Mayfield

[c_hawkbob]

I think Mayfield would already be a Seahawk if the Browns were willing to pay more of his salary. I'm reading that we are still in the mix for him if he either gets released or the Browns change their position. Schneider is playing this about right IMO.

I can't say I hope it happens but I would be more comfortable with him on the roster than I am now.

[Hawktawk]

Looks like June 2nd could be the catalyst to getting Mayfield out of Cleveland. After June 1st his salary can be changed to a bonus and cap hit spread over multiple years. Like I have said many times before I am all for bringing Mayfield on as long as we aren't paying anywhere near to his full salary or giving up a day 1 or 2 draft pick, but a round 4 or 5 pick with a $9 million cap hit spread over the next two years would be OK with me.

That's a good scoop, mykc. My gut feeling is that if Pete were uncomfortable with his QB situation, that he would have drafted one as there were a number available that had dropped further than anyone had expected.

Great point RD. They brought several guys in for interviews and passed on all of them . I truly believe they think they can win with the guys they have whoever winds up on top . If we learned anything last time there was a quarterback change Pete doesn’t let contract or draft status get in the way .

[Aseahawkfan]

That's a good scoop, mykc. My gut feeling is that if Pete were uncomfortable with his QB situation, that he would have drafted one as there were a number available that had dropped further than anyone had expected.

I don't know. Where there is smoke, there is fire with Pete and John. If they are still talking about Seattle and Baker, there is deal talk still going. We'll see if it pans out. It sounds like John will only pull the trigger for what he thinks is the right deal. I don't believe Pete and John have any trust in Lock and Smith. Both are known quantities at this point and the chance of them turning around is slim to none.

I can see why they didn't draft a QB. Even the highest rated QB in the draft dropped substantially and multiple teams with QB needs said, "Nope." And the Steelers took some reach of a QB with their pick who wasn't even the highest rated QB in this draft.

[NorthHawk]

This wasn’t a good draft for NFL ready QBs. Ther might be a couple that turn out to be good, but
it’s going to take them a while to develop.

Regarding Mayfield he’s a better QB than we have on our team, but he has to tone down his personality
if he wants to get his career back on track. I can see signing him to a short term deal that doesn’t
cost much, but with tha history of bad trades where we gave up top value for players that teams didn’t
think fit into their future plans it wouldn’t surprise me if we ended up giving far too much.

[mykc14]

That's a good scoop, mykc. My gut feeling is that if Pete were uncomfortable with his QB situation, that he would have drafted one as there were a number available that had dropped further than anyone had expected.

I honestly believe they had Lock rated higher than every QB in the draft, therefore no QB had more upside than Lock so why waste your time? Mayfield represents somebody with more upside.

[mykc14]

I think Mayfield would already be a Seahawk if the Browns were willing to pay more of his salary. I'm reading that we are still in the mix for him if he either gets released or the Browns change their position. Schneider is playing this about right IMO.

I can't say I hope it happens but I would be more comfortable with him on the roster than I am now.

I do agree that it is more likely to not happen than to happen, but this does give them flexibility. They also might be waiting until they hear more about Watson's punishment. With Trevor Baur's suspension in baseball we could see something more than 6 games for Watson (it could also be less- who knows?).

[NorthHawk]

I think there is some sort of Cap advantage for after June 1st where they can convert his salary into a signing bonus and spread it
over 2 years so it would be in the Browns best interest to wait to trade him.

[mykc14]

Why? He’s considered a bust in Cleveland , they could not unload him to anyone . He’s going to cost more than Geno and Locke put together plus a draft pick ? And you get a guy with Russel Wilson’s stature without the arm talent or wheels or football intelligence . Coupled with a terrible attitude . Listening to DK and Lockett they are pretty fired up with what’s going on right now and they would know . Shane Waldron repeated yesterday that Geno remains in the lead , picked up where he left off in 21 , very comfortable with the offense . He said Locke is fighting his tail off to catch up . He did say that they are in shorts and tennis shoes right now so there’s lots of time left to see who wins . Nowhere in his or Pete’s or JS comments do I get any indication they are adding any other veteran . Especially a guy who threw 17 TDs with OBJ and Jarvis Landry , nick Chubb in back of him
Not my choice at all.

The Hawks are looking for the next QB who can take them to the SB. Anybody they can get on our roster who has more upside than what they already have is worth some sort of risk. Despite what you believe Geno to be Mayfield offers much more upside than him. He also has more upside than Lock. You love looking at small sample sized stats so much look at Mayfields third year as a starter. He was on a nice trajectory and was supposedly hurt last year. I'm not saying he's definitely the man but I'd take him for a 4th and $9 million over both Geno and Lock, although I am intrigued by Lock. At the end of the day getting our QB that will take us to the SB is going to take time and risk- we went through Hass, Jackson, Whitehurst, and Flynn before RW. It's going to take the same sort of thinking this time. Continue to add QB's with more upside than you currently have.

