Russell Wilson trade results thus far

[obiken]

I completely agree with this. Which means he should get the credit if it’s successful. And when defenses figure it out and it’s not successful?

NFL defenses are like Law Enforcement I-5, totally reactive not proactive, by the time they figure it out, he will have at least 11 games in the bag.

[I-5]

NFL defenses are like Law Enforcement I-5, totally reactive not proactive, by the time they figure it out, he will have at least 11 games in the bag.

Ha. I appreciate the analogy, but I think NFL Defensive Coordinators possibly react faster. I don’t think it takes 11 games to figure out how to attack an offense.

[Hawktawk]

I think Russell Wilson designing his own offense including a wide open passing attack it will be a disaster . Just a hunch . If a hall of fame coach with over 30 years experience got run over by Russel good luck to Hackett . Couldn’t even criticize game losing mistakes without getting popped back on. Forced his way on the field with an injured throwing hand .

Yes good luck Mr Hackett. Never been a head coach . Tail wagging the dog . Russels boy . I could be completely wrong but we will know soon .

[Hawktawk]

I wanted Russ to stay and recapture the magic. My question for the keep Russel camp is how to you explain all the 3 and outs? Not taking check downs? Throwing into double coverage on deep balls when there was no need? Dismal playoff performances? I won’t give a $35 million QB a pass on those things; that doesn’t get all pinned out n the team and the coaching staff. I’ll say it again, he’s lost something or thinks his way is the best way despite teams taking it away from him. I will not be surprised if he comes up short in Denver. His game has to change and become comprehensive or he won’t win anything big again. And I’m talking about moving the chains, making those 3rd down completions, and letting the big shots come to him as opposed to forcing them.

Love this . After the season i was ready to bring everyone back as the offense had looked excellent . But you describe exactly my observations . Poor play in the postseason . Ignoring chain moving throws to load up deep balls . Of all the things Russ was , dynamic ,elusive , creative , huge accurate arm it was always the clutch gene that stood out . 3 chances to win at the end last year lost them all in the manner you describe . My way or the hiway forget what the defense is taking away .
That’s what “ the film doesn’t match the stats “ means .

[Aseahawkfan]

I wanted Russ to stay and recapture the magic. My question for the keep Russel camp is how to you explain all the 3 and outs? Not taking check downs? Throwing into double coverage on deep balls when there was no need? Dismal playoff performances? I won’t give a $35 million QB a pass on those things; that doesn’t get all pinned out n the team and the coaching staff. I’ll say it again, he’s lost something or thinks his way is the best way despite teams taking it away from him. I will not be surprised if he comes up short in Denver. His game has to change and become comprehensive or he won’t win anything big again. And I’m talking about moving the chains, making those 3rd down completions, and letting the big shots come to him as opposed to forcing them.

My answer is the same as always. Mahomes, Rodgers, and every great QB makes big money, they don't seem to make those throws either. Seem to fail more often than not. All seem to have QB statistics around what Russ has. Don't go to the Super Bowl every year. Don't win it all. And need good teams around them to be great.

Fix the other problems around Russ like the defense and run game being unable to produce consistently, then it would be easier to see if Russ was the issue.

I watched us let Frank Clark walk, the last double digit Seahawks pass rusher in 2018. Jarran Reed gone. Go through CBs because none were really working out. Not even sure of all the safeties we've used since Earl and Kam left. Draft guys like Malik McDowell who didn't even take the field. LJ Collier who hasn't done jack squat. Rashaad Penny who has just now become a six game superstar in his 4th year. Churn through O-lineman like the Seahawks are changing underwear. About the only constant we still had on defense we Bobby Wagner and on offense Russell Wilson.

When I look at this team, sure, I see Russell making mistakes like I see every QB make mistakes whether they are great or not. But I also see a team that has lost talent it hasn't adequately replaced with a lot of failed draft picks and trades at key positions. We haven't had a great CB since Sherm left. Our safeties I barely know at this point. Some serviceable journeymen that I barely remember. I remember Jamal Adams more because of his sack numbers and the trade than his play at safety. Wagner has been racking up tackles, but he's gone now. Jadeveon Clowney had some impactful games here and there, but nowhere near the sack numbers expected of a player of his caliber. And Chris Carson grinds out some good games, gets hurt at key times, then we end up entering the playoffs hobbled or signing Lynch off the bench to come in for a handful of games.

