Russell Wilson trade results thus far

[tarlhawk]

On the loss column...a well loved potential(closest to a Sure Thing) Hall of Fame QB who gave Seattle it's only Lombardi Trophy...Superbowl 2013. Losing Russell Wilson created a ton of speculation some good but the majority bad. In return for losing him two years early we packaged a 4th round 2022 pick with him to the Denver Broncos for the following:

1) Drew Lock QB(Denver's 2019 2nd rd selection who they had given up on)

2) Noah Fant TE(same 2019 draft but a 1rst rd selection)

3) Shelby Harris DT

4) Charles Cross LT(using Denver's traded 1rst rd selection)

5) Boye Mafe Edge(using Denver's traded 2nd rd selection)

6) Tyreke Smith Edge (using Denver's 5th rd selection *traded to Chiefs for their 5th and 7th*)

7) Dareke Young WR

8) 2023 1rst rd Draft Selection

9) 2023 2nd rd Draft Selection

10) Extra Cap Money in 2023

We'll miss Russell Wilson but he has now transformed our near and far future just as he transformed our past 10 years while we had him.

[RiverDog]

It will be several years before we can fully evaluate this trade, but it has the potential to be a Herschel Walker type trade that the Cowboys pulled off in the 90's.

There's some other factors out there as well. Would Russell have signed an extension or was the relationship irrevocably damaged? If we would have resigned him, how big of a contract would we have offered? Would we have had to use the franchise tag on him?

If it is a given that Russell would not have resigned, which I think is likely, then we made the right call to pull the trigger on this trade.

[Hawktawk]

It will be several years before we can fully evaluate this trade, but it has the potential to be a Herschel Walker type trade that the Cowboys pulled off in the 90's.

There's some other factors out there as well. Would Russell have signed an extension or was the relationship irrevocably damaged? If we would have resigned him, how big of a contract would we have offered? Would we have had to use the franchise tag on him?

If it is a given that Russell would not have resigned, which I think is likely, then we made the right call to pull the trigger on this trade.

We were a year late but better late than never . We swindled Denver

[RiverDog]

We were a year late but better late than never . We swindled Denver

We don't know that we swindled Denver. As in all transactions, draft picks, and hires, the proof will be in the pudding. We'll have to wait at least a couple of years before we can evaluate this trade. If Russell and the Broncos win a couple of Lombardi's and we end up being the west coast version of the Detroit Lions, they'll be wondering WTF we were thinking when we traded him.

[Hawktawk]

My view is russels prime is gone hence we swindled them. We will have an immediate gauge of what the reality is. If Denver isn’t a playoff team at least next year we swindled them. If he wins 2 Lombardis crow all around . I’m betting first case scenario . MNF will be fascinating .

[RiverDog]

My view is russels prime is gone hence we swindled them. We will have an immediate gauge of what the reality is. If Denver isn’t a playoff team at least next year we swindled them. If he wins 2 Lombardis crow all around . I’m betting first case scenario . MNF will be fascinating

It's likely going to take a little more than a season for us to determine who swindled who. Heck, we can't even say for sure that we got swindled on the Jamal Adams trade as he's still very much a part of our team, and that was going on 3 years ago.

[NorthHawk]

I'm going to say we got swindled in the Jamal Adams trade.
They STILL haven't found a role for him.
A masters class by the Jets GM in how to take an unwanted asset and turn it into high draft picks.
One for the textbooks.

[RiverDog]

I'm going to say we got swindled in the Jamal Adams trade. They STILL haven't found a role for him. A masters class by the Jets GM in how to take an unwanted asset and turn it into high draft picks.

One for the textbooks.

I agree, and if I were to assign odds, I would give them at 95% or better that it ends up being a complete bust of a trade. But it's not over until it's over.

[Hawktawk]

I don’t recall the complaints when he had 9.5 sacks his first year . Last year he was out of position and out of control the first part of the year but settling in just before hurt again . It’s kinda like Wilson . It’s done , no sense beating a dead horse . In his case turn it to our advantage which I believe we have done it as best as we possibly could other than do it last year wich would have been devastating to the team from a PR standpoint . In the case of Adams we own him . He’s bought , paid for and under contract . Hurtt is drooling at the possibilities . So am I for our entire defense which I believe will be the most improved unit next season . My biggest question is injuries with him at this point . Send him after you know who week one I don’t expect an explosive style of offense but one that moves chains and changes field position more consistently . It’s a winning formula . Better than watching us launch moon balls and lose .

