Drew Locke

[Hawktawk]

Ok we have beaten the Russell thing to death . We have beaten the could Geno actually start thing senseless . So let’s talk about Drew . I’m very intrigued by this guy . One huge college year in basically a one read offense . His rookie year he went 4-1 to end the year with a nice TD to interception rate . After the coaching change he’s been really pretty bad much of the time , 2011-2012 Geno bad . Last year he was benched for Teddy Bridgewater and started the last 3 games with an 0-3 record , 1 TD and no picks . I’ve gleaned a few tidbits and watched some film . Wyman says the word is he’s had problems picking up the playbook . Micheal Bumpus said “ he has one area he is equal to or better than Russ in . Arm strength . I’ve seen that guy throw it 20 or 30 yards on a frozen rope .”

Watching highlights ( there aren’t many ) he truly has the most powerful arm I’ve ever seen with an extremely tight spiral . He doesn’t do a lot of running but north south he’s formidable at 6’4” 250 with good speed

So I think about everything here . Schneider loved him in the draft and he picked another oddball guy lots of people thought couldn’t play .
Seattle somehow turned a guy with similar issues into a 68.5 % passer with 1 pick and 6 TDs in 13 quarters .
The offense Waldron runs is most similar to what Drew played in college and also his rookie year in Denver . Tyler Polumbus is a Denver area sports show host . He’s played both places . He’s not sure if Drew has it or not . He says he’s best with his back to the line of scrimmage going play action one read . He did say “ he has never had a coach like Pete Carroll “

Many talking heads are saying this will be the guy who starts for Seattle . I’ll say it once more and be done . If they fix his game like they fixed Genos we might be in the championship mix immediately .

[Aseahawkfan]

Geno went 1 and 2, so not sure why he is considered "fixed" other than he played the way Carroll likes backups to play: very conservative with a focus on no turnovers. If you needed Geno to step up and win a game throwing could he do it? I don't think so.

I don't know Drew Lock. He at least is intriguing because I know nothing about him. His stats are unimpressive. Never seen him play or at least it wasn't memorable if I did. At this point I'm expecting Geno to start and do a Tarvaris like job of being a placeholder QB.

I have zero confidence either of these guys puts us in championship contention. Defense isn't good enough to carry even an average QB at this point. Unless the run game can do the job against a stacked box next year, Geno and Drew will both need to throw a lot to back defenses off from stacking the box against our RBs. I don't think Drew or Geno can make opposing defenses respect their passing abilities.

I don't know where any analyst sees this defense as good at this point. I don't understand that at all. They were one of the worst ranked passing defenses. 28 yards allowed in 2021 and 31st in passing yards given up. Middle of the pack for rushing yards given up, but that's only because it was so easy to pass on the Seahawks. Why do you think this is changing next year? The only positive is they were 11th in points given up per game. Mainly because they were just getting ground down by teams with long scoring drives, so why bother running up the score if you can just score with 8 to 10 minute drives while leaving the opposing offense sitting on the bench.

So I don't think Drew Lock will do much. Looks like placeholder number 2 QB. I don't expect contention for the next few years. We have major holes in the defensive line and secondary. I would like to see one of these D-line guys show they can be a threat as a pass rusher. Mafe showing something out the gate or Taylor stepping up. I'd like to see one CB show some progress. If the safeties come back healthy and stay healthy, have some consistency on defense. I'm confident Brooks is ready to take over for Bobby. Not sure about the other backers. Defense is full of question marks and nowhere near ready to carry a mediocre offense. I hope the scheme change better utilizes the talent and Clint Hurtt is a defensive guru in training.

[Hawktawk]

9 of Genos 13 quarters were vs the Rams who he put 10 points 131 yards passing and 23 rushing in one quarter . Pittsburgh with possibly the best edge rusher in the league watt sacking him 5 times , tipping 3 balls he led scoring drives on 4 of our last 5 possessions s in got us to overtime on the road and advanced the ball near field goal range allowing for a second overtime possession where watt finally stopped him . Completed 72 % of his passes to 10 different receivers with a QBR of 103 in his first start in 5 years . The Saints who were his worst game but still a 65 yard laser to DK smoking Lattimore . Meyers missed 2 very makeable field goals in a 13 /10 loss . The Saints shut out Brady a couple weeks later . JAx held Buffalo to 6 points the week after we beat them 31-7 in a perfect game by Geno . The next game we got shut out with all the same players except 1 .