[Hawktawk]

This wasn’t a good draft for NFL ready QBs. Ther might be a couple that turn out to be good, but
it’s going to take them a while to develop.

Regarding Mayfield he’s a better QB than we have on our team, but he has to tone down his personality
if he wants to get his career back on track. I can see signing him to a short term deal that doesn’t
cost much, but with tha history of bad trades where we gave up top value for players that teams didn’t
think fit into their future plans it wouldn’t surprise me if we ended up giving far too much.

Right here right now Im not sure Mayfield is better than who is on the roster. Body of work? sure. Last year? its no better than what we saw from Genos 13 quarters, statistically much worse. Geno accounted for 6 TDs in 13 quarters. Mayfield 17 in 16 starts..
I've heard teams want the Browns to pony up as much as 17 million of the 19 million due Mayfield. If there's that little confidence in him why bring him in? Regardless I've never thought Pete and John were looking at this as a throwaway season and if they feel hes a fit here they are smarter than anyone on this forum. I read some comments from Joe Burrow saying Mayfield "balls" every time they play them, rattled off a few impressive games he had beaten the Bengals in. Said he will "land on his feet".
And of course there's Watsons legal issues that could cost him a portion of the season.
We shall see.

[tarlhawk]

A team can only do so much to "cover up" poor QB play. *Heavy opinion to follow* I think Geno was re-hired to give Drew Lock some spirited competition and settle in as insurance/back-up coach...if Drew Lock fails to decisively beat out Geno in time for Pre-season...then the "door" becomes open for a guy like Baker Mayfield or an older accomplished vet to come in on the vacant (Levi Lewis) 4th QB spot.

Superior play makers in receiving/rushing and an offensive Coordinator who has Rams passing coach in his "DNA" should make it easier to discover what "direction" our team and its QB play should be headed.

[Hawktawk]

Why? He’s considered a bust in Cleveland , they could not unload him to anyone . He’s going to cost more than Geno and Locke put together plus a draft pick ? And you get a guy with Russel Wilson’s stature without the arm talent or wheels or football intelligence . Coupled with a terrible attitude . Listening to DK and Lockett they are pretty fired up with what’s going on right now and they would know . Shane Waldron repeated yesterday that Geno remains in the lead , picked up where he left off in 21 , very comfortable with the offense . He said Locke is fighting his tail off to catch up . He did say that they are in shorts and tennis shoes right now so there’s lots of time left to see who wins . Nowhere in his or Pete’s or JS comments do I get any indication they are adding any other veteran . Especially a guy who threw 17 TDs with OBJ and Jarvis Landry , nick Chubb in back of him
Not my choice at all.

The Hawks are looking for the next QB who can take them to the SB. Anybody they can get on our roster who has more upside than what they already have is worth some sort of risk. Despite what you believe Geno to be Mayfield offers much more upside than him. He also has more upside than Lock. You love looking at small sample sized stats so much look at Mayfield's third year as a starter. He was on a nice trajectory and was supposedly hurt last year. I'm not saying he's definitely the man but I'd take him for a 4th and $9 million over both Geno and Lock, although I am intrigued by Lock. At the end of the day getting our QB that will take us to the SB is going to take time and risk- we went through Hass, Jackson, Whitehurst, and Flynn before RW. It's going to take the same sort of thinking this time. Continue to add QB's with more upside than you currently have.

Mayfield had a great year in 2020. 26 TDs and 8 picks, Wilsonesque first few years and beat the Steelers at Heinz field before falling in a tough divisional game. Frankly I am shocked at how rapidly the fans and organization turned on him. But If I may say I'm ready for not another short guy that can't see over the middle and cant escape like Russ and for sure not like old Russ in the day. Russ made him a first overall pick but he aint Russ and few are.

All I know about Geno is who he was last year which was statistically better by a landslide than Mayfield with a 151 rating and 4 TDs targeting DK, 251 yards on 17-21 completions. That's approaching 20 TDs and 2 K yards to DK alone. He completed 10 passes to Rocket in the first half of his last game. Its 13 quarters that did not remotely resemble any part of Genos prior career in the league.
I found that amazing. And I am fascinated by Locke as well. hes the cleaner sheet of paper and if it was seattle that fixed Geno if they Fix Locke we have a guy for the next 10 years or until he demands a trade

[Oly]

This probably isn't true, but it's what I hope is true and it fits with some public statements:

PCJS told Jodi Allen that they had a vision for a 2 year rebuild and she gave a soft guarantee that their jobs were safe until that played out.