[Aseahawkfan]

Depending on how Denver does will decide how good the compensation was. If we pick top 10 again next year with Denver's pick, then I'll feel adequately compensated.

As much as I talk about head coaches not going back to the Super Bowl, QBs don't usually go back either or at least not win.

I'm off the mind if we're starting over at QB, might as well start over at HC too. I imagine that will happen in time.

Hopefully the draft capital is converted into quality players to build around.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don’t recall the complaints when he had 9.5 sacks his first year . Last year he was out of position and out of control the first part of the year but settling in just before hurt again . It’s kinda like Wilson . It’s done , no sense beating a dead horse . In his case turn it to our advantage which I believe we have done it as best as we possibly could other than do it last year wich would have been devastating to the team from a PR standpoint . In the case of Adams we own him . He’s bought , paid for and under contract . Hurtt is drooling at the possibilities . So am I for our entire defense which I believe will be the most improved unit next season . My biggest question is injuries with him at this point . Send him after you know who week one I don’t expect an explosive style of offense but one that moves chains and changes field position more consistently . It’s a winning formula . Better than watching us launch moon balls and lose .

I never cared about Adams sacks. I honestly didn't know much about him until he played. I thought we were getting a cover safety. When I found out we traded two first round picks for a gimmick pass rushing strong safety, I wasn't too happy.

I don't want a safety who can rush the QB or who has to because our D-line pass rushers suck. I want a safety who can cover. Safeties are there to back up the pass defense and a strong safety provides some run support if your backers can't seem to handle the tackling or a guy gets through. But the primary job of a safety is not to rush the passer or tackle RBs, it's to support the pass defense.

So far Jamal Adams is not proving to be a great pass defending safety. I hope that changes.

Safeties get ground up mixing it up with the big boys on the front seven. It's a recipe for a short career.

[NorthHawk]

I can imagine Pete was like a dog chasing a car.
Once he got it, he didn’t know what to do with it.
And so here we are in the third year of Adams who is getting beat up trying to be physical and who
has poor ball skills trying to find a definitive role.

[Hawktawk]

Maybe why he’s had shoulder injuries 2 years in a row . To my eye he had started playing better , had 2 picks then hurt again . Who knows just like lots of other players .

[RiverDog]

Maybe why he’s had shoulder injuries 2 years in a row . To my eye he had started playing better , had 2 picks then hurt again . Who knows just like lots of other players .

In his time with the Seahawks, Adams has had more surgeries than he's had interceptions. That tells you just how bad this trade has been.

I said at the time when we pulled the trigger on this trade that it better work out as if it didn't, I was off Pete's bandwagon. Well, it's the 11th hour of this deal, and it doesn't look good.

[Aseahawkfan]

In his time with the Seahawks, Adams has had more surgeries than he's had interceptions. That tells you just how bad this trade has been.

I said at the time when we pulled the trigger on this trade that it better work out as if it didn't, I was off Pete's bandwagon. Well, it's the 11th hour of this deal, and it doesn't look good.

When you send a safety into the scrum, he's going to get beat up. That's why I hope next year the D-line is good enough to use him off the line and in cover or that middle area Kam used to patrol.

DBs and safeties should not be relied for primary run support or pass rushing. They just get killed. Them boys are too big. Even Kam as big as he was shortened his career being too physical with the big boys.

[Hawktawk]

I’m not defending the trade at all . I’m saying he’s bought and paid for and whatever he brings is bonus money at the point . I think Asea had an excellent point about getting a safety in the trenches and getting them hurt . At the same time Adams is so damn violent and arm tackling people at weird angles and stuff he’s just hard on his body . I forget the opponent but I saw him hip roll an offensive lineman with one arm last year , incredible explosion . Injury free he will be huge next year just like Penney and lots of guys

[tarlhawk]

Our excellent draft only added to the immediate results of the players we got in return. Everyone says RW should have brought 3 1rst rd picks...but 2 1rst rd picks and Noah Fant (Denver's 2019 1rst rd selection) alone is the equivalent of 3 1rst rd picks and Fant delivers as a proven "beast" with upside ...vice the *uncertainty till proven* of a projected 1rst rd Draft Selection's impact. All the "rest" of John Schneider's "haul" (Drew Lock (Denver's 2nd rd 2019 draft selection) /Shelby Harris/2nd rd draft picks *2022 and 2023*) and the salary cap impact beginning in 2023...reflections of solid GM delivery and Denver's need of another team's elite QB.

