Seahawks for Sale

[c_hawkbob]

https://heavy.com/sports/seattle-seahaw ... hhxowyFZa8

[Aseahawkfan]

His wife Jody Allen? This reporter needs to do some better fact checking. He been watching too much Game of Thrones.

[NorthHawk]

We knew it was going to happen sometime as per Paul Allen’s will.
I will have nightmares about a behringesque move unless it’s to someone who has local ties.

[RiverDog]

There's a big difference between the last time the Hawks were sold, in the mid 90's, and this current dilemma: There are two teams in LA. There were none in 1996 when Allen bought the Seahawks. Seattle has matured into one of the more desirable markets in the league. There are two chances that the Seahawks move to another city: Slim and none.

At this point, it's more of a curiosity than it is a concern. I'm waiting until we hear who all is bidding before I start biting my fingernails.

[Aseahawkfan]

I'm hoping one of these big tech guys who loves sports steps up locally. I like having a smart guy as the owner.

[obiken]

I'm hoping one of these big tech guys who loves sports steps up locally. I like having a smart guy as the owner.

Yeah its an auction ASHF, keep an eye on the Blazers down here in PDX, and the sale of the Broncos. I heard from John Canzano of 750 the game, that she wants to keep part ownership of the Hawks, with the way the trust is written she cant. He wanted them sold off to fund his Foundation which he looked on as his legacy. NOT to criticize PA, because he was the best owner we ever had, but he knew he was dying and should have found an owner for them before he shuffled off this mortal coil.

[I-5]

Yeah its an auction ASHF, keep an eye on the Blazers down here in PDX, and the sale of the Broncos. I heard from John Canzano of 750 the game, that she wants to keep part ownership of the Hawks, with the way the trust is written she cant. He wanted them sold off to fund his Foundation which he looked on as his legacy. NOT to criticize PA, because he was the best owner we ever had, but he knew he was dying and should have found an owner for them before he shuffled off this mortal coil.

Couldn't agree more. PA was a great owner, and very civic-minded, so logically I also would have thought he would have wanted to plan on a succession to keep the Seahawks on a great path with the city. He has every right not to do that of course, but based on what he helped create, it would make sense.

Here is the full article from John Canzano

https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-no-wiggle-room-nfls-seahawks?sd=nfs&s=r

[Hawktawk]

Ok wow

[jshawaii22]

When it does happen, It's going to become part of Jeff Bezos and Amazon... mark my words and should set a new record for the $$$. Jody has been more involved the past few months then the first couple of years. She was in the "war room" at the draft. She was in the loop during the negotiations and approved the Russell Wilson trade. , so something is going on.

[Aseahawkfan]

I figured this was gonna happen. If Jody actually does like being involved in Seattle football, hope she can find a good owner or ownership group to take the helm.

[NorthHawk]

I would have thought that having a Franchise QB in the fold would fetch more money than a team
searching for one. Most new owners clean house with the FO, in the first couple of years so when
the team is sold it will at some early point be without both a HC/GM and Franchise QB.
Too bad they pushed Wilson out the door instead of the FO.

[Hawktawk]

I would have thought that having a Franchise QB in the fold would fetch more money than a team
searching for one. Most new owners clean house with the FO, in the first couple of years so when
the team is sold it will at some early point be without both a HC/GM and Franchise QB.
Too bad they pushed Wilson out the door instead of the FO.

For the love of God Russ pushed himself out the door . And it won’t affect the sale at all . Some owners prefer a QB who is “ all in” as Jodi herself said publicly after the trade .
So sick of the ragging on the organization over a spoiled brat .

[NorthHawk]

Russ wanted to stay, but things had to change for him to do so.
The choice was between PC/JS and the best QB this team ever had.
I think it's a mistake and we're going to be paying for it for years to come.

[c_hawkbob]

I would have thought that having a Franchise QB in the fold would fetch more money than a team
searching for one. Most new owners clean house with the FO, in the first couple of years so when
the team is sold it will at some early point be without both a HC/GM and Franchise QB.
Too bad they pushed Wilson out the door instead of the FO.

For the love of God Russ pushed himself out the door . And it won’t affect the sale at all . Some owners prefer a QB who is “ all in” as Jodi herself said publicly after the trade .
So sick of the ragging on the organization over a spoiled brat .

