Did we have the worst offseason...

[c_hawkbob]

In the entire NFL? ESPN thinks so (and I think I agree):

‘They could’ve kept Wilson and fired Carroll’ - ESPN ranks Seahawks offseason as NFL’s worst

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2022/5/26/23 ... -nfl-worst

[jshawaii22]

If you're only looking at which teams had a + or - offseason for THIS one coming year, then we probably did. Come back and ask me that in 4 years after we draft next years extra #1 and #2 and see how the extra players help us going forward.

For this coming year, we can tank. (and yes, 100%, I think we are going to tank as there's no other reason we wouldn't have tried to bring in a better QB to 'compete' and I think that's the BEST move of the offseason so far.) We need 3-5 wins max and we'll get one of the top 3 QB's coming out, which is the plan, or should be.

[RiverDog]

Since I didn't follow all 32 team's offseasons that closely, it's pretty hard for me to give a good answer to the question posed in the thread title.

However, seeing what the Browns did, it's hard for me to imagine any other team having had a worse offseason, including the Hawks.

[NorthHawk]

The Browns had a net increase in talent at the most important position in football.
We had a significant loss at that position.

Longer term with that salary structure they might be in trouble, but at the moment we’re worse off.

[Aseahawkfan]

Maybe? It will very much depend on how our draft picks work out and the Russell Wilson trade. Trading away your franchise QB while there is still a lot of tread on the tire is a very unprecedented move I can't recall a team doing. I've seen teams let their franchise QB go when he is truly old and done or has a few years left like when Frisco let Montana walk and Indy let Peyton walk, but I haven't really seen the franchise QB trade while the guy is still going strong. Usually, they just do like Bill B did with Brady and rebuild the team around the QB rather than trade the QB.

Like most of these transactions, it will depend on how it works out and is hard to determine when it initially happens.

[Hawktawk]

Hell no. Bring it on . We had a top 3 draft . We aren’t bringing in another QB because we saw there was nobody available that could help more that wasn’t out of reach or named Mayfield . Our players are better then some think including many nice pieces of our defense already in place and excellent skill people . DK was named a top player under 25.

Our departed qb was slipping mentally more than physically but that some too . Lost to backups and had no relationship with the team as a leader in the end , simply an audition for Denver . “ checked out “ 0-5 as a team in field goal games . Russ was a distraction .

Everyone but me and that coaching staff and the guys still in that locker room underestimate this greatly . Hugely . Media , all of you all.
10-7 minimum starting with smashing a certain diminutive donkey on sept 12.
You people greatly underestimate John and Pete .

[Aseahawkfan]

The Browns had a net increase in talent at the most important position in football.
We had a significant loss at that position.

Longer term with that salary structure they might be in trouble, but at the moment we’re worse off.

I don't know. That Deshaun Watson trade is pretty damn risky. Sure, he's a great QB. But those off the field issues are just creepy and weird. Time bomb waiting to explode imo.

Deshaun Watson is what a real locker room threat looks like at the QB position.

I guess we'll see if he can keep himself clean or we start seeing Cleveland massage parlor workers coming out with claims.

[RiverDog]

The Browns had a net increase in talent at the most important position in football.
We had a significant loss at that position.

Longer term with that salary structure they might be in trouble, but at the moment we’re worse off.

I don't know. That Deshaun Watson trade is pretty damn risky. Sure, he's a great QB. But those off the field issues are just creepy and weird. Time bomb waiting to explode imo.

Deshaun Watson is what a real locker room threat looks like at the QB position.

I guess we'll see if he can keep himself clean or we start seeing Cleveland massage parlor workers coming out with claims.

I don't know, either. Watson sat out an entire season. Can he jump back in the saddle of a new horse and take off on a gallop? Michael Vick, a QB with many of the same quarterbacking attributes shared by Watson, was never the same QB when he returned from an extended layoff. Plus there's a looming suspension that's hanging over Watson's head.

When you consider that they still have Baker Mayfield on the payroll at $18M and that they traded a boat load of picks for a QB that hasn't played in an NFL game for 18 months and is facing the likelihood of a 4+ game suspension, the Browns move is by far is the riskiest deal of the offseason, and I have a feeling that it's going to end badly for them. After all, they are the Browns.