If he starts and plays similar to last year we win 10 minimum.

[Aseahawkfan]

9 of Genos 13 quarters were vs the Rams who he put 10 points 131 yards passing and 23 rushing in one quarter . Pittsburgh with possibly the best edge rusher in the league watt sacking him 5 times , tipping 3 balls he led scoring drives on 4 of our last 5 possessions s in got us to overtime on the road and advanced the ball near field goal range allowing for a second overtime possession where watt finally stopped him . Completed 72 % of his passes to 10 different receivers with a QBR of 103 in his first start in 5 years . The Saints who were his worst game but still a 65 yard laser to DK smoking Lattimore . Meyers missed 2 very makeable field goals in a 13 /10 loss . The Saints shut out Brady a couple weeks later . JAx held Buffalo to 6 points the week after we beat them 31-7 in a perfect game by Geno . The next game we got shut out with all the same players except 1 .

If he starts and plays similar to last year we win 10 minimum.

He went 1 and 2. Why don't you ever address this? You keep building up this idea he played great and even playing great he went 1 and 2 and could not lead the team to a win against the Rams in the 2nd half. So if you count that game, he went 1 and 3. Yet the way you frame his stats, you make it sound like we won when we didn't. If he plays like last year, we'll go 6 to 8 and 11 to 9 to losses. You keep talking up this 10 minimum if everything goes exactly right completely ignoring that nothing you list indicates that.

This defense was terrible last year. Terrible. Somehow you expect a defense that was 31st ranked in pass defense and 28 total yards with a miserable ToP to suddenly become a great defense? Why? What players you see making that happen? Scheme will not fix the problems. Talent trumps scheme. Where is the talent on defense?

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I see it more as Geno flashed better in his brief stint last season than he did compared to his career. He'll need all phases other phases of the game to be working well for him to succeed, in my opinion. I'm cautiously encouraged by what he did last season, but there's a far larger body of work that runs counter to what he showed last season.

[RiverDog]

First of all, would you please start spelling his last name correctly? It's Drew Lock, no 'e'. It's not that difficult of a name. One syllable, four letters.

Secondly, I'm hopeful as there is the chance that all he needed was the right environment, but I'm not holding my breath, either. He's had a horrible time with turnovers, and especially playing for a Pete Carroll-coached team, he's not going to get very far if he has problems with jersey identification. Considering that we are likely to have a lot of new blood on the OL, both him and Geno could have some major problems managing the rush.

I get the sense that Lock was simply a toss in for the Russell trade, so anything he contributes is frosting on the cake. Although Geno obviously has a leg up in the competition as he's already familiar with the offense and the personnel, he's more of a known quantity than Lock is. The big advantage Lock has is his age. At 32, Geno isn't our future. Lock is 7 years younger, so if he plays well, we might decide to hitch our wagon to him.

[Stream Hawk]

First of all, would you please start spelling his last name correctly? It's Drew Lock, no 'e'. It's not that difficult of a name. One syllable, four letters.

Secondly, I'm hopeful as there is the chance that all he needed was the right environment, but I'm not holding my breath, either. He's had a horrible time with turnovers, and especially playing for a Pete Carroll-coached team, he's not going to get very far if he has problems with jersey identification. Considering that we are likely to have a lot of new blood on the OL, both him and Geno could have some major problems managing the rush.

I get the sense that Lock was simply a toss in for the Russell trade, so anything he contributes is frosting on the cake. Although Geno obviously has a leg up in the competition as he's already familiar with the offense and the personnel, he's more of a known quantity than Lock is. The big advantage Lock has is his age. At 32, Geno isn't our future. Lock is 7 years younger, so if he plays well, we might decide to hitch our wagon to him.

This^. LOL it REALLY helps one’s argument when they correctly spell the subject’s name:) Also, it’s Penny, not Penney. Lose the E. Love your passion though, HT.
Geno is a career backup. I felt like he was the worst Hawk qb since ~Stan Gelbauugh following the Pittsburgh game. He is not a good pro qb. I am moderately intrigued by Lock. He likely was a throw in during the trade, but I can’t help but be excited by his potential.

[Aseahawkfan]

I see it more as Geno flashed better in his brief stint last season than he did compared to his career. He'll need all phases other phases of the game to be working well for him to succeed, in my opinion. I'm cautiously encouraged by what he did last season, but there's a far larger body of work that runs counter to what he showed last season.