Here's what I would have told her if I were PCJS:
--Year 1 is all about rebuilding the core of the team to carry out Pete's football philosophy. They would focus on establishing the run and limiting explosive pass plays when drafting and signing free agents. That certainly fits Pete's philosophy and the players they picked up. Don't get a QB and accept your lumps and hope for a high draft pick.
--Year 2: use the draft capital to get one of the elite QBs at the top of the draft. Fill holes as needed. Expect improvement but not a playoff run as the rookie QB learns the playbook and develops chemistry with the offense.
--Year 3: Expect a playoff run as the Year 1 core starts playing like pros and the QB has the rookie mistakes out of his system. If the team doesn't make the playoffs in this year, PC and/or JS are gone. But if they're back in the playoffs after a 2-year rebuild/reload/whatever, then they've earned as much more time as they want.

That's a very best-case scenario given the talent level of this team, IMO, but one that is plausible.

Now, back to Mayfield: he screws that whole thing up. Unless they think Mayfield is better than the QB prospects in the 2023 draft, he ruins everything. I don't think he's anywhere close to that good, so even if they sign him on the cheap, it would be a sign to me that PCJS don't have any plan at all or that they are the worst QB evaluators in the league. So while I share RiverDog's distrust of a single word that PC says, I think it's very, very possible he's telling the truth about being satisfied with the LockSmith "QB situation." I just think he's satisfied with the situation part of that phrase (i.e., that the plan is still in effect) rather than the QB part of that phrase (i.e., I think you can be happy with the situation but underwhelmed by the QBs).

[NorthHawk]

What I can see happening with Mayfield is they see Lock and Geno up close
and panic then trade for Mayfield to help them win a few games or at least
give them a better chance to do so. But even then he wouldn’t be a long term answer
at QB IMO.

[Aseahawkfan]

This probably isn't true, but it's what I hope is true and it fits with some public statements:

PCJS told Jodi Allen that they had a vision for a 2 year rebuild and she gave a soft guarantee that their jobs were safe until that played out.

Here's what I would have told her if I were PCJS:
--Year 1 is all about rebuilding the core of the team to carry out Pete's football philosophy. They would focus on establishing the run and limiting explosive pass plays when drafting and signing free agents. That certainly fits Pete's philosophy and the players they picked up. Don't get a QB and accept your lumps and hope for a high draft pick.
--Year 2: use the draft capital to get one of the elite QBs at the top of the draft. Fill holes as needed. Expect improvement but not a playoff run as the rookie QB learns the playbook and develops chemistry with the offense.
--Year 3: Expect a playoff run as the Year 1 core starts playing like pros and the QB has the rookie mistakes out of his system. If the team doesn't make the playoffs in this year, PC and/or JS are gone. But if they're back in the playoffs after a 2-year rebuild/reload/whatever, then they've earned as much more time as they want.

That's a very best-case scenario given the talent level of this team, IMO, but one that is plausible.

Now, back to Mayfield: he screws that whole thing up. Unless they think Mayfield is better than the QB prospects in the 2023 draft, he ruins everything. I don't think he's anywhere close to that good, so even if they sign him on the cheap, it would be a sign to me that PCJS don't have any plan at all or that they are the worst QB evaluators in the league. So while I share RiverDog's distrust of a single word that PC says, I think it's very, very possible he's telling the truth about being satisfied with the LockSmith "QB situation." I just think he's satisfied with the situation part of that phrase (i.e., that the plan is still in effect) rather than the QB part of that phrase (i.e., I think you can be happy with the situation but underwhelmed by the QBs).

Depends on the price. If we spend a 1st on Baker, then yeah, too much. If they spend a 2nd or lower and Cleveland covers part of his contract, might as well give Baker a shot. The guy has great weapons here in receivers and has put up better numbers than any of the guys we have. It's a low cost, high reward type of play like when we traded for Marshawn when he was on the outs in Buffalo and everyone thought he was a bust and was going to wash out of the league due to off the field issues.

If Baker don't work out, oh well. If he does, then great for us. So for me a Baker trade depends on what we pay for it. I like low cost, high reward trades like Marshawn Lynch or Chris Clemons. I don't like high risk, high reward trades like Harvin or Jamal Adams. Those don't make sense to me. Jamal Adams for positional reasons. Harvin for his off the field garbage. But if we can pick up Baker for a 2nd or lower and Cleveland covers his contract, I'm good with it. If we get him for a 3rd or a 4th and some contract, John would be looking back to his old form.