[RiverDog]

Our excellent draft only added to the immediate results of the players we got in return. Everyone says RW should have brought 3 1rst rd picks...but 2 1rst rd picks and Noah Fant (Denver's 2019 1rst rd selection) alone is the equivalent of 3 1rst rd picks and Fant delivers as a proven "beast" with upside ...vice the *uncertainty till proven* of a projected 1rst rd Draft Selection's impact. All the "rest" of John Schneider's "haul" (Drew Lock (Denver's 2nd rd 2019 draft selection) /Shelby Harris/2nd rd draft picks *2022 and 2023*) and the salary cap impact beginning in 2023...reflections of solid GM delivery and Denver's need of another team's elite QB.

You also have to consider that the 2021 picks we got were in the top 1/3 of the first and second rounds. You never heard me complaining saying that we should have gotten 3-#1's. I am very satisfied with our side of the deal.

[tarlhawk]

Actually it wasn't in response to any complainers...I've seen various sites where posters lament how we could've held out for three 1rst rd Picks...and I realized Noah Fant was a 2019 1rst rd pick of the Broncos and Drew Lock from the same draft was a 2nd rd selection...so virtually (3) 1rst rd selections and (3) 2nd rd selections for RW as well as Shelby Harris and a 2022 5th rd pick for our own 2022 4th rd pick.

[RiverDog]

Actually it wasn't in response to any complainers...I've seen various sites where posters lament how we could've held out for three 1rst rd Picks...and I realized Noah Fant was a 2019 1rst rd pick of the Broncos and Drew Lock from the same draft was a 2nd rd selection...so virtually (3) 1rst rd selections and (3) 2nd rd selections for RW as well as Shelby Harris and a 2022 5th rd pick for our own 2022 4th rd pick.

The other thing to keep in mind is that we couldn't trade Russell anywhere we wanted. The fact that he had a no trade clause severely limited the teams we could bargain with, which reduced our leverage. We couldn't play one team's offer against another's.

[Hawktawk]

I was talking about pulling the plug a year ago and taking the bears deal which was reportedly 3 firsts and rumored to be Kalil Mack. My guess is Pete and John understood trading Russ off a12-4 season would have been political suicide barring a super bowl run . This feels better in hindsight . The fans and organization were able to see clearly it was time . I saw a field gulls poll that had trading Wilson as the second best offseason move so it’s not just me .

[RiverDog]

I was talking about pulling the plug a year ago and taking the bears deal which was reportedly 3 firsts and rumored to be Kalil Mack. My guess is Pete and John understood trading Russ off a12-4 season would have been political suicide barring a super bowl run . This feels better in hindsight . The fans and organization were able to see clearly it was time . I saw a field gulls poll that had trading Wilson as the second best offseason move so it’s not just me .

It's not just you in this forum, either, that felt that trading Russell was a good move given the circumstances.

If it was a given that he was not going to sign an extension, and I feel that it was, then it was a smart move to trade him when we could get such a big haul of picks and players to rebuild the franchise with. I did not see us breaking out of the mediocrity that we've been mired in over the past 7 years by simply maintaining the status quo. Either Pete or Russell had to go. But I remain unconvinced that Pete is the coach that can rebuild this franchise. He's going to have to re-invent himself.

And I agree that there are legitimate questions about Russell's level of play. He has not made a good adjustment to his naturally diminishing skills, in particular, his mobility and escapability. He holds onto the ball too long, won't throw over the middle, looks too much for the long ball, and as a consequence, his third down completion percentage has suffered. But I don't think it is a problem that he can't correct.

[Hawktawk]

I think it is his style of play now and it’s as much between his ears as his physical skills . Pete doesn’t need to reinvent himself either . Who Pete is won a super bowl and 2 natties went to 3 and led 3 nfl franchises to postseason berths .

Pete has earned another year , in particular learning what we know about little dictator and his agent screwing around with the franchise , demanding control over the offense ,refusing to run it , freelancing his way into game ending sacks then arguing when Pete finally started pointing it out . Making public comments about the coaching , personell. He’s earned a year not to have to put up with that .then we see .

[Aseahawkfan]

It's not just you in this forum, either, that felt that trading Russell was a good move given the circumstances.