Though Russell's play may be degrading, it's super hard for me to tell when the rest of the team around him is degrading faster and isn't being replaced by effective young talent that is keeping us competitive. That reality has nothing to do with Russ.

The D-line has probably been the worst with a bunch of draft picks at DE that have just been absolutely terrible. LJ Collier. Malik McDowell. Darryl Taylor seems to be developing into a decent rotational player. The CBs we drafted I can barely remember. Have any of them had a good interception year since Sherm left?

For me, I see more failure by Pete and John than any other factor on the team. A failure to draft and develop effective replacement talent on both sides of the ball at key positions. To me that is the bigger reason why we finally missed the playoffs and haven't been advancing.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

It's not lost on me that the team has had its short comings. I don't put it all on Wilson, but as the quarterback he touches the ball more than anybody.

Ultimately, if they thought they wouldn't see eye-to-eye anymore, then they'd get more now than they would after another season. Rather that than to miss the playoffs or an early playoff exit with him under center and then poor or no compensation when he leaves.

[NorthHawk]

It's not lost on me that the team has had its short comings. I don't put it all on Wilson, but as the quarterback he touches the ball more than anybody.

Ultimately, if they thought they wouldn't see eye-to-eye anymore, then they'd get more now than they would after another season. Rather that than to miss the playoffs or an early playoff exit with him under center and then poor or no compensation when he leaves.

Basically the same way I look at it.
They had different agendas as to how to get back to the SB. Something had to give.

[RiverDog]

It's not lost on me that the team has had its short comings. I don't put it all on Wilson, but as the quarterback he touches the ball more than anybody.

Ultimately, if they thought they wouldn't see eye-to-eye anymore, then they'd get more now than they would after another season. Rather that than to miss the playoffs or an early playoff exit with him under center and then poor or no compensation when he leaves.

Agreed 100%. When the rumors started to circulate last season, I said that if he wasn't going to sign an extension with us, that we'd be better off pulling the trigger on a trade while we could get some serious compensation.

[Old but Slow]

It is hard for me to see the crying, moaning, and gnashing of teeth over Russell, PC/JS, Jodie, and so on, and on, and on. It is history, done, fait accompli, and no going back. We can't change it now, and there is little point in rehashing.

It is time to look forward to what we can put together (could I have been a politician, or what?). We had a good draft. Probably we would have been better if we had kept Russ for this year, but losing him opens the door for something different. Which is better? Who knows? Give it a couple years and we can look at it with clearer eyes.

Perhaps we can look forward to a balanced attack on offense, with a blend of runs and strategic passing that maintains drives and controls time of possession. That, with an improved defense (new coaches), could bring us back into the competitive picture. No superstar QB. That is understood, but there are 32 teams in the league, and only a handful of top quarterbacks. If we fail to find one in the next few drafts, we can still field a strong contender.

As someone said, it is not whether the glass is half empty or half full, the point is that it is refillable. We have promising looking fat guys. Sis should be happy. Both lines can be very good in time. The young OL trio will develop, and the defensive front is the strength of that side of the ball.

For me? I'm looking forward to another football season and all the drama that goes with it.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't expect football to be great in Seattle again until we move to our next head coach myself. I don't see Pete rebuilding a team at his age into a competitive unit. Lightning don't strike twice for the same people on the same team, at least I' haven't seen it except with Brady and Bill B.

Hell, as much I would have liked to keep Russ, there's a very high chance he never sees a Super Bowl again. The magic that comes together for the type of championship run we had is hard enough to put together once, much less the legendary team Carroll put together that first time with a legendary unit like the Legion of Boom, a legendary QB like the under-sized Russell Wilson no one gave a chance to succeed, and an old school RB with the anger, physicality, and durability of guys like Jim Brown and Csonka. That kind of magic occurs so rarely that I don't expect to see it in Seattle again in my lifetime. That will be the greatest Seattle Seahawks team I'll ever see.