[RiverDog]

This power ranking has us at #28, ahead of 3 teams, the Bears, Panthers, and Falcons. Ironically, two of those three appear on our schedule this season:

https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-power-rankin ... tems...%20

That falls in line with all of the rankings I've seen this offseason. They all have us ranked in the upper 20's.

Regardless of your personal outlook on our team's chances, you can't blame the media for ranking us as low as they have. Our starting quarterback is gone, our offensive line has a lot of new blood, our pathetic defense hasn't made any significant additions, our running backs spend more time in the hot tub than they do on the playing field, we play in a division that features the two teams that played for the conference championship, and we play the AFC West, regarded by many of not most to be the strongest division in the league.

[Hawktawk]

The Browns had a net increase in talent at the most important position in football.
We had a significant loss at that position.

Longer term with that salary structure they might be in trouble, but at the moment we’re worse off.

I don't know. That Deshaun Watson trade is pretty damn risky. Sure, he's a great QB. But those off the field issues are just creepy and weird. Time bomb waiting to explode imo.

Deshaun Watson is what a real locker room threat looks like at the QB position.

I guess we'll see if he can keep himself clean or we start seeing Cleveland massage parlor workers coming out with claims.[/quote]
This here^^^ I was stunned with the deal and the compensation including guaranteed money . Guys like this don’t change . If it’s an allegation here and there it’s one thing . This is a way of life . I think the Browns may see this backfire badly .

[Hawktawk]

This power ranking has us at #28, ahead of 3 teams, the Bears, Panthers, and Falcons. Ironically, two of those three appear on our schedule this season:

https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-power-rankin ... tems...%20

That falls in line with all of the rankings I've seen this offseason. They all have us ranked in the upper 20's.

Regardless of your personal outlook on our team's chances, you can't blame the media for ranking us as low as they have. Our starting quarterback is gone, our offensive line has a lot of new blood, our pathetic defense hasn't made any significant additions, our running backs spend more time in the hot tub than they do on the playing field, we play in a division that features the two teams that played for the conference championship, and we play the AFC West, regarded by many of not most to be the strongest division in the league.

The things I see sportswriters saying about Seattle , particularly Wilson and the terrible loss he represents haven’t watched the games lately . I’ve thrown out stat after stat on deaf ears . I’ll try saying it one more way and be done with it . Seattle scored 27 points on the world champions this season . An average of 13.5 points per game . Geno Smith scored 10 of them in one quarter and a presumably Healthy Russ put up 17 in 7 quarters . This isn’t a start Geno rant. He could be named Joe Blow. A career journeyman backup looked better than Russ against the world champions .
It’s not that big a loss at this stage of his career . Bobby was also slipping and not worth the salary . The interior defense will improve when Wyman had called him a finesse linebacker . Great hawk. Our draft is sick . Minus Russ this team us gonna be 2012. If we can just get solid qb play from whoever we’re gonna make the pundits look like fools .

[NorthHawk]

Actually that was me that said that, HT. I was talking about this year. We've lost talent and they've gained talent.

What the Browns are doing looks risky, but maybe a couple of paths they are traveling might be that:

1) They are pushing all their chips into the middle for a run at the Super Bowl this year or next then have a big fire sale much like we've seen in Baseball.
2) They are expecting the Salary Cap to increase by $50M or more in the next few years which would make Watson's salary more manageable within the Cap.

[Old but Slow]

Part of the problem with rankings is that according to the rest of the world we are the team from South Alaska who just traded away our only good player. Metcalf is good but only here until a good team gets him, 'cause who wants to live where everybody wears plaid shirts and wool socks/sandals. And it rains all the time. And its grungy.

And so it goes.

[Hawktawk]

Actually that was me that said that, HT. I was talking about this year. We've lost talent and they've gained talent.

What the Browns are doing looks risky, but maybe a couple of paths they are traveling might be that:

1) They are pushing all their chips into the middle for a run at the Super Bowl this year or next then have a big fire sale much like we've seen in Baseball.
2) They are expecting the Salary Cap to increase by $50M or more in the next few years which would make Watson's salary more manageable within the Cap.

My 2 problems with trading for Watson were obviously the sexual allegations , over 20
Independent claims . I saw an interview with one of the complainants she said Cleveland gave them all a big F you with the contract . Another issue I had with Watson is the same one I have with Wilson , Rodgers and anyone else holding their team hostage . And Watson is young to be doing it . Look out Cleveland better keep him happy . Ill be curious if all this negative pub and a year off affects his game . One other question is what has he done. ? Dynamic with great personal numbers in the regular season but what has he got ? 2 playoff wins ?

