geno is playing QB, it's some other reason.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

If running the ball and hitting tight ends on the short intermediate routes is going to be a thing and they do it successfully it could very well open things up for Metcalf. Emphasize if and could.

How do you keep falling for this? I've heard about getting TEs more involved since we traded for Jimmy Graham. Pete don't care about using TEs well for other than blocking. If they can't block as well as catch, they aren't gonna work well in Seattle. Best TE overall we had during the Carroll Era was Zach Miller. That's the type of TE that flourishes in a Pete Carroll system. If Noah Fant is like Zach Miller, then he'll be real useful. If he can't run block as well as catch, well, that's gonna be a problem.

How do you miss qualifiers like the one I have in bold above? I said “if” for a reason because I haven’t yet seen it consistently employed. Not falling for anything, but I sure do hope they can make something out of the tight end group. And it will be Dissly that hopefully takes up the Zach Miller mantle. Fant was talking about his athleticism as a receiver in taking advantage of play action.