[Hawktawk]

What I can see happening with Mayfield is they see Lock and Geno up close
and panic then trade for Mayfield to help them win a few games or at least
give them a better chance to do so. But even then he wouldn’t be a long term answer
at QB IMO.

They saw Geno for 13 quarters and in OTAs hes "leading the charge" they dont sound panicked. Explain what would be wrong with a QB averaging 68.5 % and lighting up DK like a Christmas tree. Hes been throwing to DK and Rocket for 4 training camps now too.

I get it. You think it was a mirage. He will regress to 55% and a pick per TD right?. Id counter if that was his game these days he would have been long gone from the roster before he came in vs the Rams and went 98. QBs that go 98 cold vs a world champion defense dont panic me a bit. Unless I'm playing defense.

I dont care I want the win now guy. especially week 1

[NorthHawk]

They saw Geno for 13 quarters and in OTAs hes "leading the charge" they dont sound panicked. Explain what would be wrong with a QB averaging 68.5 % and lighting up DK like a Christmas tree. Hes been throwing to DK and Rocket for 4 training camps now too.

I get it. You think it was a mirage. He will regress to 55% and a pick per TD right?. Id counter if that was his game these days he would have been long gone from the roster before he came in vs the Rams and went 98. QBs that go 98 cold vs a world champion defense dont panic me a bit. Unless I'm playing defense.

I dont care I want the win now guy. especially week 1

Obviously the coaching staff didn't think Geno is really that good because they took their time signing him and then to a short term deal.
They also wanted Lock to compete.
That says a lot just by those actions.

And we all want to win - that's a given but we also want to win in the long term, too and that doesn't include Geno as the starting QB over the next few years.

[c_hawkbob]

Well one way or another we'll be adding another QB before training camp. We cut Levi Lewis yesterday leaving us with three on the roster, we always carry at least 4 for camp.

[Aseahawkfan]

They saw Geno for 13 quarters and in OTAs hes "leading the charge" they dont sound panicked. Explain what would be wrong with a QB averaging 68.5 % and lighting up DK like a Christmas tree. Hes been throwing to DK and Rocket for 4 training camps now too.

I get it. You think it was a mirage. He will regress to 55% and a pick per TD right?. Id counter if that was his game these days he would have been long gone from the roster before he came in vs the Rams and went 98. QBs that go 98 cold vs a world champion defense dont panic me a bit. Unless I'm playing defense.

I dont care I want the win now guy. especially week 1

Geno went 1 and 2 in his 3 games. Sounds like a lose now guy to me. You keep focusing on those three games and keep forgetting we lost 2 of them, yet you keep painting it like we went 3-0 or something. We didn't. We went 1 and 2 with Geno who couldn't bring us back and close a game out, which is what really separates the starters from the backups.

[trents]

Seahawks just released undrafted QB Levi Lewis. They now have an open roster spot. Is this a move to make room for Mayfield?

[RiverDog]

They saw Geno for 13 quarters and in OTAs hes "leading the charge" they dont sound panicked. Explain what would be wrong with a QB averaging 68.5 % and lighting up DK like a Christmas tree. Hes been throwing to DK and Rocket for 4 training camps now too.

I get it. You think it was a mirage. He will regress to 55% and a pick per TD right?. Id counter if that was his game these days he would have been long gone from the roster before he came in vs the Rams and went 98. QBs that go 98 cold vs a world champion defense dont panic me a bit. Unless I'm playing defense.

I dont care I want the win now guy. especially week 1

Geno went 1 and 2 in his 3 games. Sounds like a lose now guy to me. You keep focusing on those three games and keep forgetting we lost 2 of them, yet you keep painting it like we went 3-0 or something. We didn't. We went 1 and 2 with Geno who couldn't bring us back and close a game out, which is what really separates the starters from the backups.

Not to mention that the 1 win was against the worst team in the league for the last two years running.

[NorthHawk]

Seahawks just released undrafted QB Levi Lewis. They now have an open roster spot. Is this a move to make room for Mayfield?

I thought that too, but it's so early it might be to just give them more options and a lot more players will be cut/shuffled before TC I would think.

[Hawktawk]

Explain what would be wrong with a QB averaging 68.5 % and lighting up DK like a Christmas tree. Hes been throwing to DK and Rocket for 4 training camps now too.



Obviously the coaching staff didn't think Geno is really that good because they took their time signing him and then to a short term deal.
They also wanted Lock to compete.
That says a lot just by those actions.