Stop it man. Go ahead and have you myopic view of what happened but quit denigrating people that don't share it and acting like it's the only reasonable way to see what we all saw happen.

[RiverDog]

I would have thought that having a Franchise QB in the fold would fetch more money than a team
searching for one. Most new owners clean house with the FO, in the first couple of years so when
the team is sold it will at some early point be without both a HC/GM and Franchise QB.
Too bad they pushed Wilson out the door instead of the FO.

For the love of God Russ pushed himself out the door . And it won’t affect the sale at all . Some owners prefer a QB who is “ all in” as Jodi herself said publicly after the trade.

So sick of the ragging on the organization over a spoiled brat .

Stop it man. Go ahead and have you myopic view of what happened but quit denigrating people that don't share it and acting like it's the only reasonable way to see what we all saw happen.

I second that. You've complained about personal attacks on your character yet you continue to use inflammatory terms like "spoiled brat" to describe a person that many of us still have a true liking for.

[I-5]

Just clarifying: is using a term like 'spoiled brat' to describe an opinion of player on the team the equivalent to an ad hominem attack on a fellow poster in this forum? I would assume not, but maybe I'm wrong.

[Hawktawk]

Just clarifying: is using a term like 'spoiled brat' to describe an opinion of player on the team the equivalent to an ad hominem attack on a fellow poster in this forum? I would assume not, but maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks I 5. Somehow using a harsh nickname for a player that’s close to an accurate description means I deserve to be called a dirt bag , low class no morals
And my guess is the majority of my fellow Seahawks fans believe Russ wanted out .

And River pick a damn side ok? You’re the one who shared the Sports illustrated article from 2017 !!!!! That alleged he ran off members of the LOB who felt he got preferential treatment , wasn’t held accountable to the same standards , was didn’t interact with the team at Christmas parties . Etc etc . Split the locker room . Share it again and tell me I’m off base . You think it’s Ok how Asaea is referring to me ? Not to mention I’ve heard you say pretty harsh things about Russ in the last few months . Pick a side .

[RiverDog]

And River pick a damn side ok? You’re the one who shared the Sports illustrated article from 2017 !!!!! That alleged he ran off members of the LOB who felt he got preferential treatment , wasn’t held accountable to the same standards , was didn’t interact with the team at Christmas parties . Etc etc . Split the locker room . Share it again and tell me I’m off base . You think it’s Ok how Asaea is referring to me ? Not to mention I’ve heard you say pretty harsh things about Russ in the last few months . Pick a side .

Why do I have to pick a side? I've consistently said that from what I can discern from what I know of the situation, it's my opinion that both Pete and Russell were to blame. And so what if I shared an article from 2017? If I recall, I didn't pick a side in that debate, either, rather acknowledged that the split existed. Besides, wasn't Pete at the center of that controversy, that a lot of the players felt that he was giving Russell preferential treatment, not calling him out for his mistakes like he did the mistakes that others made? Or did your selective memory allow you to forget about that part of the story?

And I never said that it was OK for another poster to engage in name calling. Not that it makes it right, but your continued use of derogatory terms for a player that a lot of us have developed a liking to invites the types of attacks that you're complaining about. If the attacks bother you, then simply back off the rhetoric you've been using to describe Russell Wilson.

[TriCitySam]

We’ll have to see how this plays out. One thought, and I don’t know, is that while Paul’s will says his stuff gets sold, we don’t know what Jody inherits. Maybe she gets enough to buy a large portion. I can’t believe he cut her out, and maybe if she gets only X%, it works. She acted engaged.

[Aseahawkfan]

Just clarifying: is using a term like 'spoiled brat' to describe an opinion of player on the team the equivalent to an ad hominem attack on a fellow poster in this forum? I would assume not, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think it is. I think if you can attack a public figure in that manner, you're a rude person who deserves treatment in kind.

Russell Wilson has done absolutely nothing to be referred to in such an insulting manner. If you can take shots at public figure in a rude, low character manner, then you can accept the same insults right back at you.

Explain to me what Russell Wilson has done to deserve such vitriol towards him? Taken care of his family? Taken time to make some kids happy in a medical ward? Gone to church on Sunday? Adopted his wife's child as his own and treated him like his own kid? Put it all on the line on the football field so a bunch of us fans can have a winning team? Supported his teammates improving by organizing workouts in the offseason on his own time to improve timing and rapport with his receivers? Tried to come back early from the most serious injury of his career so he wouldn't let the team and fans down? He's never insulted the Seahawks. Never flipped anyone off. Never insulted Pete Carroll or John Schneider. Always represented himself, his team, and his family in the most polite and respectful manner possible.