Do you expect the defense to turn around? They were 28th yards allowed. 31st passing. And we all watched the terrible Time of possession as they were pushed around the field. Do you see some reason for a different expectation this year on defense? What are you thinking? Darryl Taylor suddenly blows up? Mafe is better out of the gate than usual draft picks? We didn't make any great ready to to free agent moves. So we're operating with a rookie O-line and our defense from last year absent Bobby. I'm not sure that's an upgrade to the overall defense even if Brooks can somewhat match HoFer Bobby's output at some point.

[Hawktawk]

I see it more as Geno flashed better in his brief stint last season than he did compared to his career. He'll need all phases other phases of the game to be working well for him to succeed, in my opinion. I'm cautiously encouraged by what he did last season, but there's a far larger body of work that runs counter to what he showed last season.

This here . Everybody knows Genos history . I found it borderline amazing he was able to beat his career completion % by ten points and post a 102 rating . His connection with DK was ridiculous .

Certain posters love pointing out the team went 1-2 in his starts . He didn’t play any backups like 35 million guy who went 1-3 against 4 of them while winning 6 games in 14 starts . But we’re bemoaning the loss of 6 win 35 million guy while a guy who completed 3.5 % higher completion rate playing some of the tougher defenses we faced sucked . Got it . Yeah it’s 13 quarters of starter quality play , nothing more and nothing less . If he starts and replicated it it’s 10 wins minimum .PC said yesterday in response to questions about Cam Newton” we are counting on Geno “ so it sounds like he is still leading the competition . I have no problem with it . At least he wants to be here .

[Hawktawk]

First of all, would you please start spelling his last name correctly? It's Drew Lock, no 'e'. It's not that difficult of a name. One syllable, four letters.

Secondly, I'm hopeful as there is the chance that all he needed was the right environment, but I'm not holding my breath, either. He's had a horrible time with turnovers, and especially playing for a Pete Carroll-coached team, he's not going to get very far if he has problems with jersey identification. Considering that we are likely to have a lot of new blood on the OL, both him and Geno could have some major problems managing the rush.

I get the sense that Lock was simply a toss in for the Russell trade, so anything he contributes is frosting on the cake. Although Geno obviously has a leg up in the competition as he's already familiar with the offense and the personnel, he's more of a known quantity than Lock is. The big advantage Lock has is his age. At 32, Geno isn't our future. Lock is 7 years younger, so if he plays well, we might decide to hitch our wagon to him.

Ok mr word police . How about we start with you getting my handle spelled correctly ? It’s HAWKTAWK. Not HAWKTALK. It’s been my handle 20 years and I have reminded you before . And who gives a good god damn how I spell his name ? I think we know who we are talking about you think ? And Fact is Geno didn’t have a problem with turnovers here . 1 pick when a receiver was tripped but still scored as many in 1 quarter as Russ the entire second game . A fumble in overtime . But if you watched the game it should have been 2 or 3. Dude has a strong grip . Plus getting hammered all night and completing 72% it was starter quality ball . 13 quarters . I get it . As for our future I believe Geno is 1 year younger than Russ with a fraction of the mileage . There were those on this forum advocating paying Russ 50 million a year . If Geno plays well he could start for several years .

[Hawktawk]

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First of all, would you please start spelling his last name correctly? It's Drew Lock, no 'e'. It's not that difficult of a name. One syllable, four letters.

Secondly, I'm hopeful as there is the chance that all he needed was the right environment, but I'm not holding my breath, either. He's had a horrible time with turnovers, and especially playing for a Pete Carroll-coached team, he's not going to get very far if he has problems with jersey identification. Considering that we are likely to have a lot of new blood on the OL, both him and Geno could have some major problems managing the rush.

I get the sense that Lock was simply a toss in for the Russell trade, so anything he contributes is frosting on the cake. Although Geno obviously has a leg up in the competition as he's already familiar with the offense and the personnel, he's more of a known quantity than Lock is. The big advantage Lock has is his age. At 32, Geno isn't our future. Lock is 7 years younger, so if he plays well, we might decide to hitch our wagon to him.
This^. LOL it REALLY helps one’s argument when they correctly spell the subject’s name:) Also, it’s Penny, not Penney. Lose the E. Love your passion though, HT.
Geno is a career backup. I felt like he was the worst Hawk qb since ~Stan Gelbauugh following the Pittsburgh game. He is not a good pro qb. I am moderately intrigued by Lock. He likely was a throw in during the trade, but I can’t help but be excited by his potential.