And we all want to win - that's a given but we also want to win in the long term, too and that doesn't include Geno as the starting QB over the next few years.

Once again you are completely 100% wrong about the circumstances of the Geno signing. Seattle intended to sign him from the beginning and had a contract on the table for some undetermined amount of time before Geno signed it. Pete made a public plea to Geno to "take advantage of this opportunity". Whatever the Hawkshack experts think Pete has praised Geno since his time starting, called his Jacksonville game "one of our best games of the year" Said he had been "prepared and ready to go" when Russ returned, had "played great" his last game.

Waldron said hes still leading but were in tennis shoes and shorts. Of course Locke is expected to compete as is presumably Eason. Point is I was absolutely correct he played starter quality ball last year or we wouldn't be having the conversation.Id be delighted if hes anywhere near the same guy as last year and Locke beats him fair and square because were going to the super bowl if it happens.Not sure what long term means . Genos 2 years younger than Russ with a fraction of the mileage on his tires.

Geno played in 4 games. 10 points and a 98 yard drive vs the world champs in a quarter. First start in 5 years he led scoring drives on 4 of the last 5 drives of regulation despite 5 sacks , numerous hits and tipped balls by a defense that led the league in sacks behind TJ Watt. 72 % completion, 102 QBR completions to 10 receivers which I had to read twice I found that astounding for a guy making his first start in 5 years against that defense on the road in prime time. The only 2 minute drive I remember in a damn long time.
His worst game was vs the Saints in a downpour, 60% completion, 10 points but still a 65 yard laser to DK beating Lattimore. A couple of missed Meyers field goals ultimately sealed the loss to a defense that shut out the Goat a couple weeks later. Geno beat both Jalen Ramsey and Lattimore for TDs to DK in 13 quarters.
2 more touches to DK followed in the Jacksonville game"Ive never had a ball like that" the infamous quote by DK being covered by their best corner to anyone but geno haters, as his teammates congratulated him, ribbed with him. As Michelle Tafoya said prior to the Pittsburgh game" He is universally loved by his teammates" Well we can say not one of his former teammates in hindsight because Russels iron man stunt really hurt Geno and really hurt the team as well.

DK waited 6 games to catch another TD in the bears game Russ blew at the end, twice..After Geno hit him up for 17-21, 251 yards with 4 touches and a 151.5 QBR targeting our bell cow of bell cow receivers in 13 quarters. that is pushing 2 k yards and 20 TDs give or take in a season JUST TO DK.

Call him Elmer fudd. You dont like his face. I get it. He was terrible 5 years ago. But the first man not named Russ to take a snap in anger played damn fine football for the most part.

Explain how his numbers weren't starting #s? how his blowout win over the Jags where he completed 80% and Russ vs the bears and commanders where he lost to team with similar defensive struggles doesn't prove any given Sunday. Commanders surrender about 25 PPG vs Jags 26 PPG. Russ scored 13 with a pick on the 2 point.

And Asea is busted for referencing Russel's great Detroit game while mocking Genos Jags game. I dont play bad team good team in this field goal league where every team has freak athletes . Geno played starter quality for 13 quarters. Russ had a near perfect game vs detroit which is when I began to consider walking it all back but turns out it was just an audition for Denver.
If geno plays like the 13 quarters or someone plays like geno did for 13 quarters were winning 10 minimum with our improved by far defense and run game and competent on schedule QB play.

[NorthHawk]

Yah, the FO liked him so much they waited him out and took a chance on another team signing him then signed him for 1 year.
That's a huge commitment from a team and says they really think he's the long term answer, doesn't it?

[RiverDog]

Obviously the coaching staff didn't think Geno is really that good because they took their time signing him and then to a short term deal. They also wanted Lock to compete. That says a lot just by those actions.

And we all want to win - that's a given but we also want to win in the long term, too and that doesn't include Geno as the starting QB over the next few years.

Once again you are completely 100% wrong about the circumstances of the Geno signing. Seattle intended to sign him from the beginning and had a contract on the table for some undetermined amount of time before Geno signed it. Pete made a public plea to Geno to "take advantage of this opportunity". Whatever the Hawkshack experts think Pete has praised Geno since his time starting, called his Jacksonville game "one of our best games of the year" Said he had been "prepared and ready to go" when Russ returned, had "played great" his last game.

How do you know that North Hawk is "completely 100% wrong" about Geno's signing? If Geno is that good of a QB, there would have been other suitors in this QB hungry league, and as NH points out, we signed him to just a one year prove it deal.