And I gotta listen while some guy insults a human who has done nothing but exhibited the highest character, work ethic, and commitment to his family, team, children, and community get called names because some disgruntled fan is unhappy he didn't demand to stay in Seattle when the head coach and GM decided to trade him? Something they didn't have to do? I don't think it's right. I don't know why you think it's ok to insult someone like Russell Wilson with personal insults and the like given he has done absolutely nothing to deserve such treatment.

[Hawktawk]

. ]Just clarifying: is using a term like 'spoiled brat' to describe an opinion of player on the team the equivalent to an ad hominem attack on a fellow poster in this forum? I would assume not, but maybe I'm wrong.

I think it is. I think if you can attack a public figure in that manner, you're a rude person who deserves treatment in kind.

Russell Wilson has done absolutely nothing to be referred to in such an insulting manner. If you can take shots at public figure in a rude, low character manner, then you can accept the same insults right back at you.

Explain to me what Russell Wilson has done to deserve such vitriol towards him? Taken care of his family? Taken time to make some kids happy in a medical ward? Gone to church on Sunday? Adopted his wife's child as his own and treated him like his own kid? Put it all on the line on the football field so a bunch of us fans can have a winning team? Supported his teammates improving by organizing workouts in the offseason on his own time to improve timing and rapport with his receivers? Tried to come back early from the most serious injury of his career so he wouldn't let the team and fans down? He's never insulted the Seahawks. Never flipped anyone off. Never insulted Pete Carroll or John Schneider. Always represented himself, his team, and his family in the most polite and respectful manner possible.

And I gotta listen while some guy insults a human who has done nothing but exhibited the highest character, work ethic, and commitment to his family, team, children, and community get called names because some disgruntled fan is unhappy he didn't demand to stay in Seattle when the head coach and GM decided to trade him? Something they didn't have to do? I don't think it's right. I don't know why you think it's ok to insult someone like Russell Wilson with personal insults and the like given he has done absolutely nothing to deserve such treatment.[/quote]


And you rip Pete Carroll while praising him in other posts . But me having spent some months thinking and deciding Pete and john were a lot more responsible for this should have been dynasty and objecting to you calling them garbage , no clue as they win the second most games in the decade . I never called you low class for your opinion . I’m 63 . Paid my dues . Spent money I didn’t have to go to games .

My concerns with Russ are a lot longer than since the trade and documented In the forum starting with his 2016 season ending press conference after getting smoked in Atlanta. and the cold hard fact is that since he threw 49 away we have 3 wild card wins. September 12 th we will assess. Till then lay off the personal attacks . You have no clue and couldn’t be more wrong about me .

[Aseahawkfan]

And you rip Pete Carroll while praising him in other posts . But me having spent some months thinking and deciding Pete and john were a lot more responsible for this should have been dynasty and objecting to you calling them garbage , no clue as they win the second most games in the decade . I never called you low class for your opinion . I’m 63 . Paid my dues . Spent money I didn’t have to go to games .

My concerns with Russ are a lot longer than since the trade and documented In the forum starting with his 2016 season ending press conference after getting smoked in Atlanta. and the cold hard fact is that since he threw 49 away we have 3 wild card wins. September 12 th we will assess. Till then lay off the personal attacks . You have no clue and couldn’t be more wrong about me .

Gee, I'm wrong about a guy I barely know that I only interact with on a football forum? Imagine that. The only people have you to prove anything to is your family and friends you value. Same with Russ. I never thought I was right. I'm trying to get you to wake up to how bad your actions are taking the shots you're taking at Russell Wilson, a guy you don't know personally who to your knowledge has been nothing but a stand up human being in his community, with his team, with his family, and I've never heard a single fan say Russell was not a great guy in person dealing with them.

So be sure I know none of what I'm saying about you is true because how could I know? But I'll be damned if I'm going to let you tee off on Russ like he killed your dog when he did nothing of the kind.

Just be happy we had a guy as good as Russ playing for us for ten years. He helped us achieve our first Super Bowl. He set the bar high for any future QB coming into our organization. He was great for our community. Stop ruining the great memories with all the vitriol.