Watch Pittsburgh again . 72% completion with 3 tipped passes, led scoring drives on 4 of his last 5 drives in regulation , only 2 minute drive all year . Completed balls to 10 receivers . Despite Watt knocking the Sh@t out of him all night . 5 sacks and as many knockdowns in the first start in 5 years .

Just targeting DK 13 quarters he was 17-21 for 251 yards , 4 touchdowns and a 151 qbr for Geno . It’s a true insult to compare his performance here to Stan Gelbaugh.

[RiverDog]

First of all, would you please start spelling his last name correctly? It's Drew Lock, no 'e'. It's not that difficult of a name. One syllable, four letters.

Secondly, I'm hopeful as there is the chance that all he needed was the right environment, but I'm not holding my breath, either. He's had a horrible time with turnovers, and especially playing for a Pete Carroll-coached team, he's not going to get very far if he has problems with jersey identification. Considering that we are likely to have a lot of new blood on the OL, both him and Geno could have some major problems managing the rush.

I get the sense that Lock was simply a toss in for the Russell trade, so anything he contributes is frosting on the cake. Although Geno obviously has a leg up in the competition as he's already familiar with the offense and the personnel, he's more of a known quantity than Lock is. The big advantage Lock has is his age. At 32, Geno isn't our future. Lock is 7 years younger, so if he plays well, we might decide to hitch our wagon to him.

Ok mr word police . How about we start with you getting my handle spelled correctly ? It’s HAWKTAWK. Not HAWKTALK. It’s been my handle 20 years and I have reminded you before . And who gives a good god damn how I spell his name ? I think we know who we are talking about you think ? And Fact is Geno didn’t have a problem with turnovers here . 1 pick when a receiver was tripped but still scored as many in 1 quarter as Russ the entire second game . A fumble in overtime . But if you watched the game it should have been 2 or 3. Dude has a strong grip . Plus getting hammered all night and completing 72% it was starter quality ball . 13 quarters . I get it .

90% of the time, as I have in this reply, I cut/paste your handle or refer to you as HT, so it's not me that's doing the majority of the misspelling. But I get your point, so long as you get ours. It's not about word police, it's about attention to detail and getting things right. It's not like we're asking you to correctly spell Tuiasosopo or something. Their names are four and five letters long. It's a simple, polite request that was prefaced with a 'please.'

Secondly, I don't think it's inaccurate to say that Geno or Lock could have major problems dealing with the rush and protecting the football. They've both had a history of turnovers. It's going to be a major challenge for both of them. Rationalizing them or focusing on a very small sample size isn't going to render the problem moot, and I can guarantee you that it will be one of, if not the major focus of their competition for the job.

[Stream Hawk]

Maybe it was the New Orleans game. My bad, I just felt like he looked lost out there in all games except for Jacksonville.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Do you expect the defense to turn around? They were 28th yards allowed. 31st passing. And we all watched the terrible Time of possession as they were pushed around the field. Do you see some reason for a different expectation this year on defense? What are you thinking? Darryl Taylor suddenly blows up? Mafe is better out of the gate than usual draft picks? We didn't make any great ready to to free agent moves. So we're operating with a rookie O-line and our defense from last year absent Bobby. I'm not sure that's an upgrade to the overall defense even if Brooks can somewhat match HoFer Bobby's output at some point.

I’m not expecting really anything from the defense. I’m merely stating what it will take for Geno or Lock to succeed. The defense has a ways to go from last season. It could come together and be competitive, but that’s pretty much the story of this whole team. It could come together and be competitive and maybe even a winning record, but I won’t be surprised if it doesn’t.

[Hawktawk]

Maybe it was the New Orleans game. My bad, I just felt like he looked lost out there in all games except for Jacksonville.

New Orleans was his worst game . 60% completion %. Driving rainstorm against one of the filthiest defenses we faced all year , hall of fame coach . Still a TD beating Lattimore . To his credit Lattimore spent the day harrassing DK and getting in his head as he only caught one more ball . 2 missed field goals by Meyers .
As I say to deaf ears NO shut out Brady a few weeks later . JAx held one of my favorite QBs Josh Allen to 6 points a week after getting torched , sacked him 4 times . Pittsburgh led the league with 55 sacks .