If it was a given that he was not going to sign an extension, and I feel that it was, then it was a smart move to trade him when we could get such a big haul of picks and players to rebuild the franchise with. I did not see us breaking out of the mediocrity that we've been mired in over the past 7 years by simply maintaining the status quo. Either Pete or Russell had to go. But I remain unconvinced that Pete is the coach that can rebuild this franchise. He's going to have to re-invent himself.

And I agree that there are legitimate questions about Russell's level of play. He has not made a good adjustment to his naturally diminishing skills, in particular, his mobility and escapability. He holds onto the ball too long, won't throw over the middle, looks too much for the long ball, and as a consequence, his third down completion percentage has suffered. But I don't think it is a problem that he can't correct.

I don't know how you tell this during an injury year.

I don't understand Seattle fan QB expectations. They've never had a QB perform better than Russ. Even in 2020 when he went 12 and 4 and threw for 40 TDs, I don't know how Seattle fans can see that as a bad year.

It's one of the strangest viewpoints I've seen that I think is really going to get a reality check soon. We went years never having a QB perform even as well as Russ looking jealously at other teams with other QBs or trying to prop up guys like Matt Hass or Dave Krieg as good enough. But we get a real bonafide elite QB and all we can think to do is tear at him and his legacy. Then act like we'll be able to maintain some kind of high level playoff caliber play without an elite QB even though no team has done this. We point to one off Super Bowls as the example of the ability of a team to compete without a great QB when that is exceedingly rare.

Out of the last ten Super Bowls, only the Eagles would really count as not having a bonafide starting caliber QB with a Super Bowl win. After they won that Super Bowl, then went to 9-7 seasons and fell off a cliff never within sniffing distance of a Super Bowl.

If you were to go the last 20 years of Super Bowl history, maybe only Tampa Bay and the Ravens didn't have a bonafide starting QB. Both Tampa Bay and Baltimore had two of the most elite defenses in NFL history and Tampa Bay had the perfect set up for a win with the head coach having the playbook for the Raiders.

I'm still very unsure why Pete and John think trading away the franchise QB was a good idea. I don't know why Seattle fans think the Philadelphia Eagles win with Nick Foles is the model to follow for our next Super Bowl.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

[Hawktawk]

The decline began before the injury . The extra curricular bs little dictator stuff has gone on longer . 6 wins Holmes and don’t start with injury . He said he was FINE to take over following the backups terrible performance vs JAx.
That was then , this is now . Can’t wait to see little Russell in orange here . Safety orange

[RiverDog]

I don't know how you tell this during an injury year.

I don't understand Seattle fan QB expectations. They've never had a QB perform better than Russ. Even in 2020 when he went 12 and 4 and threw for 40 TDs, I don't know how Seattle fans can see that as a bad year.

It's one of the strangest viewpoints I've seen that I think is really going to get a reality check soon. We went years never having a QB perform even as well as Russ looking jealously at other teams with other QBs or trying to prop up guys like Matt Hass or Dave Krieg as good enough. But we get a real bonafide elite QB and all we can think to do is tear at him and his legacy. Then act like we'll be able to maintain some kind of high level playoff caliber play without an elite QB even though no team has done this. We point to one off Super Bowls as the example of the ability of a team to compete without a great QB when that is exceedingly rare.

Out of the last ten Super Bowls, only the Eagles would really count as not having a bonafide starting caliber QB with a Super Bowl win. After they won that Super Bowl, then went to 9-7 seasons and fell off a cliff never within sniffing distance of a Super Bowl.

If you were to go the last 20 years of Super Bowl history, maybe only Tampa Bay and the Ravens didn't have a bonafide starting QB. Both Tampa Bay and Baltimore had two of the most elite defenses in NFL history and Tampa Bay had the perfect set up for a win with the head coach having the playbook for the Raiders.

I'm still very unsure why Pete and John think trading away the franchise QB was a good idea. I don't know why Seattle fans think the Philadelphia Eagles win with Nick Foles is the model to follow for our next Super Bowl.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

As Hawktalk said, Russell's problems were evident way before his injury. I've attended Seahawk games in person over these past 7 years, and it's very evident that he's not taking what defenses are giving him, opting for lower percentage passes rather than short to midrange targets. He refuses to throw over the middle, wanting to work the sidelines instead. His 3rd down completion percentage this season was horrible before the Packers game. I had even started a thread about it: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4040 It was one of the primary causes of our league worst time of possession.

In 2020, he held onto the ball longer than any other quarterback that was not at least 6 years younger than he is. He used to be able to get away with it when he was younger, but at 33 years old, he's lost a step.