Even Bobby was a Hall of Fame LB that was amazing who is often overlooked because of how damn good the Legion of Boom was and Russell and Beast because that whole team was stacked with amazing players you rarely see all together at once.

I'm not super excited myself. I'm expecting a few more years of Carroll and John trying to recapture bottled lightning and failing. Maybe a Seahawks sale to some other owner. And then trying to find that next fired up head coach who can at least make us competitive and maybe get us to a Super Bowl like Holmgren and Carroll when they first arrived.

I like the draft on paper. We'll see who works out. It's always interesting to watch new players develop. See if any of them can step up and be the next great Seahawk.

I like Clint Hurtt. Seems like a guy who really wants to make a name for himself. I'm hoping he can do it because I'm far more interested in a strong defense than seeing some kind of flashy offense. I want to see a smash mouth defense again that can lockdown the red zone. That means I've gotta see the D-line come to life and the secondary get some kind of consistent group that can do the job. The only position that I'm confident in is the LB position. You have to be a real bad GM not to find serviceable LBs. I would say LB is probably one of the highest percentage positions for success in the draft even if you don't get a pro bowler. D-line and CB are two of the hardest positions to find even baseline quality players who produce at an even an average level, especially a pass rushing DT. Run stuffing DTs are easier to find. And a shutdown corner or safety is a rare diamond.

[Hawktawk]

Football might not be “ great “ in Seattle next year but it won’t be terrible . It will be better and more consistent than 2021 was . 10-7. Pete Carroll didn’t sign on to rebuild in his 70s . Pete dominated a power 5 conference for a decade building a team every year in between his hall of fame NFL career . He’s uniquely qualified to pull it off and has far more weapons then most realize . The qb is a question mark but it’s been the last couple of years . It will be more stable and predictable and on schedule . We will move chains and let our exceptional skill people shoulder the load . Anyone who thinks Carroll and this disrespected team plan to be the sacrificial lamb at the altar of King Russ hasn’t been paying attention to Pete and john . Pete’s in the hall , what’s going to happen next will put John in the Hall . GO HAWKS!!

[RiverDog]

Football might not be “ great “ in Seattle next year but it won’t be terrible . It will be better and more consistent than 2021 was . 10-7. Pete Carroll didn’t sign on to rebuild in his 70s . Pete dominated a power 5 conference for a decade building a team every year in between his hall of fame NFL career . He’s uniquely qualified to pull it off and has far more weapons then most realize . The qb is a question mark but it’s been the last couple of years . It will be more stable and predictable and on schedule . We will move chains and let our exceptional skill people shoulder the load . Anyone who thinks Carroll and this disrespected team plan to be the sacrificial lamb at the altar of King Russ hasn’t been paying attention to Pete and john . Pete’s in the hall , what’s going to happen next will put John in the Hall . GO HAWKS!!

You sound awfully sure of yourself. Football won't be terrible in Seattle? Better and more consistent than 2021? We will move the chains? Pete Carroll in the Hall? Wow.

I hope you're not the type that gets all bummed out when your expectations aren't realized. They are exceptionally inflated over anyone, Hawks fan or otherwise, that I have encountered.

[NorthHawk]

There's a lot of hope and prayer there.
Pete may have built a team that went to the top of the mountain, but he also rode it back down to the bottom.
Now, 10 years older will he have the drive to not take shortcuts and actually build another team that can win it all? Does he have the time?
I guess we'll see.

[Hawktawk]

Football might not be “ great “ in Seattle next year but it won’t be terrible . It will be better and more consistent than 2021 was . 10-7. Pete Carroll didn’t sign on to rebuild in his 70s . Pete dominated a power 5 conference for a decade building a team every year in between his hall of fame NFL career . He’s uniquely qualified to pull it off and has far more weapons then most realize . The qb is a question mark but it’s been the last couple of years . It will be more stable and predictable and on schedule . We will move chains and let our exceptional skill people shoulder the load . Anyone who thinks Carroll and this disrespected team plan to be the sacrificial lamb at the altar of King Russ hasn’t been paying attention to Pete and john . Pete’s in the hall , what’s going to happen next will put John in the Hall . GO HAWKS!!