I trust in 2021 Geno . If he becomes 2012 Geno not so much

[Stream Hawk]

At least you have faith! I see a burgeoning team and QB is one of the last pieces. Geno is not the final answer, at least not a SB-caliber QB.

Also, I'm disgusted by his DUI and horrific behavior during the arrest. A QB is a team leader, that was a pathetic display of immaturity. At least Drew Lock doesn't seem to have that behavior in him.

Plus I hear there are still murmurs of Baker.

[RiverDog]

At least you have faith! I see a burgeoning team and QB is one of the last pieces. Geno is not the final answer, at least not a SB-caliber QB.

Also, I'm disgusted by his DUI and horrific behavior during the arrest. A QB is a team leader, that was a pathetic display of immaturity. At least Drew Lock doesn't seem to have that behavior in him.

Plus I hear there are still murmurs of Baker.

Agreed about Geno. Getting tagged with a DUI is one thing, but his reported behavior is another. The fact that is judgment was impaired isn't an excuse, either, and we haven't heard any kind of apology or explanation after his "bare with me" tweet, which seemed to suggest that he'd eventually have some sort of a statement.

Mayfield is still a possibility, but I don't think we're trading anything higher than a Day 3 pick, or at least I hope not.

[Hawktawk]

At least you have faith! I see a burgeoning team and QB is one of the last pieces. Geno is not the final answer, at least not a SB-caliber QB.

Also, I'm disgusted by his DUI and horrific behavior during the arrest. A QB is a team leader, that was a pathetic display of immaturity. At least Drew Lock doesn't seem to have that behavior in him.

Plus I hear there are still murmurs of Baker.

The DUI is bothersome although I don’t think he’s had a history with law enforcement . I have also not heard anything about any resolution to the case although Pete said from the beginning he expects it to be resolved. I was surprised they brought him back and I think the only reason they did is they truly believe he could start for Seattle .

It’s 13 quarters . But a quarterback who completed 68.5% with a 5-1 touchdown to interception rate and a 102 rating can surely start . They could lead a solid team to a championship game . Goff and Garrapolo come to mind . Call him Elmer Fudd . Any qb with those numbers can start . They can come from behind as he did in his first start in 5 years . I think we were 17 down . Any qb who can do that is a problem for opposing defenses especially with the offensive firepower on this roster . So the question is does Geno revert back to who he was or stay who he is in Seattle . If he’s last year good he can start for some time . If he’s Jacksonville good we’re winning a super bowl with him .

[Hawktawk]

As for Baker I saw some film of his pervert replacement throwing a pick in shorts and tee shirts, missing passes . If I’m the browns I’d be hanging on to Mayfield . Regardless I’m going to trust Pete like I did in 2012 when he picked a runt of the litter over a 20 million dollar signee. He will choose the right guy to win now . Pete freakin Carroll ain’t trading Wilson at 70 to start all over . This year is where dominating a power 5 conference for most of a decade is gonna really help . We’re beating Denver and then we will see what’s up .

[Aseahawkfan]

As for Baker I saw some film of his pervert replacement throwing a pick in shorts and tee shirts, missing passes . If I’m the browns I’d be hanging on to Mayfield . Regardless I’m going to trust Pete like I did in 2012 when he picked a runt of the litter over a 20 million dollar signee. He will choose the right guy to win now . Pete freakin Carroll ain’t trading Wilson at 70 to start all over . This year is where dominating a power 5 conference for most of a decade is gonna really help . We’re beating Denver and then we will see what’s up .

I don't honestly think Carroll considers his age much. He would probably make most of us on here look older than him if we were around him. That dude may be 70, but he sure don't act like it. I hope I have half his manic, crazy energy at 70.

Carroll may be setting up Hurtt to replace him, putting his money where his mouth is as far as developing and mentoring a minority head coach. He seems to have picked a good candidate willing to give it everything he has to step up and replace Pete. But I think Pete will likely finish his contract unless we get decimated this year and he just feels there's nowhere left to go but out. I think a lot of Pete's enthusiasm will depend on how this first year of the rebuild goes. If Pete and John have drafted well, rebuild won't take too long. Only took Carroll and John 3 years last time to be back in contention and 4 years to win a Super Bowl. Not like Pete takes a long time to rebuild, so not sure why his age matters. We're not competing this year and that I know for absolute certainty.

If things go like last time, we can be competing by 2024 if they can get the QB situation figured out and rebuild the defense and run game.