As far as Pete praising Geno, all I need to say is "We're going to build around Tavaris!" You can't use the accolades that Pete heaps on every single player that ever straps on a helmet for him as an indication of his overall satisfaction with them.

[Aseahawkfan]

Once again you are completely 100% wrong about the circumstances of the Geno signing. Seattle intended to sign him from the beginning and had a contract on the table for some undetermined amount of time before Geno signed it. Pete made a public plea to Geno to "take advantage of this opportunity". Whatever the Hawkshack experts think Pete has praised Geno since his time starting, called his Jacksonville game "one of our best games of the year" Said he had been "prepared and ready to go" when Russ returned, had "played great" his last game.

Waldron said hes still leading but were in tennis shoes and shorts. Of course Locke is expected to compete as is presumably Eason. Point is I was absolutely correct he played starter quality ball last year or we wouldn't be having the conversation.Id be delighted if hes anywhere near the same guy as last year and Locke beats him fair and square because were going to the super bowl if it happens.Not sure what long term means . Genos 2 years younger than Russ with a fraction of the mileage on his tires.

Geno played in 4 games. 10 points and a 98 yard drive vs the world champs in a quarter. First start in 5 years he led scoring drives on 4 of the last 5 drives of regulation despite 5 sacks , numerous hits and tipped balls by a defense that led the league in sacks behind TJ Watt. 72 % completion, 102 QBR completions to 10 receivers which I had to read twice I found that astounding for a guy making his first start in 5 years against that defense on the road in prime time. The only 2 minute drive I remember in a damn long time.
His worst game was vs the Saints in a downpour, 60% completion, 10 points but still a 65 yard laser to DK beating Lattimore. A couple of missed Meyers field goals ultimately sealed the loss to a defense that shut out the Goat a couple weeks later. Geno beat both Jalen Ramsey and Lattimore for TDs to DK in 13 quarters.
2 more touches to DK followed in the Jacksonville game"Ive never had a ball like that" the infamous quote by DK being covered by their best corner to anyone but geno haters, as his teammates congratulated him, ribbed with him. As Michelle Tafoya said prior to the Pittsburgh game" He is universally loved by his teammates" Well we can say not one of his former teammates in hindsight because Russels iron man stunt really hurt Geno and really hurt the team as well.

DK waited 6 games to catch another TD in the bears game Russ blew at the end, twice..After Geno hit him up for 17-21, 251 yards with 4 touches and a 151.5 QBR targeting our bell cow of bell cow receivers in 13 quarters. that is pushing 2 k yards and 20 TDs give or take in a season JUST TO DK.

Call him Elmer fudd. You dont like his face. I get it. He was terrible 5 years ago. But the first man not named Russ to take a snap in anger played damn fine football for the most part.

Explain how his numbers weren't starting #s? how his blowout win over the Jags where he completed 80% and Russ vs the bears and commanders where he lost to team with similar defensive struggles doesn't prove any given Sunday. Commanders surrender about 25 PPG vs Jags 26 PPG. Russ scored 13 with a pick on the 2 point.

And Asea is busted for referencing Russel's great Detroit game while mocking Genos Jags game. I dont play bad team good team in this field goal league where every team has freak athletes . Geno played starter quality for 13 quarters. Russ had a near perfect game vs detroit which is when I began to consider walking it all back but turns out it was just an audition for Denver.
If geno plays like the 13 quarters or someone plays like geno did for 13 quarters were winning 10 minimum with our improved by far defense and run game and competent on schedule QB play.

If you didn't use good game-bad game and were really going by the stats, you would admit Russ is pretty from from done is and is a so much better than Geno or Lock that it isn't even worth comparison. The point you don't want to admit to is Russ went 4-2 at the end of the season when Penny was running wild including matching Geno's four game (including the game he came in at the half) TD total in one game.

Penney had his epic run not with Geno playing QB, but with Russ playing QB as he was getting back to form.

They are not even comparable. And when the wake up call comes next year that not having a franchise QB is a big deal, then we'll see what other excuses you come up with. You probably got a ton of them as spinning yarns about the game to denigrate Russell seems to be your favorite pastime right now.

And how the hell is our defense greatly improved? Lost our defensive veteran leader, 3 quarters of the secondary is coming back from injury, and we still don't have a productive pass rusher. You and another minority of Seattle fans think these draft picks are come into the league playing like pro bowlers, when we'll be lucky if one of our draft picks is that good and even the guys that are going to make it will take time to develop just like Sherm and Kam and all our other greats. But somehow in your mind, our defense is already much better without even proving it.

