Offense thru the yrs under Pete Carroll

[tarlhawk]

Statistical Comparison of our offenses capabilities/results over the span of our current Head Coach Pete Carroll

Year NFC West (Record) Pt for (RK/32) Pass Snaps (%) Rush Snaps (%)
QB (Comp %) Yds Pass TD INT RB (Yds/att) Yds TD

2010 won NFC West (7-9) 310 Pts(23rd) Pass Att 544 (59%) Rush Att 385
QB Hasselbeck (60%) 3001 yds 12td 17int RB Lynch (3.5) 573yds 6td

2011 3rd NFC West (7-9) 321 Pts (23rd) Pass Att 509 (53%) Rush Att 444
QB TJack (60%) 3091 yds 14td 13int RB Lynch(4.2)1204 ds12td

2012 2nd NFC West (11-5) 412 Pts (9th) Pass Att 405 (43%) Rush Att 536
QB RWilson (64%) 3118 yds 26td 10int RB Lynch (5.0)1590 yds11td

2013 won NFC West (13-3) 417 Pts (8th) Pass Att 420 (45%) Rush Att 509
QB RWilson (63%) 3357 yds 26td 9int RB Lynch (4.2)1257 yds 12td

2014 won NFC West (12-4) 394 Pts (10th)Pass Att 454 (46%) Rush Att 525
QB RWilson (63%) 3475 yds 20td 7int RB Lynch (4.7) 1306 yds 13td

2015 2nd NFC West (10-6) 423 Pts (4th) Pass Att 489 (49%) Rush Att 500
QB RWilson (68%) 4024 yds 34td 8int RB Rawls (5.6) 830 yds 4td

2016 won NFC West(10-5-1)354 Pts (18th)PassAtt 567 (58%) Rush Att 403
QB RWilson (65%) 4219yds 21td 11intRB CMichael(4.0)469 yds 6td

2017 2nd NFC West (9-7) 366 Pts (11th)Pass Att 555 (58%) Rush Att 409
QB RWilson (61%) 3983yds 34td 11int QB RWilson (6.2)586 yds 3td

2018 2nd NFC West (10-6) 428 Pts (6th) Pass Att 427 (44%) Rush Att 534
QB RWilson (66%) 3448yds 35td 7int RB CCarson (4.7)1151 yds 9td

2019 2nd NFC West (11-5) 405 Pts (9th) Pass Att 517 (52%) Rush Att 481
QB RWilson (66%) 4110yds 31td 5int RB CCarson (4.4)1230 yds 7td

2020 won NFC West (12-4) 459Pts (8th) Pass Att 563 (58%) Rush Att 411
QB RWilson (69%) 4212yds 40td 13int RB CCarson (4.8) 681 yds 5td

2021 4th NFC West (7-10) 395 Pts (16th)Pass Att 495 (55%) Rush Att 413
QB RWilson (65%) 3113yds 25td 6int RB RPenny (6.3) 749 yds 6td

[RiverDog]

And your point is?

[tarlhawk]

And your point is?

These info posts need a point? This shows the year by year results for comparison while contrasting offensive balance...improvement since the arrival of Russell Wilson (Our QB play really picked up)...the impact of losing Marshawn Lynch from our rushing attack...even the year (2017) where RW himself led our anemic rushing options (which was also the year we gambled poorly on adding RB Eddie Lacy)

Using these stat comparisons invites whatever thoughts (focusing on our offense) can be gathered...your question seems rather brash?

[NorthHawk]

I said at the time on the SeattlePi forum that our OL wasn't that great but Lynch made up for it.
The stat that isn't shown is broken tackles and Lynch had over 100 each year. One year he had around 120 and the nearest RB had in the 80s.
After he left, it exposed our OL and then we traded Unger and cut Breno. The run game hasn't been the same as we can't grind out 1st downs when needed.
Maybe in time our OL will be much better with the run but OL usually take a couple of years to learn how to be a Pro at the NFL level. I just hope they don't
shuffle the OTs around when they struggle because the players will all go through the growing pains young players have.

[tarlhawk]

Maybe in time our OL will be much better with the run but OL usually take a couple of years to learn how to be a Pro at the NFL level. I just hope they don't
shuffle the OTs around when they struggle because the players will all go through the growing pains young players have.

Good insight NH...I've read numerous articles where line continuity at the NFL level is very important...2-3 years of working together is a huge boon to the line's ability to communicate and execute against what the opponents defense is presenting. Of course, that type of continuity requires 2nd contracts ...to allow rookies to get coached up (unless they arrive well coached but college and pro play readiness haven't meshed recently.)

[obiken]

And your point is?

His point is River, before RW our offense sucked, after we were winners, now its going to suck again.

[tarlhawk]

His point is River, before RW our offense sucked, after we were winners, now its going to suck again.