You sound awfully sure of yourself. Football won't be terrible in Seattle? Better and more consistent than 2021? We will move the chains? Pete Carroll in the Hall? Wow.

I hope you're not the type that gets all bummed out when your expectations aren't realized. They are exceptionally inflated over anyone, Hawks fan or otherwise, that I have encountered.

It’s not a question in my mind if Pete’s in the hall . He’s in . Not first ballot . But yeah some of the best defenses in the modern era , a dominant super bowl win .
I see what I see . I see more than you see. I think it’s been ten years since Pete had the opportunity to build a team . Since he had to coach his @ss off . He’s ready . No way they trade Russ knowing he’s coming back to town without a plan to win . When I hear guys like DK and even more so Lockett talking about being excited for a fresh start it’s a good sign . The number of our FAs that returned. You don’t sign Diggs in a rebuild. You trade DK. Why bring back Penney for 5 million ? Lots of if’s with the team for sure . But if Penney is healthy or Walker is a home run hitter , Qb is solid not spectacular and with a much improved defense we will surprise everyone but me and the guys in the Vmac. I think the schedule makers did us an incredible favor bringing the let’s ride donkey version in here week 1 . We might beat them bad . Flip the script week one .
If I’m wrong I’m wrong and it’s obvious . We’re certainly not the third worst team in the league
I’ll eat the crow but right now I think it will be others .

[RiverDog]

There's a lot of hope and prayer there.

Pete may have built a team that went to the top of the mountain, but he also rode it back down to the bottom. Now, 10 years older will he have the drive to not take shortcuts and actually build another team that can win it all? Does he have the time? I guess we'll see.

That's my concern. There's some huge questions about Pete's coaching ability. He's had 6 different coordinators in the past 5 seasons. He lost one of the best players, and by far the best QB, the franchise has ever had. He hasn't gotten out of the divisional round of the playoffs for the past 7 seasons. He's made some huge, bonehead trades. He's been successful before so there is some reason to be hopeful, but there's also a lot of reason for doubt.

As far as Pete's HOF resume, he's going to need to get another Lombardi. Otherwise, he'll join a long list of coaches that had some limited success but could never sustain it, coaches like Tom Coughlin, Jon Gruden, and Mike Holmgren. In Pete's era, there's guys like Andy Reid, Sean Payton, and Mike Tomlin that all have one Lombardi. Losing Russell over a philosophical disagreement may end up costing him votes.

[Aseahawkfan]

Football might not be “ great “ in Seattle next year but it won’t be terrible . It will be better and more consistent than 2021 was . 10-7. Pete Carroll didn’t sign on to rebuild in his 70s . Pete dominated a power 5 conference for a decade building a team every year in between his hall of fame NFL career . He’s uniquely qualified to pull it off and has far more weapons then most realize . The qb is a question mark but it’s been the last couple of years . It will be more stable and predictable and on schedule . We will move chains and let our exceptional skill people shoulder the load . Anyone who thinks Carroll and this disrespected team plan to be the sacrificial lamb at the altar of King Russ hasn’t been paying attention to Pete and john . Pete’s in the hall , what’s going to happen next will put John in the Hall . GO HAWKS!!

Depends on your definition of terrible I imagine.

We won't be competitive as in competing for a Super Bowl unless some of these rooks are so surprisingly amazing out of the gate as to do what I've never seen a rookie draft class do I can recall. I expect 6 to 9 wins as is usual for Carroll when he's rebuilding a team and doesn't have the talent developed and has roster holes.

You're so focused on Russell Wilson that you are completely ignoring all the other roster holes during your analysis. Even barring our disagreement over the personal attacks on Russell and his game play, there are other reasons besides Russell why the team is not doing well. We have lot of holes on both sides of the ball. The most glaring issues are CB and DE and the health of our RBs, which I don't see you accounting for.