NH I’m praying Pete and john can figure out a way to devalue the position and financial commitment and still win . Otherwise it’s a snowball rolling downhill in the whole league .

[I-5]

I've been a Wilson supporter for years, and I was just as shocked with the trade as anyone, however I saw the writing on the wall when his agent put out that trade list last year. Because of that, I see this offseason as getting max trade value for an elite QB on the beginning of the downside of his career. Even though had problems with his finger last year, I thought he didn't seem into it all year, until maybe the very last game. Remains to be seen how this year's rookies will do, but so far I've been impressed with the talent, and we have 4 more high picks next year. If we had kept Wilson, we'd be even less successful after signing him to a soon to be $50m contract (which he deserves if other QB's are going to get it). I'd rather it be Denver's issue to solve now, not ours.

[Hawktawk]

Yes I5 this was never going to improve . I love the capital we got in return . We may never have as dynamic a qb again but it was irrevocably broken.

[NorthHawk]

I've been a Wilson supporter for years, and I was just as shocked with the trade as anyone, however I saw the writing on the wall when his agent put out that trade list last year. Because of that, I see this offseason as getting max trade value for an elite QB on the beginning of the downside of his career. Even though had problems with his finger last year, I thought he didn't seem into it all year, until maybe the very last game. Remains to be seen how this year's rookies will do, but so far I've been impressed with the talent, and we have 4 more high picks next year. If we had kept Wilson, we'd be even less successful after signing him to a soon to be $50m contract (which he deserves if other QB's are going to get it). I'd rather it be Denver's issue to solve now, not ours.

I think that we were in a position Cap wise that players were more willing to come here then than they are now that Wilson is gone.
I'm thinking that we will have to overpay FA's to come here because they don't see a future where we can contend for a Super Bowl. Even then, many won't sign here because they are making good money elsewhere.
Basically it's more than just losing one of the best QBs in the league, it now includes a perception of a team that's rebuilding and will have to take a step back for a few years while doing so. The top FAs are looking
to get to, and having a chance to win the SB so a few more million isn't as important as it once was. So paying $50M in a soon to be $250- $275M Cap isn't as bad as it seems.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think that we were in a position Cap wise that players were more willing to come here then than they are now that Wilson is gone.
I'm thinking that we will have to overpay FA's to come here because they don't see a future where we can contend for a Super Bowl. Even then, many won't sign here because they are making good money elsewhere.
Basically it's more than just losing one of the best QBs in the league, it now includes a perception of a team that's rebuilding and will have to take a step back for a few years while doing so. The top FAs are looking
to get to, and having a chance to win the SB so a few more million isn't as important as it once was. So paying $50M in a soon to be $250- $275M Cap isn't as bad as it seems.

As much as I like Wilson, I think we lost the cheaper FAs when we lost the 2nd Super Bowl and the defense fell apart. This was a destination after that first dominating Super Bowl win. But after losing in the spectacularly stupid Super Bowl call we lost a lot of our luster. It was like going to the mountain top, almost staying there, then tripping and falling off the top of the mountain in front of everyone and looking like a bunch of idiots.

That Super Bowl loss was devastating to the internal psychology of the team and the external psychology of free agents looking at us as a real contender. I can see why Pete Carroll said he woke up and cried after that loss. I sat and contemplated that loss and it was way worse for the players and coaches. You were 1 yard away from a likely second Super Bowl victory that you had earned even with the glaring injuries that even allowed New England to get back into it. You had a thousand better play calls than the one called with personnel that were far better to execute it. Somehow you pick the one play with a high chance of failure and you get not just failure, but the worst possible outcome. And you can't go back and change it. All that work to get to that point with the game in the bag and a bad play call screws it up. You could just see the slow descent into entropy, division, and for some madness after that play call.

I can't imagine many free agents wanted to come here cheap to be part of the unraveling process that happens when a team experiences that kind of loss. That kind of loss is devastating on so many levels. I know I'm speculating, but I believe that loss was the turning point that sent us to where we are now. And we've just been watching it play out slowly since 2014 as everything Carroll built up unraveled and he only now finally said, "I have to let it go and start over."