Looking bleak indeed.

[RiverDog]

And your point is?

These info posts need a point? This shows the year by year results for comparison while contrasting offensive balance...improvement since the arrival of Russell Wilson (Our QB play really picked up)...the impact of losing Marshawn Lynch from our rushing attack...even the year (2017) where RW himself led our anemic rushing options (which was also the year we gambled poorly on adding RB Eddie Lacy)

Using these stat comparisons invites whatever thoughts (focusing on our offense) can be gathered...your question seems rather brash?

I didn't mean to appear brash, but as a rule, when someone posts a list of stats, they're usually using them in support of an argument of theirs, such as you talked about in your 2nd sentence. I simply didn't know if you had a purpose or not, and that was as polite of a way to ask that I could think of.

[tarlhawk]

Since "spread sheet" type posts don't show well...I wrote the line by line stats first then went back to the top to give some banter...but the writing above seemed to push out the stat lines below so I stopped the original planned banter while trying to polish up the stat lines in an edit re-do. I spent a lot of time gathering it only to realize the "spread sheet need" added some frustration to keep it from looking garbled.

[Aseahawkfan]

We all know the talent drives the numbers on offense and defense. So we'll take a step back for a short while, then find a QB as we always seem to do, and then get back on track.

Pete's scheme and offensive philosophy I don't worry about. It's the talent to run it I worry about. Talent trumps everything as long as your scheme is fundamentally sound.

[RiverDog]

Since "spread sheet" type posts don't show well...I wrote the line by line stats first then went back to the top to give some banter...but the writing above seemed to push out the stat lines below so I stopped the original planned banter while trying to polish up the stat lines in an edit re-do. I spent a lot of time gathering it only to realize the "spread sheet need" added some frustration to keep it from looking garbled.

Ahh, I see now. Yes, the formatting in this forum can be difficult. I've tried to get around it by putting stuff on a PDF file or a Word document, but it won't let you upload it as an attachment.

[tarlhawk]

[quote="NorthHawk"]The stat that isn't shown is broken tackles and Lynch had over 100 each year. One year he had around 120 and the nearest RB had in the 80s.

You bring up a valid point concerning Lynch which is why you should feel a little assured of our running potential...both Penny and our newest drafted runner have very strong yardage after contact due to both having burst and size to create poor tackling angles when contact is made...Kenneth Walker III led the college nation in broken tackles and both he and Penny (2017) in their final college year had 4+ yards after contact which is "rarefied" air for a running back.

Our newest tackles may not get "nasty" with their hands in the dirt to dominate that style of run blocking...but while learning they still have the athleticism to reach and "seal off" their intended blocking target...Walker and Penny can "get skinny" and explode into space so even decent (not best) effort should "spring" them loose. High reps and blooming confidence has the potential to make them "beasts" of their own. The tackles also should be more effective at springing fly sweeps from Eskridge or even Bo Melton...making our rushing threat an outside threat as well as the "A Gaps" between the tackles. Our new center Austin Blythe has the athleticism and technique to get to the "second level" (LB territory).

[NorthHawk]

I like the Walker pick. As you know I think they should have taken the best RB on the board in previous drafts.
But the OL and especially the Tackles is again in flux and if both rookies start on the ends, they will need help from the TE's as it's a whole different world
in the NFL from college let alone from an Offense that only ran the ball 22% of the time. Lucas might have a better go of it as they ran it 45% of the time
but it's still a steep learning curve for any rookie OT. And that's not even talking about the players they will face. It's a long list of All Pro and Pro Bowl
players coming at them play after play, game after game this year. I hope it doesn't destroy their confidence or even worse they panic and start moving
players around like they have in the past.

[tarlhawk]

Saw some talk about Ray Roberts and his take on our O-Line. He feels in an effort to build more multi-positional skills...ie moving them from OT to G to C (or any other positional side LG to RG/LT to RT) you have a cheaper team that can fill in for injuries but your players develop as good back-ups...where if allowed to play one position/ one side from draft to contract year...you are allowing the player to become his best. This bit of insight makes the selections of Cross and Lucas very nice as Cross is seen as an excellent LT and has played it with a lot of collegiate reps...he has the skill set to sharpen his skills as he gains experience and sound coaching. The same can be said for Abraham Lucas who played a lot of reps at RT and has similar pass pro skills.

[Aseahawkfan]

If even one of these tackles turns into a competent starter, I'll be happy. If a pro bowler, I'll be really happy. Don't expect both of them to work out as that rarely happens, but at least the first round pick should work out.

[Hawktawk]

His point is River, before RW our offense sucked, after we were winners, now its going to suck again.