At the same time, I would have rather seen us keep him and let Pete go. It's easier to replace the head coach than it is a franchise quarterback. Like I said, I do not view Russell's problems as incurable, that given the right coaching and personnel, that he can adjust his game and correct the deficiencies I noted above. He's going to have to do that if he's going to be successful in Denver, especially given the quality of pass rushers he'll be facing in the AFC West.

[Hawktawk]

“ it’s easier to replace a coach than a franchise QB” a HOF coach or a fading no longer franchise QB?

This is the disconnect with so many in the league , fans, talking heads . Russ is not clutch anymore . Russ avoids the middle of the field . He runs into sacks . Holds the ball . Tries to win with haymakers instead of taking what’s there .

River these are your words . Does this describe a franchise QB ?
The answer is obvious . No .

As recently as 3 years ago I would not have traded Russ for antyone or anything . That’s for the record Asea . That was then and this is now . It’s part of my optimism . We went 0-5 in 3 point or less games with a non franchise Qb with a franchise diva attitude and paycheck who was interfering with the coach doing his job . Let’s just see what happens . In Seattle and also Denver . We will know soon .

[RiverDog]

“ it’s easier to replace a coach than a franchise QB” a HOF coach or a fading no longer franchise QB?

The coach.

River these are your words . Does this describe a franchise QB ?
The answer is obvious . No .

As recently as 3 years ago I would not have traded Russ for antyone or anything . That’s for the record Asea . That was then and this is now . It’s part of my optimism . We went 0-5 in 3 point or less games with a non franchise Qb with a franchise diva attitude and paycheck who was interfering with the coach doing his job . Let’s just see what happens . In Seattle and also Denver . We will know soon .

And to complete my quote, I stated that I felt that Russell's problems are fixable, but that it would likely require a different coaching staff.

[Hawktawk]

Russ can’t correct his game at this point either . He’s always been off schedule but as he said he’s getting hit too much and it’s how he plays , risk averse , sees the rush instead of the field , makes horrible situational football decisions that lose games in the end .

This ain’t getting better at 33 when his HOF coach simply suggested he wished he could have changed field position vs Tennessee, shouldn’t take a rookie sack vs Chicago and he argued in a snide tone defending those decisions . His decision to lie about his injury status to write his Brett Favre story screwed Pete, Geno , the entire team and the fan base . Yeah he brought the best of times , best QB we ever had but I never saw a guy go out the door like this in my 45 plus years as a fan
Good Luck mr rookie head coach who got hired thinking he was gonna call plays for Arod . If he pulls this off and fixes Russ he’s a hell of a coach cause I don’t think Russ is fixable / you have to be coachable first.

[RiverDog]

Russ can’t correct his game at this point either . He’s always been off schedule but as he said he’s getting hit too much and it’s how he plays , risk averse , sees the rush instead of the field , makes horrible situational football decisions that lose games in the end.

You don't know that anymore than anyone knows if Pete can turn this thing around.

[Hawktawk]

Russ can’t correct his game at this point either . He’s always been off schedule but as he said he’s getting hit too much and it’s how he plays , risk averse , sees the rush instead of the field , makes horrible situational football decisions that lose games in the end.


You don't know that anymore than anyone knows if Pete can turn this thing around.

I can think of one HOF QB who got the jitters from getting hit too much and recovered. Kurt Warner.

And again to "fix it" you must be coachable. Russ hasn't been for years, especially the last 2. I recall at least 3 post game spats with PC last season who had babied him for 10 years who CORRECTLY pointed out mistakes Russ had made that cost us ballgames.

How you gonna fix that guy with a rookie head coach who made his living "coaching " Aaron Rodgers who didn't need a lot of coaching ? Kinda like all Brady's OCs who went out and fell flat.Russ is gonna write the game plan now . Good luck with that

I don't absolutely know anything about what will happen here or in Denver, with Russells game etc. That's why they play the games.But Im making an educated guess based on film study, watching the dynamic between Russ and this team unfold and the depths of the utter dysfunction, "checked out", personnel, a new head coach in his first gig on the road vs his "franchise" QBs old team.

We will win more games than denver THIS YEAR. Russ will be getting booed within a year and a half.Max. No honeymoon in denver cause all hes done is cost them so far.He has to produce a playoff team at least THIS YEAR or hes toast.