If we were a top 5 defense and had a consistent run game we could rely on, I would agree with you that we might be able to make some noise even without Russ. But we don't. Russell being gone is just one more question mark added to the many others. Wil the defensive line stop the run and put pressure on the opposing QB so they're not spending half the game on the field getting tore up? The defense's ability to stop opposing offenses last year was terrible. Their time of possession was terrible. They were getting ran on and thrown on like it was going out of style.

Then there is the question if Penny and Carson can get and stay healthy so we have a consistent run game. Sure, Penny can run when he's healthy. So can Carson. But can they stay healthy enough to sustain a run game? Whoever is playing QB is going to need a run game. These guys may be serviceable at QB, but they're not superstars taking over games and throwing for 2 to 4 TDs when needed. Their serviceable guys who will need a consistent run game to keep the offense moving. I don't know how you analyze Carson and Penny and go, "These guys are money. No chance they get injured."

Basically, take Russell completely out of the equation and you still have massive question marks across the roster that need to be answered. Which is why for me I want to see how the rooks develop as that is the key to a return to consistent winning. If a few of these rooks turn into developing superstars at key positions like LT and DE, then we have something to look forward to in the coming years.

[Hawktawk]

Every roster has holes . It looks to me like the draft will microwave our defense and the back is an insurance policy if we don’t stay healthy at the position . Whoever is under center will be throwing to DK, Lockett , Swain with 4 50 yards plus TDs picking up scraps. Fant who is such an underrated part of the trade , a 6’7” beast that runs 4.5. Dissley . We know the potential of the backs . The line will not be worse then last year , probably better . I’m with Tri City Sam on our defense . The young kids are gonna shine .

We aren’t gonna be cellar dwellers . If we are you all have Ht to tee off on .

[NorthHawk]

I wonder if they intend to make Fant a blocking TE like they tried with Graham.

[Hawktawk]

Pete may have built a team that went to the top of the mountain, but he also rode it back down to the bottom. Now, 10 years older will he have the drive to not take shortcuts and actually build another team that can win it all? Does he have the time? I guess we'll see.

That's my concern. There's some huge questions about Pete's coaching ability. He's had 6 different coordinators in the past 5 seasons. He lost one of the best players, and by far the best QB, the franchise has ever had. He hasn't gotten out of the divisional round of the playoffs for the past 7 seasons. He's made some huge, bonehead trades. He's been successful before so there is some reason to be hopeful, but there's also a lot of reason for doubt.

As far as Pete's HOF resume, he's going to need to get another Lombardi. Otherwise, he'll join a long list of coaches that had some limited success but could never sustain it, coaches like Tom Coughlin, Jon Gruden, and Mike Holmgren. In Pete's era, there's guys like Andy Reid, Sean Payton, and Mike Tomlin that all have one Lombardi. Losing Russell over a philosophical disagreement may end up costing him votes.

Here you go “ Losing Russ over a philosophical disagreement “ . Russ was a completely out of control unmanageable uncoachable 500 lb gorilla in the end . Not a team player .

I blame Carroll zero for mr “ hey Seattle we got a deal “ with his woman in bed who welched out on the deal and blamed this organization for his failure to win on the way out . It will be addition by subtraction with that total head case . Good luck Denver . Russ will rue the day he decided this was best for him starting on Sept 12 when he gets crushed by the team that wasn’t good enough for him. Thank you NFL schedule makers .

[NorthHawk]

That’s just plain unadulterated BS, and you know it.
Russ was not a distraction let alone unmanageable and out of control.

[Hawktawk]

It's not lost on me that the team has had its short comings. I don't put it all on Wilson, but as the quarterback he touches the ball more than anybody.

Ultimately, if they thought they wouldn't see eye-to-eye anymore, then they'd get more now than they would after another season. Rather that than to miss the playoffs or an early playoff exit with him under center and then poor or no compensation when he leaves.

Agreed 100%. When the rumors started to circulate last season, I said that if he wasn't going to sign an extension with us, that we'd be better off pulling the trigger on a trade while we could get some serious compensation.

The minute I heard the post season comments impugning the team and was aware of the list of teams leaked I said do it now. There was more to be gained by far . I don’t think Pete and John wanted to take that massive a PR hit off a 40 TD season . This year that Russ had on the field and post game insubordination made it easier for them and the realistic fans of the team more than any one player .