[Hawktawk]

As much as I like Wilson, I think we lost the cheaper FAs when we lost the 2nd Super Bowl and the defense fell apart. This was a destination after that first dominating Super Bowl win. But after losing in the spectacularly stupid Super Bowl call we lost a lot of our luster. It was like going to the mountain top, almost staying there, then tripping and falling off the top of the mountain in front of everyone and looking like a bunch of idiots.

That Super Bowl loss was devastating to the internal psychology of the team and the external psychology of free agents looking at us as a real contender. I can see why Pete Carroll said he woke up and cried after that loss. I sat and contemplated that loss and it was way worse for the players and coaches. You were 1 yard away from a likely second Super Bowl victory that you had earned even with the glaring injuries that even allowed New England to get back into it. You had a thousand better play calls than the one called with personnel that were far better to execute it. Somehow you pick the one play with a high chance of failure and you get not just failure, but the worst possible outcome. And you can't go back and change it. All that work to get to that point with the game in the bag and a bad play call screws it up. You could just see the slow descent into entropy, division, and for some madness after that play call.

I can't imagine many free agents wanted to come here cheap to be part of the unraveling process that happens when a team experiences that kind of loss. That kind of loss is devastating on so many levels. I know I'm speculating, but I believe that loss was the turning point that sent us to where we are now. And we've just been watching it play out slowly since 2014 as everything Carroll built up unraveled and he only now finally said, "I have to let it go and start over."[/quote]

I agree with all of this . It was the death knell of a certain dynasty . We just didn’t know it . I suspected it at the time but whistled in the graveyard like everyone else . Although his stats blew up a few years later I don’t think Russ has ever got over it and how the hell could anyone ? Maybe it was the beginning of the mistrust between the 2 men . I think it’s truly remarkable that they won as many games as they did over the next 7 years . A testament to the coach and the great Wilson and a team that was better than the parts . I agree with River we should have won many with that defense , that quarterback and the nastiest bell cow back short of Earl Campbell and it’s close . I blame the yard we didn’t get . It’s on Bevell and Pete and Russ who ultimately threw the ball a bit off target and didn’t identify Butler pre snap . Lynch gave an interview where he said the attitude in the huddle when the call came in was “confusion “ . He said Russ asked if he should change the play . After the pick he said he just laughed at PC and said WTF . He said he consumed several fifths of Hennessy .

It still makes me sick to think of it and we will see it super bowl week every god damn year till I die . But we will also see beast quake when our boy goes in first ballot and I saw that from camera angle with my 13 year old son . Still my only playoff game live . And so it goes . GO HAWKS

[NorthHawk]

Looking back it was the turning point, but a top QB draws FA talent and considering we were mentioned by FAs as a desirable
location because we had a chance to win or maybe go deep into the playoffs we were in the hunt for the best ones.
Unfortunately JS rarely if ever went after top talent and thought bottom feeding was a better idea. It turned out to be
a part of the decline in overall talent.
Now that Wilson is gone,there’s even less reason for good FAs to want to come here.
So we have to build through the draft or via strategic trades.

[Stream Hawk]

Just answering the thread question (ignoring the probable HT versus ASea drama;) No we did not have the worst off-season. Not even close. I personally think it was bad a$$ how the draft went. Building from the trenches is what builds championships. Sure, on paper, we will likely lose more games at first without Russell. But most fans know that that team was on status quo and was going nowhere.

Teams with the “worst off Season” set back their team to a downward to trend for many seasons after. It’s the opposite here.

[Hawktawk]

Just answering the thread question (ignoring the probable HT versus ASea drama;) No we did not have the worst off-season. Not even close. I personally think it was bad a$$ how the draft went. Building from the trenches is what builds championships. Sure, on paper, we will likely lose more games at first without Russell. But most fans know that that team was on status quo and was going nowhere.

Teams with the “worst off Season” set back their team to a downward to trend for many seasons after. It’s the opposite here.

Completely agree . It’s no 5 win team . 10 minimum

[Aseahawkfan]

Looking back it was the turning point, but a top QB draws FA talent and considering we were mentioned by FAs as a desirable
location because we had a chance to win or maybe go deep into the playoffs we were in the hunt for the best ones.
Unfortunately JS rarely if ever went after top talent and thought bottom feeding was a better idea. It turned out to be
a part of the decline in overall talent.
Now that Wilson is gone,there’s even less reason for good FAs to want to come here.
So we have to build through the draft or via strategic trades.