[Clem7]

Saint Russ. Ok. My way or the highway Russ. Ok. Got it.

[Hawktawk]

Saint Russ. Ok. My way or the highway Russ. Ok. Got it.

Right ? It’s ok to acnowkedge a near decade of excellence on the field and still say he changed , personality more than anything. He’s not terrible , does a ton of charity work as do many athletes . Chris Long donated his entire salary of 7 million to causes related to black empowerment. When he started talking about a stadium deal during his post game interview after a bad game in the divisional vs Atlanta , Nonchalant oh well better luck next time that’s when my antenna went up along with a few other observant posters here and it was more every year.

Next couple years need more guys , then “ tired of getting hit so much “ leaking teams over a year ago and some think this was all Seattle’s idea and he waived his no trade clause without wanting out As a person he’s far better than as an all in team leader no matter how pretty a deep ball he throws . I’m positive Nathaniel Hackett took the job expecting to coach Arod so good luck . If they make it work more power too them. And if you all think I’m hard on Russ I wish I could go back to 2006 so you could see what I said about hutch . You make plain the 12s ain’t good enough I really don’t like you much anymore

[NorthHawk]

Russ is right in one respect. We've never had a real good OL
The championship years the OL was serviceable, but since then it's been a series of misses and failures up front.
Maybe this draft will change things. Time will tell, but history isn't on our side.

[RiverDog]

Russ is right in one respect. We've never had a real good OL
The championship years the OL was serviceable, but since then it's been a series of misses and failures up front.
Maybe this draft will change things. Time will tell, but history isn't on our side.

Actually, the OL wasn't all that bad in 2020. As I recall, PFF had us ranked in the middle of the pack, better than what it was in our SB years, but not good enough to make up for a horrid defense. But we regressed last season as we were ranked in the bottom 1/4 of the league.

[NorthHawk]

The OL wasn’t particularly effective in 2020 in that we had real trouble in short yardage situations and
had trouble creating long drives to eat the clock. A good OL would be able to control the LoS and just
like our DL that year we got pushed around all too often.

[RiverDog]

The OL wasn’t particularly effective in 2020 in that we had real trouble in short yardage situations and
had trouble creating long drives to eat the clock. A good OL would be able to control the LoS and just
like our DL that year we got pushed around all too often.

Nevertheless, it was one of, if not the highest rated OL that Pete's ever fielded. They weren't that bad.

[NorthHawk]

Then it's one of those times when statistics and reality clash.

[RiverDog]

Then it's one of those times when statistics and reality clash.

The rankings are done by Pro Football Focus, which, even by NFL teams, is regarded as the gold standard for player and position evaluation. If they were ranked in the middle of the pack, they must have been doing something right.

[NorthHawk]

But they continually couldn’t get it done when required.
That doesn’t show up in their stats. The number of 3 and outs was horrible for
most of the year. Perhaps that’s in large part because of Pete’s “That 70’s Offense”
but we’ve had problems sustaining drives for years.

[NorthHawk]

https://heavy.com/sports/seattle-seahawks/selling-team-paul-allen-jeff-bezos/?fbclid=IwAR0y8lBWczK6iZs1soam9lP0Quph80Gs-tit7ya5Jh9bbdpG0hhxowyFZa8

I stumbled across something the other day on mobile where I think Brock Huard said that there was some
type of language in the contract with the field that said if the team was sold before 2024 the new owner would
have to pay something like $200M. So I wouldn’t expect to see a sale for a few years.

[NorthHawk]

Here it is:

According to Huard, because the City of Seattle paid “hundreds of millions of dollars” to help build Lumen Field, a contract with the Seahawks includes a stipulation that would be a big hurdle to any sale until the middle of this decade, and selling the team before then is not something the trust would do due to a fiduciary responsibility.

“There was basically a poison pill enacted into the deal that said, ‘You can’t go and turn around and sell the (team)’ … until – and I’m pretty confident that it’s 2025, 2026. We’re still some years away from the trust being able to do that,” Huard said. “Otherwise, (with) that poison pill, (the Seahawks) would have had to donate hundreds of millions of dollars back to the city, and that just was not going to happen. So I don’t think a sale is imminent. I don’t think it’s within the next year or two years. It may be within four years.”