But that’s long before we heard of coaches meetings being stormed and Mark Rodgers dropping F bombs on our GM. I see no way it made any sense trying to placate him any longer .

[Aseahawkfan]

Every roster has holes . It looks to me like the draft will microwave our defense and the back is an insurance policy if we don’t stay healthy at the position . Whoever is under center will be throwing to DK, Lockett , Swain with 4 50 yards plus TDs picking up scraps. Fant who is such an underrated part of the trade , a 6’7” beast that runs 4.5. Dissley . We know the potential of the backs . The line will not be worse then last year , probably better . I’m with Tri City Sam on our defense . The young kids are gonna shine .

We aren’t gonna be cellar dwellers . If we are you all have Ht to tee off on .

I said we win 6 to 9 games. That is not a cellar dweller. We're not Jacksonville or Cleveland.

We are just in rebuild mode with a lot of roster holes filled by rooks at key positions and a QB question mark. This is the time where Pete Carroll separates the players he can build around and the ones who aren't going to make it.

You been so busy hating on Russell, you aren't looking at the entire roster and that we're in that period of roster development and churn until we find the star players from the draft picks, free agents, and if the veterans can mesh well with the new players.

[Aseahawkfan]

Here you go “ Losing Russ over a philosophical disagreement “ . Russ was a completely out of control unmanageable uncoachable 500 lb gorilla in the end . Not a team player .

I blame Carroll zero for mr “ hey Seattle we got a deal “ with his woman in bed who welched out on the deal and blamed this organization for his failure to win on the way out . It will be addition by subtraction with that total head case . Good luck Denver . Russ will rue the day he decided this was best for him starting on Sept 12 when he gets crushed by the team that wasn’t good enough for him. Thank you NFL schedule makers .

Man, you need to just shut up already.

Neither Russ nor Seattle will rue anything. Russ will do fine. Seattle will do fine. Stop being an idiot. No one from the team stated anything bad about Russ. Russ hasn't said anything bad about Seattle or Pete Carroll. You're the only one making this garbage up in your head for reasons I can't even fathom. I really don't know how you take what was going on and make it into this trash acting like Russ was Terrell Owens. It's just ridiculous.

Just stop. No one is buying it. You act like Russ banged you in a hotel room and promised you he would stay in Seattle forever loving you or something. He's not your boyfriend that jilted you, man. He's just a player. He's gone. Get over it.

[Hawktawk]

That’s just plain unadulterated BS, and you know it.
Russ was not a distraction let alone unmanageable and out of control.

When you demand things of your coach and organization you’re a problem storming into coaches meetings . Agent dropping F bombs on the guy that drafted him . When you lose 3 games at least with bad decisions and your coach simply points out your mistakes and you argue publicly as he did 3 times just this year at least you are uncoachable . Refusing to run the offense is a problem . He had become a 500 lb gorilla here and Im pretty sure I heard another poster refer to him that way when we were speculating it might be Russ sticking around breaking in a new coach . Now it’s Denver’s new coach who was coaching a disciplined pocket mastering passer with extreme mobility going to the scramble drill . Good luck on that .

[NorthHawk]

Give it up already.
If Pete didn’t think he gave the team the best chance to win he wouldn’t have played him.
And not doing what the coach wants or actively undermining the team? That’s a suspension
and he had too much to lose doing that.
The fact is they had an amicable parting of the ways. JS and Mark Rogers didn’t like each
other but that didn’t extend to the Wilson/Carroll relationship. If it was as you say, it would
have been national news as these things can’t be swept under the carpet with so many
people on the team and Russ being so high profile.

[Hawktawk]

Here you go “ Losing Russ over a philosophical disagreement “ . Russ was a completely out of control unmanageable uncoachable 500 lb gorilla in the end . Not a team player .

I blame Carroll zero for mr “ hey Seattle we got a deal “ with his woman in bed who welched out on the deal and blamed this organization for his failure to win on the way out . It will be addition by subtraction with that total head case . Good luck Denver . Russ will rue the day he decided this was best for him starting on Sept 12 when he gets crushed by the team that wasn’t good enough for him. Thank you NFL schedule makers .