Looking bleak indeed.[/quote]
Our offense sucked last year. Russ completed 42% on 3rd and 4th down. We went 0-5 in 3 point games, lost to 3 backups. It will be less bleak than this year year was next season whoever the qb because its gonna be run the offense, not the scramble drill. mark my words. As for all the complaints about our offense our best seasons all featured a powerful running attack with either Lynch or Carson. Russell's 2017 stats rank as some of the more remarkable in league history I will say. I believe he accounted for all but 1 offensive TD either with his arm or feet. That year he carried the team.

[Aseahawkfan]

ur offense sucked last year. Russ completed 42% on 3rd and 4th down. We went 0-5 in 3 point games, lost to 3 backups. It will be less bleak than this year year was next season whoever the qb because its gonna be run the offense, not the scramble drill. mark my words. As for all the complaints about our offense our best seasons all featured a powerful running attack with either Lynch or Carson. Russell's 2017 stats rank as some of the more remarkable in league history I will say. I believe he accounted for all but 1 offensive TD either with his arm or feet. That year he carried the team.

No. It won't be better. Those six games Penny ran crazy were all with Russel Wilson at QB as he was just getting back to form. Russ matched Geno's entire stat line in the Detroit game. Russell's success and Penny's success were tied together. Because when an opponent has to defend an elite QB like Russell Wilson, they can't focus on stuffing he run. Won't be the case with Geno or Lock and they can focus on stuffing Penny and watching Lock and Geno beat themselves.

You're gonna get a big wake up call next year, Hawktawk. A really big wake up call as we go back to a team with no elite franchise QB.

Just like you try to cherry pick Russ's bad stats, you ignore the good ones like we went 4-2 at the end of the season as Russell got healthy and Penny ran wild with Russell doing well, not Geno. Russell is still an elite QB. If you put a decent team around him, he'll put up numbers and get you to the playoffs. No one prepares harder than Russ in this league.

If Denver has an even halfway decent team around Russ, he'll make them shine while you're watching full boxes against Penny and Geno and Lock not scaring a single defense to back off.

Your wake up call is coming in September. You'll see it early. You're about to experience the pain of a return to 7-9 or worse.

[Hawktawk]

ur offense sucked last year. Russ completed 42% on 3rd and 4th down. We went 0-5 in 3 point games, lost to 3 backups. It will be less bleak than this year year was next season whoever the qb because its gonna be run the offense, not the scramble drill. mark my words. As for all the complaints about our offense our best seasons all featured a powerful running attack with either Lynch or Carson. Russell's 2017 stats rank as some of the more remarkable in league history I will say. I believe he accounted for all but 1 offensive TD either with his arm or feet. That year he carried the team.

No. It won't be better. Those six games Penny ran crazy were all with Russel Wilson at QB as he was just getting back to form. Russ matched Geno's entire stat line in the Detroit game. Russell's success and Penny's success were tied together. Because when an opponent has to defend an elite QB like Russell Wilson, they can't focus on stuffing he run. Won't be the case with Geno or Lock and they can focus on stuffing Penny and watching Lock and Geno beat themselves.

You're gonna get a big wake up call next year, Hawktawk. A really big wake up call as we go back to a team with no elite franchise QB.

Just like you try to cherry pick Russ's bad stats, you ignore the good ones like we went 4-2 at the end of the season as Russell got healthy and Penny ran wild with Russell doing well, not Geno. Russell is still an elite QB. If you put a decent team around him, he'll put up numbers and get you to the playoffs. No one prepares harder than Russ in this league.

If Denver has an even halfway decent team around Russ, he'll make them shine while you're watching full boxes against Penny and Geno and Lock not scaring a single defense to back off.

Your wake up call is coming in September. You'll see it early. You're about to experience the pain of a return to 7-9 or worse.

Well you sound like you want to be right about all this. I want you to be wrong. What would be more fun?

And spare me the lectures I was a fan when you were on mamas knee. My educated opinion is we started losing our franchise QB a while ago but we didn't lose his ego or petulant behavior. I think we will be better offensively next year with a less dynamic but more on schedule QB loaded with skill position superstars. the offense Russ hates got Jarred Goff to a super bowl and he was hurt when Russ had that awesome game vs Detroit making him 1-3 vs backups on the season..


And you are delusional about Russ helping Penney. Haynes helped Penney. AP helped him. Being named the starter helped the most. Penney helped Russ and if you're telling me 350 yards in 2 games was because of Russ ROFLMAO. Yeah Russ looked great against Detroit like Geno looked great vs Jax but Russ looking great against a terrible team is for reals and Geno against a bad team is for reals also....NOT. Got you. and remember in his last game in the rag Russ handed 14 quick points to the opposition with a bad throw and a terrible pre snap error identifying the defense. So good luck Nathanial Hackett. You didn't get Arod and you will find it out quickly.
You can stop with the lectures. Sept 12 will be here soon enough. then we can assess.