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1622787/ ... ock-huard/

[RiverDog]

Here it is:

According to Huard, because the City of Seattle paid “hundreds of millions of dollars” to help build Lumen Field, a contract with the Seahawks includes a stipulation that would be a big hurdle to any sale until the middle of this decade, and selling the team before then is not something the trust would do due to a fiduciary responsibility.

“There was basically a poison pill enacted into the deal that said, ‘You can’t go and turn around and sell the (team)’ … until – and I’m pretty confident that it’s 2025, 2026. We’re still some years away from the trust being able to do that,” Huard said. “Otherwise, (with) that poison pill, (the Seahawks) would have had to donate hundreds of millions of dollars back to the city, and that just was not going to happen. So I don’t think a sale is imminent. I don’t think it’s within the next year or two years. It may be within four years.”

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1622787/ ... ock-huard/[/quote]

Interesting stuff. Thanks!

[Aseahawkfan]

Here it is:

According to Huard, because the City of Seattle paid “hundreds of millions of dollars” to help build Lumen Field, a contract with the Seahawks includes a stipulation that would be a big hurdle to any sale until the middle of this decade, and selling the team before then is not something the trust would do due to a fiduciary responsibility.

“There was basically a poison pill enacted into the deal that said, ‘You can’t go and turn around and sell the (team)’ … until – and I’m pretty confident that it’s 2025, 2026. We’re still some years away from the trust being able to do that,” Huard said. “Otherwise, (with) that poison pill, (the Seahawks) would have had to donate hundreds of millions of dollars back to the city, and that just was not going to happen. So I don’t think a sale is imminent. I don’t think it’s within the next year or two years. It may be within four years.”

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1622787/ ... ock-huard/

Nice find.

[Hawktawk]

But they continually couldn’t get it done when required.
That doesn’t show up in their stats. The number of 3 and outs was horrible for
most of the year. Perhaps that’s in large part because of Pete’s “That 70’s Offense”
but we’ve had problems sustaining drives for years.

The third down problem is because Russ completed 42% of his third down throws despite being one of the highest rated passers in the league on first and second down . Unless the games on the line these days then he missed on every down . One constant the last 10 years is Russell and PC and they are the only 2 guys that were left in the building till Russ left . Why did we win 10 to 12 games a year then get in the playoffs and be down 3 scores before getting on the board with mr all wired franchise difference maker ? Even a team we beat a few weeks earlier in the Rams and they pick 6 Russ , hold him to 11-29. Pressure gets to him and it never used to .

We will learn some things by what happens here and in Denver . Mad respect if they make it work but Im skeptical.

[NorthHawk]

Why did we win 10 to 12 games a year then get in the playoffs and be down 3 scores before getting on the board with mr all wired franchise difference maker ?

That’s part of Peteball.
He wants to keep it close then mount a furious comeback for the win.
It is exemplified by the comments Pete an Russ made a couple of years ago
that showed the difference in philosophy. When asked how they want to play, Pete
said to keep it close and win at the end something like 23-17. Russ’s response
was why not score 23 in the first half. And that’s the problem with Peteball.
When we get behind, it’s not always possible to come back if the Defense can’t
stop the other team or if the opponent successfully counters your Offense.
Russell was able to pull it off over 30 times, but it’s not always going to be successful.

[Hawktawk]

Going down 3 scores immediately in a game is not Pete ball. In our last 5 playoff losses we have not held a second half lead in 4 of them and have never led in 3 . At some point the same guy that threw 30 plus TDs 5 years in a row on a 10 to 12 win team should be able to elevate the team in the postseason . We will find out quite soon who is right or wrong With this trade .

[NorthHawk]

Going down 3 scores immediately in a game is not Pete ball. In our last 5 playoff losses we have not held a second half lead in 4 of them and have never led in 3 . At some point the same guy that threw 30 plus TDs 5 years in a row on a 10 to 12 win team should be able to elevate the team in the postseason . We will find out quite soon who is right or wrong With this trade .

It’s not Peteball by design, but they aren’t built to play from behind a big score. And that’s Peteball.
If the Defense is bad then it’s a big problem.
That’s why in 2019 we won when Russ almost single-handedly carried the team for the first 5 games and
we weren’t playing Peteball. Then at the first sign of trouble he pulled back the reins. The Defense on
the other hand floundered until they got a pass rush.

[Stream Hawk]

Phil Knight is purchasing the Blazers. Does that mean he also buys the Seahawks?