Man, you need to just shut up already.

Neither Russ nor Seattle will rue anything. Russ will do fine. Seattle will do fine. Stop being an idiot. No one from the team stated anything bad about Russ. Russ hasn't said anything bad about Seattle or Pete Carroll. You're the only one making this garbage up in your head for reasons I can't even fathom. I really don't know how you take what was going on and make it into this trash acting like Russ was Terrell Owens. It's just ridiculous.



Just stop. No one is buying it. You act like Russ banged you in a hotel room and promised you he would stay in Seattle forever loving you or something. He's not your boyfriend that jilted you, man. He's just a player. He's gone. Get over it.

This will all come into focus Sept 12 . Russ was the greatest qb in our history , one of the great dual threat quarterbacks in history , but then his personality changed and then his game started to . All that is true . Then he wanted out . He made it clear for a year . I’m glad he’s gone just like I’m glad for the memories and hardware .

I’m a realist . It’s his defenders acting like it’s Pete’s fault Russ wanted to ditch the 12s . Maybe I use too much hyperbole ( well I do ). But as a personnel manager I see an employee that is a very capable employee , the most talented I have but he’s not a team player , threatens to get a new job if he doesn’t get what he wants , blames others when he makes a mistake .

I’ve fired that guy numerous times over the 37 years of my career OK . It was short term pain but long term gain and immediate boost to the attitude of the crew . That’s what none of these prognosticators get is the motivation the hawks have and it’s week one which is beautiful .

I’m glad Russ is gone and so are Pete and John and Jodi . And when DK who is a personal friend of Russ and Lockett say they are “ excited for a new beginning “ they sound alright with it too . If Russ and Hackett make it work more power to them and I’ll give them the credit . I don’t think it’s going to go that well with a first time head coach and a team that hasn’t made the postseason in 5 years .

That’s all . Let’s revisit on Sept 12.

[c_hawkbob]

That’s all . Let’s revisit on Sept 12.

Please!!!

[Hawktawk]

That’s all . Let’s revisit on Sept 12.

Please!!!

I’m all for it but when I get jumped on with page long rants for seeing it my way I am not going to sit like a potted plant and take it either .

[c_hawkbob]

Dude, you're the one jumping everyone else for daring to say anything good about Russ. A truce until 9/12 sounds like a winner both ways.

[Hawktawk]

Dude, you're the one jumping everyone else for daring to say anything good about Russ. A truce until 9/12 sounds like a winner both ways.

Fair enough bob but when someone says Carroll ran him off and has lost it , hasn’t drafted worth a damn , that’s impugning a coach I respect more than the player at this point . As a blue collar manager I see it as Coach = boss . Player = employee. I’ll reserve my comments on Russell for the greatest plays thread unless provoked . I see even Asea has a 6-9 win ceiling for us now so maybe I’m on to something . GO HAWKS

[Aseahawkfan]

Fair enough bob but when someone says Carroll ran him off and has lost it , hasn’t drafted worth a damn , that’s impugning a coach I respect more than the player at this point . As a blue collar manager I see it as Coach = boss . Player = employee. I’ll reserve my comments on Russell for the greatest plays thread unless provoked . I see even Asea has a 6-9 win ceiling for us now so maybe I’m on to something . GO HAWKS

I said that before. Carroll has never gone with less than six wins even on the Jets. He went 7-9 for two seasons here with Matt H at the end of his career and Tarvaris Jackson. Carroll is a good enough coach not to end up in the cellar like Jacksonville and Cleveland. I never thought they were going to go into the cellar.

It would be nice to get the number one overall draft pick or number 1 and 2 with Denver tanking too. But that's just my pipe dream. We'll probably end up with another top 10 pick and who knows what will happen with Denver, hopefully another top 10 pick. Seattle and Denver are both in tough divisions. I don't see as much talent as some see on Denver. Maybe they're better than I expect, but who knows. We'll see next year.