[c_hawkbob]

I don't buy that Russ has anything to have to come back from. He had one down year due to injury and by the end of last year he already looked all the way back. Russ is gonna be right back in the MVP conversation in Denver.

[Aseahawkfan]

As Hawktalk said, Russell's problems were evident way before his injury. I've attended Seahawk games in person over these past 7 years, and it's very evident that he's not taking what defenses are giving him, opting for lower percentage passes rather than short to midrange targets. He refuses to throw over the middle, wanting to work the sidelines instead. His 3rd down completion percentage this season was horrible before the Packers game. I had even started a thread about it: http://www.hawkshack.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4040 It was one of the primary causes of our league worst time of possession.

In 2020, he held onto the ball longer than any other quarterback that was not at least 6 years younger than he is. He used to be able to get away with it when he was younger, but at 33 years old, he's lost a step.

At the same time, I would have rather seen us keep him and let Pete go. It's easier to replace the head coach than it is a franchise quarterback. Like I said, I do not view Russell's problems as incurable, that given the right coaching and personnel, that he can adjust his game and correct the deficiencies I noted above. He's going to have to do that if he's going to be successful in Denver, especially given the quality of pass rushers he'll be facing in the AFC West.

I'll ask again.

How is 12 and 4 and 40 TDs the prior year a bad season? You probably won't see such a performance in Seattle for a decade if Pete and John don't find an equivalent quality QB.

How can you tell based on last year when Russ was injured and learning a new offense that somehow he had a problem? He had to learn Waldron's offense and he got injured. That slowed things down. We also didn't exactly have a great defense and the offense didn't much time on the field for Russ to adapt and adjust. Pete fired the OC he threw 40 TDs with before the start of the season and brought in Shane Waldron.

I'm still wondering how anyone besides Hawktawk looks at the Eagles as the model franchise for winning a Super Bowl.

Even if you seem to be buying into this idea you can just win the Super Bowl with some garbage QB like the Eagles, even though one team has done it in the past 10, almost 20 years. As a Seattle fan, you now believe the Eagles who won with Nick Foles are the model we should be following for team building?

I know hawktawk is blind like that, never expected you to be.

I'm seeing a bunch of excuses and total BS talk from hawktawk who obviously has some personal grudge against Wilson and is taking his down year as some example of his career trajectory because that's what he hopes happens.

Once again, I don't get it. I really don't get how you assess Russ's ability based on last year with him learning a new offense yet again and having to recover from an injury where the head coach let him play again way too soon. Pete makes that decision and hawktawk still blames Russ like Russ can force himself on the field over the head coach's decision.

It's all just ridiculous. I've seen people make excuses when players are learning a new offense and get injured, but apparently that doesn't apply to Russ.

It apples to Penny in Hawktawk's mind, but not Russ. I guess everyone on here down on Russ just expects such a high performance out of him that if he doesn't achieve or exceed his previous standards, suddenly he's losing his ability and Geno Smith starts looking like a better option.

Utterly ridiculous.

[Hawktawk]

If you have something to say Asea say it to me . Russell’s game went down the toilet in mid season 2020. His first half was torrid with the overwhelming majority of his Touchdowns. It was a lot like what we see now , lots of long bombs and deep outs and scramble drills . I personally advocated that he should be considered as a MVP candidate because that was then and this is now . But he got roughed up bad in Buffalo , some suspect he hid a concussion . Then came the first AZ game . 3 careless interceptions but one led to one of the greatest hustle plays in NFL history by DK , one of 2 Seahawks on the roster who can outrun Buhdda baker . But from that point on Russ threw 11 picks including a pick 6 in the playoff loss where he completed 11-29 , his worst ever playoff loss statistically . see Asea that was his whoop de do 40 TD season ending like that .,that’s not a good season . And 40 TDs is something that quite a few guys have done too .
And jaw on me all you want . I’ve been a fan since you were a twinkle in daddy’s eyes . I give credit when due , maybe too much . I rip bad play . I detest guys like Hutch that took the money and ran , that’s all
Over the league . Not just Seattle . Russ played bad at the end , wasn’t a team player , quit on the team including his hand BS which was 100 percent a narcissist selfish guy who wanted to be the big story and it screwed us all . I said it at the time . I hope he’s really ready , pulling for him . When I saw the results it was the end for me. But you go fan boy . Cheer a guy whose gone , build him up , defend his actions . You think I’m bad I have a Seahawks fan who works for me who has despised Russ since the pick in 49.
Don’t tell me how to feel .