They weren't coming here anyway. Clowney didn't want to re-sign. We had to trade two first round picks for a strong safety who isn't great in coverage. No one is giving us breaks. I expect DK to charge us as much as possible to retain him unless we show some progress with the draft picks next year.

[NorthHawk]

Clowney was near the end when everyone could see the lack of talent and small chance of going deep into the playoffs.
Actually playing here probably cemented that view from him and I suspect was one of the reasons he wanted a big contract to stay then
settled for less with the Titans.

[Hawktawk]

Clowney didn’t get a lot of sacks here but was extremely disruptive in Seattle . The thing to keep in mind is we were drafting late and paying superstars huge deals . I’ve heard analysts say we should have signed Clark and traded Bobby in his prime . That would have been a huge haul but this organization has rewarded their own . I feel our FO has done what they could , brought in FA linemen , explosive offensive weapons although they didn’t move the needle other than Harvin in the super bowl . I think the worm has turned with this top 3 draft loaded with blue chip guys from big time conferences . Some will start and improve on a team that went 0-5 in 3 point or less games . We weren’t far off , swept the NFC title game losers who KOd Aaron. Our scoring defense was 21 points per game , not good but not horrible and I anticipate a serious improvement over last years squad . Adams has been beat to death but he’s still an explosive player whose coverage skills have improved . He was playing his best and it was showing up
Before he got hurt . I think Hurrt will have a Wilson package for him week one . We might be surprised .

Biggest question mark is QB obviously . If it’s steady and efficient we win 10. If it’s a breakout year for whoever is behind center we can challenge for the conference . We have formidable weapons including now Fant and Walker . Nobody talks about Eskridge but he was turning it up a little .

If the QB plays bad we are gonna lose 9 or 10 but it’s still ridiculous to say we had the worst offseason .

[NorthHawk]

Drafting late is just an excuse. Teams are built in the middle rounds of the draft. We haven't had good value in the middle rounds for years for the most part.
Besides, we traded our 1st round picks a number of times with middling results.
We were far off - actually a QB away from a disastrous showing.

[RiverDog]

Completely agree . It’s no 5 win team . 10 minimum

A minimum of 10 wins? Wow.

The over/under on us is, or was, 5.5 wins. IMO I don't think we'll finish under that line and would take the 'over' number as I think it's a good bet, but I wouldn't bet a dime that we'll win 10+.

[Hawktawk]

It’s my bet .10 minimum

[Aseahawkfan]

It’s my bet .10 minimum

If you're that sure, put your money where your mouth is. No one is picking us for 10 plus wins. Be easy money on your part since this is the minimum.

[RiverDog]

It’s my bet .10 minimum

By setting 10 wins as your minimum, you're essentially saying that the midpoint, or our over/under, is around 12. The top over/under in the entire league is just 11.5 wins. The defending SB champion Rams' over/under is just 10.5 wins. You're essentially saying that we're not only SB contenders, but favorites to win the Lombardi.

I can appreciate your enthusiasm, but there's no doubt that you're expectations are way over what even the most optimistic fan would project, and I simply don't see the basis for it.

Like you said, it's your bet. But please don't take up ASF on his challenge. It would be very, very unwise. Like my old man used to say, a fool and their money are soon parted.

[c_hawkbob]

It’s my bet .10 minimum

I'll take some of that. I've got Paypal, we get to our tenth win I send you $100, we get to 8 losses you send it to me. Waddayasay? If you don't like that we can do it for a bottle of Double Oaked Woodford Reserve on my end vs a similarly priced bottle of whatever you'll have.

[Hawktawk]

I only bet my reputation, not money . The crow will be the thing I’m gambling over .
If we get solid play from our qb we’re winning 10. And I never bet against my team . I feel really good and with the schedule and Vegas making donkos and let’s ride a 3.5 fave opening night answers will be coming soon . It might flip the script for both teams immediately . It took a while to get a feel for it but I really like this matchup opening night . Perfect

[RiverDog]

I only bet my reputation, not money . The crow will be the thing I’m gambling over .
If we get solid play from our qb we’re winning 10. And I never bet against my team . I feel really good and with the schedule and Vegas making donkos and let’s ride a 3.5 fave opening night answers will be coming soon . It might flip the script for both teams immediately . It took a while to get a feel for it but I really like this matchup opening night . Perfect

I quite frequently will bet against the Hawks. The way I look at it, it's a win-win. If I bet against us to win, it's because I don't expect us to, so if we win, I'm usually so elated that I don't care that I lost $50 or so, and if we lose, I get a nice little consolation prize. The secret is not to bet a large amount, never more than $100.