History indicates Carroll somewhere between 6 to 9 wins depending on how some games go and a 17 game season. I can't see us being worse than Jacksonville. Cleveland will rise or fall based on Watson. Not sure where 6 to 9 wins will get us. But we really have to fall apart to end up as the cellar dweller. That's just not likely to happen with Carroll as coach barring catastrophic injuries.

[NorthHawk]

Jacksonville was a shat storm last year with Meyer in charge.
With Peterson as HC, I think things will be different. He has instant credibility and he’s shown to be able to
develop QBs. They almost beat us last year or at least they were more competitive than they should have been.
As well, with Lawrence in his 2nd year, he should be able to take a big step forward.
They might even end up with a better record than us.
So if our FO sees a QB they really like, we could be in a good draft spot and if they want to package a second
1st round pick to move up to get him, that could be done.
I’m hoping their mid to long term plan was to get the OL pieces in place this last draft and get a QB next year
when it’s supposed to be a deeper QB draft.
Short of trading for a top QB, or picking up one in FA it’s going to take a few years to get on track which is OK
as OL take a couple of years to really play well.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'll think Jacksonville has turned around when they turn around. That team is a train going nowhere until they prove otherwise.

[Hawktawk]

I'll think Jacksonville has turned around when they turn around. That team is a train going nowhere until they prove otherwise.

I trust Peterson . I was stunned he was let go. He had Wendz playing at an MVP level then coached up Foles to be super bowl MVP. Lawrence will love him . Not sure about their roster but I know the week after we smoked them they stuffed Buffalo and ended the colts season quite handily in week 18 .

[NorthHawk]

Peterson is light years ahead of Meyer as a HC at the NFL level and he has immediate respect because of his SB ring.
They have talent on that team, maybe more than us but they have to learn how to win and trust in themselves.

[Aseahawkfan]

The last time I remember Jacksonville doing anything Mark Brunell was their QB and Tom Coughlin their coach. Even then, they were just ok.

[Hawktawk]

The last time I remember Jacksonville doing anything Mark Brunell was their QB and Tom Coughlin their coach. Even then, they were just ok.

They actually got to the divisional a few years ago I believe with Blake Bortles . When that happened they gave him a deal and went in the toilet . I don’t see their talent as superior to Seattle right now . Geno smith completely outplayed Lawrence . Not a start Geno comment just a fact . Our skill people are about as good as it’s going to get assuming our top 2 running backs stay healthy . The Waldron first read get the ball out offense and the anticipated run game will help a rookie line but it’s also loaded with talented young guys all of a sudden . Loved that they retained Haynes .
I think we will have the most powerful defense since the LOB next season.

[Aseahawkfan]

They actually got to the divisional a few years ago I believe with Blake Bortles . When that happened they gave him a deal and went in the toilet . I don’t see their talent as superior to Seattle right now . Geno smith completely outplayed Lawrence . Not a start Geno comment just a fact . Our skill people are about as good as it’s going to get assuming our top 2 running backs stay healthy . The Waldron first read get the ball out offense and the anticipated run game will help a rookie line but it’s also loaded with talented young guys all of a sudden . Loved that they retained Haynes .
I think we will have the most powerful defense since the LOB next season.

I have no idea why you think the defense will improve that much. I don't know where you get that from. They don't have close to the talent of the LoB defense, not even in the same ballpark.

[Hawktawk]

Word is leaking out of let’s rides camp that he will be seeking a 5 year deal at 50 per . The chat lines in Denver are lit up and there’s some not happy fans for whom the honeymoon is over . So I guess my observation is that it’s the first time let’s ride camp has offered to sign for 5 years . Also that with what they surrendered in capital they are over a barrel much as Seattle with Adams where you gave so much in trade you can’t afford not to sign him .
So good luck Denver . You weren’t paying attention.

That team better win or else .
In other news there is a report that Watson may be facing at least a 1 year suspension . Please come back Baker all is forgiven

[c_hawkbob]

Naturally you left out the most important part of the origins of that $250M number; as with most thing you attribute to him, it didn't come from Russ:

Klis later reclassified these numbers as his "presumption" and affirmed that "no one has asked for anything at this time."