[obiken]

I know this is a long thread, I am sorry, but another story came out today on SI. Report: Seahawks Would Sign Baker Mayfield If Browns Opt to Cut Him. River, Cob, ASHF, kinda kills the HT theory that the Hawks have a plan at qb doesnt it.

[c_hawkbob]

I know this is a long thread, I am sorry, but another story came out today on SI. Report: Seahawks Would Sign Baker Mayfield If Browns Opt to Cut Him. River, Cob, ASHF, kinda kills the HT theory that the Hawks have a plan at qb doesnt it.

No surprise here, I said we'd be a player for a released Mayfield a while ago.

[Hawktawk]

I know this is a long thread, I am sorry, but another story came out today on SI. Report: Seahawks Would Sign Baker Mayfield If Browns Opt to Cut Him. River, Cob, ASHF, kinda kills the HT theory that the Hawks have a plan at qb doesnt it.

I would like to know how signing Mayfield if he’s released has anything to do with Seattle having no confidence in their current QBs . Based on my observations I’d trust Geno if he’s 2021 Geno . I’ve heard good reports about Lock picking up the offense and displaying his absolute cannon of an arm . But if any team in the league has a chance to get a #1 pick qb without surrendering compensation sad to tell you we won’t be the only team interested . B sides it’s been reported Watson could be facing at least a year suspension so mayfield might be going nowhere . I don’t care . I trust the guys who drafted and made Wilson a star that they can make the best choice to win in 2022.

[NorthHawk]

He’d be an immediate upgrade to what we have. Not as good as Wilson but better than Geno or Lock.
It would give him a chance to rebuild his image but it would mean he’d have to temper his personality
which seems to irk some players. I don’t know if he could do the latter.

[Aseahawkfan]

I would like to know how signing Mayfield if he’s released has anything to do with Seattle having no confidence in their current QBs . Based on my observations I’d trust Geno if he’s 2021 Geno . I’ve heard good reports about Lock picking up the offense and displaying his absolute cannon of an arm . But if any team in the league has a chance to get a #1 pick qb without surrendering compensation sad to tell you we won’t be the only team interested . B sides it’s been reported Watson could be facing at least a year suspension so mayfield might be going nowhere . I don’t care . I trust the guys who drafted and made Wilson a star that they can make the best choice to win in 2022.

They made a choice to rebuild in 2022 because they think they can win 3 years from now with the draft capital from that choice. They traded a franchise QB for an immense amount of draft capital that they will use to rebuild the team and compete hopefully by 2024. Not just log some wins, but rebuild a highly competitive team like when they first arrived developing some of these rooks from what appears to be a good draft class.

Some fans like yourself don't want to accept this is part of the choice they made, but I know what they did. I'll patiently watch to see if they rebuild magic again.

[Hawktawk]

I see the team as better than you and I think John and Pete do too . I don’t think they have any Intention of losing this ten year debate . We will see. I like the draft a lot . We have some nice pieces . On paper doesn’t play a snap . Who knows . I see no reason for Pete to try to do a 3 year rebuild at 70. They have a plan . Dk not in camp is bad though . My optimism rests greatly on him. If it’s Geno their connection was statistically ridiculous .if it’s lock it’s play action and the balls on him before Ramsey can even react . We need DK.

[NorthHawk]

They made a choice to rebuild in 2022 because they think they can win 3 years from now with the draft capital from that choice. They traded a franchise QB for an immense amount of draft capital that they will use to rebuild the team and compete hopefully by 2024. Not just log some wins, but rebuild a highly competitive team like when they first arrived developing some of these rooks from what appears to be a good draft class.

Some fans like yourself don't want to accept this is part of the choice they made, but I know what they did. I'll patiently watch to see if they rebuild magic again.

What some people don't understand or maybe don't acknowledge is the OL is the engine of the Offense and OLinemen take 2 to 3 years to develop.
That's the norm for players who are experienced in a Pro style Offense and it takes even longer for players from the non traditional offenses in College.
So the 2 to 3 year rebuild would fit with getting a QB next year as the OL gets up to speed, they can take a big step forward together. That would be a plan that depends on drafting a top QB next year
to fit the growth in the OL play.

We currently have 4 OT's on this team that total 2 years of NFL level experience. That necessarily means a huge learning curve is ahead for all of them even if they end up signing a veteran OT to lead
the way. This is going to impact our performance in a big way but that is expected of a rebuilding team - which we are. Will they pan out? Who knows but they do have some potential to be very good in time.
This year we can't expect our WRs to be big contributors because of the inexperience on the edges and probable lack of time for routes to develop, not to mention the downgrade in accuracy of the QBs on
the roster at the moment.