[Hawktawk]

I was in a poker game with coeds and beer many years ago . 2 nights . Lost 500 playing high low Chicago quarter raise . Next night I won it all back . The following morning I was the only survivor in a head on collision .
I’ve never gambled a dime other than a very occasional lottery ticket since .

I don’t bet against or pick against my team even for fun . Lots of years with Flores and Holmgren at the end I knew I was whistling in the graveyard but it’s not how I feel this year . Greg Olsen said he didn’t feel it was as much a personell issue as schematic issues when he was here . I look at the roster including the rookie class I think there’s the making of a very good team . Biggest question mark is Quarterback just like a year ago . But we are not ever going to replace Wilson . We don’t have to . If we have consistent solid play at the position it’s better than last year .

[RiverDog]

I was in a poker game with coeds and beer many years ago . 2 nights . Lost 500 playing high low Chicago quarter raise . Next night I won it all back . The following morning I was the only survivor in a head on collision. I’ve never gambled a dime other than a very occasional lottery ticket since.

I don’t bet against or pick against my team even for fun . Lots of years with Flores and Holmgren at the end I knew I was whistling in the graveyard but it’s not how I feel this year . Greg Olsen said he didn’t feel it was as much a personell issue as schematic issues when he was here . I look at the roster including the rookie class I think there’s the making of a very good team . Biggest question mark is Quarterback just like a year ago . But we are not ever going to replace Wilson . We don’t have to . If we have consistent solid play at the position it’s better than last year .

Wow, scary story. We once had an employee of ours that ran up a huge gambling debt and when her kids wouldn't help her pay it off, she committed suicide. We had another employee that was a very heavy gambler and was last seen leaving a casino. They found a shoe of his near a boat ramp on the Columbia River, but his body was never found.

The problem with forecasting wins this time of year is that we have a tendency to look at our team in a vacuum without regard to what's going on with the other teams in the league. Many of them have "the making of a very good team", too.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'll take some of that. I've got Paypal, we get to our tenth win I send you $100, we get to 8 losses you send it to me. Waddayasay? If you don't like that we can do it for a bottle of Double Oaked Woodford Reserve on my end vs a similarly priced bottle of whatever you'll have.

C-bob can't pass up that easy cash.

[c_hawkbob]

I'll take some of that. I've got Paypal, we get to our tenth win I send you $100, we get to 8 losses you send it to me. Waddayasay? If you don't like that we can do it for a bottle of Double Oaked Woodford Reserve on my end vs a similarly priced bottle of whatever you'll have.

C-bob can't pass up that easy cash.

Yup, in a nutshell.

[Aseahawkfan]

Rumor Kupp extended 3 years for 80 million. We're gonna have to pay big for DK.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34060696/sources-cooper-kupp-los-angeles-rams-reach-3-year-80m-extension

That will be a lot of money tied up at the receiver position.

[RiverDog]

Rumor Kupp extended 3 years for 80 million. We're gonna have to pay big for DK.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34060696/sources-cooper-kupp-los-angeles-rams-reach-3-year-80m-extension

That will be a lot of money tied up at the receiver position.

And $75M guaranteed.

Additionally, Kupp's guaranteed amount is less than $3M more than the next highest, Tyreek Hill at $72.2M, and Devonte Adams at $70M. That's not a huge difference when you consider that Kupp turned in what was arguably the best season ever for a WR, winning receiving's triple crown (receptions, yards, and TD's) and was one of the few WR's to win the SB MVP. He clearly could have gotten more.

So yeah, Metcalf is going to cost us a fortune. When you include Lockett's $17.2M average salary, we're going to have the most money tied up at the WR position in the league if we sign Metcalf. That's one of the reasons why I've been arguing that we should have traded Metcalf. It's insane to pay that much money at the WR position for a team that's in a rebuild mode.

[Hawktawk]

If we trade him we’re rebuilding . If we sign him we’re planning to compete . It’s the canary in a coal mine . Anything’s possible , we could be terrible with him or decent without him but the odds go way down . This Kupp contract is eye popping .