[Hawktawk]

I don't buy that Russ has anything to have to come back from. He had one down year due to injury and by the end of last year he already looked all the way back. Russ is gonna be right back in the MVP conversation in Denver.

Penney was averaging 6.7 yards per carry during Russels revival . I agree Russ looked really good at times in that stretch . Pretty good most of it but let’s remember in his last ever game in the rag he failed to account for the fact that Chandler Joneswas unblocked pre snap , not accounted for . This was to his front side mind you . He still pulled down the ball and took a strip 6 . A series later he wheeled to the right and overthrew homer by a yard leading to another TD after a return to the foot line . But our garbage defense only gave up 16 in a 38 30 win . And Penney went for over 190 yards . Wanting out is one of the dumbest things Russ ever did . Trading him is one of the best things Seattle ever did, just like drafting and starting him was . Let’s see if he has a dominant run game in Denver . Oh wait he will
Request 4 wide

[c_hawkbob]

Do me a favor and, if you're going to quote me, quote me accurately. Please don't embellish my quote with your own add-ins, whether they be words or emojis.

As for your response, don't you ever get tired of repeating the same thing over and over? Anyone that didn't know better would think the only football games you've ever watched were those few in which your hero actually showed the potential justifying his draft status. I know that's not the case, I don't need your fan resume, I'm just sayin'.

[RiverDog]

Do me a favor and, if you're going to quote me, quote me accurately. Please don't embellish my quote with your own add-ins, whether they be words or emojis.

I've noticed the same thing, Hawktalk.

Here's a tip: If you click on the upper right hand part of a posters comment where a bar with red lettering entitled "quote", it automatically codes the poster's comments so that they appear separate from yours so long as you type in your comments after the /quote

If you don't want to reply to the entire post, you can delete the remarks you don't want to appear, as I did with CBob's post above, then manually type in, within open and close brackets, /quote to define the end of the quote and it will code it so that it shows the poster's comments as distinctly separate from yours.

Play around with it by editing your post and you'll see what I'm talking about. It will make your comments a lot more readable.

[Hawktawk]

Do me a favor and, if you're going to quote me, quote me accurately. Please don't embellish my quote with your own add-ins, whether they be words or emojis.

As for your response, don't you ever get tired of repeating the same thing over and over? Anyone that didn't know better would think the only football games you've ever watched were those few in which your hero actually showed the potential justifying his draft status. I know that's not the case, I don't need your fan resume, I'm just sayin'.

We all repeat ourselves Bob . I also quote stats (facts ) over and over to rebut what you say over and over . I feel Russ is slipping . You don’t . I think he was a Jackwagon on the way out , really the last 2 years . You don’t . Fine . I think
It’s obvious to anyone not hung up on a 4 year argument that Penney had the talent to be a first rounder .


Not sure what I embellished about you’re contention Russ was fine , looked great at seasons end . I freaking agreed , just put it in context of what the run game was doing at that time changing field position and scoring TDs . Also that he turned it over twice to Arizona in his “ great “ stretch of football in his last game here . All truth .

So enlighten me on where I embellished your comments . Using the word revival ?

[RiverDog]

Do me a favor and, if you're going to quote me, quote me accurately. Please don't embellish my quote with your own add-ins, whether they be words or emojis.

So enlighten me on where I embellished your comments . Using the word revival ?

I apologize to CBob for speaking for him, but you added two "very happy" emoji symbols at the end of his remarks. It appears as if he's the one that included them. He's making a very polite, reasonable request that you not misquote him. It's misinformation, attributing comments or expressions to him that he did not make. You've done the same thing to me and other posters, and it's not appreciated, at least not by the two of us.

Please take a look at my previous post if you're unsure how to separate your comments and expressions from those of other posters.

[c_hawkbob]

Do me a favor and, if you're going to quote me, quote me accurately. Please don't embellish my quote with your own add-ins, whether they be words or emojis.

So enlighten me on where I embellished your comments . Using the word revival ?

I apologize to CBob for speaking for him, but you added two "very happy" emoji symbols at the end of his remarks. It appears as if he's the one that included them. He's making a very polite, reasonable request that you not misquote him. It's misinformation, attributing comments or expressions to him that he did not make. You've done the same thing to me and other posters, and it's not appreciated, at least not by the two of us.

Please take a look at my previous post if you're unsure how to separate your comments and expressions from those of other posters.

What Riv said.