The Defense will have to come up big if we are to win many games, but that is suspect, too. If we go to the 3-4 Defense that many seem to expect, that puts pressure on the CBs who will be on even more of
an island than in past years schemes. Are the CB's up to the challenge? At times, they will be, but they will also get burned a lot by some of the great Offenses we will face this year.

[Hawktawk]

I look at the fact that the defense was 11th in Points last year with the offense having trouble moving chains all year leaving them on the field . Lob could do that . Most defenses can’t . But with the injuries and turmoil I see a unit that’s better then their ratings and help is on the way . I could see a couple draft picks starting . And these tackles are rooks but some of the most highly rated in the draft , especially Cross .

We will run on people penny or not . He’s the projected starter in analysis I’ve seen with Walkers contributions depending on the health of he and Carson. He’s projected # 5 rookie back but if he winds up starting due to injury or poor play he’s projected as the #2 rookie .

The DK thing is a bummer . It was reported earlier they have no
Intentions of trading him but like river says words don’t mean much in this league .

[NorthHawk]

I know, it's probably just a writer in search of a story, but the rumblings of Seattle being interested in Mayfield continue.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/ ... d-seahawks

I wouldn't put it past our FO to give up a draft choice and spend much of the existing Cap space for him now that Pete has seen how bad the current QB situation is here.
It seems that lately we've been the patsy in many of the trades we've made of late.

[c_hawkbob]

The Browns expressing their willingness to absorb 50%+ of Bakers contract made him a viable possibility for Seattle again, even via trade (Pete's insistence that we won't trade for another QB notwithstanding).

[Aseahawkfan]

The Browns expressing their willingness to absorb 50%+ of Bakers contract made him a viable possibility for Seattle again, even via trade (Pete's insistence that we won't trade for another QB notwithstanding).

Interesting.

[NorthHawk]

I think the best thing for the long term interests of the team is to play Lock/Geno and draft a QB next year when we will have a better pick.
But I don't think Pete could stand going through that type of season without trading for an upgrade at QB if one is available. That would mean
we would be in a weak trading position so we would have to give up a lot more than we should. I think that's the most probably outcome this year
and it means a lesser quality draft next year.

[Hawktawk]

This Mayfield story won’t die . I am on the fence . I think he’s a drama queen with a similar stature of Wilson without the physical tools . Is he even worth 10 million a year if it’s halved ? By the same token he had a year in 2020 almost identical to Russell minus the rushing yards the year we won the super bowl . He capped it with an impressive wild card win at Heinz field .I’m stunned they pulled the plug like that after one bad injured year . If Seattle brings him in it’s a another sign they plan to win now . I caught the Wyman interview with Mike Salk . Asked if it was rebuild he said “ if it is it was forced , I am certain of that . This wasn’t their idea “ he said he’s heard that one concern with Mayfield is the potential drama. Said they are enjoying the lack of drama in the QB room .

Maybe they are concerned enough about the talent to take on some drama I’m gonna trust them .

[NorthHawk]

I think it's as simple as Pete panics and then they make a bad trade. Adams is the shining example of that when we couldn't muster a pass rush and were on pace to be the worst ever NFL Defense.
What's he going to do when the Offense fails? I suspect he will again panic and pay far more than he should and mess up the rebuild for short term success.

[Hawktawk]

I think it's as simple as Pete panics and then they make a bad trade. Adams is the shining example of that when we couldn't muster a pass rush and were on pace to be the worst ever NFL Defense.
What's he going to do when the Offense fails? I suspect he will again panic and pay far more than he should and mess up the rebuild for short term success.

As you said when I shared a 2 day old video of Russ talking about going to a winning city. STOP!! ragging on Pete . Over and over and over . How much must we dissect Adams ? If he’s healthy Russel is gonna have a few snot bubbles Monday night .

Seattle won the second most games of the last ten years . It’s blasphemy to dump all the blame for upper end mediocrity the last 8 years on Carroll . Let’s see how the guys on the roster respond . I saw quotes from Noah Fant today “ this doesn’t look like a rebuild to me “

he should know coming from a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in 6 years going to one that’s missed twice in 10 years.

.Fant is a real wild card , perhaps the best player john swindled Denver out of . Maybe just chatter but Schneider said they had planned to take him in the first round when Denver drafted him . Meanwhile Russ is gonna fix Denver . Good luck Denver defense and O line .
You paid a kings ransom
for 6 more touchdowns and 1 less pick then bridgewater . And 1000 times the drama .

We’re gonna win the ten year debate .

Too much talent on the roster and in the coaches room to fail .